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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by anodyne13 on Dec 30, 2009 18:36:07 GMT 1, I think there is a general misconception of what a COA is. Its a certificate by an individual or group of individuals that sell the original art or authenticate that art they did not sell was in deed produced by the artist. Just because it does not have a COA does not mean it is not real. IN this particular case, I think it is much easier to establish authenticity because the print is signed to a particular individual. If that individual has an established relationship in order to have received the print from Banksy originally, and that same individual who received the print attests to the fact that it is the actual print, you have established a direct chain of custody. As long as the original receiver of the print did not produce a fake, which would be unlikely given how easily they would be linked to it, and the new owner did not produce a fake (which would be best documented by a photo of the print with the original owner, but also could be attested to), I would be comfortable with this kind of documentation in lieu of a COA.
In fact, since NO COAs are given for these pieces, it does not mean that ALL the pieces are fakes. In fact it is accepted that these pieces are REAL, and if ANYONE wanted to own one, they would seek documentation of a similar chain of custody, which the market would deem as acceptable given there is no alternative of obtaining a COA.
I think there is a general misconception of what a COA is. Its a certificate by an individual or group of individuals that sell the original art or authenticate that art they did not sell was in deed produced by the artist. Just because it does not have a COA does not mean it is not real. IN this particular case, I think it is much easier to establish authenticity because the print is signed to a particular individual. If that individual has an established relationship in order to have received the print from Banksy originally, and that same individual who received the print attests to the fact that it is the actual print, you have established a direct chain of custody. As long as the original receiver of the print did not produce a fake, which would be unlikely given how easily they would be linked to it, and the new owner did not produce a fake (which would be best documented by a photo of the print with the original owner, but also could be attested to), I would be comfortable with this kind of documentation in lieu of a COA.
In fact, since NO COAs are given for these pieces, it does not mean that ALL the pieces are fakes. In fact it is accepted that these pieces are REAL, and if ANYONE wanted to own one, they would seek documentation of a similar chain of custody, which the market would deem as acceptable given there is no alternative of obtaining a COA.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by mookie on Dec 30, 2009 19:09:42 GMT 1, Does a heart on a banksy print = no coa?
Does a heart on a banksy print = no coa?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Fragile on Dec 30, 2009 19:16:14 GMT 1, don't know about a heart but a CND sign denotes a gift
don't know about a heart but a CND sign denotes a gift
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by gilsteph on Dec 30, 2009 19:29:16 GMT 1, I have seen older Banksy prints with CND signs that werent gifts......not sure if its true for the newer prints.
I have seen older Banksy prints with CND signs that werent gifts......not sure if its true for the newer prints.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Cocteau 101 on Dec 30, 2009 19:40:57 GMT 1, I have a WSM with a "heart turf war" on it that I bought secondary - has full pest control and is a thing of rare beauty.
I have a WSM with a "heart turf war" on it that I bought secondary - has full pest control and is a thing of rare beauty.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by mookie on Dec 30, 2009 19:45:17 GMT 1, I have a WSM with a "heart turf war" on it that I bought secondary - has full pest control and is a thing of rare beauty.
My bomb hugger has a heart and something else on it. Solid provenance but never applied for coa as it's staying with me.
I have a WSM with a "heart turf war" on it that I bought secondary - has full pest control and is a thing of rare beauty. My bomb hugger has a heart and something else on it. Solid provenance but never applied for coa as it's staying with me. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Mentis Statum on Dec 30, 2009 19:47:50 GMT 1, Awesome print, I managed to get one of the many posters which were around London, free! Not the same but good enough for me!
Awesome print, I managed to get one of the many posters which were around London, free! Not the same but good enough for me!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by simonf on Dec 30, 2009 20:30:12 GMT 1, I must admit I dont understand why they wont issue a COA for this, they certainly have for gift prints in the past. Whoever received the print from Banksy initially, should have the freedom to do what they want with it. There are plenty of people on here who have had to sell stuff due pressing financial circumstances. I would add not me yet, but for the grace of god....... I've seen this position echoed by a few and fwiw I disagree. It was a gift plain and simple and did not require the giver to employ people at a later date to determine whether they were authentic or a fake. It's the same position with the street work- it wasn't meant for sale so the artist will not aid in that pursuit. Most importantly, CANS was a free event for all to come and participate and there was nothing for profit about it. It art for all ages to enjoy without exchanging money. The gift was genuine I'm sure but trying to make a profit off it (not you iloveart, but the original recipient) kind of bastardizes the spirit of the CANS event itself. It was merely a thank you note.
so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free!
lol
what colour is the sky in your world? ;D
What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions....
Its so funny!
I must admit I dont understand why they wont issue a COA for this, they certainly have for gift prints in the past. Whoever received the print from Banksy initially, should have the freedom to do what they want with it. There are plenty of people on here who have had to sell stuff due pressing financial circumstances. I would add not me yet, but for the grace of god....... I've seen this position echoed by a few and fwiw I disagree. It was a gift plain and simple and did not require the giver to employ people at a later date to determine whether they were authentic or a fake. It's the same position with the street work- it wasn't meant for sale so the artist will not aid in that pursuit. Most importantly, CANS was a free event for all to come and participate and there was nothing for profit about it. It art for all ages to enjoy without exchanging money. The gift was genuine I'm sure but trying to make a profit off it (not you iloveart, but the original recipient) kind of bastardizes the spirit of the CANS event itself. It was merely a thank you note. so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free! lol what colour is the sky in your world? ;D What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions.... Its so funny! |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grafik on Dec 30, 2009 20:47:21 GMT 1, i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point)
i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on.
would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance?
i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point)
i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on.
would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by simonf on Dec 30, 2009 20:55:17 GMT 1, absolutely not... and I wouldn't buy this print for that very reason. (unless it was really really cheap)
No provenance no purchase as far as I'm concerned!
absolutely not... and I wouldn't buy this print for that very reason. (unless it was really really cheap)
No provenance no purchase as far as I'm concerned!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by simonf on Dec 30, 2009 20:57:45 GMT 1, I have a couple of di faced tenners, and a banksy greenpeace poster... they could both be copies for all i know... but I like them and they didn't cost very much... So I bought them.
But I wouldn't spend much more than a few quid on a no provenance piece myself..... just my opinion.
I have a couple of di faced tenners, and a banksy greenpeace poster... they could both be copies for all i know... but I like them and they didn't cost very much... So I bought them.
But I wouldn't spend much more than a few quid on a no provenance piece myself..... just my opinion.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by lee3 on Dec 30, 2009 21:51:59 GMT 1, >>>so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free!
lol
what colour is the sky in your world?
What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions....
Its so funny! <<<
My point obviously came across in the wrong manner if that is your interpretation of it. My point is that there is no requirement to issue a COA and for whatever reason the artist decided not to. I then speculated as to why perhaps that is the case. It's also quite possible that Banksy uses marks that are invisible to the naked eye on prints to discern authenticity which is common at his level. Perhaps that technology wasn't available when these were signed and therefore they don't feel comfortable passing judgement on them. There are a bunch of possible reasons as to why these weren't issued COA. My point is simply that I'm surprised many take the position that the artist HAS to issue a COA when that is simply not the case. They can choose to do as they like and for whatever reason they are not doing so with this piece of paper. It's not a responsibility for the artist to issue one but sure is appreciated when money is changed hands. Given that no money ever changed hands for these, I do not subscribe to anyone'e belief (regardless of the condition of their ailing mother's hip) that the artist has a responsibility to do so. He's hardly the fist artist to take this stance and I think most would find that the majority of artists and their foundations have all denied COA's for work the artist clearly did.
>>>so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free!
lol
what colour is the sky in your world?
What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions....
Its so funny! <<<
My point obviously came across in the wrong manner if that is your interpretation of it. My point is that there is no requirement to issue a COA and for whatever reason the artist decided not to. I then speculated as to why perhaps that is the case. It's also quite possible that Banksy uses marks that are invisible to the naked eye on prints to discern authenticity which is common at his level. Perhaps that technology wasn't available when these were signed and therefore they don't feel comfortable passing judgement on them. There are a bunch of possible reasons as to why these weren't issued COA. My point is simply that I'm surprised many take the position that the artist HAS to issue a COA when that is simply not the case. They can choose to do as they like and for whatever reason they are not doing so with this piece of paper. It's not a responsibility for the artist to issue one but sure is appreciated when money is changed hands. Given that no money ever changed hands for these, I do not subscribe to anyone'e belief (regardless of the condition of their ailing mother's hip) that the artist has a responsibility to do so. He's hardly the fist artist to take this stance and I think most would find that the majority of artists and their foundations have all denied COA's for work the artist clearly did.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 30, 2009 21:53:45 GMT 1, i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance?
the difference is we know this isnt fake.
i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance? the difference is we know this isnt fake. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by simonf on Dec 30, 2009 22:02:04 GMT 1, >>>so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free! lol what colour is the sky in your world? What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions.... Its so funny! <<< My point obviously came across in the wrong manner if that is your interpretation of it. My point is that there is no requirement to issue a COA and for whatever reason the artist decided not to. I then speculated as to why perhaps that is the case. It's also quite possible that Banksy uses marks that are invisible to the naked eye on prints to discern authenticity which is common at his level. Perhaps that technology wasn't available when these were signed and therefore they don't feel comfortable passing judgement on them. There are a bunch of possible reasons as to why these weren't issued COA. My point is simply that I'm surprised many take the position that the artist HAS to issue a COA when that is simply not the case. They can choose to do as they like and for whatever reason they are not doing so with this piece of paper. It's not a responsibility for the artist to issue one but sure is appreciated when money is changed hands. Given that no money ever changed hands for these, I do not subscribe to anyone'e belief (regardless of the condition of their ailing mother's hip) that the artist should anyway.
I completely agree.... issuing a COA is totally up to to the artist. There is no compunction on him, nor should there be. The problem of having no COA is, as you say, only rears it's ugly head when money becomes involved.
I find the idea, elsewhere expressed in this thread, that the original seller should feel ashamed of selling it, rather humorous, not to say ludicrous, but entirely agree with what you say above.
>>>so rather than "bastardise the spirit of the cans festival", and maybe get enough money to pay for his mothers new hip operation (for example) the artist, should have given the banksy away fro free! lol what colour is the sky in your world? What I love about these sort of threads is the enthusiam and moral certainty people express when telling other people what they should be doing with their own possesions.... Its so funny! <<< My point obviously came across in the wrong manner if that is your interpretation of it. My point is that there is no requirement to issue a COA and for whatever reason the artist decided not to. I then speculated as to why perhaps that is the case. It's also quite possible that Banksy uses marks that are invisible to the naked eye on prints to discern authenticity which is common at his level. Perhaps that technology wasn't available when these were signed and therefore they don't feel comfortable passing judgement on them. There are a bunch of possible reasons as to why these weren't issued COA. My point is simply that I'm surprised many take the position that the artist HAS to issue a COA when that is simply not the case. They can choose to do as they like and for whatever reason they are not doing so with this piece of paper. It's not a responsibility for the artist to issue one but sure is appreciated when money is changed hands. Given that no money ever changed hands for these, I do not subscribe to anyone'e belief (regardless of the condition of their ailing mother's hip) that the artist should anyway. I completely agree.... issuing a COA is totally up to to the artist. There is no compunction on him, nor should there be. The problem of having no COA is, as you say, only rears it's ugly head when money becomes involved. I find the idea, elsewhere expressed in this thread, that the original seller should feel ashamed of selling it, rather humorous, not to say ludicrous, but entirely agree with what you say above. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by monkeyballs on Dec 30, 2009 22:04:38 GMT 1, i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance? the difference is we know this isnt fake.
The colloquial use of we leads me to ask how exactly?
i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance? the difference is we know this isnt fake. The colloquial use of we leads me to ask how exactly? |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by monkeyart on Dec 30, 2009 22:10:03 GMT 1, Not sure that "we, whoever "we" are" will cut it should it ever go to auction years down the line?
Auction listings as to prov "No COA, but seller said - trust me i brought on a public forum back in 09 and the guy I brought it off, who brought it from some guy at Cans, said it was real :-) " Now thats water tight :-)
Anyway I think its a nice piece but as someone mentioned, if I were to buy this it would need to be cheap.
Good luck anyway, just my opinion.
Not sure that "we, whoever "we" are" will cut it should it ever go to auction years down the line?
Auction listings as to prov "No COA, but seller said - trust me i brought on a public forum back in 09 and the guy I brought it off, who brought it from some guy at Cans, said it was real :-) " Now thats water tight :-)
Anyway I think its a nice piece but as someone mentioned, if I were to buy this it would need to be cheap.
Good luck anyway, just my opinion.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Photoxtc on Dec 31, 2009 10:49:15 GMT 1, i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance?
I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed 
So I do see your point with the no COA or Provs being a problem somewhere down the line as I have first hand experience with such an issue...
By the way, the Banksy is a gorgeous piece... 
i couldnt care less if someone sells something on (i was brought up never to sell a gift, but thats aside the point) i just think as banksy gets more and more famous and more and more prints are released those without COA will be very difficult to sell on. would you buy a hirst or warhol without solid gallery provanance? I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed So I do see your point with the no COA or Provs being a problem somewhere down the line as I have first hand experience with such an issue... By the way, the Banksy is a gorgeous piece... |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by G-Man on Dec 31, 2009 11:35:59 GMT 1, Whats going on with the print grantb??
you still got it or did you manage to sell it?
Whats going on with the print grantb??
you still got it or did you manage to sell it?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Dec 31, 2009 12:14:18 GMT 1, Whats going on with the print grantb?? you still got it or did you manage to sell it?
Im currently in talks with quite a few people but nothing 100%, but keep please bringing in offers.
ive sent an email to pest and going to be in talks with them over the whole issue with coa.
anyway I have full contact details with the first owner and trust me if you had the details youd understand that there is nothing to worry about, I know most people know its genuine but to the ones who arn't sure. I basically picked this up of someone who was invovled in the cans event and needed money urgentish. To prove you can always contact them and a number of people know this person to verify its all 100%.
Thanks
Whats going on with the print grantb?? you still got it or did you manage to sell it? Im currently in talks with quite a few people but nothing 100%, but keep please bringing in offers. ive sent an email to pest and going to be in talks with them over the whole issue with coa. anyway I have full contact details with the first owner and trust me if you had the details youd understand that there is nothing to worry about, I know most people know its genuine but to the ones who arn't sure. I basically picked this up of someone who was invovled in the cans event and needed money urgentish. To prove you can always contact them and a number of people know this person to verify its all 100%. Thanks |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by craigf on Dec 31, 2009 12:47:40 GMT 1, I bet you weren't expecting quite as much debate over this as you've ended up getting! Good luck, would love one of these, but can't have everything ;D
I bet you weren't expecting quite as much debate over this as you've ended up getting! Good luck, would love one of these, but can't have everything ;D
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by schlomo on Dec 31, 2009 12:49:12 GMT 1, I bet you weren't expecting quite as much debate over this as you've ended up getting! Good luck, would love one of these, but can't have everything ;D
Yes you can Craig!
I bet you weren't expecting quite as much debate over this as you've ended up getting! Good luck, would love one of these, but can't have everything ;D Yes you can Craig! |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by craigf on Dec 31, 2009 12:52:34 GMT 1, ok, can i have your Grey Nola then pls Dan ;D
ok, can i have your Grey Nola then pls Dan ;D |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by schlomo on Dec 31, 2009 13:08:56 GMT 1, Haha! ok you cant have everything then......
Haha! ok you cant have everything then......
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by craigf on Dec 31, 2009 13:10:21 GMT 1, but you said....
but you said.... |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by mrtibbs on Dec 31, 2009 16:23:38 GMT 1, would like to know how much you want for this?  openly, not behind closed doors. 
much luv
would like to know how much you want for this? openly, not behind closed doors. much luv |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by curiousgeorge on Dec 31, 2009 17:04:52 GMT 1, Is it a shame to see this up for sale? Of course!!
Do we know what circumstances have forced the sale of this? Nope!
In an ideal world these would be kept and handing down through the family in the same spirit they were given, just looked outside and it's looking far from ideal!
Good luck arguing the odd's with a set in stone decision from PC
Is it a shame to see this up for sale? Of course!!
Do we know what circumstances have forced the sale of this? Nope!
In an ideal world these would be kept and handing down through the family in the same spirit they were given, just looked outside and it's looking far from ideal!
Good luck arguing the odd's with a set in stone decision from PC
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by lee3 on Dec 31, 2009 20:22:43 GMT 1, >>>I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed
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Well done. The Warhol foundation is well staffed but to the best of my knowledge do not authenticate prints. You can simply call them at 212-387-7555 for authentication questions but I believe they operate under the notion that they only bother to authenticate paintings. Tim Hunt handles prints and they still had some gems the last I spoke with them (a year ago) regarding unique screens on HMP paper. They had some electric chairs and Mao's if memory serves.
From what I know there really aren't THAT many warhol print fakes, most notably the Marilyn's were faked by an Italian outfit years ago but they made them in the wrong size so they are easy to spot. Give that number a call but if it's as I said above, I would only buy at auction or a reputable dealer and usually the former will be FAR less expensive.
>>>I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed
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Well done. The Warhol foundation is well staffed but to the best of my knowledge do not authenticate prints. You can simply call them at 212-387-7555 for authentication questions but I believe they operate under the notion that they only bother to authenticate paintings. Tim Hunt handles prints and they still had some gems the last I spoke with them (a year ago) regarding unique screens on HMP paper. They had some electric chairs and Mao's if memory serves.
From what I know there really aren't THAT many warhol print fakes, most notably the Marilyn's were faked by an Italian outfit years ago but they made them in the wrong size so they are easy to spot. Give that number a call but if it's as I said above, I would only buy at auction or a reputable dealer and usually the former will be FAR less expensive.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Photoxtc on Dec 31, 2009 20:32:41 GMT 1, >>>I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed <<< Well done. The Warhol foundation is well staffed but to the best of my knowledge do not authenticate prints. You can simply call them at 212-387-7555 for authentication questions but I believe they operate under the notion that they only bother to authenticate paintings. Tim Hunt handles prints and they still had some gems the last I spoke with them (a year ago) regarding unique screens on HMP paper. They had some electric chairs and Mao's if memory serves. From what I know there really aren't THAT many warhol print fakes, most notably the Marilyn's were faked by an Italian outfit years ago but they made them in the wrong size so they are easy to spot. Give that number a call but if it's as I said above, I would only buy at auction or a reputable dealer and usually the former will be FAR less expensive.
yeah I talked to the foundation and they were as nice and helpful as can be, they do authenticate prints but only do it once or twice a year (you can either send it or drop it off) and on a limited basis, so basically first come, first serve... in my case the guy wasn't willing to go this route for some reason and claimed he was already losing money on the print and I was assuredly getting a good deal and better act fast! LOL And that's when I ran as fast as I could from the deal....
>>>I just had this very problem when trying to buy a warhol print earlier this year... the more I asked about a COA or provs the more the guy would get pissy with me, telling me it was rock solid and no worries, trust me... pay him $28k and I could take it to get authenticated but I would only have 2 weeks to do so and if within 2 weeks I couldn't get it authenticated he would refund me, not a $28 thousand chance I was willing to take.... a f**king joke the whole thing turned out to be, I could go on and on about the s**t he would say, it really was comedy... obviously I passed <<< Well done. The Warhol foundation is well staffed but to the best of my knowledge do not authenticate prints. You can simply call them at 212-387-7555 for authentication questions but I believe they operate under the notion that they only bother to authenticate paintings. Tim Hunt handles prints and they still had some gems the last I spoke with them (a year ago) regarding unique screens on HMP paper. They had some electric chairs and Mao's if memory serves. From what I know there really aren't THAT many warhol print fakes, most notably the Marilyn's were faked by an Italian outfit years ago but they made them in the wrong size so they are easy to spot. Give that number a call but if it's as I said above, I would only buy at auction or a reputable dealer and usually the former will be FAR less expensive. yeah I talked to the foundation and they were as nice and helpful as can be, they do authenticate prints but only do it once or twice a year (you can either send it or drop it off) and on a limited basis, so basically first come, first serve... in my case the guy wasn't willing to go this route for some reason and claimed he was already losing money on the print and I was assuredly getting a good deal and better act fast! LOL And that's when I ran as fast as I could from the deal.... |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by lee3 on Jan 1, 2010 18:35:01 GMT 1, >>>I talked to the foundation and they were as nice and helpful as can be, they do authenticate prints but only do it once or twice a year (you can either send it or drop it off) and on a limited basis, so basically first come, first serve.<<<
Interesting, good to know. many thanks
>>>in my case the guy wasn't willing to go this route for some reason and claimed he was already losing money on the print and I was assuredly getting a good deal and better act fast!And that's when I ran as fast as I could from the deal....<<<
I would have done the same. Amazing that some people still employ the crazy eddie sales technique this day in age.
>>>I talked to the foundation and they were as nice and helpful as can be, they do authenticate prints but only do it once or twice a year (you can either send it or drop it off) and on a limited basis, so basically first come, first serve.<<<
Interesting, good to know. many thanks
>>>in my case the guy wasn't willing to go this route for some reason and claimed he was already losing money on the print and I was assuredly getting a good deal and better act fast!And that's when I ran as fast as I could from the deal....<<<
I would have done the same. Amazing that some people still employ the crazy eddie sales technique this day in age.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by grantb on Jan 2, 2010 11:58:45 GMT 1, Thanks for the offers, no deal done yet. Keep offers coming.
Thanks
Thanks for the offers, no deal done yet. Keep offers coming.
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