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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by alsbabar on Oct 15, 2008 14:01:02 GMT 1, If all pieces that sold were bought at primary/original cost, then each seller should be happy, because they did make a profit. For Nick Walker - it wasnt that the prices were set too high - they were simply just awful pieces, and Nick/BRP did not set the prices either, there were no classic/iconic pieces like a TMA London or Moona, which appeal to a wider audience/buyer
Dreweatts simply didnt have the right mix of clients who can withstand the current climate. Not taking anything away from them, they did a fantastic job in the scheme of things and to have around 80% of all lots sold is still very good. I am sure they will follow up with post sales enquiries.
As for some of the comments about me by the likes of graeme - the conor H canvas, was NOT submitted by me, nor is it owned by me - oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower 
If all pieces that sold were bought at primary/original cost, then each seller should be happy, because they did make a profit. For Nick Walker - it wasnt that the prices were set too high - they were simply just awful pieces, and Nick/BRP did not set the prices either, there were no classic/iconic pieces like a TMA London or Moona, which appeal to a wider audience/buyer Dreweatts simply didnt have the right mix of clients who can withstand the current climate. Not taking anything away from them, they did a fantastic job in the scheme of things and to have around 80% of all lots sold is still very good. I am sure they will follow up with post sales enquiries. As for some of the comments about me by the likes of graeme - the conor H canvas, was NOT submitted by me, nor is it owned by me - oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by wiz on Oct 15, 2008 14:05:56 GMT 1, If all pieces that sold were bought at primary/original cost, then each seller should be happy, because they did make a profit. For Nick Walker - it wasnt that the prices were set too high - they were simply just awful pieces, and Nick/BRP did not set the prices either, there were no classic/iconic pieces like a TMA London or Moona, which appeal to a wider audience/buyer Dreweatts simply didnt have the right mix of clients who can withstand the current climate. Not taking anything away from them, they did a fantastic job in the scheme of things and to have around 80% of all lots sold is still very good. I am sure they will follow up with post sales enquiries. As for some of the comments about me by the likes of graeme - the conor H canvas, was NOT submitted by me, nor is it owned by me - oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower
Yes they are taking enquiries re aftersales Alsbabar.  and congrats on the Tower.
If all pieces that sold were bought at primary/original cost, then each seller should be happy, because they did make a profit. For Nick Walker - it wasnt that the prices were set too high - they were simply just awful pieces, and Nick/BRP did not set the prices either, there were no classic/iconic pieces like a TMA London or Moona, which appeal to a wider audience/buyer Dreweatts simply didnt have the right mix of clients who can withstand the current climate. Not taking anything away from them, they did a fantastic job in the scheme of things and to have around 80% of all lots sold is still very good. I am sure they will follow up with post sales enquiries. As for some of the comments about me by the likes of graeme - the conor H canvas, was NOT submitted by me, nor is it owned by me - oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower Yes they are taking enquiries re aftersales Alsbabar. and congrats on the Tower. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by alsbabar on Oct 15, 2008 14:09:31 GMT 1, i am sure they are, so when all is told, perhaps they will sell closer to 85% of all lots
i am sure they are, so when all is told, perhaps they will sell closer to 85% of all lots
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 15, 2008 14:12:32 GMT 1, Butterfly Girl 1/1 went for Β£5k. I think the others were all passed. The huge McBeth reached Β£1.3k but didn't sell.  BG (basicaly not an original but unique print) - Β£6K My Confessions - Β£1200 Mirror, Mirror - didn't sell There was one more: Nothing Lasts Forever, 2006 Stencil spray paint on cardboard Signed and dated 2004 on reverse 15cm x 33cm Provenance: CampBarbossa This lot is accompanied by an email from Patrick McNeil (Faile) confirming its authenticity - luckily - passed. I am a Faile fan but I have to say that this last one was just taking a piss (especially with those estimates Β£3K - Β£5K) and summed up the character of the whole auction 
Yes, big faile fan as well. When something comes up @ auction you'd expect great stuff. The Bg I believe was offered up on this forum and yes its basically a unique print. I won't even comment on the cardboard rubbish. People are actually going to start paying for creativity and not specs? Imagine that!
Butterfly Girl 1/1 went for Β£5k. I think the others were all passed. The huge McBeth reached Β£1.3k but didn't sell. BG (basicaly not an original but unique print) - Β£6K My Confessions - Β£1200 Mirror, Mirror - didn't sell There was one more: Nothing Lasts Forever, 2006 Stencil spray paint on cardboard Signed and dated 2004 on reverse 15cm x 33cm Provenance: CampBarbossa This lot is accompanied by an email from Patrick McNeil (Faile) confirming its authenticity - luckily - passed. I am a Faile fan but I have to say that this last one was just taking a piss (especially with those estimates Β£3K - Β£5K) and summed up the character of the whole auction Yes, big faile fan as well. When something comes up @ auction you'd expect great stuff. The Bg I believe was offered up on this forum and yes its basically a unique print. I won't even comment on the cardboard rubbish. People are actually going to start paying for creativity and not specs? Imagine that! |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by edcase on Oct 15, 2008 14:37:36 GMT 1, .... If YOU were the artist and had seen flippers cashing in on your work wouldn't YOU have raised your prices to a reasonable level? Why watch the flippers take the profit on YOUR hard work? the thing is here, is that from a primary dealers point of a view the work should not just be sold to people who have the money or are 'in 1st'. The work should be sold to clients that want to hang the piece on their wall. If the artist and primary dealer have that plan and sell the work responsibly as opposed to 'quick' then you would not see many flippers or these pieces coming up in auction so soon. Of course you can't be 100% right all the time but you can def cut down the odds. Checks can be made.
Hear hear.
.... If YOU were the artist and had seen flippers cashing in on your work wouldn't YOU have raised your prices to a reasonable level? Why watch the flippers take the profit on YOUR hard work? the thing is here, is that from a primary dealers point of a view the work should not just be sold to people who have the money or are 'in 1st'. The work should be sold to clients that want to hang the piece on their wall. If the artist and primary dealer have that plan and sell the work responsibly as opposed to 'quick' then you would not see many flippers or these pieces coming up in auction so soon. Of course you can't be 100% right all the time but you can def cut down the odds. Checks can be made. Hear hear. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by arcam on Oct 15, 2008 14:58:30 GMT 1, Say an item sells for Β£6,000, the buyer has to pay premiums etc on top. How much would the seller get?
Say an item sells for Β£6,000, the buyer has to pay premiums etc on top. How much would the seller get?
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by stjohn on Oct 15, 2008 15:18:27 GMT 1, Don't know with Dreweatts, but sellers fees usually are:
Around 10-15% plus VAT
Any catalogue illustration fees plus VAT]
1.5% for insurance
So, lots if you don't do a deal with them...
Don't know with Dreweatts, but sellers fees usually are:
Around 10-15% plus VAT
Any catalogue illustration fees plus VAT]
1.5% for insurance
So, lots if you don't do a deal with them...
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by alsbabar on Oct 15, 2008 15:24:26 GMT 1, arcam a total of 23.5%
arcam a total of 23.5%
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by buffin on Oct 15, 2008 16:34:11 GMT 1, Just a few observations:
Dreweatts are not a bad auction house as someone previously said. They are a well respected regional auction house and I think most agreed prior to the auction that it was a pretty reasonable catalogue. No they are not in the top tier of auction houses.
I don't see any disasters in the sale for any artist. Some of the froth of the previous 12 months perhaps has now dissapated, which is no bad thing.
The Parla didn't get a second look from anyone I saw at the viewing on the preview night at Bristol. Make of that what you will.
Just a few observations:
Dreweatts are not a bad auction house as someone previously said. They are a well respected regional auction house and I think most agreed prior to the auction that it was a pretty reasonable catalogue. No they are not in the top tier of auction houses.
I don't see any disasters in the sale for any artist. Some of the froth of the previous 12 months perhaps has now dissapated, which is no bad thing.
The Parla didn't get a second look from anyone I saw at the viewing on the preview night at Bristol. Make of that what you will.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by lee3 on Oct 15, 2008 16:38:54 GMT 1, >>>the long-term impact of flooding auction houses with still-dripping art goes far beyond merely hurting 'valuations'.<<<<
I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion.
>>>When the next big auction on then?
Bonhams? Sotheby's? <<<<
Friday, October 17, 2008
Sotheby's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Evening Auction
Saturday, October 18, 2008
Phillips de Pury & Company London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Day Sale
Phillips de Pury & Company London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Evening Sale
Sunday, October 19, 2008
Christie's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Post-War & Contemporary Art Evening Sale
Monday, October 20, 2008
Sotheby's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Day Auction
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Christie's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Bonhams London
(London, United Kingdom)
Urban Art
It's weird because I can recall the days when the UK October sales were an off month. Their big ones were always February and June. Now, it seems like every auction is drooled over and analyzed. To that end, I make absolutely zero conclusions based upon yesterday's results. We'll know our answer for sure one week from now when the auctions above take place (and we'll have a STRONG indication by Sunday night when the evening sales have concluded at Christie's and Sotheby's.) On the one hand, I've been expecting this bubble to burst for just about 4 years now. On the other hand, part of me wonders if the melt down in equity markets world wide leads to a continuation of the contemporary art bubble. There is absurd amounts of cash sitting on the sidelines in treasuries, money markets, and other "guaranteed" notes. Now that people distrust international real estate and equity markets that much more, do they decide to allocate more of their capital towards commodities and collectibles? The latter is at the very least a tangible good that one can enjoy on their wall. I can't imagine anyone really believes that there is any decent market out there that isn't heavily manipulated these days so you're guess is as good as mine. As long as you've got cash on the sidelines to maintain your lifestyle through a prolonged down turn and are debt free, you're in a good position.
There certainly is a strong collection of work for sale over the next week. I saw somone note Dubuffet above and I've been dying to pick up an Hourloupe figurine for longer than i care to remember. There are none that have caught my eye over the next week but am hoping there is more to salivate over when they release the November catalogs in a week or so.
>>>the long-term impact of flooding auction houses with still-dripping art goes far beyond merely hurting 'valuations'.<<<<
I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion.
>>>When the next big auction on then?
Bonhams? Sotheby's? <<<<
Friday, October 17, 2008
Sotheby's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Evening Auction
Saturday, October 18, 2008
Phillips de Pury & Company London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Day Sale
Phillips de Pury & Company London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Evening Sale
Sunday, October 19, 2008
Christie's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Post-War & Contemporary Art Evening Sale
Monday, October 20, 2008
Sotheby's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Contemporary Art Day Auction
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Christie's London
(London, United Kingdom)
Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale
Thursday, October 23, 2008
Bonhams London
(London, United Kingdom)
Urban Art
It's weird because I can recall the days when the UK October sales were an off month. Their big ones were always February and June. Now, it seems like every auction is drooled over and analyzed. To that end, I make absolutely zero conclusions based upon yesterday's results. We'll know our answer for sure one week from now when the auctions above take place (and we'll have a STRONG indication by Sunday night when the evening sales have concluded at Christie's and Sotheby's.) On the one hand, I've been expecting this bubble to burst for just about 4 years now. On the other hand, part of me wonders if the melt down in equity markets world wide leads to a continuation of the contemporary art bubble. There is absurd amounts of cash sitting on the sidelines in treasuries, money markets, and other "guaranteed" notes. Now that people distrust international real estate and equity markets that much more, do they decide to allocate more of their capital towards commodities and collectibles? The latter is at the very least a tangible good that one can enjoy on their wall. I can't imagine anyone really believes that there is any decent market out there that isn't heavily manipulated these days so you're guess is as good as mine. As long as you've got cash on the sidelines to maintain your lifestyle through a prolonged down turn and are debt free, you're in a good position.
There certainly is a strong collection of work for sale over the next week. I saw somone note Dubuffet above and I've been dying to pick up an Hourloupe figurine for longer than i care to remember. There are none that have caught my eye over the next week but am hoping there is more to salivate over when they release the November catalogs in a week or so.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by worlddomination on Oct 15, 2008 16:50:37 GMT 1, >>>the long-term impact of flooding auction houses with still-dripping art goes far beyond merely hurting 'valuations'.<<<< I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion. >>>When the next big auction on then? Bonhams? Sotheby's? <<<< Friday, October 17, 2008 Sotheby's London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Evening Auction Saturday, October 18, 2008 Phillips de Pury & Company London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Day Sale Phillips de Pury & Company London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Evening Sale Sunday, October 19, 2008 Christie's London (London, United Kingdom) Post-War & Contemporary Art Evening Sale Monday, October 20, 2008 Sotheby's London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Day Auction Tuesday, October 21, 2008 Christie's London (London, United Kingdom) Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale Thursday, October 23, 2008 Bonhams London (London, United Kingdom) Urban Art It's weird because I can recall the days when the UK October sales were an off month. Their big ones were always February and June. Now, it seems like every auction is drooled over and analyzed. To that end, I make absolutely zero conclusions based upon yesterday's results. We'll know our answer for sure one week from now when the auctions above take place (and we'll have a STRONG indication by Sunday night when the evening sales have concluded at Christie's and Sotheby's.) One the one hand, I've been expecting this bubble to burst for just about 4 years now. On the other hand, part of me wonders if the melt down in equity markets world wide leads to a continuation of the contemporary art bubble. There is absurd amounts of cash sitting on the sidelines in treasuries, money markets, and other "guaranteed" notes. Now that people distrust international real estate and equity markets that much more, do they decide to allocate more of their capital towards commodities and collectibles? The latter is at the very least a tangible good that one can enjoy on their wall. I can't imagine anyone really believes that there is any decent market out there that isn't heavily manipulated these days so you're guess is as good as mine. As long as you've got cash on the sidelines to maintain your lifestyle through a prolonged down turn and are debt free, you're in a good position. There certainly is a strong collection of work for sale over the next week. I saw somone note Dubuffet above and I've been dying to pick up a Hourlope figurine for longer than i care to remember. There are none that have caught my eye over the next week but am hoping there is more to salivate over when they release the November catalogs in a week or so.
GREAT POST
>>>the long-term impact of flooding auction houses with still-dripping art goes far beyond merely hurting 'valuations'.<<<< I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion. >>>When the next big auction on then? Bonhams? Sotheby's? <<<< Friday, October 17, 2008 Sotheby's London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Evening Auction Saturday, October 18, 2008 Phillips de Pury & Company London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Day Sale Phillips de Pury & Company London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Evening Sale Sunday, October 19, 2008 Christie's London (London, United Kingdom) Post-War & Contemporary Art Evening Sale Monday, October 20, 2008 Sotheby's London (London, United Kingdom) Contemporary Art Day Auction Tuesday, October 21, 2008 Christie's London (London, United Kingdom) Post-War & Contemporary Art Day Sale Thursday, October 23, 2008 Bonhams London (London, United Kingdom) Urban Art It's weird because I can recall the days when the UK October sales were an off month. Their big ones were always February and June. Now, it seems like every auction is drooled over and analyzed. To that end, I make absolutely zero conclusions based upon yesterday's results. We'll know our answer for sure one week from now when the auctions above take place (and we'll have a STRONG indication by Sunday night when the evening sales have concluded at Christie's and Sotheby's.) One the one hand, I've been expecting this bubble to burst for just about 4 years now. On the other hand, part of me wonders if the melt down in equity markets world wide leads to a continuation of the contemporary art bubble. There is absurd amounts of cash sitting on the sidelines in treasuries, money markets, and other "guaranteed" notes. Now that people distrust international real estate and equity markets that much more, do they decide to allocate more of their capital towards commodities and collectibles? The latter is at the very least a tangible good that one can enjoy on their wall. I can't imagine anyone really believes that there is any decent market out there that isn't heavily manipulated these days so you're guess is as good as mine. As long as you've got cash on the sidelines to maintain your lifestyle through a prolonged down turn and are debt free, you're in a good position. There certainly is a strong collection of work for sale over the next week. I saw somone note Dubuffet above and I've been dying to pick up a Hourlope figurine for longer than i care to remember. There are none that have caught my eye over the next week but am hoping there is more to salivate over when they release the November catalogs in a week or so. GREAT POST |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by giiiant on Oct 15, 2008 17:03:48 GMT 1, here's my theory, probably wrong, but maybe the room was full of people that didnt really know the ins and outs of the urban art thing and were playing it by ear a bit. its as if most artist names (excluding the obvious) were irrelevant and it was more a case of the better looking the work, the better the price. the d*face decks for example looked pretty damn good and got a high price, despite generally being seen as pretty worthless among the various forums - while artists like walker and denning that you would assume to do well failed miserably simply because the quality of work on offer by them was embarrassing.
here's my theory, probably wrong, but maybe the room was full of people that didnt really know the ins and outs of the urban art thing and were playing it by ear a bit. its as if most artist names (excluding the obvious) were irrelevant and it was more a case of the better looking the work, the better the price. the d*face decks for example looked pretty damn good and got a high price, despite generally being seen as pretty worthless among the various forums - while artists like walker and denning that you would assume to do well failed miserably simply because the quality of work on offer by them was embarrassing.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by worlddomination on Oct 15, 2008 17:28:27 GMT 1, here's my theory, probably wrong, but maybe the room was full of people that didnt really know the ins and outs of the urban art thing and were playing it by ear a bit. its as if most artist names (excluding the obvious) were irrelevant and it was more a case of the better looking the work, the better the price. the d*face decks for example looked pretty damn good and got a high price, despite generally being seen as pretty worthless among the various forums - while artists like walker and denning that you would assume to do well failed miserably simply because the quality of work on offer by them was embarrassing.
Well I got the Kelsey Brookes piece for a song, so I'm chuffed!
here's my theory, probably wrong, but maybe the room was full of people that didnt really know the ins and outs of the urban art thing and were playing it by ear a bit. its as if most artist names (excluding the obvious) were irrelevant and it was more a case of the better looking the work, the better the price. the d*face decks for example looked pretty damn good and got a high price, despite generally being seen as pretty worthless among the various forums - while artists like walker and denning that you would assume to do well failed miserably simply because the quality of work on offer by them was embarrassing. Well I got the Kelsey Brookes piece for a song, so I'm chuffed! |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by rosstierney on Oct 15, 2008 18:45:40 GMT 1, Well I got the Kelsey Brookes piece for a song, so I'm chuffed!
congrats! lovely piece.
Well I got the Kelsey Brookes piece for a song, so I'm chuffed! congrats! lovely piece. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by mcster on Oct 15, 2008 19:08:10 GMT 1, I've just been comparing the results to the catalogue on a few of the pieces that haven't been mentioned on here and would suggest the results weren't too bad at all considering the current economic climate. Although everyone likes to see the pieces they own go up in value, that can be outweighed by seeing other pieces that would be great as part of our collections become less obtainable as another artist goes ballistic.
The street / urban art scene is incredibly young, small and insular and much of the 'real' art collecters are oblivious to it, so the work that is for sale is only going to be bought by a limited amount of people. At least in the short term. I had lunch John Beetles today, whose brother Chris owns the Beetles gallery in London. John himself is an art collector (although not nearly to the extent of his brother), yet the only name he'd heard of in the auction was Banksy.
I think what I am trying to say, in a nutshell, is that collecting art is a long term thing that is done for the love of it and we shouldn't expect prices to break all previous records with each auction.
I've just been comparing the results to the catalogue on a few of the pieces that haven't been mentioned on here and would suggest the results weren't too bad at all considering the current economic climate. Although everyone likes to see the pieces they own go up in value, that can be outweighed by seeing other pieces that would be great as part of our collections become less obtainable as another artist goes ballistic.
The street / urban art scene is incredibly young, small and insular and much of the 'real' art collecters are oblivious to it, so the work that is for sale is only going to be bought by a limited amount of people. At least in the short term. I had lunch John Beetles today, whose brother Chris owns the Beetles gallery in London. John himself is an art collector (although not nearly to the extent of his brother), yet the only name he'd heard of in the auction was Banksy.
I think what I am trying to say, in a nutshell, is that collecting art is a long term thing that is done for the love of it and we shouldn't expect prices to break all previous records with each auction.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Daniel Silk on Oct 15, 2008 20:44:37 GMT 1, news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7670928.stm
Banksy sale to pay for education
The painting was kept in Mrs Findlay's bedroom for eight years
An early work by the graffiti artist Banksy which was bought for Β£250 in 2000 has been auctioned for Β£40,000.
Talia Findlay decided to sell Monkey Detonator after a visit to an urban art sale at Paintworks in Bristol revealed the painting's potential value.
The work, bought as a birthday present for Mrs Findlay by her father, had been hanging on her bedroom wall.
The 36-year-old and her husband from Somerset plan to use the money to help pay for their two sons' education.
'Totally speechless'
''My dad bought me the Banksy showing a monkey leaping on to a detonator as a surprise for my 28th birthday," said Mrs Findlay.
''He paid Β£250 at Banksy's third exhibition at Severnshed in Bristol.
"I absolutely loved it and it's been the centrepiece of our bedroom for the past eight years.
''But I was gobsmacked, totally speechless, when I was told it is now valued at Β£40,000 to Β£60,000.''
Monkey Detonator went under the hammer alongside 10 other Banksy works at auctioneer Dreweatts' Urban Art Sale at Shoreditch Studios in London on 14 October.
The only solid biographical fact known about Banksy, who has been described as a "guerilla artist", is that he was born and raised in Bristol.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7670928.stmBanksy sale to pay for education The painting was kept in Mrs Findlay's bedroom for eight years An early work by the graffiti artist Banksy which was bought for Β£250 in 2000 has been auctioned for Β£40,000. Talia Findlay decided to sell Monkey Detonator after a visit to an urban art sale at Paintworks in Bristol revealed the painting's potential value. The work, bought as a birthday present for Mrs Findlay by her father, had been hanging on her bedroom wall. The 36-year-old and her husband from Somerset plan to use the money to help pay for their two sons' education. 'Totally speechless' ''My dad bought me the Banksy showing a monkey leaping on to a detonator as a surprise for my 28th birthday," said Mrs Findlay. ''He paid Β£250 at Banksy's third exhibition at Severnshed in Bristol. "I absolutely loved it and it's been the centrepiece of our bedroom for the past eight years. ''But I was gobsmacked, totally speechless, when I was told it is now valued at Β£40,000 to Β£60,000.'' Monkey Detonator went under the hammer alongside 10 other Banksy works at auctioneer Dreweatts' Urban Art Sale at Shoreditch Studios in London on 14 October. The only solid biographical fact known about Banksy, who has been described as a "guerilla artist", is that he was born and raised in Bristol.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by mose on Oct 15, 2008 20:46:02 GMT 1, I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion.
Don't know Lee, we haven't seen the long-run collateral damage that sale might have caused.
And I don't know if auction selling still-dripping work when his primary gallery is sitting on hundreds of pieces is going to work out well for all parties involved over a 5-10 year span.
I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion. Don't know Lee, we haven't seen the long-run collateral damage that sale might have caused. And I don't know if auction selling still-dripping work when his primary gallery is sitting on hundreds of pieces is going to work out well for all parties involved over a 5-10 year span. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by lee3 on Oct 15, 2008 21:34:40 GMT 1, I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion. Don't know Lee, we haven't seen the long-run collateral damage that sale might have caused. And I don't know if auction selling still-dripping work when his primary gallery is sitting on hundreds of pieces is going to work out well for all parties involved over a 5-10 year span.
I can assure you that the auction will not be good for all parties involved over a 5-10 year run. However, there is no doubt from my vantage point that it was/will be good for Hirst, Sotheby's and Chrisite's. As for his collector base, only time will tell.
There are plenty of rumors flying around art circles that Gagosian and Jopling were carved out a piece of the deal at the 11th hour which would at least explain thier complete reveral towards the auction and praise of the work just before the sale. There is no way that something that ground breaking is going to be positive for all parites involved long term as it is the auction houses way of expanding their revenue stream to include newly minted work for sale. Obviously, this is not something that the Jasper Johns' of the world are going to use since they are in another generation. But, I could see either house knocking on Richter's or Prince's door to bypass their respective dealers and go straight to auction for some major works. That auction certainly changed the game (and could well have been the bell ringing at the top of the contemporary art bull market run).
I believe Damien Hirst respectfully disagrees with this notion. Don't know Lee, we haven't seen the long-run collateral damage that sale might have caused. And I don't know if auction selling still-dripping work when his primary gallery is sitting on hundreds of pieces is going to work out well for all parties involved over a 5-10 year span. I can assure you that the auction will not be good for all parties involved over a 5-10 year run. However, there is no doubt from my vantage point that it was/will be good for Hirst, Sotheby's and Chrisite's. As for his collector base, only time will tell. There are plenty of rumors flying around art circles that Gagosian and Jopling were carved out a piece of the deal at the 11th hour which would at least explain thier complete reveral towards the auction and praise of the work just before the sale. There is no way that something that ground breaking is going to be positive for all parites involved long term as it is the auction houses way of expanding their revenue stream to include newly minted work for sale. Obviously, this is not something that the Jasper Johns' of the world are going to use since they are in another generation. But, I could see either house knocking on Richter's or Prince's door to bypass their respective dealers and go straight to auction for some major works. That auction certainly changed the game (and could well have been the bell ringing at the top of the contemporary art bull market run). |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by fatherxmas on Oct 15, 2008 23:23:11 GMT 1, oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower
Oh that was you...
oh it was me that bought the cheap Banksy Tower Oh that was you... |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Coach on Oct 15, 2008 23:57:30 GMT 1, Only read a little of this, but congrats to worldomination amd alsbabar - Brookes and Tower were bargains. Nice one. (two).
Only read a little of this, but congrats to worldomination amd alsbabar - Brookes and Tower were bargains. Nice one. (two).
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by bullet on Oct 16, 2008 0:07:40 GMT 1, i see miss aguilera was over in the uk yesterday, no doubt picking up her pieces from BRP as well...
i see miss aguilera was over in the uk yesterday, no doubt picking up her pieces from BRP as well...
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by bradpitt on Oct 16, 2008 0:15:48 GMT 1, Yep, she probably picks them up and carries them back in her hand luggage. I would definitely do art for Aguilera, she has great tits.
Yep, she probably picks them up and carries them back in her hand luggage. I would definitely do art for Aguilera, she has great tits.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by wiz on Oct 16, 2008 0:20:15 GMT 1, i see miss aguilera was over in the uk yesterday, no doubt picking up her pieces from BRP as well...
Oh no not again!, if she comes dancing up my driveway squirming all over the place and singing that "Dirty" song again and scaring the dogs well thats it im afraid!, my lifes not me own when shes here. 
i see miss aguilera was over in the uk yesterday, no doubt picking up her pieces from BRP as well... Oh no not again!, if she comes dancing up my driveway squirming all over the place and singing that "Dirty" song again and scaring the dogs well thats it im afraid!, my lifes not me own when shes here. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Guest on Oct 16, 2008 0:29:09 GMT 1, haha
haha
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 3, 2009 18:37:50 GMT 1, Anyone seen the catalogue for the Feb auction yet.
A pdf would be appreciated if anyone has an advance copy.
Anyone seen the catalogue for the Feb auction yet.
A pdf would be appreciated if anyone has an advance copy.
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Sundowner on Feb 3, 2009 19:31:01 GMT 1, It's not out yet - should be uploaded on www.dnfa.co.uk/ this week I am told.
It's not out yet - should be uploaded on www.dnfa.co.uk/ this week I am told. |
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 9:55:23 GMT 1, ... and it is not so strong.. 70 lots
fav: the beejoir LV child.. or the blue couple by Neate (will probably be unsold with that estimate)..
graffiti world box (Neate) est. 800-1200 (realistic low) and a 21CL est. 4000-5000 (high!)
... and it is not so strong.. 70 lots
fav: the beejoir LV child.. or the blue couple by Neate (will probably be unsold with that estimate)..
graffiti world box (Neate) est. 800-1200 (realistic low) and a 21CL est. 4000-5000 (high!)
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Dreweatts Art Auctions π¬π§, by pezlow on Feb 5, 2009 10:00:21 GMT 1, Lot 69 looks interesting but I can't see pics - I'm assuming it is a rat and similar to the street piece? The estimate of Β£30k-Β£60k shows that DN have no idea what it might fetch.
Some of the other lots are bizarre. I like to think I know a little bit about this scene but I haven't even heard of some of the artists.
Lot 69 looks interesting but I can't see pics - I'm assuming it is a rat and similar to the street piece? The estimate of Β£30k-Β£60k shows that DN have no idea what it might fetch.
Some of the other lots are bizarre. I like to think I know a little bit about this scene but I haven't even heard of some of the artists.
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and congrats on the Tower.
