aginghippie
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 211
๐๐ป 0
December 2007
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by aginghippie on Apr 15, 2008 22:53:07 GMT 1, i disagree your selling at a profit not straight away sure but how long is long enough to not be a flipper Typically about two years, the gallery expects you to have faith in the artist or why did you buy it? Any shorter time and the gallery will be very upset if you dump it in an auction without talking to them.
If you want to flip art buy from secondary dealers or auctions *do not* buy from primary galleries unless you want to get blacklisted.
i disagree your selling at a profit not straight away sure but how long is long enough to not be a flipper Typically about two years, the gallery expects you to have faith in the artist or why did you buy it? Any shorter time and the gallery will be very upset if you dump it in an auction without talking to them. If you want to flip art buy from secondary dealers or auctions *do not* buy from primary galleries unless you want to get blacklisted.
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by dh on Apr 15, 2008 22:57:14 GMT 1, The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay.
The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay.
|
|
EHC
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 366
๐๐ป 13
October 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by EHC on Apr 15, 2008 23:01:58 GMT 1, The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay.
Pretty sure that they are referring to originals so if you sold a unique piece, it'd be obvious who had it.
The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay. Pretty sure that they are referring to originals so if you sold a unique piece, it'd be obvious who had it.
|
|
moleman
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,866
๐๐ป 0
March 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by moleman on Apr 15, 2008 23:03:57 GMT 1, dont get me wrong i dont agree with flippin a few weeks after you have a print i have art on my walls at home some originals most prints but i think putting a time line on a print from a gallery is silly what if you lose your job ( bit exstream) but what your not getting is that the bigboys buy and keep because they can afford it not always because they like it and i can garrentee that if they were to sell something within 2 years they would not be black listed that would not be good buisness sense. And would they mind you flipping other artist and galleries so that you could buy a butterflies from nick walkler on thursday. i dont think so they want your bussnes i may be wrong i just think selling out to big wigs sure but dont hang them on there walls and dont push in the que because some people have waited all day for the opertunity to see them and are greatfull and dont think it is there right
dont get me wrong i dont agree with flippin a few weeks after you have a print i have art on my walls at home some originals most prints but i think putting a time line on a print from a gallery is silly what if you lose your job ( bit exstream) but what your not getting is that the bigboys buy and keep because they can afford it not always because they like it and i can garrentee that if they were to sell something within 2 years they would not be black listed that would not be good buisness sense. And would they mind you flipping other artist and galleries so that you could buy a butterflies from nick walkler on thursday. i dont think so they want your bussnes i may be wrong i just think selling out to big wigs sure but dont hang them on there walls and dont push in the que because some people have waited all day for the opertunity to see them and are greatfull and dont think it is there right
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by dave313perry on Apr 15, 2008 23:13:22 GMT 1, The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay.
until the new owner tries to authenticate it
The gallerys cannot prove it if the number is covered up as with most of the art on ebay. until the new owner tries to authenticate it
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by dave313perry on Apr 15, 2008 23:13:53 GMT 1, dont get me wrong i dont agree with flippin a few weeks after you have a print i have art on my walls at home some originals most prints but i think putting a time line on a print from a gallery is silly what if you lose your job ( bit exstream) but what your not getting is that the bigboys buy and keep because they can afford it not always because they like it and i can garrentee that if they were to sell something within 2 years they would not be black listed that would not be good buisness sense. And would they mind you flipping other artist and galleries so that you could buy a butterflies from nick walkler on thursday. i dont think so they want your bussnes i may be wrong i just think selling out to big wigs sure but dont hang them on there walls and dont push in the que because some people have waited all day for the opertunity to see them and are greatfull and dont think it is there right
and i thought my speeling was bad
dont get me wrong i dont agree with flippin a few weeks after you have a print i have art on my walls at home some originals most prints but i think putting a time line on a print from a gallery is silly what if you lose your job ( bit exstream) but what your not getting is that the bigboys buy and keep because they can afford it not always because they like it and i can garrentee that if they were to sell something within 2 years they would not be black listed that would not be good buisness sense. And would they mind you flipping other artist and galleries so that you could buy a butterflies from nick walkler on thursday. i dont think so they want your bussnes i may be wrong i just think selling out to big wigs sure but dont hang them on there walls and dont push in the que because some people have waited all day for the opertunity to see them and are greatfull and dont think it is there right and i thought my speeling was bad
|
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by themightyreds on Apr 15, 2008 23:18:15 GMT 1, wonder if BRP could post on this thread to clear up exactly how many prints and originals have gone already...? be nice to know what the odds are before people take a day off work to try the queue...
wonder if BRP could post on this thread to clear up exactly how many prints and originals have gone already...? be nice to know what the odds are before people take a day off work to try the queue...
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by dh on Apr 15, 2008 23:18:43 GMT 1, As usual the thread is way off the topic. So who wants a canvas?
As usual the thread is way off the topic. So who wants a canvas?
|
|
jonvespa
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 858
๐๐ป 204
December 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by jonvespa on Apr 15, 2008 23:20:31 GMT 1, sounds like these galleries in the UK (some in the US as well) need to take heed from JONATHAN LEVINE GALLERY in new york who makes a list (in the order received) of people interested in a show....they post a secret link and call the list starting at the first name they had until all the pieces are sold. if there are 40 pieces and 100 people on the list, you MIGHT not get an opportunity to buy a piece if you are #86.
for example, say i was #30 for the jeff soto show. i would get to choose from whatever pieces are left (whether it be a $30,000 or $3000 piece) after #1-29 are called. i purchased a shep faery piece like this from the gallery...and passed on a few soto pieces.
they have no idea if i am worth thousands or millions, as long as my card works, they are happy...thats the way it should be.
jon
sounds like these galleries in the UK (some in the US as well) need to take heed from JONATHAN LEVINE GALLERY in new york who makes a list (in the order received) of people interested in a show....they post a secret link and call the list starting at the first name they had until all the pieces are sold. if there are 40 pieces and 100 people on the list, you MIGHT not get an opportunity to buy a piece if you are #86.
for example, say i was #30 for the jeff soto show. i would get to choose from whatever pieces are left (whether it be a $30,000 or $3000 piece) after #1-29 are called. i purchased a shep faery piece like this from the gallery...and passed on a few soto pieces.
they have no idea if i am worth thousands or millions, as long as my card works, they are happy...thats the way it should be.
jon
|
|
robinbanks
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,319
๐๐ป 2
October 2007
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by robinbanks on Apr 15, 2008 23:23:14 GMT 1, laceyd - I mentioned it earlier on this thread but... read this book - Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. It explains how everything works from the collectors, the dealers, the gallerists, even the the flippers point of view. Very good read, very informative.
Just don't get buying/selling prints confused with buying/selling originals - they are two very different things.
laceyd - I mentioned it earlier on this thread but... read this book - Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. It explains how everything works from the collectors, the dealers, the gallerists, even the the flippers point of view. Very good read, very informative.
Just don't get buying/selling prints confused with buying/selling originals - they are two very different things.
|
|
moleman
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,866
๐๐ป 0
March 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by moleman on Apr 15, 2008 23:29:06 GMT 1, your right definatley as i say its all about the ยฃ at the end of the day either on the day or over time money to money. I could afford a walker original but i cant afford to keep it for 5 or ten years so i wont get it,
The only way i could afford to keep one is to get one sell it and with the profit get one i really want to keep you see what im saying, i would be seen as flipper scum but yet i am funding the gallery the artist and making my collection bigger and better. What i am saying is hard to grasp and perhaps its late and i fancy a go at devils advocate i like nick walker and look forward to his show i hope its just not let down by pushing in and time wasters
your right definatley as i say its all about the ยฃ at the end of the day either on the day or over time money to money. I could afford a walker original but i cant afford to keep it for 5 or ten years so i wont get it,
The only way i could afford to keep one is to get one sell it and with the profit get one i really want to keep you see what im saying, i would be seen as flipper scum but yet i am funding the gallery the artist and making my collection bigger and better. What i am saying is hard to grasp and perhaps its late and i fancy a go at devils advocate i like nick walker and look forward to his show i hope its just not let down by pushing in and time wasters
|
|
moleman
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,866
๐๐ป 0
March 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by moleman on Apr 15, 2008 23:32:44 GMT 1, thanks will check out that book and hope to get a future classic original at some point who ever it may be
thanks will check out that book and hope to get a future classic original at some point who ever it may be
|
|
Art-el
Art Gallery
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,708
๐๐ป 5
May 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by Art-el on Apr 16, 2008 0:37:46 GMT 1, yeah, i guess thats the way everything is going now, the people that will be spending the big bucks are the people that bid on auctions, and raise the profile of the artists, nw is one of the best examples of this but he has worked hard and deserves his success what i would say is that santas ghetto was particularly refreshing, no elitism or presales, if u could get urself over there then that was all that mattered
its a load of arse
u can only buy a canvas if u have s**t loads of cash, overpricing of prints, nick canceling forum members commissions
sell out
So Graham could you clarify your position as I'm slightly confused as at 4.04pm In your words NW is a sell out, and your weilding other peoples beef about BUT openly commenting you know little of the facts.
Then less than 2 hours later you post ''he has worked hard and deserves his success''
So which is it dude?
Today at 12:13pm, darjeeling wrote: Yesterday at 6:30pm, cheeky007 wrote: I seriously doubt that will happen imo. Like has already been said a few times in this thread, Nicks sudden popularity is in part down to the, much more accessible than the work he has produced before, Vandal series.
...yeah ok, but seriously let's not overlook his sudden popularity is much more so based on the fact that his lame ass moona lisa sold for a billion dollars at Bonhams because some idiot thought it was a Banksy.
His TMA gimmick has gotten old right quick don't ya think? It was an ok image to begin with but it's not the show stopper you guys are acting like it is. He's going to run out of things to paint rainbow streaks on pretty soon anyway.
There have been some seriously ill informed posts on this and other threads.
I'll try to address each nonsense in turn -
To label TMA series a gimmick is laughable. Does that make Banksy's Rat's and his and Warhols cans a gimmick. There are numerous such like 'Gimmick's' woven into the fabric of art historyl if thats the case. I won't go on.
I guess by the same token Micallefs career is f**ked if we're going down the 'Rainbow logic!!..' route?
As for Bonhams and the Moona being bought by some bonus eyed fool from the city your wrong, the underbidders were both very knowledgable and respected in the street art genre
As for all this b**ching by those so say 'about to pull the trigger' on a peice of Nick's is laughable, the only reason that 75% of people on are whining is purely down to, money and greed and that print x is now worth x ammount more than it was pre Bonhams & LA.
I appreciate that there are a lot of people new to Nick's work who are now unable to buy a piece down to the mad prices.
Let's not kid ourselves though folks that this is something that's not happened overnight, for years now Nick has repped himself after splitting from Scrawl collective and has produced a body of work that is comparable to many lauded names dead or alive in the street art world.
Banksy called him an enigma and if anyone's held him back then it's POW who (from the numerous works that people are salivatting over) only chose to do his worst reworking of The Mona Lisa and one of his worst images, very strange as they are the leading/most trumpeted printhouse's with it's routes in graff. Oh sorry they did do a black Marge Simpson! WTF
There were many who new that Bristol had the TWO of best stencil/graff artists in our midst. For those with short memories or the inability to look past the end of your nose, just take time out of your bitter vision and read Nick's bio (see below). A man who has grafted his way to the top, his work well respected amongst his peers and a very nice gent.
Bristol born artist Nick Walker emerged from the now infamous & ground breaking Wild Bunch/Bristol Sound scene of the early 1980โs. It was from the artistic element that spawned Nick aka Ego.
It was over two decades ago, when the baby faced B-Boy was in his mid teens, he walked into the Arnolfini Gallery, Bristol and walked out with an agreement with them to host a group graffiti show. He conceptualized, curated & exhibited work within this breakthrough exhibition, simply titled โGraffiti Art in Bristolโ, and featured the work of 3D, Z- Boys, Fade, Jaffa, Pride and Scot Stevens. This was one of the first times in the UK that street work had been given a legitimate showcase from the outside in.
This elevated Nick from โVandalโ (a recurring theme in his work to date) to Artist and created opportunities for him to paint the film sets of movies ranging from Judge Dredd to Hackers, B-Monkey and Stanley Kubrick's, Eyes Wide Shut. It was during this brief move away from street work that he shed his infamous EGO tag and re-emerged as Nick Walker the Apish Angel.
As a forerunner to Banksy and the now mainstream British stencil/graffiti phenomenon, he has always been a pioneer of his field. Constantly evolving and pushing the boundaries of traditional graffiti by combining intricate stencil images with his conventional freehand methods, his work has always been without fear of being pigeon holed and always remains artistically landscaped, constantly innovative and thought provoking. In more recent years his distinctive style has effortlessly made the transition from world streets to gallery walls leading to him show his work worldwide by taking part in solo and group shows in London, Canada, Tokyo, Berlin, Taiwan and numerous venues in the US. He has featured in numerous publications, and features heavily in books written by graffโs sage Tristan Mankoโs
His highly acclaimed 2006 Bristol show titled โThe Art of Nick Walkerโ took a retrospective look at his work from 1994 to present. This was quickly followed up by the release of his piece titled โThe Moona Lisaโ which stole the show at POWโs annual shin-dig, โSantaโs Ghettoโ. The old girl even getting her โcheeksโ out on the BBCโs coverage of the event for News Night. Having conceived and cut this the latest of subversions of the โworlds most famous portraitโ, Nick painted the image for the first time at the Nuart, music and Art festival (โ06) held in Stavanger, Norway each September. The execution of the piece was caught on film and has received over 40,000 views on You Tube.
As well as the sold out โTo have and To Holdโ show at The Wonderful Workshop in Bristol, 2007 has also seen his editions sell out at the Randall-Scott Gallery in Washington DC and feature in the โFoundโ show at the Leonard Street Gallery, London. Autumn 2007 will see him exhibit what he himself has referred to as his โhardest & most time consuming body of work to dateโ in London. 2008 sees Nick kicking off with his first solo show in Los Angeles at the Carmichael gallery in February.
Nick continues to be hugely popular in the UK and worldwide. The true gent of the street art scene (yes, way before it went showbiz!); ladies and gents, I give you Nick Walker aka The Apish Angel and man of many hats!
yeah, i guess thats the way everything is going now, the people that will be spending the big bucks are the people that bid on auctions, and raise the profile of the artists, nw is one of the best examples of this but he has worked hard and deserves his success what i would say is that santas ghetto was particularly refreshing, no elitism or presales, if u could get urself over there then that was all that mattered its a load of arse u can only buy a canvas if u have s**t loads of cash, overpricing of prints, nick canceling forum members commissions sell out So Graham could you clarify your position as I'm slightly confused as at 4.04pm In your words NW is a sell out, and your weilding other peoples beef about BUT openly commenting you know little of the facts. Then less than 2 hours later you post ''he has worked hard and deserves his success'' So which is it dude? Today at 12:13pm, darjeeling wrote: Yesterday at 6:30pm, cheeky007 wrote: I seriously doubt that will happen imo. Like has already been said a few times in this thread, Nicks sudden popularity is in part down to the, much more accessible than the work he has produced before, Vandal series. ...yeah ok, but seriously let's not overlook his sudden popularity is much more so based on the fact that his lame ass moona lisa sold for a billion dollars at Bonhams because some idiot thought it was a Banksy. His TMA gimmick has gotten old right quick don't ya think? It was an ok image to begin with but it's not the show stopper you guys are acting like it is. He's going to run out of things to paint rainbow streaks on pretty soon anyway. There have been some seriously ill informed posts on this and other threads. I'll try to address each nonsense in turn - To label TMA series a gimmick is laughable. Does that make Banksy's Rat's and his and Warhols cans a gimmick. There are numerous such like 'Gimmick's' woven into the fabric of art historyl if thats the case. I won't go on. I guess by the same token Micallefs career is f**ked if we're going down the 'Rainbow logic!!..' route? As for Bonhams and the Moona being bought by some bonus eyed fool from the city your wrong, the underbidders were both very knowledgable and respected in the street art genre As for all this b**ching by those so say 'about to pull the trigger' on a peice of Nick's is laughable, the only reason that 75% of people on are whining is purely down to, money and greed and that print x is now worth x ammount more than it was pre Bonhams & LA. I appreciate that there are a lot of people new to Nick's work who are now unable to buy a piece down to the mad prices. Let's not kid ourselves though folks that this is something that's not happened overnight, for years now Nick has repped himself after splitting from Scrawl collective and has produced a body of work that is comparable to many lauded names dead or alive in the street art world. Banksy called him an enigma and if anyone's held him back then it's POW who (from the numerous works that people are salivatting over) only chose to do his worst reworking of The Mona Lisa and one of his worst images, very strange as they are the leading/most trumpeted printhouse's with it's routes in graff. Oh sorry they did do a black Marge Simpson! WTF There were many who new that Bristol had the TWO of best stencil/graff artists in our midst. For those with short memories or the inability to look past the end of your nose, just take time out of your bitter vision and read Nick's bio (see below). A man who has grafted his way to the top, his work well respected amongst his peers and a very nice gent. Bristol born artist Nick Walker emerged from the now infamous & ground breaking Wild Bunch/Bristol Sound scene of the early 1980โs. It was from the artistic element that spawned Nick aka Ego. It was over two decades ago, when the baby faced B-Boy was in his mid teens, he walked into the Arnolfini Gallery, Bristol and walked out with an agreement with them to host a group graffiti show. He conceptualized, curated & exhibited work within this breakthrough exhibition, simply titled โGraffiti Art in Bristolโ, and featured the work of 3D, Z- Boys, Fade, Jaffa, Pride and Scot Stevens. This was one of the first times in the UK that street work had been given a legitimate showcase from the outside in. This elevated Nick from โVandalโ (a recurring theme in his work to date) to Artist and created opportunities for him to paint the film sets of movies ranging from Judge Dredd to Hackers, B-Monkey and Stanley Kubrick's, Eyes Wide Shut. It was during this brief move away from street work that he shed his infamous EGO tag and re-emerged as Nick Walker the Apish Angel. As a forerunner to Banksy and the now mainstream British stencil/graffiti phenomenon, he has always been a pioneer of his field. Constantly evolving and pushing the boundaries of traditional graffiti by combining intricate stencil images with his conventional freehand methods, his work has always been without fear of being pigeon holed and always remains artistically landscaped, constantly innovative and thought provoking. In more recent years his distinctive style has effortlessly made the transition from world streets to gallery walls leading to him show his work worldwide by taking part in solo and group shows in London, Canada, Tokyo, Berlin, Taiwan and numerous venues in the US. He has featured in numerous publications, and features heavily in books written by graffโs sage Tristan Mankoโs His highly acclaimed 2006 Bristol show titled โThe Art of Nick Walkerโ took a retrospective look at his work from 1994 to present. This was quickly followed up by the release of his piece titled โThe Moona Lisaโ which stole the show at POWโs annual shin-dig, โSantaโs Ghettoโ. The old girl even getting her โcheeksโ out on the BBCโs coverage of the event for News Night. Having conceived and cut this the latest of subversions of the โworlds most famous portraitโ, Nick painted the image for the first time at the Nuart, music and Art festival (โ06) held in Stavanger, Norway each September. The execution of the piece was caught on film and has received over 40,000 views on You Tube. As well as the sold out โTo have and To Holdโ show at The Wonderful Workshop in Bristol, 2007 has also seen his editions sell out at the Randall-Scott Gallery in Washington DC and feature in the โFoundโ show at the Leonard Street Gallery, London. Autumn 2007 will see him exhibit what he himself has referred to as his โhardest & most time consuming body of work to dateโ in London. 2008 sees Nick kicking off with his first solo show in Los Angeles at the Carmichael gallery in February. Nick continues to be hugely popular in the UK and worldwide. The true gent of the street art scene (yes, way before it went showbiz!); ladies and gents, I give you Nick Walker aka The Apish Angel and man of many hats!
|
|
dmandpenfold
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,466
๐๐ป 10
December 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by dmandpenfold on Apr 16, 2008 10:12:51 GMT 1, romanywg I agree mate, but thats also my point how do you get to be a good customer if you never get the oppotunity to buy? Contact the gallery well before the show... pester, talk, talk more, ask to be on the pre-preview list, pester some more, join the waiting list, talk more... etc
Yep and if you spend serious money on art or a particular artist the gallery will no doubt covet you as a good customer and do as much as it can to tempt you back each time, it makes commercial sense and after all most galleries are commercial enterprises.
romanywg I agree mate, but thats also my point how do you get to be a good customer if you never get the oppotunity to buy? Contact the gallery well before the show... pester, talk, talk more, ask to be on the pre-preview list, pester some more, join the waiting list, talk more... etc Yep and if you spend serious money on art or a particular artist the gallery will no doubt covet you as a good customer and do as much as it can to tempt you back each time, it makes commercial sense and after all most galleries are commercial enterprises.
|
|
|
funyoung
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,040
๐๐ป 20
February 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by funyoung on Apr 16, 2008 13:44:00 GMT 1, I'd like to. I have a job that stops me being in London tomorrow. I cannot afford to buy other works just to be seen as a better customer. Does this make me less of a fan?
I'd like to. I have a job that stops me being in London tomorrow. I cannot afford to buy other works just to be seen as a better customer. Does this make me less of a fan?
|
|
pezlow
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,388
๐๐ป 254
January 2007
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by pezlow on Apr 16, 2008 15:04:15 GMT 1, I may not be the biggest Nick Walker fan (although I do like some of it) but I have to say some of the bile directed towards him and BRP on this thread and others is unacceptable. People need to get a grip.
Nick's a nice guy who has done well for himself and and is only trying to do the best for himself and his family and those people who have been supporting his work for a while longer than 5 February 2008.
I may not be the biggest Nick Walker fan (although I do like some of it) but I have to say some of the bile directed towards him and BRP on this thread and others is unacceptable. People need to get a grip.
Nick's a nice guy who has done well for himself and and is only trying to do the best for himself and his family and those people who have been supporting his work for a while longer than 5 February 2008.
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by jonpud on Apr 16, 2008 15:05:51 GMT 1, I may not be the biggest Nick Walker fan (although I do like some of it) but I have to say some of the bile directed towards him and BRP on this thread and others is unacceptable. People need to get a grip. Nick's a nice guy who has done well for himself and and is only trying to do the best for himself and his family and those people who have been supporting his work for a while longer than 5 February 2008.
Nice one Pez!
I may not be the biggest Nick Walker fan (although I do like some of it) but I have to say some of the bile directed towards him and BRP on this thread and others is unacceptable. People need to get a grip. Nick's a nice guy who has done well for himself and and is only trying to do the best for himself and his family and those people who have been supporting his work for a while longer than 5 February 2008. Nice one Pez!
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by ricosg11 on Apr 16, 2008 15:17:24 GMT 1, it seems to be that money talks, which is a bit s**t really i agree that friends and that should be allowed in early, people who have helped the gallery ect ... but just because u have a bit of cash shouldnt allow u to jump the que, it kinda goes against the whole principle of street art
Since art, at its ugliest, really is just an unregulated stock market its pretty obvious that those who have (built) relationships with galleries will be their first choice to sell to. Not some guy who just read an article in the paper with an 8 figure income.
I feel the US galleries do a much better job of protecting their artists by being selective of buyers. There are lots of stories of Brits with unending amounts of money who are turned down by amercan galleries and artists. Although I will say that it seems like a lot of the Euro galleries are getting better at being more selective.
It all comes down to galleries knowing who is a speculator and who is a collector.
it seems to be that money talks, which is a bit s**t really i agree that friends and that should be allowed in early, people who have helped the gallery ect ... but just because u have a bit of cash shouldnt allow u to jump the que, it kinda goes against the whole principle of street art Since art, at its ugliest, really is just an unregulated stock market its pretty obvious that those who have (built) relationships with galleries will be their first choice to sell to. Not some guy who just read an article in the paper with an 8 figure income. I feel the US galleries do a much better job of protecting their artists by being selective of buyers. There are lots of stories of Brits with unending amounts of money who are turned down by amercan galleries and artists. Although I will say that it seems like a lot of the Euro galleries are getting better at being more selective. It all comes down to galleries knowing who is a speculator and who is a collector.
|
|
Zippy
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 6,811
๐๐ป 2,639
April 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by Zippy on Apr 16, 2008 16:02:44 GMT 1, I cant believe some of the stuff i've read on here.
Nick is a great guy and doesnt deserve the bashing he is getting.
BRP do a great job. There prints are of the highest quality and their customer service is second to none.
I am not in a privileged position to buy before tomorrow night but if I had bought originals from BP before and was a preferred buyer, I would not expect them to blank me to sell to someone in the Q. I would think I am a big supporter of thiers so I deserve to have first option.
There is too much hate and bitterness directed towards great artists and great printhouses. This forum is breeding a 'new collector' who feels they deserve to get every new release and failing to do so, they launch a scathing attack on BRP and POW.
I cant believe some of the stuff i've read on here.
Nick is a great guy and doesnt deserve the bashing he is getting.
BRP do a great job. There prints are of the highest quality and their customer service is second to none.
I am not in a privileged position to buy before tomorrow night but if I had bought originals from BP before and was a preferred buyer, I would not expect them to blank me to sell to someone in the Q. I would think I am a big supporter of thiers so I deserve to have first option.
There is too much hate and bitterness directed towards great artists and great printhouses. This forum is breeding a 'new collector' who feels they deserve to get every new release and failing to do so, they launch a scathing attack on BRP and POW.
|
|
thinkbank
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 230
๐๐ป 0
March 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by thinkbank on Apr 16, 2008 17:00:31 GMT 1, get famous, get yourself an agent,
get the agent to call the gallery a week before the opening and say that you are huge fan and interested in buying some work.
then call them yourself and boost the galleries egos so they can tell everyone that you personally called them for a chat.
walk in with agent a couple of days before the show, meet Nick and get a red sticker placed next to the piece you fancy. If your too busy, get an 'expert' to pick out a few pieces for you
No doubt they will hang in your empty house in LA until you get bored of them...
ps this does not apply to reality TV stars....
get famous, get yourself an agent,
get the agent to call the gallery a week before the opening and say that you are huge fan and interested in buying some work.
then call them yourself and boost the galleries egos so they can tell everyone that you personally called them for a chat.
walk in with agent a couple of days before the show, meet Nick and get a red sticker placed next to the piece you fancy. If your too busy, get an 'expert' to pick out a few pieces for you
No doubt they will hang in your empty house in LA until you get bored of them...
ps this does not apply to reality TV stars....
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by onemandown72 on Apr 16, 2008 17:14:33 GMT 1, Totally agree with Zippy. This should be about trust and building relationships with the galleries, at every level. Any collector who has been buying an artists work, from early on in their career has every right to view new work, and have the opportunity to buy and continue their collection before newer fans. This is the only way it should work. Whilst there is this mass hysteria going on, Nick's work like many other current and past artists remained unsold for a long time, at highly affordable prices. Why the fuss now, clearly it's again down to both money and the desire to say "look at me, I've got an XXXXX on my wall, haven't I got my finger on the pulse" Learn a lesson if you miss out this time and look at what is new and fresh that you like and then if said artist makes it, you can share in their success. If they don't - so what you've got art that you like
Totally agree with Zippy. This should be about trust and building relationships with the galleries, at every level. Any collector who has been buying an artists work, from early on in their career has every right to view new work, and have the opportunity to buy and continue their collection before newer fans. This is the only way it should work. Whilst there is this mass hysteria going on, Nick's work like many other current and past artists remained unsold for a long time, at highly affordable prices. Why the fuss now, clearly it's again down to both money and the desire to say "look at me, I've got an XXXXX on my wall, haven't I got my finger on the pulse" Learn a lesson if you miss out this time and look at what is new and fresh that you like and then if said artist makes it, you can share in their success. If they don't - so what you've got art that you like
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by ricosg11 on Apr 16, 2008 18:34:51 GMT 1, Totally agree with Zippy. This should be about trust and building relationships with the galleries, at every level. Any collector who has been buying an artists work, from early on in their career has every right to view new work, and have the opportunity to buy and continue their collection before newer fans. This is the only way it should work. Whilst there is this mass hysteria going on, Nick's work like many other current and past artists remained unsold for a long time, at highly affordable prices. Why the fuss now, clearly it's again down to both money and the desire to say "look at me, I've got an XXXXX on my wall, haven't I got my finger on the pulse" Learn a lesson if you miss out this time and look at what is new and fresh that you like and then if said artist makes it, you can share in their success. If they don't - so what you've got art that you like
right on, and Ill also say the Mike and Sarah are great people, and great for the art world. Black Rat Press is a wonderful establishment.
Totally agree with Zippy. This should be about trust and building relationships with the galleries, at every level. Any collector who has been buying an artists work, from early on in their career has every right to view new work, and have the opportunity to buy and continue their collection before newer fans. This is the only way it should work. Whilst there is this mass hysteria going on, Nick's work like many other current and past artists remained unsold for a long time, at highly affordable prices. Why the fuss now, clearly it's again down to both money and the desire to say "look at me, I've got an XXXXX on my wall, haven't I got my finger on the pulse" Learn a lesson if you miss out this time and look at what is new and fresh that you like and then if said artist makes it, you can share in their success. If they don't - so what you've got art that you like right on, and Ill also say the Mike and Sarah are great people, and great for the art world. Black Rat Press is a wonderful establishment.
|
|
|
|
rcab11
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 356
๐๐ป 0
April 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by rcab11 on Apr 16, 2008 18:53:20 GMT 1, You are right on, Pez. He spoke to my girlfriend and myself for a bit at the opening in L.A. and was a stand up guy and pleasure to meet.
You are right on, Pez. He spoke to my girlfriend and myself for a bit at the opening in L.A. and was a stand up guy and pleasure to meet.
|
|
Cocteau 101
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,508
๐๐ป 1,227
January 2007
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 16, 2008 18:59:12 GMT 1, Just to let everyone know something here.
Nick who must be manic at the moment sent me the following email yesterday.
" Thanks - kind words."
Cheers
Nick
Did he need to bother, did he fuck but he did or got someone to answer his mail. This on a day when he has probably got loads on etc etc. Everyone givint it some needs to wind their necks in and calm down. Devisiveness is not required here for fucks sake.
Just to let everyone know something here.
Nick who must be manic at the moment sent me the following email yesterday.
" Thanks - kind words."
Cheers
Nick
Did he need to bother, did he fuck but he did or got someone to answer his mail. This on a day when he has probably got loads on etc etc. Everyone givint it some needs to wind their necks in and calm down. Devisiveness is not required here for fucks sake.
|
|
thinkbank
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 230
๐๐ป 0
March 2008
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by thinkbank on Apr 16, 2008 19:45:17 GMT 1, Just to let everyone know something here. Nick who must be manic at the moment sent me the following email yesterday. " Thanks - kind words." Cheers Nick Did he need to bother, did he f**k but he did or got someone to answer his mail. This on a day when he has probably got loads on etc etc. Everyone givint it some needs to wind their necks in and calm down. Devisiveness is not required here for f**ks sake.
if you knew how busy he was, why did you email him!!!
only joking, a decent chap and deserves all he gets. the fact everyone is talking about him says its all.
long may the vandal live.
Just to let everyone know something here. Nick who must be manic at the moment sent me the following email yesterday. " Thanks - kind words." Cheers Nick Did he need to bother, did he f**k but he did or got someone to answer his mail. This on a day when he has probably got loads on etc etc. Everyone givint it some needs to wind their necks in and calm down. Devisiveness is not required here for f**ks sake. if you knew how busy he was, why did you email him!!! only joking, a decent chap and deserves all he gets. the fact everyone is talking about him says its all. long may the vandal live.
|
|
ABC
Artist
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,533
๐๐ป 1,923
August 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by ABC on Apr 16, 2008 20:31:37 GMT 1, it seems to be that money talks, which is a bit s**t really i agree that friends and that should be allowed in early, people who have helped the gallery ect ... but just because u have a bit of cash shouldnt allow u to jump the que, it kinda goes against the whole principle of street art
It's still a business at the end of the day and all good galleries have a client list, thats how they operate. Mike is a fair person and I'm sure if you was a loyal customer in the past then you will have no problem in getting a work, why should he sell to any Tom, Dick or Harry from the street, more than likely the sort who will sell it on after a week.
it seems to be that money talks, which is a bit s**t really i agree that friends and that should be allowed in early, people who have helped the gallery ect ... but just because u have a bit of cash shouldnt allow u to jump the que, it kinda goes against the whole principle of street art It's still a business at the end of the day and all good galleries have a client list, thats how they operate. Mike is a fair person and I'm sure if you was a loyal customer in the past then you will have no problem in getting a work, why should he sell to any Tom, Dick or Harry from the street, more than likely the sort who will sell it on after a week.
|
|
sham69
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 451
๐๐ป 1
March 2007
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by sham69 on Apr 16, 2008 20:44:59 GMT 1, Am I missing something here? Sounds like the Nick Walker PR agency have gone into overdrive for this one.
How much are people going to spend? Wouldn't it be better to have a look at the art first?
Am I missing something here? Sounds like the Nick Walker PR agency have gone into overdrive for this one.
How much are people going to spend? Wouldn't it be better to have a look at the art first?
|
|
ABC
Artist
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,533
๐๐ป 1,923
August 2006
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by ABC on Apr 16, 2008 20:48:39 GMT 1, Am I missing something here? Sounds like the Nick Walker PR agency have gone into overdrive for this one. How much are people going to spend? Wouldn't it be better to have a look at the art first?
Totally agree, I wouldn't buy anything without seeing it first, that's just stupidity. I like NW's work that's why I bought a few in early 2006 but I still would not queue all night for a print.
Am I missing something here? Sounds like the Nick Walker PR agency have gone into overdrive for this one. How much are people going to spend? Wouldn't it be better to have a look at the art first? Totally agree, I wouldn't buy anything without seeing it first, that's just stupidity. I like NW's work that's why I bought a few in early 2006 but I still would not queue all night for a print.
|
|
|
Nick Walker show, Who will be buying a canvas?, by arcam on Apr 16, 2008 20:53:10 GMT 1, Totally agree, I wouldn't buy anything without seeing it first, that's just stupidity. I like NW's work that's why I bought a few in early 2006 but I still would not queue all night for a print. I really wish BRP would release images of the prints to be released online, before we spend a morning trying to buy one.
Totally agree, I wouldn't buy anything without seeing it first, that's just stupidity. I like NW's work that's why I bought a few in early 2006 but I still would not queue all night for a print. I really wish BRP would release images of the prints to be released online, before we spend a morning trying to buy one.
|
|