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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by jellya on Nov 14, 2009 17:34:42 GMT 1, I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him. So not a wall filler then!
Wow, I had no idea they were so small!! Still a nice item to have but at that size I'd be v v surprised if it goes as high as has been mentioned.
Anyone remember Mammal's ruse which had some people travelling up to grab one of these from a back shop near Waterloo?  ;D
I have a signed WSM that is inscribed with a heart and turf war written after it. Not dedicated to anyone personally and that has a full COA from Pest Control. These items are postcard size, Charlie (Pure Evil) has one in his shop dedicated to him. So not a wall filler then! Wow, I had no idea they were so small!! Still a nice item to have but at that size I'd be v v surprised if it goes as high as has been mentioned. Anyone remember Mammal's ruse which had some people travelling up to grab one of these from a back shop near Waterloo? ;D |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by jellya on Nov 14, 2009 17:39:42 GMT 1, 
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by BK83 on Nov 14, 2009 17:47:29 GMT 1, generally, items that are signed and dedicated go for considerably less than items that are just signed. Collectors prefer anonymity. And it is understandable -- who wants an item that is signed "Dear Steve, Thanks for your support blah blah blah" if your names not steve??? It's weird!
Banksy signed these pieces with dedication written on the artwork for precisely this reason. If he intended otherwise he would have written a seperate accompanying "thank you" note.
Think about it.
generally, items that are signed and dedicated go for considerably less than items that are just signed. Collectors prefer anonymity. And it is understandable -- who wants an item that is signed "Dear Steve, Thanks for your support blah blah blah" if your names not steve??? It's weird!
Banksy signed these pieces with dedication written on the artwork for precisely this reason. If he intended otherwise he would have written a seperate accompanying "thank you" note.
Think about it.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Simococo on Nov 14, 2009 18:58:11 GMT 1, as far as I am aware it's not a silkscreen. Thing is if you're a completionist and want a true complete collection of Banksy prints, you need to own this one. PC not authenticating it is a joke, and I think they will have to back track on this, gift or no gift, it's signed by the artist and is a work by him, you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate because of ethics and morals.
the reason pest control was set up was so banksy could pick and choose what he wanted to authenticate because of ethics and morals
as far as I am aware it's not a silkscreen. Thing is if you're a completionist and want a true complete collection of Banksy prints, you need to own this one. PC not authenticating it is a joke, and I think they will have to back track on this, gift or no gift, it's signed by the artist and is a work by him, you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate because of ethics and morals. the reason pest control was set up was so banksy could pick and choose what he wanted to authenticate because of ethics and morals |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Pattycakes on Nov 14, 2009 23:31:35 GMT 1, dynamixx you're wrong mate, it's a work by the artist he cannot choose not to authenticate it just because he gave it away.... whilst the street pieces are dubious and challenging their authenticity in court would be difficult with an "authentic" piece such as this that was gifted to someone, I feel there would be little PC could do if this came to court. The Warhol foundation are in seriously hot water at the moment for trying to manipulate the market for far less reliably authentic works.
dynamixx you're wrong mate, it's a work by the artist he cannot choose not to authenticate it just because he gave it away.... whilst the street pieces are dubious and challenging their authenticity in court would be difficult with an "authentic" piece such as this that was gifted to someone, I feel there would be little PC could do if this came to court. The Warhol foundation are in seriously hot water at the moment for trying to manipulate the market for far less reliably authentic works.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Wearology on Nov 14, 2009 23:41:29 GMT 1, There is only 1 person in the world that can authenticate a Keith Haring piece beyond a reasonable doubt and the Haring Foundation has purposely isolated him because they are afraid of the truth. He collaborated with Keith for a decade and knows what is legit and what is a good or bad fake. A lot of these foundations are more interested in authenticating a piece of art than to deem is not authentic. Once art and money share the same sand box corruption will mostly creep its ugly head.
There is only 1 person in the world that can authenticate a Keith Haring piece beyond a reasonable doubt and the Haring Foundation has purposely isolated him because they are afraid of the truth. He collaborated with Keith for a decade and knows what is legit and what is a good or bad fake. A lot of these foundations are more interested in authenticating a piece of art than to deem is not authentic. Once art and money share the same sand box corruption will mostly creep its ugly head.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by manty on Nov 15, 2009 0:12:07 GMT 1, dynamixx you're wrong mate, it's a work by the artist he cannot choose not to authenticate it just because he gave it away.... whilst the street pieces are dubious and challenging their authenticity in court would be difficult with an "authentic" piece such as this that was gifted to someone, I feel there would be little PC could do if this came to court. The Warhol foundation are in seriously hot water at the moment for trying to manipulate the market for far less reliably authentic works.
I'd like to think that Banksy can do what he likes, and i am sure he does.
couldnt really see a guy that has been gifted one of these taking him to court over it.
I suppose PC could just shut up shop and say a big f**k you to everyone trying it on if it did come to court.
Might be wrong though ;D
dynamixx you're wrong mate, it's a work by the artist he cannot choose not to authenticate it just because he gave it away.... whilst the street pieces are dubious and challenging their authenticity in court would be difficult with an "authentic" piece such as this that was gifted to someone, I feel there would be little PC could do if this came to court. The Warhol foundation are in seriously hot water at the moment for trying to manipulate the market for far less reliably authentic works. I'd like to think that Banksy can do what he likes, and i am sure he does. couldnt really see a guy that has been gifted one of these taking him to court over it. I suppose PC could just shut up shop and say a big f**k you to everyone trying it on if it did come to court. Might be wrong though ;D |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by lee3 on Nov 15, 2009 17:17:04 GMT 1, >>>this is a new phenomenon to the art market tho isn't it <<<
Artists have given works and or traded works with other artists for ages. 5 or 6 years ago I got a tour of a well known pop artist's house which had work from Warhol, Lichtenstein, Thiebaud, Wesselmann and hosts of others most of which he traded work of his own with the respective artists and others were gifts and or payments for other things. I asked a lot of questions about those works and learned that some couldn't be resold while others didn't care what anyone did. I have to presume that those that don't want it resold look at the gift or exchange as something far beyond a commodity and could well envision the same from the Cans event. That show was anything but about money.
>>>if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it.<<<
A fair point; however, I can well appreciate that if one gives a gift that they certainly aren't asking for more responsibility as the giver in the future. Artists at this level have to be careful when it come to authentication and many take steps that are unseen to the naked eye to prevent forgeries. Perhaps these were done as a genuine thanks but the artist didn't take whatever steps are customary in their circle to make the detection of fakes from authentic in any reasonable manner. There are countless scenarios one could envision as to why someone doesn't want these sold, not the least of which to me is that it goes against the spirit of the original event itself.
>>>this is a new phenomenon to the art market tho isn't it <<<
Artists have given works and or traded works with other artists for ages. 5 or 6 years ago I got a tour of a well known pop artist's house which had work from Warhol, Lichtenstein, Thiebaud, Wesselmann and hosts of others most of which he traded work of his own with the respective artists and others were gifts and or payments for other things. I asked a lot of questions about those works and learned that some couldn't be resold while others didn't care what anyone did. I have to presume that those that don't want it resold look at the gift or exchange as something far beyond a commodity and could well envision the same from the Cans event. That show was anything but about money.
>>>if I give someone a gift it doesn't come with conditions. If you give something to somebody they can do what they want with it.<<<
A fair point; however, I can well appreciate that if one gives a gift that they certainly aren't asking for more responsibility as the giver in the future. Artists at this level have to be careful when it come to authentication and many take steps that are unseen to the naked eye to prevent forgeries. Perhaps these were done as a genuine thanks but the artist didn't take whatever steps are customary in their circle to make the detection of fakes from authentic in any reasonable manner. There are countless scenarios one could envision as to why someone doesn't want these sold, not the least of which to me is that it goes against the spirit of the original event itself.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Agent Provocateur on Nov 15, 2009 20:01:52 GMT 1, Very interesting Lee... in my posts I was just interested in this phenomenon of artists gifts and the resale issues. Your information on other well established artists having a range of views on gifts, free to do with as you like and also not for resale, does show my ignorance but definitely helps me understand that this is pretty normal.
Very interesting Lee... in my posts I was just interested in this phenomenon of artists gifts and the resale issues. Your information on other well established artists having a range of views on gifts, free to do with as you like and also not for resale, does show my ignorance but definitely helps me understand that this is pretty normal.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by boatboy on Nov 18, 2009 16:08:47 GMT 1, Removed from auction.
Removed from auction.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by neale on Nov 20, 2009 17:21:37 GMT 1, withdrawn from the sale!!
withdrawn from the sale!!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Pattycakes on Nov 20, 2009 19:58:05 GMT 1, Pathetic, in my opinion Pest Control need to serisouly re-evaluate what they are doing - and if I was the consignor I'd get my lawyer involved.
Pathetic, in my opinion Pest Control need to serisouly re-evaluate what they are doing - and if I was the consignor I'd get my lawyer involved.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by manty on Nov 20, 2009 20:25:45 GMT 1, Pathetic, in my opinion Pest Control need to serisouly re-evaluate what they are doing - and if I was the consignor I'd get my lawyer involved.
Would you seriously do that?
So banksy signs a postcard and gives it to someone that helped him out, this guy then tries to sell it in an auction, banksys agents wont authenticate it, possibly due to the fact it isnt an edition or an original but a little keepsake that in truth could probably be copied in the millions as there is no control over it.
Would banksy be expected to know or keep a copy of everyone he has signed and given these little thank you gifts to ?
I think if one of these were authenicated thousands would suddenly enter the market, of which only a few would be genuine, and then authenicating them would be fun
Just my novice thoughts on this
Pathetic, in my opinion Pest Control need to serisouly re-evaluate what they are doing - and if I was the consignor I'd get my lawyer involved. Would you seriously do that? So banksy signs a postcard and gives it to someone that helped him out, this guy then tries to sell it in an auction, banksys agents wont authenticate it, possibly due to the fact it isnt an edition or an original but a little keepsake that in truth could probably be copied in the millions as there is no control over it. Would banksy be expected to know or keep a copy of everyone he has signed and given these little thank you gifts to ? I think if one of these were authenicated thousands would suddenly enter the market, of which only a few would be genuine, and then authenicating them would be fun Just my novice thoughts on this |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by mose on Nov 20, 2009 22:40:17 GMT 1, you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate
Yes you can and you should.
you cannot pick and choose what you want to authenticate Yes you can and you should. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by ricardob on Nov 20, 2009 23:34:21 GMT 1, How about Diface notes? Street pieces? Yeah, let's authenticate everything.
Come on folks, the artist have the choice to do whatever is right for him. He doesn't need to keep track of every single piece of paper he signs. If Banksy sign a cheque, would you sell it as art?
I am happy most of us do not know his id.
How about Diface notes? Street pieces? Yeah, let's authenticate everything.
Come on folks, the artist have the choice to do whatever is right for him. He doesn't need to keep track of every single piece of paper he signs. If Banksy sign a cheque, would you sell it as art?
I am happy most of us do not know his id.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 29, 2009 16:20:29 GMT 1, ok I managed to get hold of one of these but due to circumstances I have to sell it.
Im in no immediate rush to sell so no silly offers.
here is a photo. the print is dedicated to someone but i have photoshopped the name out.
as you know pow wont issue coa (as these were originally gifts) for it but i havnt tried. we know its by banksy and i have the covering letter from the original owner.
I want mainly cash but I will accept part trade.
Ideally I want cash and another banksy to replace it. I have always wanted a Very Little Helps. I am only interested in signed banksys and maybe a nick walker empire state.
You will most likely never be able to get hold of one of these.
and if I manage to sort out a few things soon enough I will be keeping this, as this is the last thing I want to do.
Take care.
ok I managed to get hold of one of these but due to circumstances I have to sell it.
Im in no immediate rush to sell so no silly offers.
here is a photo. the print is dedicated to someone but i have photoshopped the name out.
as you know pow wont issue coa (as these were originally gifts) for it but i havnt tried. we know its by banksy and i have the covering letter from the original owner.
I want mainly cash but I will accept part trade.
Ideally I want cash and another banksy to replace it. I have always wanted a Very Little Helps. I am only interested in signed banksys and maybe a nick walker empire state.
You will most likely never be able to get hold of one of these.
and if I manage to sort out a few things soon enough I will be keeping this, as this is the last thing I want to do.
Take care.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Daniel Silk on Dec 29, 2009 16:31:26 GMT 1, I should think for people who are looking to complete a full collection of Banksy prints, this would be a very hard image to get hold of.
I should think for people who are looking to complete a full collection of Banksy prints, this would be a very hard image to get hold of.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Coach on Dec 29, 2009 16:33:30 GMT 1, Fantastic piece - if only I had the £££. Good luck with the sale.
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Ps, dont want to start an age old discussion, but would auction be better option?? I don't know.
Fantastic piece - if only I had the £££. Good luck with the sale.
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Ps, dont want to start an age old discussion, but would auction be better option?? I don't know.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 29, 2009 16:37:14 GMT 1, cheers coach, i havn't approached a auction but not sure if a auction will take it without coa. but i guess i could try contacting them.
Just to let people know its quite alot bigger then postcard size that someone mentioned in the other thread.
It honestly took me ages to even consider about selling this but im in a difficult situation as my euro millions ticket didnt come through.
cheers coach, i havn't approached a auction but not sure if a auction will take it without coa. but i guess i could try contacting them.
Just to let people know its quite alot bigger then postcard size that someone mentioned in the other thread.
It honestly took me ages to even consider about selling this but im in a difficult situation as my euro millions ticket didnt come through.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by silverfox on Dec 29, 2009 16:37:21 GMT 1, If it's dedicated to Dave, John or Kevin give me a shout.
If it's dedicated to Dave, John or Kevin give me a shout.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 29, 2009 16:39:38 GMT 1, Dedication didnt bother me at all, just being able to have one is amazing...makes it a bit more special.
Dedication didnt bother me at all, just being able to have one is amazing...makes it a bit more special.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Fragile on Dec 29, 2009 16:51:53 GMT 1, Very nice piece
Very nice piece
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by hops on Dec 29, 2009 17:04:17 GMT 1,
Best of luck with your holy grail sale!
Best of luck with your holy grail sale!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 29, 2009 17:10:32 GMT 1, ok
ok
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by eddiedangerous on Dec 29, 2009 17:13:31 GMT 1, hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc
with a pest control cert (which will never happen) easily 8k+
hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc
with a pest control cert (which will never happen) easily 8k+
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by schlomo on Dec 29, 2009 17:19:44 GMT 1, hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc with a pest control cert easily 8k+
no chance of a cert, have spoken with PC and POW about these and been told they will never get COA's.
Seems weird in my eyes, they are after all genuine and so should be given coa's from somewhere of other. Maybe Vermin?? haha.
Grant nice bed sheets, argos? mine are the same. May i ask what the green oddly latex looking thing is in there??? blow up martian lady by chance???
hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc with a pest control cert easily 8k+ no chance of a cert, have spoken with PC and POW about these and been told they will never get COA's. Seems weird in my eyes, they are after all genuine and so should be given coa's from somewhere of other. Maybe Vermin?? haha. Grant nice bed sheets, argos? mine are the same. May i ask what the green oddly latex looking thing is in there??? blow up martian lady by chance??? |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by mrtibbs on Dec 29, 2009 17:31:56 GMT 1, hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc with a pest control cert easily 8k+
No way! 2k would be my guess, maybe iloveart would say what he paid for it?
hazard a guess at 3.5 - 4 k due to resale issues and lack of number etc with a pest control cert easily 8k+ No way! 2k would be my guess, maybe iloveart would say what he paid for it? |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by hops on Dec 29, 2009 17:37:29 GMT 1,
Grant nice bed sheets, argos? mine are the same. May i ask what the green oddly latex looking thing is in there??? blow up martian lady by chance???
LOL
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Grant nice bed sheets, argos? mine are the same. May i ask what the green oddly latex looking thing is in there??? blow up martian lady by chance???
LOL
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 29, 2009 17:39:08 GMT 1, ok im just going to say this once as i dont want this thread to turn into another one of those that we have seen recently.
its nothing to do with anyone what i paid, it doesnt matter, obv your not intersted then its worth less. but i can certainly say if i offered it up for 2k it would be gone in a flash.
i will reply to all pm's later tonight as im going out soon.
ok im just going to say this once as i dont want this thread to turn into another one of those that we have seen recently.
its nothing to do with anyone what i paid, it doesnt matter, obv your not intersted then its worth less. but i can certainly say if i offered it up for 2k it would be gone in a flash.
i will reply to all pm's later tonight as im going out soon.
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;D 
Very surprised to see this being offered for sale , I bet the artist that sold you this is regreting it now 
. I would of made sure this could not be resold on the open market. And for value, i doubt its worth as much as you expect it to sell for.
