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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by jones27 on Nov 24, 2009 16:39:02 GMT 1, Way too expensive for a print. Unfortunately 'hand finished' is a convenient excuse for artists to take the piss. Wonder if theres any coffee stains thrown in ?
Way too expensive for a print. Unfortunately 'hand finished' is a convenient excuse for artists to take the piss. Wonder if theres any coffee stains thrown in ?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by sand on Nov 24, 2009 17:02:42 GMT 1,
As much as I like Elms as a gallery...Paul and Fiona have always been very hospitable to me every time I have visited...they put on some of the best shows + have a fantastic roster of artists..long before all the hype started - these prints are just too expensive for editions of 100 in this current climate.
If it was a case of making Parla's work more accessible..why didn't they just create another £10 show poster that the artist could have signed + added some doodles on at a signing in gallery + put some for sale online for international buyers. Thus making the work both accessible and affordable for all.
I'm a massive Parla fan and missed the boat on buying a original...so was look forward to this release...but i'm not so sure I want to spend so much on such a large edition. I wonder if these prints will go down the route of the Neates and be available for less than cost on the secondary market?
I have no problem with galleries / artists making money (much prefer them to get the £££ than flippers) but it does seem very very expensive for a giclee print with a layer or two of silkscreen on top.
They really need to be special in person to justify the price.
Also I was very surprised that Jose was willing to create some new prints. And I thought Elms was focusing on selling originals. I wonder why the change of heart? Anyone know?
As much as I like Elms as a gallery...Paul and Fiona have always been very hospitable to me every time I have visited...they put on some of the best shows + have a fantastic roster of artists..long before all the hype started - these prints are just too expensive for editions of 100 in this current climate.
If it was a case of making Parla's work more accessible..why didn't they just create another £10 show poster that the artist could have signed + added some doodles on at a signing in gallery + put some for sale online for international buyers. Thus making the work both accessible and affordable for all.
I'm a massive Parla fan and missed the boat on buying a original...so was look forward to this release...but i'm not so sure I want to spend so much on such a large edition. I wonder if these prints will go down the route of the Neates and be available for less than cost on the secondary market?
I have no problem with galleries / artists making money (much prefer them to get the £££ than flippers) but it does seem very very expensive for a giclee print with a layer or two of silkscreen on top.
They really need to be special in person to justify the price.
Also I was very surprised that Jose was willing to create some new prints. And I thought Elms was focusing on selling originals. I wonder why the change of heart? Anyone know?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by keysersoze on Nov 24, 2009 17:31:33 GMT 1, Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point.
If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho.
The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release.
Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder.
Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point.
If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho.
The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release.
Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Daniel Silk on Nov 24, 2009 17:33:01 GMT 1, Well said! 
Well said! |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by keysersoze on Nov 24, 2009 17:38:01 GMT 1, Thanks Silky
Thanks Silky |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by silvermyn on Nov 24, 2009 17:51:40 GMT 1, Is it the case that Parla/Elms want his work to be more accessible? Forgive my ignorance but I just don't know enough about them.
Part of me just thinks that originals and watercolours aren't flying off the shelves these days so tapping the lower end of the market may be a shewd commercial move. After all, £240k if they all sells out is not chicken feed in this market 
Is it the case that Parla/Elms want his work to be more accessible? Forgive my ignorance but I just don't know enough about them. Part of me just thinks that originals and watercolours aren't flying off the shelves these days so tapping the lower end of the market may be a shewd commercial move. After all, £240k if they all sells out is not chicken feed in this market |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 24, 2009 18:03:09 GMT 1, Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point. If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho. The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release. Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder.
Excellent post.
Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point. If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho. The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release. Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder. Excellent post. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by adewilliams on Nov 24, 2009 18:13:36 GMT 1, judging by everything Elms Lester have released in print in the past, I have no doubt the quality of these prints will be exceptional
judging by everything Elms Lester have released in print in the past, I have no doubt the quality of these prints will be exceptional
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by My Name is Frank on Nov 24, 2009 18:15:56 GMT 1, At least you'll have the time to make your mind up.
At least you'll have the time to make your mind up.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by James Smith 77 on Nov 24, 2009 18:20:08 GMT 1, WOW! Jose is a good break dancer.
WOW! Jose is a good break dancer.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by adewilliams on Nov 24, 2009 18:22:30 GMT 1, At least you'll have the time to make your mind up.
it's a lot of money alright
At least you'll have the time to make your mind up.
it's a lot of money alright
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by snausages on Nov 24, 2009 18:44:22 GMT 1, Is it the case that Parla/Elms want his work to be more accessible? Forgive my ignorance but I just don't know enough about them. Part of me just thinks that originals and watercolours aren't flying off the shelves these days so tapping the lower end of the market may be a shewd commercial move. After all, £240k if they all sells out is not chicken feed in this market
Right. All this gushing about how altruistic Jose and the guy at Elms is, for bringing 'art to the poor' is making me queazy. They stand to make almost a half million usd on this release. That's the motive right there.
But to be fair I thought they would have priced these even higher considering how hard they've pushed his prices and how some people have tried selling his screenprint for $6k. So I do think £750 is 'ok' if you're a big Parla fan, and I'm sure these will sell out unless every bit of mania has been squeezed out of this scene. Just peculiar how much hype there will be around these while top notch prints in same bracket by huge artists sit unsold. Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art.
Is it the case that Parla/Elms want his work to be more accessible? Forgive my ignorance but I just don't know enough about them. Part of me just thinks that originals and watercolours aren't flying off the shelves these days so tapping the lower end of the market may be a shewd commercial move. After all, £240k if they all sells out is not chicken feed in this market Right. All this gushing about how altruistic Jose and the guy at Elms is, for bringing 'art to the poor' is making me queazy. They stand to make almost a half million usd on this release. That's the motive right there. But to be fair I thought they would have priced these even higher considering how hard they've pushed his prices and how some people have tried selling his screenprint for $6k. So I do think £750 is 'ok' if you're a big Parla fan, and I'm sure these will sell out unless every bit of mania has been squeezed out of this scene. Just peculiar how much hype there will be around these while top notch prints in same bracket by huge artists sit unsold. Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by afroken on Nov 24, 2009 18:53:30 GMT 1, Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art.
Just print out the 265 pages of this board and there's your book right there.
Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art. Just print out the 265 pages of this board and there's your book right there. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by covertshadowops on Nov 24, 2009 18:59:40 GMT 1, is Jose going to be there at Elms?
is Jose going to be there at Elms?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by snausages on Nov 24, 2009 19:02:48 GMT 1, Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art. Just print out the 265 pages of this board and there's your book right there.
Ha ha, yeah, when are we going to get the Banksy Forum book? But it would of course have to be available in a regular plus a limited signed edition in 20 different colorways.
Someone really needs to write a book on the marketing of urban art. Just print out the 265 pages of this board and there's your book right there. Ha ha, yeah, when are we going to get the Banksy Forum book? But it would of course have to be available in a regular plus a limited signed edition in 20 different colorways. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by veralynn on Nov 24, 2009 19:05:53 GMT 1, Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point. If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho. The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release. Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder. Excellent post.
Totally agree with HC - excellent post, particularly around the 'banksy mania' bit (whilst acknowledging that this IS a Banksy forum...).
I can't rationalise how paying, say £800, for something which appears to be exquisite is expensive when contrasted to paying ££££ for VLH.
I think these look the business and will be attending on the 5th and might just stick my hand in my pocket...
Only on this forum could an artist who wanted to create more accessible (there is a BIG difference between 'more accessible' and 'cheap') works get slagged off. When you consider his originals are 50K, watercolours are 10-12K, this truly does create a lower entry point. If you can't afford to purchase one of these and you like Jose Parla's work, let me make a suggestion... buy one of his books! Cityscapes is the best imho. The prints are priced correctly. They will go to homes where they are going to be appreciated; not ones where they are bought to flip. I like the fact times have changed as it's nice to be able to mull over a purchase decision - this should be the case when considering something to add to your wall. And it's not the end of the world if these don't sell-out instantaneously (which is another mentality I've never understood about this scene). A gallery/artist would rather have the works in the right hands than making all their money on the initial release. Also agree with whomever said a lot of members on here have Banksy-mania. Banksy chooses to sell his prints below market value - and if you don't think they enjoy/benefit from the hype of doing so - then you should think about it harder. Excellent post. Totally agree with HC - excellent post, particularly around the 'banksy mania' bit (whilst acknowledging that this IS a Banksy forum...). I can't rationalise how paying, say £800, for something which appears to be exquisite is expensive when contrasted to paying ££££ for VLH. I think these look the business and will be attending on the 5th and might just stick my hand in my pocket... |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by adewilliams on Nov 24, 2009 19:09:26 GMT 1, I think some people would be surprised at the production costs of quality printing and premium quality papers
I think some people would be surprised at the production costs of quality printing and premium quality papers
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by veralynn on Nov 24, 2009 19:11:33 GMT 1, Oh - and they're huge.
Oh - and they're huge.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:18:30 GMT 1, I think some people would be surprised at the production costs of quality printing and premium quality papers
please surprise me! (not being cynical, I just don't know)
I think some people would be surprised at the production costs of quality printing and premium quality papers please surprise me! (not being cynical, I just don't know) |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by veralynn on Nov 24, 2009 19:25:33 GMT 1, The paper costs $1.75 per sq ft.
The paper costs $1.75 per sq ft.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 19:41:24 GMT 1, The paper costs $1.75 per sq ft.
wow.. that is kinda expensive.
The paper costs $1.75 per sq ft. wow.. that is kinda expensive. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Winter on Nov 24, 2009 20:26:31 GMT 1, Just got in and also have an invite. At first glance I like the St Giles so may go for one. I think these will be available for a good while so don't feel particularly bothered about getting down there on the first day
Just got in and also have an invite. At first glance I like the St Giles so may go for one. I think these will be available for a good while so don't feel particularly bothered about getting down there on the first day
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by mishco on Nov 24, 2009 21:03:18 GMT 1, don't know why people are moaning, the neates were around this price, albeit for a slightly lower edition.
If these were to be sold on the secondary market i believe they'd be going for at least the asking price so what's wrong with paying this direct from the gallery. should at least put some of the flippers off and at the same time inject some cash back into a gallery that's really supportive and helps support some amazing artists.
if i like the look of these close up i'll be buying one as well.
don't know why people are moaning, the neates were around this price, albeit for a slightly lower edition.
If these were to be sold on the secondary market i believe they'd be going for at least the asking price so what's wrong with paying this direct from the gallery. should at least put some of the flippers off and at the same time inject some cash back into a gallery that's really supportive and helps support some amazing artists.
if i like the look of these close up i'll be buying one as well.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Cardiff on Nov 24, 2009 21:06:48 GMT 1, Anyone know how those of us on the other side of the world might be able to buy these? I dropped Elms a message, but haven't heard back yet.
Anyone know how those of us on the other side of the world might be able to buy these? I dropped Elms a message, but haven't heard back yet.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by G-Man on Nov 24, 2009 21:13:56 GMT 1, I spoke to Fiona at Elms today and she confirmed that you can just rock up on the 5th no invite needed
I spoke to Fiona at Elms today and she confirmed that you can just rock up on the 5th no invite needed
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by digitalkid on Nov 24, 2009 21:17:58 GMT 1, Did she mention how the prints are going to be released, on the 5th or?
Did she mention how the prints are going to be released, on the 5th or?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by G-Man on Nov 24, 2009 21:18:24 GMT 1, Not keen on the St Giles think that the letter is the one for me
Not keen on the St Giles think that the letter is the one for me
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Bram on Nov 24, 2009 21:29:42 GMT 1, don't know why people are moaning, the neates were around this price, albeit for a slightly lower edition. If these were to be sold on the secondary market i believe they'd be going for at least the asking price so what's wrong with paying this direct from the gallery. should at least put some of the flippers off and at the same time inject some cash back into a gallery that's really supportive and helps support some amazing artists. if i like the look of these close up i'll be buying one as well.
Good point. If Elms where selling these for £350, they'd be sold out in minutes and selling on the bay for £800
don't know why people are moaning, the neates were around this price, albeit for a slightly lower edition. If these were to be sold on the secondary market i believe they'd be going for at least the asking price so what's wrong with paying this direct from the gallery. should at least put some of the flippers off and at the same time inject some cash back into a gallery that's really supportive and helps support some amazing artists. if i like the look of these close up i'll be buying one as well. Good point. If Elms where selling these for £350, they'd be sold out in minutes and selling on the bay for £800 |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by G-Man on Nov 24, 2009 21:31:37 GMT 1, I think that it is fair enough to sell prints at their market value
Also as I want one and am willing to pay a fair market price for one, hopefully by pricing them in this way the experience on the 5th will be fairly chilled
I think that it is fair enough to sell prints at their market value
Also as I want one and am willing to pay a fair market price for one, hopefully by pricing them in this way the experience on the 5th will be fairly chilled
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by sug on Nov 24, 2009 21:37:24 GMT 1, Release of the year for me no question. Looking forward to seeing them in the flesh.
Release of the year for me no question. Looking forward to seeing them in the flesh.
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