pezlow
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Micallef LA Show..., by pezlow on Aug 17, 2007 14:43:20 GMT 1, What are peoples' thoughts on the print medium itself? In other words, is the material cost and labour required to do a lithogrphic print run (no offset litho jokes!) less that/equal to/greater than/far greater than that of an equivalent screen print run? If you're talking about a fairly large edition of a complex multi-colour image, Lithos are going to be considerably cheaper to produce than Screenprints. Most of this difference will be down to labour costs.
CBL is the man to ask about this. I think it is down to the number of colours used in the process. 4 colour lithos are pretty cheap but really well done lithos with lots of colours are very expensive to produce, IIRC.
What are peoples' thoughts on the print medium itself? In other words, is the material cost and labour required to do a lithogrphic print run (no offset litho jokes!) less that/equal to/greater than/far greater than that of an equivalent screen print run? If you're talking about a fairly large edition of a complex multi-colour image, Lithos are going to be considerably cheaper to produce than Screenprints. Most of this difference will be down to labour costs. CBL is the man to ask about this. I think it is down to the number of colours used in the process. 4 colour lithos are pretty cheap but really well done lithos with lots of colours are very expensive to produce, IIRC. |
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Micallef LA Show..., by collector on Aug 17, 2007 14:54:03 GMT 1, What are peoples' thoughts on the print medium itself? In other words, is the material cost and labour required to do a lithogrphic print run (no offset litho jokes!) less that/equal to/greater than/far greater than that of an equivalent screen print run?
I remember a while back there was a thread about Giclรฉe prints and how people thought they were just expensive posters. Well posters are litho so that make Giclรฉe prints look like handmade masterpieces. I think ยฃ4700 which was the last Laz Micallef litho print price is outrageous, but then again they all sold so what do I know. My main concern with litho prints is they are not as stable as silkscreen prints due to the inks used. A litho print will fade faster than a silkscreen print, granted the types of inks used play a big part.
Micallef's work does not really suit silkscreen prints apart from the charcoal pieces so Laz only really has the litho/Giclรฉe option. I don't see the point of a 20 colour silkscreen to be honest. Either way I think ยฃ1000 for a signed Micallef litho is the most I would personally pay and I'm hoping they are priced for the US market (ie $2000, ยฃ1000), preferably $1000, ยฃ500.
What are peoples' thoughts on the print medium itself? In other words, is the material cost and labour required to do a lithogrphic print run (no offset litho jokes!) less that/equal to/greater than/far greater than that of an equivalent screen print run? I remember a while back there was a thread about Giclรฉe prints and how people thought they were just expensive posters. Well posters are litho so that make Giclรฉe prints look like handmade masterpieces. I think ยฃ4700 which was the last Laz Micallef litho print price is outrageous, but then again they all sold so what do I know. My main concern with litho prints is they are not as stable as silkscreen prints due to the inks used. A litho print will fade faster than a silkscreen print, granted the types of inks used play a big part. Micallef's work does not really suit silkscreen prints apart from the charcoal pieces so Laz only really has the litho/Giclรฉe option. I don't see the point of a 20 colour silkscreen to be honest. Either way I think ยฃ1000 for a signed Micallef litho is the most I would personally pay and I'm hoping they are priced for the US market (ie $2000, ยฃ1000), preferably $1000, ยฃ500. |
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Micallef LA Show..., by michaelscott on Aug 17, 2007 15:04:39 GMT 1, Dont hate me but the obvious question for insane people is "whats a Preview ticket/Name worth to the LA Micallef?" show?
ROFLMAO
I was waiting for this.
Dont hate me but the obvious question for insane people is "whats a Preview ticket/Name worth to the LA Micallef?" show? ROFLMAO I was waiting for this. |
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 15:06:49 GMT 1, Collector - how come you dont see the point in a 20 colour screen?
Collector - how come you dont see the point in a 20 colour screen?
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 15:29:01 GMT 1, imo the only PRINTS in this scene worth hanging AND laying out serious cash for is Banksy ---because of his mystique. The aura of the anonymous Super Vandal that none of the other artists have. To have his signature truly means something. These other guys ie. Micallef - unless you're getting the originals, paying ridiculous money for replicas of an artist with what a 2 year track record? Absurd
That said I do have a couple of Micallefs...
imo the only PRINTS in this scene worth hanging AND laying out serious cash for is Banksy ---because of his mystique. The aura of the anonymous Super Vandal that none of the other artists have. To have his signature truly means something. These other guys ie. Micallef - unless you're getting the originals, paying ridiculous money for replicas of an artist with what a 2 year track record? Absurd
That said I do have a couple of Micallefs...
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 15:39:52 GMT 1, Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!!
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"He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London."
I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!!
Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!!
quote...
"He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London."
I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!!
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 15:44:45 GMT 1, track record = established artist visually and investment wise
track record = established artist visually and investment wise
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Micallef LA Show..., by manchestermike on Aug 17, 2007 15:46:25 GMT 1, and.... how early do we need to get in line for the preview show to be able to get prints??? despite the hysteria of this forum i don't think you'll need to "line up" for $4000+ edition of 400 prints
Yes... because there was no queue (what's this "line" business?) at Elms for people to spend 1000s on Adam Neate's prints
Plus, I think there will be no more than half of each edition (less?) released in LA. The rest here
and.... how early do we need to get in line for the preview show to be able to get prints??? despite the hysteria of this forum i don't think you'll need to "line up" for $4000+ edition of 400 prints Yes... because there was no queue (what's this "line" business?) at Elms for people to spend 1000s on Adam Neate's prints Plus, I think there will be no more than half of each edition (less?) released in LA. The rest here |
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Micallef LA Show..., by numusic on Aug 17, 2007 15:53:53 GMT 1, Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!! quote... "He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London." I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!!
Ironic that Mr Anti corporate no blood for oil oil painter actually became known through the BP/Amoco let's rape and pillage the middle east for our shareholders award :-)
Besides, if this had any bearing whatsoever on the validity of an artists standing. Shouldn't we be collecting the winners work and not the runners up ? 
Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!! quote... "He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London." I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!! Ironic that Mr Anti corporate no blood for oil oil painter actually became known through the BP/Amoco let's rape and pillage the middle east for our shareholders award :-) Besides, if this had any bearing whatsoever on the validity of an artists standing. Shouldn't we be collecting the winners work and not the runners up ? |
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 15:55:32 GMT 1, Why have you bought Micallef's then if the only work worth hanging is Banksy's??? pure investment?
For an Artist Micallefs achievements are not to be snuffed at - He has achieved alot and caught the eye of many collectors, Hes no Banksy but nobody claims he is?
Why is Banksy the only artist worth hanging and laying out serious cash for? you mean pureley investment wise?
Why have you bought Micallef's then if the only work worth hanging is Banksy's??? pure investment?
For an Artist Micallefs achievements are not to be snuffed at - He has achieved alot and caught the eye of many collectors, Hes no Banksy but nobody claims he is?
Why is Banksy the only artist worth hanging and laying out serious cash for? you mean pureley investment wise?
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 15:56:28 GMT 1, Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!! quote... "He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London." I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!! Ironic that Mr Anti corporate no blood for oil oil painter actually became known through the BP/Amoco let's rape and pillage the middle east for our shareholders award :-) Besides, if this had any bearing whatsoever on the validity of an artists standing. Shouldn't we be collecting the winners work and not the runners up ?
great post!
Micallef has been around for far longer than two years!! quote... "He was the winner of the second prize of the BP/Amoco Portrait award 2000 at the National Portrait Gallery, London." I wish people would do a little bit of research before forking out hundreds of pound on atists work!! Ironic that Mr Anti corporate no blood for oil oil painter actually became known through the BP/Amoco let's rape and pillage the middle east for our shareholders award :-) Besides, if this had any bearing whatsoever on the validity of an artists standing. Shouldn't we be collecting the winners work and not the runners up ? great post! |
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 16:05:40 GMT 1, Kind of irrelivant Nu but i do tend to agree, not that he would have chosen the sponsors, founders or whoever!?!?!?
Im just pointing out hes not a flash in the pan artist who has accumilated a following over the last 2 years, just last two-3 years his work has taken off!
Kind of irrelivant Nu but i do tend to agree, not that he would have chosen the sponsors, founders or whoever!?!?!?
Im just pointing out hes not a flash in the pan artist who has accumilated a following over the last 2 years, just last two-3 years his work has taken off!
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 16:07:34 GMT 1, By the way who negged me? are my points not valid or worthy of debate?
By the way who negged me? are my points not valid or worthy of debate?
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Micallef LA Show..., by slowmo on Aug 17, 2007 16:08:59 GMT 1, Not a great post at all, the award was given in 2000, the anti corporate work came later, also the award is the national portrait gallery award, sponsored by BP.
Also, it would be well worth people's while to check out Victoria Russell. Quick modify, but it will not be to many's taste on this forum.
Not a great post at all, the award was given in 2000, the anti corporate work came later, also the award is the national portrait gallery award, sponsored by BP.
Also, it would be well worth people's while to check out Victoria Russell. Quick modify, but it will not be to many's taste on this forum.
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Michael Jacob
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Micallef LA Show..., by Michael Jacob on Aug 17, 2007 16:09:36 GMT 1, dave +1 from me!
dave +1 from me!
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Micallef LA Show..., by carlito on Aug 17, 2007 16:14:06 GMT 1, I'd suggest ppl do what they like with their money 
I'd suggest ppl do what they like with their money |
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Micallef LA Show..., by manchestermike on Aug 17, 2007 16:16:36 GMT 1, imo the only PRINTS in this scene worth hanging AND laying out serious cash for is Banksy ---because of his mystique. The aura of the anonymous Super Vandal that none of the other artists have. To have his signature truly means something. These other guys ie. Micallef - unless you're getting the originals, paying ridiculous money for replicas of an artist with what a 2 year track record? Absurd
Utter, utter, utter bollocks
Are you sure you're not from Malta?
That post is amongst the biggest piles of rubbish I have EVER read on this forum, and that's saying something
imo the only PRINTS in this scene worth hanging AND laying out serious cash for is Banksy ---because of his mystique. The aura of the anonymous Super Vandal that none of the other artists have. To have his signature truly means something. These other guys ie. Micallef - unless you're getting the originals, paying ridiculous money for replicas of an artist with what a 2 year track record? Absurd Utter, utter, utter boll ocks Are you sure you're not from Malta? That post is amongst the biggest piles of rubbish I have EVER read on this forum, and that's saying something |
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 16:20:44 GMT 1, Cheers for the +1, Thank god there are some people out there who aknowledged the absurdity of that post! i thought i was going mad!
Just doesnt make sense at all to me...So Neate is also not worth hanging unless you have an original?
Cheers for the +1, Thank god there are some people out there who aknowledged the absurdity of that post! i thought i was going mad!
Just doesnt make sense at all to me...So Neate is also not worth hanging unless you have an original?
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Micallef LA Show..., by Montubu7 on Aug 17, 2007 16:22:08 GMT 1, Stupid man, just stupid, next time someone will be probably slagging off Hutch, shows what they know then dont it!!!
Stupid man, just stupid, next time someone will be probably slagging off Hutch, shows what they know then dont it!!!
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 16:23:27 GMT 1, Why have you bought Micallef's then if the only work worth hanging is Banksy's??? pure investment? For an Artist Micallefs achievements are not to be snuffed at - He has achieved alot and caught the eye of many collectors, Hes no Banksy but nobody claims he is? Why is Banksy the only artist worth hanging and laying out serious cash for? you mean pureley investment wise?
Keep in mind its just my opinion...
Yes, I readily admit that I do buy some stuff from a more investment motive. I'm sure most do on this board but would not (or at least unconsciously) admit to it. Yes, I have a few of the more desirable Micallef prints that have increased in value considerably since I purchased them. For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity) - Theres something of the fact that a print is
1. a replica
2. increadibly cheap to produce
3. and probably most important of all - THE LACK OF THE ARTISTS ORIGINAL CREATIVE PROCESS. Put it this way, whatever you're into (ie. sneakers/bags whatever) would you pay a large sum of money for a knockoff?
and before the negs pour in - the issue is the PRICE of prints in this scene...
Why have you bought Micallef's then if the only work worth hanging is Banksy's??? pure investment? For an Artist Micallefs achievements are not to be snuffed at - He has achieved alot and caught the eye of many collectors, Hes no Banksy but nobody claims he is? Why is Banksy the only artist worth hanging and laying out serious cash for? you mean pureley investment wise? Keep in mind its just my opinion... Yes, I readily admit that I do buy some stuff from a more investment motive. I'm sure most do on this board but would not (or at least unconsciously) admit to it. Yes, I have a few of the more desirable Micallef prints that have increased in value considerably since I purchased them. For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity) - Theres something of the fact that a print is 1. a replica 2. increadibly cheap to produce 3. and probably most important of all - THE LACK OF THE ARTISTS ORIGINAL CREATIVE PROCESS. Put it this way, whatever you're into (ie. sneakers/bags whatever) would you pay a large sum of money for a knockoff? and before the negs pour in - the issue is the PRICE of prints in this scene... |
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Micallef LA Show..., by carlito on Aug 17, 2007 16:29:28 GMT 1, we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints...
we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints...
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Micallef LA Show..., by manchestermike on Aug 17, 2007 16:37:28 GMT 1, we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints...
Exactly
we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints... Exactly |
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Micallef LA Show..., by dave313perry on Aug 17, 2007 16:38:49 GMT 1, And the respect drops like a sack of shit! nevermind aye we liev in a virtual world!
Bored now so going to pub to slag people off to their face! 
And the respect drops like a sack of shit! nevermind aye we liev in a virtual world! Bored now so going to pub to slag people off to their face! |
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Micallef LA Show..., by manchestermike on Aug 17, 2007 16:40:26 GMT 1, For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity)
Not the image? Not the meaning?
For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity) Not the image? Not the meaning? |
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 16:46:29 GMT 1, For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity) Not the image? Not the meaning?
should read the post fully before commenting - the main issue I have with prints is the absurd prices...
For me to hang a print (no I'm not being snobby here) it would have to have special appeal (ie. Banksy anonymity) Not the image? Not the meaning? should read the post fully before commenting - the main issue I have with prints is the absurd prices... |
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Micallef LA Show..., by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 17, 2007 16:47:38 GMT 1, we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints...
read the post first - I have said banksy prints have "merit"...
we're on a Banksy forum, nearly all of us have only every bought Banksy prints and yet we're back again discussing the merits of prints... read the post first - I have said banksy prints have "merit"... |
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Micallef LA Show..., by carlito on Aug 17, 2007 16:51:46 GMT 1, read my sentence... my post states the 'merits of prints' as an open ended statement...not specifically Bansky's
I'm off to get some dodgy rum based cocktails in my system Wa Heyyy!
read my sentence... my post states the 'merits of prints' as an open ended statement...not specifically Bansky's
I'm off to get some dodgy rum based cocktails in my system Wa Heyyy!
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Micallef LA Show..., by manchestermike on Aug 17, 2007 17:03:13 GMT 1, Not the image? Not the meaning? should read the post fully before commenting - the main issue I have with prints is the absurd prices...
I read that part too, I was (am) commenting on this part.
Prices are a lot, but in the scheme of the art world they're small-fry
Not the image? Not the meaning? should read the post fully before commenting - the main issue I have with prints is the absurd prices... I read that part too, I was (am) commenting on this part. Prices are a lot, but in the scheme of the art world they're small-fry |
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Micallef LA Show..., by numusic on Aug 17, 2007 17:33:46 GMT 1, Kind of irrelivant Nu but i do tend to agree, not that he would have chosen the sponsors, founders or whoever!?!?!? Im just pointing out hes not a flash in the pan artist who has accumilated a following over the last 2 years, just last two-3 years his work has taken off!
yeah i know, was just messing.
Kind of irrelivant Nu but i do tend to agree, not that he would have chosen the sponsors, founders or whoever!?!?!? Im just pointing out hes not a flash in the pan artist who has accumilated a following over the last 2 years, just last two-3 years his work has taken off! yeah i know, was just messing. |
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Micallef LA Show..., by collector on Aug 17, 2007 17:34:12 GMT 1, Collector - how come you dont see the point in a 20 colour screen?
Because most 'high number of inks' silkscreens are basically trying to be 'photorealistic'. If you want 'photorealistic' you may as well go to litho, Giclรฉe or even traditional photographic stock. The 'Haywain with Cruise missiles' by Peter Kennard on Black Rat Press is a good example, nice print but I think the 20 colours is a bit over the top.
Collector - how come you dont see the point in a 20 colour screen? Because most 'high number of inks' silkscreens are basically trying to be 'photorealistic'. If you want 'photorealistic' you may as well go to litho, Giclรฉe or even traditional photographic stock. The 'Haywain with Cruise missiles' by Peter Kennard on Black Rat Press is a good example, nice print but I think the 20 colours is a bit over the top. |
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