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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Forbidden Love on Jul 2, 2012 22:00:29 GMT 1, Could pow authenticate a not intended for sale letter with no unique code. Stopping from auction houses taking it on?
Could pow authenticate a not intended for sale letter with no unique code. Stopping from auction houses taking it on?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bullet on Jul 2, 2012 22:12:31 GMT 1, Guess its really the point of a coa. If it has it with, then its ok. Without then no reputable auction house will sell it anyway.
Must point of that it really is a dangerous game to suggest to people on a forum that its ok to buy things without pest control off ebay. This is from someone with first hand experience. Especially to those people who may not be up on this stuff. As collectors we have a responsibility to almost self police things.
Please do not suggest it is ok with a personal coa or written letter otherwise there could potentially be a huge mess down the line.
Guess its really the point of a coa. If it has it with, then its ok. Without then no reputable auction house will sell it anyway.
Must point of that it really is a dangerous game to suggest to people on a forum that its ok to buy things without pest control off ebay. This is from someone with first hand experience. Especially to those people who may not be up on this stuff. As collectors we have a responsibility to almost self police things.
Please do not suggest it is ok with a personal coa or written letter otherwise there could potentially be a huge mess down the line.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bullet on Jul 2, 2012 22:18:26 GMT 1, Just to point out i did not start this thread, payney deleted his post
Just to point out i did not start this thread, payney deleted his post
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Forbidden Love on Jul 2, 2012 22:34:36 GMT 1, Agree, I was trying to say just because it doesn't have coa doesn't mean it's a big big risk or it's fake. One of those things where you need to be 100%, it does help buying it from, the person it was gifted too.
Agree, I was trying to say just because it doesn't have coa doesn't mean it's a big big risk or it's fake. One of those things where you need to be 100%, it does help buying it from, the person it was gifted too.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bullet on Jul 2, 2012 22:35:15 GMT 1, Plus it might be a bit odd as its dedicated to someone
Plus it might be a bit odd as its dedicated to someone
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Forbidden Love on Jul 2, 2012 22:44:08 GMT 1, Change your name for a small fee?
Change your name for a small fee?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by chaserawr on Jul 2, 2012 22:47:24 GMT 1, Looks like its in pencil, I'd just rededicate it to myself.
Looks like its in pencil, I'd just rededicate it to myself.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 22:50:23 GMT 1, Its easy enough to confirm with PC if the name of the owner matches up with the name on their database - so there really isnt any need for the scaremongering, unless those who are doing the scaremongering have another agenda, like ooooh I dont know, perhaps put others off from bidding!!!
Its easy enough to confirm with PC if the name of the owner matches up with the name on their database - so there really isnt any need for the scaremongering, unless those who are doing the scaremongering have another agenda, like ooooh I dont know, perhaps put others off from bidding!!!
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bullet on Jul 2, 2012 23:33:07 GMT 1, Try saying that to the people who have been scammed out of thousands of pounds mate. You would be scaremongering as well. Would never touch a banksy on ebay with a barge pole ever again.
Hope it never happens to you.
Try saying that to the people who have been scammed out of thousands of pounds mate. You would be scaremongering as well. Would never touch a banksy on ebay with a barge pole ever again.
Hope it never happens to you.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 23:38:59 GMT 1, Guess its really the point of a coa. If it has it with, then its ok. Without then no reputable auction house will sell it anyway. Must point of that it really is a dangerous game to suggest to people on a forum that its ok to buy things without pest control off ebay. This is from someone with first hand experience. Especially to those people who may not be up on this stuff. As collectors we have a responsibility to almost self police things. Please do not suggest it is ok with a personal coa or written letter otherwise there could potentially be a huge mess down the line.
Really, COA's are always secondary to provenance as far as I'm concerned. If it's a gift print and you can track it back to Banksy, no problem, if it's a print with a reciept, registered in your name at POW. No problem. If you have full provenance. It's a Banksy. If you have a print and no provenance, but a COA.. well, you might be able to sell it on. But you'll never know it's real  Provenance people. Really, don't blindly rely on a COA.
There, does that balance the argument ? or muddy it some more ?
Guess its really the point of a coa. If it has it with, then its ok. Without then no reputable auction house will sell it anyway. Must point of that it really is a dangerous game to suggest to people on a forum that its ok to buy things without pest control off ebay. This is from someone with first hand experience. Especially to those people who may not be up on this stuff. As collectors we have a responsibility to almost self police things. Please do not suggest it is ok with a personal coa or written letter otherwise there could potentially be a huge mess down the line. Really, COA's are always secondary to provenance as far as I'm concerned. If it's a gift print and you can track it back to Banksy, no problem, if it's a print with a reciept, registered in your name at POW. No problem. If you have full provenance. It's a Banksy. If you have a print and no provenance, but a COA.. well, you might be able to sell it on. But you'll never know it's real Provenance people. Really, don't blindly rely on a COA. There, does that balance the argument ? or muddy it some more ? |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 0:03:20 GMT 1, Neither balances or muddy's anything, be more decisive.
Neither balances or muddy's anything, be more decisive.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 0:22:58 GMT 1, Neither balances or muddy's anything, be more decisive.
No
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 6:34:36 GMT 1, Thats more like it.
Thats more like it.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by bullet on Jul 3, 2012 7:25:52 GMT 1, Provenance can be made up though. It is never completely accurate. Again, this is how the fraudsters preyed on people last time.
Provenance can be made up though. It is never completely accurate. Again, this is how the fraudsters preyed on people last time.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by naughtyshorty on Jul 3, 2012 10:45:42 GMT 1, no COA, no sale (IMO). amongst other things, how do you check provenance? it's just a story and a list of names, so how do you check any of that? are PC really going to verify that sort of info?
no COA, no sale (IMO). amongst other things, how do you check provenance? it's just a story and a list of names, so how do you check any of that? are PC really going to verify that sort of info?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 3, 2012 12:36:37 GMT 1, Ask the seller. If he's into his art and worked on the show maybe he's got a photo at the time. Genuine seller would be happy to show you. Corroborating evidence like that.
Ask the seller. If he's into his art and worked on the show maybe he's got a photo at the time. Genuine seller would be happy to show you. Corroborating evidence like that.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by naughtyshorty on Jul 3, 2012 14:03:36 GMT 1, but... thats had to categorically prove. also if you sell it on, it becomes even harder to prove again.
i personally like the image and think its a great price for a low edition, low circulation banksy. but, if u are buying in anyway for investment, i think its worth properly thinking things through..
but... thats had to categorically prove. also if you sell it on, it becomes even harder to prove again.
i personally like the image and think its a great price for a low edition, low circulation banksy. but, if u are buying in anyway for investment, i think its worth properly thinking things through..
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by curiousgeorge on Jul 3, 2012 17:45:42 GMT 1, Provenance
the history of ownership of a valued object or work of art or literature
Provenance
the history of ownership of a valued object or work of art or literature
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 3, 2012 18:19:04 GMT 1, but... thats had to categorically prove. also if you sell it on, it becomes even harder to prove again. i personally like the image and think its a great price for a low edition, low circulation banksy. but, if u are buying in anyway for investment, i think its worth properly thinking things through..
Agreed NS and that's the point. Where there's no COA we need to get as much evidence as possible that a story is correct. A story is no evidence at all. That can be made up. Photos that corroborate a story can help. Maybe the original tube that the item came in... It all goes to validate the story and adds to the quality of the provenance IMHO.
but... thats had to categorically prove. also if you sell it on, it becomes even harder to prove again. i personally like the image and think its a great price for a low edition, low circulation banksy. but, if u are buying in anyway for investment, i think its worth properly thinking things through.. Agreed NS and that's the point. Where there's no COA we need to get as much evidence as possible that a story is correct. A story is no evidence at all. That can be made up. Photos that corroborate a story can help. Maybe the original tube that the item came in... It all goes to validate the story and adds to the quality of the provenance IMHO. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by naughtyshorty on Jul 3, 2012 23:28:18 GMT 1, true true..
true true..
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Lunch Special on Aug 23, 2013 0:36:02 GMT 1, Signed to some guy named Ross. All sorts of email trails, letters thanking him for his help etc....
I know a COA is out of the question but what would be the going rate for one?
Not mine
thanks any help is appreciated.
Signed to some guy named Ross. All sorts of email trails, letters thanking him for his help etc....
I know a COA is out of the question but what would be the going rate for one?
Not mine
thanks any help is appreciated.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 18:20:43 GMT 1, £0
£0
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Lunch Special on Aug 25, 2013 16:06:12 GMT 1, 
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 16:11:58 GMT 1,  would it be worth more than this
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Manty on Aug 25, 2013 16:13:13 GMT 1, Are these the gifts that Banksy gave out to helpers and Pest wont COA?
Value wise, no idea.
ok, let me start with £200
Or £1000?
Are these the gifts that Banksy gave out to helpers and Pest wont COA?
Value wise, no idea.
ok, let me start with £200
Or £1000?
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 16:16:11 GMT 1, i will pay 250 pounds now for it
i will pay 250 pounds now for it
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Lunch Special on Aug 25, 2013 16:21:29 GMT 1, Are these the gifts that Banksy gave out to helpers and Pest wont COA? Value wise, no idea. ok, let me start with £200 Or £1000?
Are these the gifts that Banksy gave out to helpers and Pest wont COA? Value wise, no idea. ok, let me start with £200 Or £1000? Guy has plenty of supposed emails between said Ross and someone thanking him for his work, hours listed, dates and times etc... No thanks Jaygo, he said the framing cost more than £250. Saw an auction on artnet that had it listed for a cray amount in 2010. Does anyone know if it sold? Also, since no PC COA could ever be obtained, do you think a signature authentication could be obtained from Dora? Thanks. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 16:22:23 GMT 1, I like that springy Horse one.
I like that springy Horse one.
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 19:04:58 GMT 1,  wonder what these are worth now as well.
wonder what these are worth now as well. |
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Banksy • Rodeo Girl • GIFT Print, by Happy Shopper on Aug 25, 2013 19:05:04 GMT 1, That photo (Rodeo Girl) makes it look like a small print. I assumed from pictures before that it was a standard 50 x 70 type Banksy print.
I could be totally wrong though!!
That photo (Rodeo Girl) makes it look like a small print. I assumed from pictures before that it was a standard 50 x 70 type Banksy print.
I could be totally wrong though!!
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Provenance people. Really, don't blindly rely on a COA.
