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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 19:25:57 GMT 1, I was flipping through some old photos earlier today from the Micallef L.A. show and was thinking about a couple of things...
- I remember the pieces being crazy expensive. $50k for a charcoal sketch that took at most 1/2 a day to do? maybe less?
- The celebrity factor was there, in that they bought a few pieces. But, it seemed that the influential collectors weren't buying.
- Holly and company disappointed a lot of print collectors by not selling any at the preview. Despite telling people that they would be able to at the time. Some of you had to leave the next morning back to the UK (and other countries.) I understand that this was largely out of convenience as they didn't have the prints packaged
- When it came time to purchase, LAZ missed the time to start selling them as they were having some power/credit card machine issues
- London was a nightmare, fights, people waiting overnight in cold weather, families of 4 buying prints to resell
- eBay was flooded with Micallef prints for at least a month
- The aftermath was never officially discussed by LAZ. They didn't talk about improving the process or issue any sort of statement about what they were going to do in the future.
I can't help but think that there was a lot of hype around this show and a lot of people had really high expectations. Compared to some of the other shows this year, it seems that this was a big let down and thus impacted the secondary market and even interest in up and coming artist work. We've heard from several well known artists that they're cutting back on production as they think the market is saturated and interest is starting to wane...
My point is that after this show, it seems that everything started to go a bit downhill...maybe i'm imagining things but in terms of timeline it looks about right.
I'm posting this not to discuss secondary prices, but rather, your thoughts on what the future entails for buying and selling street/graffiti/urban art in the upcoming year?
I was flipping through some old photos earlier today from the Micallef L.A. show and was thinking about a couple of things...
- I remember the pieces being crazy expensive. $50k for a charcoal sketch that took at most 1/2 a day to do? maybe less?
- The celebrity factor was there, in that they bought a few pieces. But, it seemed that the influential collectors weren't buying.
- Holly and company disappointed a lot of print collectors by not selling any at the preview. Despite telling people that they would be able to at the time. Some of you had to leave the next morning back to the UK (and other countries.) I understand that this was largely out of convenience as they didn't have the prints packaged
- When it came time to purchase, LAZ missed the time to start selling them as they were having some power/credit card machine issues
- London was a nightmare, fights, people waiting overnight in cold weather, families of 4 buying prints to resell
- eBay was flooded with Micallef prints for at least a month
- The aftermath was never officially discussed by LAZ. They didn't talk about improving the process or issue any sort of statement about what they were going to do in the future.
I can't help but think that there was a lot of hype around this show and a lot of people had really high expectations. Compared to some of the other shows this year, it seems that this was a big let down and thus impacted the secondary market and even interest in up and coming artist work. We've heard from several well known artists that they're cutting back on production as they think the market is saturated and interest is starting to wane...
My point is that after this show, it seems that everything started to go a bit downhill...maybe i'm imagining things but in terms of timeline it looks about right.
I'm posting this not to discuss secondary prices, but rather, your thoughts on what the future entails for buying and selling street/graffiti/urban art in the upcoming year?
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by loucastel on Nov 15, 2007 19:46:22 GMT 1, The art market is a fickle beast, It looks at present as if the boom in the street/graff market is on the wane if the prices being achieved on ebay ,which is a good thermometer for trends, is anything to go by, I think the top end is still alive and kicking, but Im sure that is being driven by the kudos of owning an original by some of the top artists, as can be seen by a lot of celebs spending some of thier hard earned (very tongue in cheek). back at street level tastes seem to change so fast these days ,and Im not talking about the hardcore fan base, even contemporary artists who have been artist of the year are now struggling to sell their work, and in my humble opinion the street ,graff market will go the same way,but that is good news for the die hard fan, they will then be able to afford some of the art they have always wanted, especially if artist keep flooding the market, Im curious to see how much the print on ebay weston-super-mare goes for tonight. good time to buy bad time to sell. I think prices have a way to come down yet, still, we will see.
The art market is a fickle beast, It looks at present as if the boom in the street/graff market is on the wane if the prices being achieved on ebay ,which is a good thermometer for trends, is anything to go by, I think the top end is still alive and kicking, but Im sure that is being driven by the kudos of owning an original by some of the top artists, as can be seen by a lot of celebs spending some of thier hard earned (very tongue in cheek). back at street level tastes seem to change so fast these days ,and Im not talking about the hardcore fan base, even contemporary artists who have been artist of the year are now struggling to sell their work, and in my humble opinion the street ,graff market will go the same way,but that is good news for the die hard fan, they will then be able to afford some of the art they have always wanted, especially if artist keep flooding the market, Im curious to see how much the print on ebay weston-super-mare goes for tonight. good time to buy bad time to sell. I think prices have a way to come down yet, still, we will see.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 19:51:08 GMT 1, Yeah, one thing that I didn't mention is that the debt market looms overhead as most of the world depends on Americans buying stuff on credit cards. During the boom earlier this year I think people were looking for ways to diversify...and as they say, a rising tide lifts all boats
Yeah, one thing that I didn't mention is that the debt market looms overhead as most of the world depends on Americans buying stuff on credit cards. During the boom earlier this year I think people were looking for ways to diversify...and as they say, a rising tide lifts all boats
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by snelj8 on Nov 15, 2007 19:54:56 GMT 1, i recently joined the scene so I do not know what it was like last year, or even early 2007. All I know is it seems like people went on a buying binge the later part of the year -- not sure if it was due to the amount of prints being released all at once by many different artists or just the desire to make money. I think due to this, and the fact that the release of popular prints is so hyped, people tend to purchase more than they want or need. And even with limited editions, when an edition of 500 comes out, if only 5% of those bought to immediately flip - thats still 25 you have being sold at once. Multiply that by the number of prints released at once and...
IMO, There are just too many up and coming artists out there right now at the same time, and all producing multiple prints and pieces at a time. I think it will level out, and the more promising artists will continue to climb, and other artists, although good at what they do, will end up being grouped with all other prints that get sold out there.
With that in mind, what was the scene like early 2007 (Jan - April) and prior in 2006? When was the tipping point when all this madness started?
i recently joined the scene so I do not know what it was like last year, or even early 2007. All I know is it seems like people went on a buying binge the later part of the year -- not sure if it was due to the amount of prints being released all at once by many different artists or just the desire to make money. I think due to this, and the fact that the release of popular prints is so hyped, people tend to purchase more than they want or need. And even with limited editions, when an edition of 500 comes out, if only 5% of those bought to immediately flip - thats still 25 you have being sold at once. Multiply that by the number of prints released at once and...
IMO, There are just too many up and coming artists out there right now at the same time, and all producing multiple prints and pieces at a time. I think it will level out, and the more promising artists will continue to climb, and other artists, although good at what they do, will end up being grouped with all other prints that get sold out there.
With that in mind, what was the scene like early 2007 (Jan - April) and prior in 2006? When was the tipping point when all this madness started?
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by trowel on Nov 15, 2007 20:24:06 GMT 1, With that in mind, what was the scene like early 2007 (Jan - April) and prior in 2006? When was the tipping point when all this madness started?
It all started on the evening of Thursday 14th September 2006 in a small warehouse in LA...
Approximately.
With that in mind, what was the scene like early 2007 (Jan - April) and prior in 2006? When was the tipping point when all this madness started? It all started on the evening of Thursday 14th September 2006 in a small warehouse in LA... Approximately. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by lastpost on Nov 15, 2007 20:39:22 GMT 1, Micallef is a quality artist. Now is just a notoriously bad time to sell. That coupled with the fact there are now 2600ish more prints out there are quite expectedly means prices are lower than before the show...
Hence me not being able to sell my Micallef's for the price I want to ;-)
Micallef is a quality artist. Now is just a notoriously bad time to sell. That coupled with the fact there are now 2600ish more prints out there are quite expectedly means prices are lower than before the show...
Hence me not being able to sell my Micallef's for the price I want to ;-)
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by Harveyn on Nov 15, 2007 20:45:13 GMT 1, Just too many releases by too many artists to what is essential still a fairly small but growing audience.
The scene will continue to grow and quality will rise to the top.
Good time to buy and bad time to sell.
With specific reference to Micallef IMO his talent cannot be questioned and although he still has a long way to go he will be around for a long time.
Just too many releases by too many artists to what is essential still a fairly small but growing audience.
The scene will continue to grow and quality will rise to the top.
Good time to buy and bad time to sell.
With specific reference to Micallef IMO his talent cannot be questioned and although he still has a long way to go he will be around for a long time.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by CR on Nov 15, 2007 20:49:51 GMT 1, Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there!
Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show!
I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals.
Lets not forget some of the originals he produced for the show were amazing!
CR
Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there! Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show! I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals. Lets not forget some of the originals he produced for the show were amazing! CR |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by manchestermike on Nov 15, 2007 20:50:50 GMT 1, Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there! Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show! I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals. Lets not forget some of the originals he produced for the show were amazing! CR
Where was the other shoe  ;D
Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there! Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show! I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals. Lets not forget some of the originals he produced for the show were amazing! CR Where was the other shoe ;D |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 20:51:15 GMT 1, great input guys. When I've talked to a number of artists firsthand, they all believe that the fanbase is growing but as you say Harveyn, it's growing a bit slowly.
great input guys. When I've talked to a number of artists firsthand, they all believe that the fanbase is growing but as you say Harveyn, it's growing a bit slowly.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by CR on Nov 15, 2007 20:58:35 GMT 1, oops!
oops!
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by stuey09 on Nov 15, 2007 21:06:32 GMT 1, CR, you're spot on. The black and white's from the LA Show were amazing. Had GIWTBB have been an issue of 50, the stampede to buy it would have been savage. The quality of Micallef's work is superb, it is only the size of editions that have kept the prices down.
CR, you're spot on. The black and white's from the LA Show were amazing. Had GIWTBB have been an issue of 50, the stampede to buy it would have been savage. The quality of Micallef's work is superb, it is only the size of editions that have kept the prices down.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by lastpost on Nov 15, 2007 21:11:34 GMT 1, But if you are buying because you like the image then the price does not matter.
If it goes up in value...bonus!!
But if you are buying because you like the image then the price does not matter.
If it goes up in value...bonus!!
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by melmoth on Nov 15, 2007 21:12:26 GMT 1, CR, you're spot on. The black and white's from the LA Show were amazing. Had GIWTBB have been an issue of 50, the stampede to buy it would have been savage. The quality of Micallef's work is superb, it is only the size of editions that have kept the prices down.
The size of the editions was largely his decision though, correct (at least in the case of GIWTBB)? Did he shoot himself in the foot by doing that?
I know that Banksy just dropped a load of prints too, but the expectation for his was at fever pitch.
CR, you're spot on. The black and white's from the LA Show were amazing. Had GIWTBB have been an issue of 50, the stampede to buy it would have been savage. The quality of Micallef's work is superb, it is only the size of editions that have kept the prices down. The size of the editions was largely his decision though, correct (at least in the case of GIWTBB)? Did he shoot himself in the foot by doing that? I know that Banksy just dropped a load of prints too, but the expectation for his was at fever pitch. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 21:13:41 GMT 1, sorry, i should have clarified, I meant the art scene as a whole not just micallef. I was wondering if people saw this show as being an overestimate of demand and maybe even taking advantage of collectors. In a way LAZ has set the bar regarding how prints are sold and priced. Unfortunately, I think they may have set the bar too high which turned off a lot of collectors. again, just my theory.
sorry, i should have clarified, I meant the art scene as a whole not just micallef. I was wondering if people saw this show as being an overestimate of demand and maybe even taking advantage of collectors. In a way LAZ has set the bar regarding how prints are sold and priced. Unfortunately, I think they may have set the bar too high which turned off a lot of collectors. again, just my theory.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by lastpost on Nov 15, 2007 21:20:17 GMT 1, I think you are probably right Amin...those prices for editions of 400 were certainly too high.
If however they had set them lower, then they would probably have been flipped at those prces anyway.
I think you are probably right Amin...those prices for editions of 400 were certainly too high.
If however they had set them lower, then they would probably have been flipped at those prces anyway.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by stuey09 on Nov 15, 2007 21:21:06 GMT 1, No I wouldn't say Micallef has shot himself in the foot by increasing the edition size. Not only did the run sell out almost straight away, but it gave a fan base an opportunity to own an amazing piece of art. I don't think he will issue anymore runs of a thousand, so this will most likely be a one off opportunity. To be fair, let's see what the next release is like. If it gets ignored by the buyers, then yes he'll have shot himself in the foot, but we both know that this scenario won't happen.
As I said, 'an amazing piece of art'
No I wouldn't say Micallef has shot himself in the foot by increasing the edition size. Not only did the run sell out almost straight away, but it gave a fan base an opportunity to own an amazing piece of art. I don't think he will issue anymore runs of a thousand, so this will most likely be a one off opportunity. To be fair, let's see what the next release is like. If it gets ignored by the buyers, then yes he'll have shot himself in the foot, but we both know that this scenario won't happen. As I said, 'an amazing piece of art' |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:26:08 GMT 1, I was flipping through some old photos earlier today from the Micallef L.A. show and was thinking about a couple of things... - I remember the pieces being crazy expensive. $50k for a charcoal sketch that took at most 1/2 a day to do? maybe less? - The celebrity factor was there, in that they bought a few pieces. But, it seemed that the influential collectors weren't buying. - Holly and company disappointed a lot of print collectors by not selling any at the preview. Despite telling people that they would be able to at the time. Some of you had to leave the next morning back to the UK (and other countries.) I understand that this was largely out of convenience as they didn't have the prints packaged - When it came time to purchase, LAZ missed the time to start selling them as they were having some power/credit card machine issues - London was a nightmare, fights, people waiting overnight in cold weather, families of 4 buying prints to resell - eBay was flooded with Micallef prints for at least a month - The aftermath was never officially discussed by LAZ. They didn't talk about improving the process or issue any sort of statement about what they were going to do in the future. I can't help but think that there was a lot of hype around this show and a lot of people had really high expectations. Compared to some of the other shows this year, it seems that this was a big let down and thus impacted the secondary market and even interest in up and coming artist work. We've heard from several well known artists that they're cutting back on production as they think the market is saturated and interest is starting to wane... My point is that after this show, it seems that everything started to go a bit downhill...maybe i'm imagining things but in terms of timeline it looks about right. I'm posting this not to discuss secondary prices, but rather, your thoughts on what the future entails for buying and selling street/graffiti/urban art in the upcoming year?
How about the fact that the art wasn't that great on the whole? Sure there were a few stand-out pieces but I found the show slightly contrived, it was apparent the work was made with too much emphasis on the LA crowd, and there wasn't much 'progression' from his past works.
I was flipping through some old photos earlier today from the Micallef L.A. show and was thinking about a couple of things... - I remember the pieces being crazy expensive. $50k for a charcoal sketch that took at most 1/2 a day to do? maybe less? - The celebrity factor was there, in that they bought a few pieces. But, it seemed that the influential collectors weren't buying. - Holly and company disappointed a lot of print collectors by not selling any at the preview. Despite telling people that they would be able to at the time. Some of you had to leave the next morning back to the UK (and other countries.) I understand that this was largely out of convenience as they didn't have the prints packaged - When it came time to purchase, LAZ missed the time to start selling them as they were having some power/credit card machine issues - London was a nightmare, fights, people waiting overnight in cold weather, families of 4 buying prints to resell - eBay was flooded with Micallef prints for at least a month - The aftermath was never officially discussed by LAZ. They didn't talk about improving the process or issue any sort of statement about what they were going to do in the future. I can't help but think that there was a lot of hype around this show and a lot of people had really high expectations. Compared to some of the other shows this year, it seems that this was a big let down and thus impacted the secondary market and even interest in up and coming artist work. We've heard from several well known artists that they're cutting back on production as they think the market is saturated and interest is starting to wane... My point is that after this show, it seems that everything started to go a bit downhill...maybe i'm imagining things but in terms of timeline it looks about right. I'm posting this not to discuss secondary prices, but rather, your thoughts on what the future entails for buying and selling street/graffiti/urban art in the upcoming year? How about the fact that the art wasn't that great on the whole? Sure there were a few stand-out pieces but I found the show slightly contrived, it was apparent the work was made with too much emphasis on the LA crowd, and there wasn't much 'progression' from his past works. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:27:37 GMT 1, Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there! Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show! I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals.
Which I also think was a failure because how much exposure does he now have in the States? It was all London/Laz purchasers coming over the pond for a quick vacation and cheap dollar and a few celebrities throwing serious cash down.
Lets also not forget that this shoe was in the USA, which is having major financial troubles and Micallef was relativly unknown there! Ok so this doesn't effect print prices on ebay, but like someone said, there is now 2600 more prints than before the show! I think if the LA show had been in London, it would have been a far bigger deal, with way more media coverage, and a whole lot of serious art collecters trying to buy his originals. Which I also think was a failure because how much exposure does he now have in the States? It was all London/Laz purchasers coming over the pond for a quick vacation and cheap dollar and a few celebrities throwing serious cash down. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:28:10 GMT 1, But if you are buying because you like the image then the price does not matter. If it goes up in value...bonus!!
AMEN BROTHER! Added bonus - shouldn't be an expectation whatsoever.
But if you are buying because you like the image then the price does not matter. If it goes up in value...bonus!! AMEN BROTHER! Added bonus - shouldn't be an expectation whatsoever. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:32:46 GMT 1, No I wouldn't say Micallef has shot himself in the foot by increasing the edition size. Not only did the run sell out almost straight away, but it gave a fan base an opportunity to own an amazing piece of art. I don't think he will issue anymore runs of a thousand, so this will most likely be a one off opportunity. To be fair, let's see what the next release is like. If it gets ignored by the buyers, then yes he'll have shot himself in the foot, but we both know that this scenario won't happen.
I don't think Micallef shot himself in the foot. I think Laz shot him in the kneecaps. While it was a sell-out show, I don't think it can truly be considered a success. The bar has been set to a ridiculously high level for Antony and once you sell paintings at 'X' you really can't go back to selling them for cheaper.
Just for historical perspective.... the original Minotaur Weapon was 15K, original Judgement Day was 25K, orginal Bomber Girl was 10K, and the Head Studies were 5K. Compare those to the caliber of work in LA along with the prices - and I think you should come to your own conclusions.
No I wouldn't say Micallef has shot himself in the foot by increasing the edition size. Not only did the run sell out almost straight away, but it gave a fan base an opportunity to own an amazing piece of art. I don't think he will issue anymore runs of a thousand, so this will most likely be a one off opportunity. To be fair, let's see what the next release is like. If it gets ignored by the buyers, then yes he'll have shot himself in the foot, but we both know that this scenario won't happen. I don't think Micallef shot himself in the foot. I think Laz shot him in the kneecaps. While it was a sell-out show, I don't think it can truly be considered a success. The bar has been set to a ridiculously high level for Antony and once you sell paintings at 'X' you really can't go back to selling them for cheaper. Just for historical perspective.... the original Minotaur Weapon was 15K, original Judgement Day was 25K, orginal Bomber Girl was 10K, and the Head Studies were 5K. Compare those to the caliber of work in LA along with the prices - and I think you should come to your own conclusions. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by stuey09 on Nov 15, 2007 21:37:24 GMT 1, Evening RBK  , I don't get your argument. What is your point?
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by lastpost on Nov 15, 2007 21:39:23 GMT 1, Original JD....what i'd give for that!!
All this talk of a dying market will become a self fulfilling prophecy...then I can get an SMS for ยฃ200 again woo hoo!!!!!
Original JD....what i'd give for that!!
All this talk of a dying market will become a self fulfilling prophecy...then I can get an SMS for ยฃ200 again woo hoo!!!!!
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by jam on Nov 15, 2007 21:42:38 GMT 1, The show did not sell out either, there were a handful of small canvases down stairs that didn't go... one of which is being sold by Laz at Sothebys next month. 'Contrived' is/was a good description, the show was clearly geared toward celebrity buyers in Hollywood and I didn't feel it had more than a few standout pieces and nothing that was groundbreaking for AM aside from the sculpture work.
The show did not sell out either, there were a handful of small canvases down stairs that didn't go... one of which is being sold by Laz at Sothebys next month. 'Contrived' is/was a good description, the show was clearly geared toward celebrity buyers in Hollywood and I didn't feel it had more than a few standout pieces and nothing that was groundbreaking for AM aside from the sculpture work.
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:45:55 GMT 1, Sorry I'm not even drunk and I'm offering passionate opinions.
My main point is - Laz is a great businessman - but that doesn't mean he is great at making artists' long-lasting careers.
I thought the price increases for LA tested the true upper limits - and while the show sold-out - I think it has done irreparable damage to Antony's career (regardless of how much money was made)
Sorry I'm not even drunk and I'm offering passionate opinions.
My main point is - Laz is a great businessman - but that doesn't mean he is great at making artists' long-lasting careers.
I thought the price increases for LA tested the true upper limits - and while the show sold-out - I think it has done irreparable damage to Antony's career (regardless of how much money was made)
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RBK
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by RBK on Nov 15, 2007 21:53:43 GMT 1, And Micallef LA show completely aside.... the US economy is really hurting, the dollar is at an all-time low, real estate is a mess, ridiculous amount of debt/loans that can't be paid. Personally, I think we are headed towards a full fledged recession here in the US in '08.
Our issues will reverberate to the UK and Internationally shortly thereafter and people will be much more concerned about their mortgages than buying an original piece of art from a street artist for 50K.
* Thank God I love all the stuff on my walls and will be happy if they are worth exactly what I paid for them in 5-10 years time.
And Micallef LA show completely aside.... the US economy is really hurting, the dollar is at an all-time low, real estate is a mess, ridiculous amount of debt/loans that can't be paid. Personally, I think we are headed towards a full fledged recession here in the US in '08.
Our issues will reverberate to the UK and Internationally shortly thereafter and people will be much more concerned about their mortgages than buying an original piece of art from a street artist for 50K.
* Thank God I love all the stuff on my walls and will be happy if they are worth exactly what I paid for them in 5-10 years time.
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stuey09
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by stuey09 on Nov 15, 2007 21:55:49 GMT 1, Thanks for clarifying that Robert, and good on you for expressing your opinions. However, I think it's too early to assert that the show will have caused irrepairable damage to AM's career. Only time can judge that. He is a talented artist and talent will always be in demand. I think his future lies in a wider audience though, way beyond the forums. That's purely based on opinion though.
Jam, I agree that the show offered nothing ground breaking. The work was based on an established style and it is a shame that the show didn't offer anything 'new' My guess is that Laz's influence would be the cause of that. Poor advice given in order to exploit a celeb' market.
Thanks for clarifying that Robert, and good on you for expressing your opinions. However, I think it's too early to assert that the show will have caused irrepairable damage to AM's career. Only time can judge that. He is a talented artist and talent will always be in demand. I think his future lies in a wider audience though, way beyond the forums. That's purely based on opinion though.
Jam, I agree that the show offered nothing ground breaking. The work was based on an established style and it is a shame that the show didn't offer anything 'new' My guess is that Laz's influence would be the cause of that. Poor advice given in order to exploit a celeb' market.
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snelj8
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by snelj8 on Nov 15, 2007 22:00:52 GMT 1, lets hope that advice doesnt extend too far into the other few popular artists planned to be at Laz next yr...
lets hope that advice doesnt extend too far into the other few popular artists planned to be at Laz next yr...
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by lesbianwednesdays on Nov 15, 2007 22:02:39 GMT 1, Sorry I'm not even drunk and I'm offering passionate opinions. My main point is - Laz is a great businessman - but that doesn't mean he is great at making artists' long-lasting careers. I thought the price increases for LA tested the true upper limits - and while the show sold-out - I think it has done irreparable damage to Antony's career (regardless of how much money was made)
way too soon to opinionate that rbk. for a start as you say the show sold out, also, until the next collection of work is released and subsequently sold (or not) for whatever price then you have no comparables, only the past. in the past he sold work for less but had to to gain exposure and raise his profile. once established he can command higher prices because of that, only when he dies or his career ends and his work is sold only by auction can you have any say over where the peaks and troughs were in antony's career and start the analysis of where it all went wrong.
you can't measure the strength of a storm when you're stuck in the middle of it.
Sorry I'm not even drunk and I'm offering passionate opinions. My main point is - Laz is a great businessman - but that doesn't mean he is great at making artists' long-lasting careers. I thought the price increases for LA tested the true upper limits - and while the show sold-out - I think it has done irreparable damage to Antony's career (regardless of how much money was made) way too soon to opinionate that rbk. for a start as you say the show sold out, also, until the next collection of work is released and subsequently sold (or not) for whatever price then you have no comparables, only the past. in the past he sold work for less but had to to gain exposure and raise his profile. once established he can command higher prices because of that, only when he dies or his career ends and his work is sold only by auction can you have any say over where the peaks and troughs were in antony's career and start the analysis of where it all went wrong. you can't measure the strength of a storm when you're stuck in the middle of it. |
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Micallef Show = straw that broke the camel's back?, by stuey09 on Nov 15, 2007 22:02:50 GMT 1, lets hope that advice doesnt extend too far into the other few popular artists planned to be at Laz next yr...
I don't think Mr. Choe will stand for any of Laz's shit somehow.
lets hope that advice doesnt extend too far into the other few popular artists planned to be at Laz next yr... I don't think Mr. Choe will stand for any of Laz's shit somehow. |
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, I don't get your argument. What is your point?
