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Original Banksy Rat, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2007 16:19:21 GMT 1, Building work can last for months, years even. Say it was removed by a fan who'd cherish it for years, he'd be denying many more fans of seeing it on the street.
Completely agree with you on this one ;D yeah, if its on hoarding that could be up for years then it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong.
Building work can last for months, years even. Say it was removed by a fan who'd cherish it for years, he'd be denying many more fans of seeing it on the street. Completely agree with you on this one ;D yeah, if its on hoarding that could be up for years then it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by lesbianwednesdays on Oct 30, 2007 16:20:33 GMT 1, Its a bit of wood with some faded spray paint on it. Get over it. If he didnt take it and post it here many would have never seen it.
but if he didn't then a few more could have. if you're missing the point so much then why are you here?
Its a bit of wood with some faded spray paint on it. Get over it. If he didnt take it and post it here many would have never seen it. but if he didn't then a few more could have. if you're missing the point so much then why are you here? |
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Original Banksy Rat, by lesbianwednesdays on Oct 30, 2007 16:23:45 GMT 1, it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong.
taking it is wrong full stop! unless it is some kind of musuem that will keep it on public display then it has served it's purpose and should be destroyed. same as when pieces get painted over, people might appreciate work more if they knew they may never see it again. 
it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong. taking it is wrong full stop! unless it is some kind of musuem that will keep it on public display then it has served it's purpose and should be destroyed. same as when pieces get painted over, people might appreciate work more if they knew they may never see it again. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by dave313perry on Oct 30, 2007 16:23:59 GMT 1, Im still undecided on this topic - i see pro's and con's.
At the end of the day its not important IMO - i think???
im still to be convinced
Im still undecided on this topic - i see pro's and con's. At the end of the day its not important IMO - i think??? im still to be convinced |
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Original Banksy Rat, by carlito on Oct 30, 2007 16:25:13 GMT 1, the clue's in what it is .... a STREET piece .... not one of these should have any resale value as this was not the intention of the creator...anyone who buy's or steals these pieces should fuck right off down to fine art gallery and out of this scene asap
the clue's in what it is .... a STREET piece .... not one of these should have any resale value as this was not the intention of the creator...anyone who buy's or steals these pieces should fuck right off down to fine art gallery and out of this scene asap
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Original Banksy Rat, by ratpack on Oct 30, 2007 16:25:31 GMT 1, well done to your mate sterlzuk for having the balls to just cut it out ... good on him, i'm sure we all would have done the same if we saw it. here here - i hope he sells it, makes a nice few quid and blows it on having a bloody good time.
It must be hard to sell a piece like that.
well done to your mate sterlzuk for having the balls to just cut it out ... good on him, i'm sure we all would have done the same if we saw it. here here - i hope he sells it, makes a nice few quid and blows it on having a bloody good time. It must be hard to sell a piece like that. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by jonpud on Oct 30, 2007 16:25:35 GMT 1, I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!!
I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!!
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Original Banksy Rat, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2007 16:28:16 GMT 1, it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong. taking it is wrong full stop! unless it is some kind of musuem that will keep it on public display then it has served it's purpose and should be destroyed. same as when pieces get painted over, people might appreciate work more if they knew they may never see it again.
Just wanted to say I'm not arguing on this  its just an interesting subject ;D
What about Banksy or Laz taking pieces to sell in Gallery or at Auction?
it should only be removed when or just before the builders move in. Taking it within weeks of it being done is totally wrong. taking it is wrong full stop! unless it is some kind of musuem that will keep it on public display then it has served it's purpose and should be destroyed. same as when pieces get painted over, people might appreciate work more if they knew they may never see it again. Just wanted to say I'm not arguing on this its just an interesting subject ;D What about Banksy or Laz taking pieces to sell in Gallery or at Auction? |
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Original Banksy Rat, by carlito on Oct 30, 2007 16:30:22 GMT 1, it's his (Banksy) - so he can do what he like's with it, i just don't get how a 'fan' can take a piece meant for the street - the whole ethos of this work is that its meant for all to see not for one person in their living room
it's his (Banksy) - so he can do what he like's with it, i just don't get how a 'fan' can take a piece meant for the street - the whole ethos of this work is that its meant for all to see not for one person in their living room
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Original Banksy Rat, by lesbianwednesdays on Oct 30, 2007 16:30:23 GMT 1, I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!!
but they've no right, who are the to play judge and jury? surely it's for everyone or no-one?
if there were such a place that kept salvaged street pieces, gallery, museum etc that also had photos in situ and relavant literature then i would see that as an acceptable form of preservation. not for sale, or for profit but purely to preserve some heritage of what has gone before.
work on the street transcends class and value so for someone to objectify it is beyond contempt.
I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!! but they've no right, who are the to play judge and jury? surely it's for everyone or no-one? if there were such a place that kept salvaged street pieces, gallery, museum etc that also had photos in situ and relavant literature then i would see that as an acceptable form of preservation. not for sale, or for profit but purely to preserve some heritage of what has gone before. work on the street transcends class and value so for someone to objectify it is beyond contempt. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by lesbianwednesdays on Oct 30, 2007 16:32:22 GMT 1, Just wanted to say I'm not arguing on this its just an interesting subject ;D What about Banksy or Laz taking pieces to sell in Gallery or at Auction?
i agree it's an intersting discussion and i don't want my last post to sound like i'm sweating! i think anything and everything that has been salvaged should be in a museum, if LAZ had anything about him he would be setting the wheels in motion already...........
Just wanted to say I'm not arguing on this its just an interesting subject ;D What about Banksy or Laz taking pieces to sell in Gallery or at Auction? i agree it's an intersting discussion and i don't want my last post to sound like i'm sweating! i think anything and everything that has been salvaged should be in a museum, if LAZ had anything about him he would be setting the wheels in motion already........... |
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Original Banksy Rat, by sterlzuk on Oct 30, 2007 16:32:36 GMT 1, Yeah all fair points - well he's had it for few years now and it's still getting attention on this board rather than ending up in a skip so i guess only a good thing that it still lives a life - I doubt he got it as soon as it went up (looks quite old & scuffed) so hopefully any extra viewings here will make up for any extra time it might have been up there... Gotta share the love 
Yeah all fair points - well he's had it for few years now and it's still getting attention on this board rather than ending up in a skip so i guess only a good thing that it still lives a life - I doubt he got it as soon as it went up (looks quite old & scuffed) so hopefully any extra viewings here will make up for any extra time it might have been up there... Gotta share the love |
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Original Banksy Rat, by dave313perry on Oct 30, 2007 16:33:38 GMT 1, not an opinion more of a thought but...
In one respect i would rather a street piece stays on the street for a few days and then tarnished over - reason being... A piece should have an impact and be provocative IMO, well thats what i look for generally speaking in this genre, and if they are covered in perspex and preserved they become a local attraction and commercialise Banksy as a brand rather than the particular image. It becomes more about the fact it is a Banksy rather than the meaning of the image that Banksy wanted to portray. When its like this, it is in danger of becoming no better than a 'smoking kills' billboard
what u guys think
not an opinion more of a thought but...
In one respect i would rather a street piece stays on the street for a few days and then tarnished over - reason being... A piece should have an impact and be provocative IMO, well thats what i look for generally speaking in this genre, and if they are covered in perspex and preserved they become a local attraction and commercialise Banksy as a brand rather than the particular image. It becomes more about the fact it is a Banksy rather than the meaning of the image that Banksy wanted to portray. When its like this, it is in danger of becoming no better than a 'smoking kills' billboard
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Original Banksy Rat, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2007 16:36:28 GMT 1, not an opinion more of a thought but... In one respect i would rather a street piece stays on the street for a few days and then tarnished over - reason being... A piece should have an impact and be provocative IMO, well thats what i look for generally speaking in this genre, and if they are covered in perspex and preserved they become a local attraction and commercialise Banksy as a brand rather than the particular image. It becomes more about the fact it is a Banksy rather than the meaning of the image that Banksy wanted to portray. When its like this, it is in danger of becoming no better than a 'smoking kills' billboard what u guys think
Yeah, The Kissing Coppers in Brighton looks stupid kept under perspex really spoils it 
not an opinion more of a thought but... In one respect i would rather a street piece stays on the street for a few days and then tarnished over - reason being... A piece should have an impact and be provocative IMO, well thats what i look for generally speaking in this genre, and if they are covered in perspex and preserved they become a local attraction and commercialise Banksy as a brand rather than the particular image. It becomes more about the fact it is a Banksy rather than the meaning of the image that Banksy wanted to portray. When its like this, it is in danger of becoming no better than a 'smoking kills' billboard what u guys think Yeah, The Kissing Coppers in Brighton looks stupid kept under perspex really spoils it |
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Original Banksy Rat, by carlito on Oct 30, 2007 16:36:32 GMT 1, street pieces have a 'life' they'll be tagged added to, buffed etc etc they're living..its the nature of the beast, Banksy knows that, I feel they should be left to the elements no perspex for me...
street pieces have a 'life' they'll be tagged added to, buffed etc etc they're living..its the nature of the beast, Banksy knows that, I feel they should be left to the elements no perspex for me...
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Original Banksy Rat, by becksaboo on Oct 30, 2007 16:55:36 GMT 1, perspex just turns the street into a gallery- the exact opposite of it's intention
perspex just turns the street into a gallery- the exact opposite of it's intention
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Original Banksy Rat, by jonpud on Oct 30, 2007 17:06:24 GMT 1, I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!! but they've no right, who are the to play judge and jury? surely it's for everyone or no-one? if there were such a place that kept salvaged street pieces, gallery, museum etc that also had photos in situ and relavant literature then i would see that as an acceptable form of preservation. not for sale, or for profit but purely to preserve some heritage of what has gone before. work on the street transcends class and value so for someone to objectify it is beyond contempt.
Rupert, can't and won't disagree with a thing you've said mate, this topic has been discussed so many times, thing is it aint a perfect world, if it was then the art would still be there, or dismantled and set up on a new site somewhere else!! Someone would take it whether we like it or not!! I would sooner it be taken by someone who is going to appreciate it than by someone who takes it with the intention of selling it!!
If it was on a brick wall it would still be there!! Quite a nice thought that if on a builders hoarding it could possibly tour the country for many others to see!!!
Just had a brainwave!!!!!!!!!!! 
As I said earlier, I run a building company, we work all over the country, I am gonna tag all our hoardings with stencil rats and see how many end up on ebay, think it would kill the aftersale market of these pieces and perhaps then they wouldn't be worth taking in the future!! ;D ;D ;D
I am totally for street art staying on the street, but I also understand why a 'fan' would remove it from a temporary structure, if the 'fan' decides to cash in and sell then he does not deserve to own the piece, that is a different matter all together!!! but they've no right, who are the to play judge and jury? surely it's for everyone or no-one? if there were such a place that kept salvaged street pieces, gallery, museum etc that also had photos in situ and relavant literature then i would see that as an acceptable form of preservation. not for sale, or for profit but purely to preserve some heritage of what has gone before. work on the street transcends class and value so for someone to objectify it is beyond contempt. Rupert, can't and won't disagree with a thing you've said mate, this topic has been discussed so many times, thing is it aint a perfect world, if it was then the art would still be there, or dismantled and set up on a new site somewhere else!! Someone would take it whether we like it or not!! I would sooner it be taken by someone who is going to appreciate it than by someone who takes it with the intention of selling it!! If it was on a brick wall it would still be there!! Quite a nice thought that if on a builders hoarding it could possibly tour the country for many others to see!!! Just had a brainwave!!!!!!!!!!! As I said earlier, I run a building company, we work all over the country, I am gonna tag all our hoardings with stencil rats and see how many end up on ebay, think it would kill the aftersale market of these pieces and perhaps then they wouldn't be worth taking in the future!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Original Banksy Rat, by lesbianwednesdays on Oct 30, 2007 17:14:05 GMT 1, oh, i know i'm being idealistic pud but yeah, i appreciate nothing is perfect and in reality things probably will only get worse.
got to strongly agree with i think it was dave, to commodify banksy and other street artists would be a big mistake. in some ways this action by tower hamlets council might serve to perpetuate the creative cycle more than brighton's attempt at conservation.
perversely that has got to be a better thing, no?
oh, i know i'm being idealistic pud but yeah, i appreciate nothing is perfect and in reality things probably will only get worse.
got to strongly agree with i think it was dave, to commodify banksy and other street artists would be a big mistake. in some ways this action by tower hamlets council might serve to perpetuate the creative cycle more than brighton's attempt at conservation.
perversely that has got to be a better thing, no?
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Original Banksy Rat, by mainartery on Oct 30, 2007 18:03:48 GMT 1, semi permanent, is that not whats its all about
semi permanent, is that not whats its all about
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Original Banksy Rat, by Jef Aerosol on Oct 31, 2007 0:33:06 GMT 1, top post, rudeboyrupert !
If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ?
It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name !
Besides, i don't think it does anyone any good to play that "game" : if we leave it there, it'll be sold billions on ebay, etc...
If people just refused to buy art at crazy prices, things would get back to normal and everything would be so much healthier !
My message is :
- stop queuing for anything ! Refuse to wait in line !
- stop paying crazy prices for printed paper
- on the other hand, don't ask less known artists for crazily low prices !
- keep a healthy balance
- enjoy the art before worshipping names
- don't be greedy
- don't turn street art into its mere opposite !
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erm...
cough, cough...
keep a few pounds to buy my stuff !
top post, rudeboyrupert ! If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ? It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name ! Besides, i don't think it does anyone any good to play that "game" : if we leave it there, it'll be sold billions on ebay, etc... If people just refused to buy art at crazy prices, things would get back to normal and everything would be so much healthier ! My message is : - stop queuing for anything ! Refuse to wait in line ! - stop paying crazy prices for printed paper - on the other hand, don't ask less known artists for crazily low prices ! - keep a healthy balance - enjoy the art before worshipping names - don't be greedy - don't turn street art into its mere opposite ! and... erm... cough, cough... keep a few pounds to buy my stuff ! |
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Original Banksy Rat, by notitle on Oct 31, 2007 0:39:09 GMT 1, jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet)
i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough!
jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet)
i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough!
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Original Banksy Rat, by Jef Aerosol on Oct 31, 2007 0:46:00 GMT 1, jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet) i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough!
hey hey ! How are you mate ? Are the pigeons well ? getting used to their new home ?
Are you going to frame them ?
Don't sell your collection !
I'd be happy to come and stencil pigeons on your wall for a pint or two if i happen to be around ! And you'd come help me stencil some on the street around...
An some day when you have a bit of cash and see a piece of mine you fall in love with, you'll buy it...
This is how things go...
jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet) i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough! hey hey ! How are you mate ? Are the pigeons well ? getting used to their new home ? Are you going to frame them ? Don't sell your collection ! I'd be happy to come and stencil pigeons on your wall for a pint or two if i happen to be around ! And you'd come help me stencil some on the street around... An some day when you have a bit of cash and see a piece of mine you fall in love with, you'll buy it... This is how things go... |
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Original Banksy Rat, by notitle on Oct 31, 2007 0:56:11 GMT 1, jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet) i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough! hey hey ! How are you mate ? Are the pigeons well ? getting used to their new home ? Are you going to frame them ? Don't sell your collection ! I'd be happy to come and stencil pigeons on your wall for a pint or two if i happen to be around ! And you'd come help me stencil some on the street around... An some day when you have a bit of cash and see a piece of mine you fall in love with, you'll buy it... This is how things go...
I'm very well thank you! busy, but i'd be complaining if i wasn't.
Wow, I'll definitely take you up on that offer if you're ever in London (Thwaites and I will be moving down there soon). I'd be more than happy to give you a helping hand on the streets, and Thwaites and I would be more than more than happy to grab you a pint or two anytime you're in the country.
The pigeons are fantastic, I can't stop moving them around to find the perfect spot. I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect!
Thanks again, they really are the best piece of art I own. Very refreshing in light of all of this manic print-buying going on.
jef, you are the wisest man I know! (on the internet) i'm edging more and more towards selling my entire collection so that I can commission you to come and paint pigeons floor to ceiling on every wall in my home. two pigeons just isn't enough! hey hey ! How are you mate ? Are the pigeons well ? getting used to their new home ? Are you going to frame them ? Don't sell your collection ! I'd be happy to come and stencil pigeons on your wall for a pint or two if i happen to be around ! And you'd come help me stencil some on the street around... An some day when you have a bit of cash and see a piece of mine you fall in love with, you'll buy it... This is how things go... I'm very well thank you! busy, but i'd be complaining if i wasn't. Wow, I'll definitely take you up on that offer if you're ever in London (Thwaites and I will be moving down there soon). I'd be more than happy to give you a helping hand on the streets, and Thwaites and I would be more than more than happy to grab you a pint or two anytime you're in the country. The pigeons are fantastic, I can't stop moving them around to find the perfect spot. I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect! Thanks again, they really are the best piece of art I own. Very refreshing in light of all of this manic print-buying going on. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by sterlzuk on Oct 31, 2007 0:57:36 GMT 1, Why am i still getting negged? I went out of my way to go round to my mates to photograph this to stick up on the forum, and people think bad of me for doing so... I won't bother in the future - only just plucked up the courage to start getting active on the board and getting shot down straight away 
Why am i still getting negged? I went out of my way to go round to my mates to photograph this to stick up on the forum, and people think bad of me for doing so... I won't bother in the future - only just plucked up the courage to start getting active on the board and getting shot down straight away |
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Original Banksy Rat, by Jef Aerosol on Oct 31, 2007 1:05:36 GMT 1, I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect! quote] I quite like this idea of putting the "sacredness" of art into question ! You took the right decision : let your friends and visitors touch the piece, it's only a rough piece of torn cardboard after all, with a bit of sprayed paint on it... And when it's really old and worn, call me and if I'm not too old and worn myself, I'll send you another one, a different one.... And pigeons will live on !!! About meeting in London : no problem ! Come up to my show in february if you can and we'll see then, ok ?
I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect! quote] I quite like this idea of putting the "sacredness" of art into question ! You took the right decision : let your friends and visitors touch the piece, it's only a rough piece of torn cardboard after all, with a bit of sprayed paint on it... And when it's really old and worn, call me and if I'm not too old and worn myself, I'll send you another one, a different one.... And pigeons will live on !!! About meeting in London : no problem ! Come up to my show in february if you can and we'll see then, ok ? |
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Original Banksy Rat, by thwaites on Oct 31, 2007 1:19:44 GMT 1, I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect! quote] I quite like this idea of putting the "sacredness" of art into question ! You took the right decision : let your friends and visitors touch the piece, it's only a rough piece of torn cardboard after all, with a bit of sprayed paint on it... And when it's really old and worn, call me and if I'm not too old and worn myself, I'll send you another one, a different one.... And pigeons will live on !!! About meeting in London : no problem ! Come up to my show in february if you can and we'll see then, ok ? You really can't beat service like that can you! Jef you are an absolute star
I had been thinking about framing them, but to be honest I don't want them to be behind glass! It's much easier to appreciate the effort and process that you've put into them by having the card on show on its own. So that's how they'll be, propped up on a shelf for all to pick-up and examine. Perfect! quote] I quite like this idea of putting the "sacredness" of art into question ! You took the right decision : let your friends and visitors touch the piece, it's only a rough piece of torn cardboard after all, with a bit of sprayed paint on it... And when it's really old and worn, call me and if I'm not too old and worn myself, I'll send you another one, a different one.... And pigeons will live on !!! About meeting in London : no problem ! Come up to my show in february if you can and we'll see then, ok ? You really can't beat service like that can you! Jef you are an absolute star |
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Original Banksy Rat, by Strange Al on Oct 31, 2007 1:23:50 GMT 1, top post, rudeboyrupert ! If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ? It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name ! Besides, i don't think it does anyone any good to play that "game" : if we leave it there, it'll be sold billions on ebay, etc... If people just refused to buy art at crazy prices, things would get back to normal and everything would be so much healthier ! My message is : - stop queuing for anything ! Refuse to wait in line ! - stop paying crazy prices for printed paper - on the other hand, don't ask less known artists for crazily low prices ! - keep a healthy balance - enjoy the art before worshipping names - don't be greedy - don't turn street art into its mere opposite ! and... erm... cough, cough... keep a few pounds to buy my stuff !
Jef I agree with your post wholeheartedly, other than your comment:
"If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ?
It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name!"
For me Banksy's rat stencils are absolutely seminal. I've been a fan of old school graff since seeing the movie Wild Style in the 80s, but it wasn't until I saw Banksy's rats on the streets that I really began to appreciate the beautiful simplicity of stencil work. I fell in love with the rats long before I had any real notion of who Banksy was. For me few pieces of street art are as simple and effective as Banksy's rats. The fact that Banksy painted them was and is irrelevant to me. I'd love them just as much if they were painted by Joe Bloggs. They're just a great piece of street art! Now I know that Banksy was by no means the first street artist to paint rats - I've seen both Blek's and your stencils, for example - but you've got to admit there's something very special about Banksy's little army of friends. I'd argue that they're desirable in their own right - irrespective of who the artist is.
That's not to say I condone the appropriation of street pieces. Like you, I'm very much of the opinion that street art belongs on the streets for people to enjoy. It certainly should not be treated as a commodity for people to trade and profit from. The taking and selling of street art goes completely against the true ethic of graffiti and should be discouraged.
The only times I feel it's ever appropriate to take a street piece is:
1. If the artist intends for the piece to be taken (e.g., Neate); or
2. If the piece is painted on a private individual's property. In that instance, I believe the owner of the property (and only the owner) has the right to do what they like with the piece. I see it as a gift from the artist; or
3. the piece has actually been binned.
Though even in the above instances, I'd differentiate taking and profiting from.
top post, rudeboyrupert ! If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ? It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name ! Besides, i don't think it does anyone any good to play that "game" : if we leave it there, it'll be sold billions on ebay, etc... If people just refused to buy art at crazy prices, things would get back to normal and everything would be so much healthier ! My message is : - stop queuing for anything ! Refuse to wait in line ! - stop paying crazy prices for printed paper - on the other hand, don't ask less known artists for crazily low prices ! - keep a healthy balance - enjoy the art before worshipping names - don't be greedy - don't turn street art into its mere opposite ! and... erm... cough, cough... keep a few pounds to buy my stuff ! Jef I agree with your post wholeheartedly, other than your comment: "If this rat wasn't Banksy's, who would care ? It isn't an image you want to take home, it's a name!" For me Banksy's rat stencils are absolutely seminal. I've been a fan of old school graff since seeing the movie Wild Style in the 80s, but it wasn't until I saw Banksy's rats on the streets that I really began to appreciate the beautiful simplicity of stencil work. I fell in love with the rats long before I had any real notion of who Banksy was. For me few pieces of street art are as simple and effective as Banksy's rats. The fact that Banksy painted them was and is irrelevant to me. I'd love them just as much if they were painted by Joe Bloggs. They're just a great piece of street art! Now I know that Banksy was by no means the first street artist to paint rats - I've seen both Blek's and your stencils, for example - but you've got to admit there's something very special about Banksy's little army of friends. I'd argue that they're desirable in their own right - irrespective of who the artist is. That's not to say I condone the appropriation of street pieces. Like you, I'm very much of the opinion that street art belongs on the streets for people to enjoy. It certainly should not be treated as a commodity for people to trade and profit from. The taking and selling of street art goes completely against the true ethic of graffiti and should be discouraged. The only times I feel it's ever appropriate to take a street piece is: 1. If the artist intends for the piece to be taken (e.g., Neate); or 2. If the piece is painted on a private individual's property. In that instance, I believe the owner of the property (and only the owner) has the right to do what they like with the piece. I see it as a gift from the artist; or 3. the piece has actually been binned. Though even in the above instances, I'd differentiate taking and profiting from. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by Coach on Oct 31, 2007 1:27:36 GMT 1, jef, can i learn more about the pigeons please?
jef, can i learn more about the pigeons please?
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Original Banksy Rat, by Coach on Oct 31, 2007 1:28:35 GMT 1, It definitely should have been left there ! A while ago, I installed some fake streetsigns in my city and they very soon went away in spite of how carefully I had fixed them to the posts. Some time later, i met a guy who told me a friend of his had taken one and now has it on his wall at home. He took it on the very day I had put it up ! For me, this guy doesn't like street art ! When you like street art, you leave it on the street ! And if you want some for you to hang on your wall, you get in touch with the artist, or you buy originals in the galleries, or you buy prints, or you just take nice photos and print them if you want. If that guy had got in touch with me, i could have painted a sign post for him. And if he had no money, i could have tried to adapt to his budget. I have even given stuff more than once to penniless street art lovers... If having something on you wall only because it's WORTH something is your point, then you're more of a money lover than an art lover ! Especially when it is Street Art...
and back to thread - what jef said. man talks alot of sense and nothing but snese imo. 
It definitely should have been left there ! A while ago, I installed some fake streetsigns in my city and they very soon went away in spite of how carefully I had fixed them to the posts. Some time later, i met a guy who told me a friend of his had taken one and now has it on his wall at home. He took it on the very day I had put it up ! For me, this guy doesn't like street art ! When you like street art, you leave it on the street ! And if you want some for you to hang on your wall, you get in touch with the artist, or you buy originals in the galleries, or you buy prints, or you just take nice photos and print them if you want. If that guy had got in touch with me, i could have painted a sign post for him. And if he had no money, i could have tried to adapt to his budget. I have even given stuff more than once to penniless street art lovers... If having something on you wall only because it's WORTH something is your point, then you're more of a money lover than an art lover ! Especially when it is Street Art... and back to thread - what jef said. man talks alot of sense and nothing but snese imo. |
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Original Banksy Rat, by Jef Aerosol on Oct 31, 2007 1:35:52 GMT 1, JJ, totally agreed !!!
Once again, written words haven't really expressed my thoughts !
OF COURSE, I DO Love Banksy's rats too !
Actually I love all Banksy's works...
I just meant that for some people, the signature is more important than the image...
I meant that if Banksy had not become the famous artist he is today, that person wouldn't have taken that piece of fence back home !
This thread is making me think of something :
I pasted up a Syd Barrett on a blue door in Camden about a week after he died. It was a clse down bookshop and some workers were inside, altering the place... I learnt la&st summer that the place had been transformed into a shop / café and that the door was now hung on the wall inside !
I visited the place last july, and it was there ! I told the man who owns the shop that I was the artist and offered him my book (there's a pic of the door inside) and signed it for him. He was very happy and i was too ! He offered me cake and capuccino and I re-glued some parts of the pasteup and took some pics !
This is a nice example of some street piece's second life !
Will post pics soon (before / after)
JJ, totally agreed !!!
Once again, written words haven't really expressed my thoughts !
OF COURSE, I DO Love Banksy's rats too !
Actually I love all Banksy's works...
I just meant that for some people, the signature is more important than the image...
I meant that if Banksy had not become the famous artist he is today, that person wouldn't have taken that piece of fence back home !
This thread is making me think of something :
I pasted up a Syd Barrett on a blue door in Camden about a week after he died. It was a clse down bookshop and some workers were inside, altering the place... I learnt la&st summer that the place had been transformed into a shop / café and that the door was now hung on the wall inside !
I visited the place last july, and it was there ! I told the man who owns the shop that I was the artist and offered him my book (there's a pic of the door inside) and signed it for him. He was very happy and i was too ! He offered me cake and capuccino and I re-glued some parts of the pasteup and took some pics !
This is a nice example of some street piece's second life !
Will post pics soon (before / after)
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its just an interesting subject ;D
