jamieb
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by jamieb on Jun 20, 2008 17:08:59 GMT 1, Personally I really like the image, in-fact I contacted LET about it earlier in the year to see if it was a print.
It wasn't but he did offer me a canvas off it for 150 Euros which does make the price of this print way too high IMHO.
Personally I really like the image, in-fact I contacted LET about it earlier in the year to see if it was a print.
It wasn't but he did offer me a canvas off it for 150 Euros which does make the price of this print way too high IMHO.
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beefloaf
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by beefloaf on Jun 20, 2008 19:52:00 GMT 1, It is not just s-editions who are over pricing their prints, it seems like everyone is doing it. The majority of which isn't worth half the price some people charge. At least L.E.T. has put in the time, but when you are picked up by an online gallery the overheads become more expensive and more people need to be paid. Saying that, don't you know we are in an economic downturn. What I have been doing is to be really choosy and what I am going to spend my money on and not just buy any thing that is put in front of me on this forum. We used to give quite a lot of prints away for nothing. However, we were roundly criticised for doing that by members of this forum who complained that we would not be making our artists enough money by doing that. As for pricing, if 'everyone is doing it' then they are not overpriced but simply a reflection of market value. If you don't like the image, then don't buy the print. If you don't like the price then make us an offer. The worst we will do is say 'no'. The best we will do is say 'yes'.
YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT?
YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE.
I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW.
It is not just s-editions who are over pricing their prints, it seems like everyone is doing it. The majority of which isn't worth half the price some people charge. At least L.E.T. has put in the time, but when you are picked up by an online gallery the overheads become more expensive and more people need to be paid. Saying that, don't you know we are in an economic downturn. What I have been doing is to be really choosy and what I am going to spend my money on and not just buy any thing that is put in front of me on this forum. We used to give quite a lot of prints away for nothing. However, we were roundly criticised for doing that by members of this forum who complained that we would not be making our artists enough money by doing that. As for pricing, if 'everyone is doing it' then they are not overpriced but simply a reflection of market value. If you don't like the image, then don't buy the print. If you don't like the price then make us an offer. The worst we will do is say 'no'. The best we will do is say 'yes'. YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE. I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by carl on Jun 20, 2008 21:00:29 GMT 1, I dont like the fact that a copper is getting shot (even if that is by a ray of light).
I dont like the fact that a copper is getting shot (even if that is by a ray of light).
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s-editions
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 20, 2008 21:21:46 GMT 1, We used to give quite a lot of prints away for nothing. However, we were roundly criticised for doing that by members of this forum who complained that we would not be making our artists enough money by doing that. As for pricing, if 'everyone is doing it' then they are not overpriced but simply a reflection of market value. If you don't like the image, then don't buy the print. If you don't like the price then make us an offer. The worst we will do is say 'no'. The best we will do is say 'yes'. YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE. I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW.
Not joking at all - that's how it was.
As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists.
We used to give quite a lot of prints away for nothing. However, we were roundly criticised for doing that by members of this forum who complained that we would not be making our artists enough money by doing that. As for pricing, if 'everyone is doing it' then they are not overpriced but simply a reflection of market value. If you don't like the image, then don't buy the print. If you don't like the price then make us an offer. The worst we will do is say 'no'. The best we will do is say 'yes'. YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE. I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW. Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by manchestermike on Jun 21, 2008 17:55:20 GMT 1, Personally I really like the image, in-fact I contacted LET about it earlier in the year to see if it was a print. It wasn't but he did offer me a canvas off it for 150 Euros which does make the price of this print way too high IMHO.
I think the image is a cool one too, the massive 250 x 150 cm version at the Babylon Academy show looked great in the photos
Personally I really like the image, in-fact I contacted LET about it earlier in the year to see if it was a print. It wasn't but he did offer me a canvas off it for 150 Euros which does make the price of this print way too high IMHO. I think the image is a cool one too, the massive 250 x 150 cm version at the Babylon Academy show looked great in the photos
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Sacked...
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Sacked... on Jun 21, 2008 18:07:08 GMT 1, Nuffin' wrong with the image....imho.
Nuffin' wrong with the image....imho.
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beefloaf
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by beefloaf on Jun 22, 2008 7:27:49 GMT 1, YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE. I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW. Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists.
A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE.
I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME PEOPLE WERE MAD ABOUT GETTING THINGS FOR FREE. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE. I FEEL TRYING TO MAKE ANOTHER 7000 QUID ON THIS QUESTIONABLE IMAGE TO BE A NEW ALL TIME LOW. Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists. A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
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seidbereit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by seidbereit on Jun 22, 2008 9:44:49 GMT 1, Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists. A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
...and the wood, beefloaf - don't forget the wood.
Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists. A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE. ...and the wood, beefloaf - don't forget the wood.
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s-editions
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 11:00:07 GMT 1, Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists. A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
It all depends on what you do with the money that comes in, doesn't it? Maybe we choose to pay everybody particularly well and above the going rate. It's called 'socialism' and 'redistribution of wealth' - look the concepts up.
One moment you're complaining we are making too much, the next moment you are complaining we are not making enough.
Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price.
Not joking at all - that's how it was. As for making ยฃ7000, you have forgotten about printing, paper, VAT, company taxes, flying the artist to and from Germany, storage, packaging, artist's royalty etc. etc. We expect to make around ยฃ1000, which will go towards another print release, a charitable donation and funding street work by some of our artists. A 14% PROFIT MARGIN IS A PRETTY PISS POOR ROI. YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT EDGE ART AND ASK THEM FOR SOME HELP. THEY SEEM ABLE TO PUT OUT A SIMILAR DIMENSION AND SIZED EDITION THAT IS HAND DETAILED BY THE SAME ARTIST FOR HALF THE PRICE. I HOPE THEY ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. I SOMEHOW DON'T THINK THEY ARE. It all depends on what you do with the money that comes in, doesn't it? Maybe we choose to pay everybody particularly well and above the going rate. It's called 'socialism' and 'redistribution of wealth' - look the concepts up. One moment you're complaining we are making too much, the next moment you are complaining we are not making enough. Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price.
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Moron
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Moron on Jun 22, 2008 21:14:25 GMT 1, S-Editions and L.e.t.
You do not have to justify anything. I wouldn't even reply to this thread. POW would get crucified if they replied to everyones comments on here.
My opnion. Great artist and great pieces. I would definatly buy this - small edition and I like the piece overall, but I have an original on iron already.
If this was a banksy signed at ยฃ1000 you would all buy the print...admit it guys.
S-Editions and L.e.t.
You do not have to justify anything. I wouldn't even reply to this thread. POW would get crucified if they replied to everyones comments on here.
My opnion. Great artist and great pieces. I would definatly buy this - small edition and I like the piece overall, but I have an original on iron already.
If this was a banksy signed at ยฃ1000 you would all buy the print...admit it guys.
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spirit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 21:20:10 GMT 1, If this was a banksy signed at ยฃ1000 you would all buy the print...admit it guys.
Sorry moron but that is just such a pointless argument to make. If this was a Banksy it wouldn't be the same image would it? Banksy wouldn't make this image - he would make a Banksy image and it would therefore be worth a Banksy price.
What you are saying makes no more sense than me saying "If my 3 year old's painting was a Warhol original it would be worth millions"...
If this was a banksy signed at ยฃ1000 you would all buy the print...admit it guys. Sorry moron but that is just such a pointless argument to make. If this was a Banksy it wouldn't be the same image would it? Banksy wouldn't make this image - he would make a Banksy image and it would therefore be worth a Banksy price. What you are saying makes no more sense than me saying "If my 3 year old's painting was a Warhol original it would be worth millions"...
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spirit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 21:30:44 GMT 1, Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price.
The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70.
(and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225).
If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon.
Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price. The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon.
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Moron
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Moron on Jun 22, 2008 21:42:32 GMT 1, Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?).
Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand?
I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild.
M
Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?).
Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand?
I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild.
M
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:00:56 GMT 1, Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price. The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon.
Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. This is accounted for by the fact that we are using 6 colours and 6 separate screens as opposed to 1 colour and 1 varnish passed twice each through 1 or 2 screens (apologies to Edge Art if you are using 4 screens, but from your description it seems that you are using fewer). And before you start banging on about sheet size, we can tell you that it accounts for little difference in cost when compared to printing costs.
Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33?
We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts.
Not that we trust your grip on maths, since the other print is only ยฃ70 less than ours anyway - not half the price. The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon. Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. This is accounted for by the fact that we are using 6 colours and 6 separate screens as opposed to 1 colour and 1 varnish passed twice each through 1 or 2 screens (apologies to Edge Art if you are using 4 screens, but from your description it seems that you are using fewer). And before you start banging on about sheet size, we can tell you that it accounts for little difference in cost when compared to printing costs. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts.
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spirit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 22:12:29 GMT 1, The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon. Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts.
RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold.
Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120
RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower.
The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon. Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts. RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold. Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120 RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:15:15 GMT 1, Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts. RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold. Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120 RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower.
So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway.
Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts. RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold. Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120 RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower. So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:17:18 GMT 1, The number of times we have read moans on this forum about people buying up prints prior to general release! We have offered prior to release AT A DISCOUNT, and some of you are still complaining. Get over it.
The number of times we have read moans on this forum about people buying up prints prior to general release! We have offered prior to release AT A DISCOUNT, and some of you are still complaining. Get over it.
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spirit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 22:22:12 GMT 1, Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?). Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand? I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild. M
I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point.
Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?). Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand? I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild. M I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by EdgeArt on Jun 22, 2008 22:26:28 GMT 1, The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon. Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. This is accounted for by the fact that we are using 6 colours and 6 separate screens as opposed to 1 colour and 1 varnish passed twice each through 1 or 2 screens (apologies to Edge Art if you are using 4 screens, but from your description it seems that you are using fewer). And before you start banging on about sheet size, we can tell you that it accounts for little difference in cost when compared to printing costs. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts.
I'm not going to get involved in a huge debate about this about costs etc as I don't think it is necessary. We have set our price and edition, s-editions have set theirs but as we have been brought into it I will comment on one thing:
What I will clarify is the Edge Art print has two blacks for added depth of colour, white and two varnishes to achieve the desired finish.
The Edge Art print is 140. Yours is 225. Difference is 85 quid not 70. (and that's ignoring the fact that you said the actual price was 275 with a pre-order only price of 225). If your retail price is 275 and Edge Art's is 140 (for a much lower edition I might add) then the comment that yours costs double the price of theirs (give or take a fiver) is fair I reckon. Edge Art charge ยฃ140 plus ยฃ15 for shipping. We are currently selling for ยฃ225 and we ship free of charge. However you care to look at it, when you subtract ยฃ155 from ยฃ225 you always get ยฃ70. That makes ours one and a half times the price. This is accounted for by the fact that we are using 6 colours and 6 separate screens as opposed to 1 colour and 1 varnish passed twice each through 1 or 2 screens (apologies to Edge Art if you are using 4 screens, but from your description it seems that you are using fewer). And before you start banging on about sheet size, we can tell you that it accounts for little difference in cost when compared to printing costs. Edge Art have an edition of 40, we have an edition of 33. How is an edition of 40 'much lower' than an edition of 33? We like Edge Art's edition, and we support them wholeheartedly. We also like our own edition. Buy whichever you like, but don't misrepresent the facts. I'm not going to get involved in a huge debate about this about costs etc as I don't think it is necessary. We have set our price and edition, s-editions have set theirs but as we have been brought into it I will comment on one thing: What I will clarify is the Edge Art print has two blacks for added depth of colour, white and two varnishes to achieve the desired finish.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:29:22 GMT 1, Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?). Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand? I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild. M I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point.
You are an inspiration.:
-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway;
-commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of;
-complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens.
We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be.
Good Point spirit, but I am sure you get what I mean. If you have an issue with the price difference between galleries...then buy it from Edge art. You obviously want to buy the print or you (and others) wouldn't be so bleak and argue this price point - (surely?). Also does Edge art have any prints/canvases left? Supply and demand? I could be wrong and too be hoenst, I am sure I will get annilated by this post...but hey...go wild. M I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point. You are an inspiration.: -moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway; -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be.
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spirit
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 22:31:28 GMT 1, RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold. Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120 RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower. So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway.
Er.....the reason I "ignored" your explanation about why your edition was much more expensive was because IT WASN'T THERE when I replied to your post!
Please don't go and edit your post with additional information and then complain that I ignored it...that's just rude.
Look at the time of our posts. My post was made at 10.12 (after I spent a few minutes writing it). Your edit (where you added the info about the screens) was also made at 10.12.
RE the price: you seem to conveniently ignore the fact that you initially said this print would be priced at ยฃ275. With PREORDERS ONLY at ยฃ225. So lets look at it like this and compare like for like...bearing in mind that edge art is not doing pre orders and are only selling prints that are actually printed and ready to be sold. Non-preorder price from edge art: ยฃ155 icl shipping Non-preorder price from s-editions: ยฃ275 inc shipping Difference is ยฃ120 RE the edition numbers: fair enough, I misread your edition number and I apologise for that. Your edition is indeed lower. So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway. Er.....the reason I "ignored" your explanation about why your edition was much more expensive was because IT WASN'T THERE when I replied to your post! Please don't go and edit your post with additional information and then complain that I ignored it...that's just rude. Look at the time of our posts. My post was made at 10.12 (after I spent a few minutes writing it). Your edit (where you added the info about the screens) was also made at 10.12.
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s-editions
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:37:19 GMT 1, So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway. Er.....the reason I "ignored" your explanation about why your edition was much more expensive was because IT WASN'T THERE when I replied to your post! Please don't go and edit your post with additional information and then complain that I ignored it...that's just rude. Look at the time of our posts. My post was made at 10.12 (after I spent a few minutes writing it). Your edit (where you added the info about the screens) was also made at 10.12.
You are still ignoring it though - even if we accept that you didn't read it prior to your post.
So that is a current retail price of ยฃ225. And thanks so much for completely ignoring the explanation of why our edition is much more expensive to make anyway. Er.....the reason I "ignored" your explanation about why your edition was much more expensive was because IT WASN'T THERE when I replied to your post! Please don't go and edit your post with additional information and then complain that I ignored it...that's just rude. Look at the time of our posts. My post was made at 10.12 (after I spent a few minutes writing it). Your edit (where you added the info about the screens) was also made at 10.12. You are still ignoring it though - even if we accept that you didn't read it prior to your post.
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Eton Groover
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Eton Groover on Jun 22, 2008 22:37:45 GMT 1, Why can't people just let them run their own business.
On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products.
I'd just tell you to fuck off.
Why can't people just let them run their own business.
On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products.
I'd just tell you to fuck off.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:39:11 GMT 1, Why can't people just let them run their own business. On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products. I'd just tell you to f**k off.
It has occured, but we are too polite. Be our guest if you would like to though
Why can't people just let them run their own business. On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products. I'd just tell you to f**k off. It has occured, but we are too polite. Be our guest if you would like to though
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:45:29 GMT 1, Why can't people just let them run their own business. On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products. I'd just tell you to f**k off.
It is not so much the justification that concerns us - more the failure of certain people to grasp the principles of elementary mathematics. It does not bode well for the future of civilisation.
Why can't people just let them run their own business. On here having to justify their business decisions to all and sundry. People who aren't even buying their products. I'd just tell you to f**k off. It is not so much the justification that concerns us - more the failure of certain people to grasp the principles of elementary mathematics. It does not bode well for the future of civilisation.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 22:48:18 GMT 1, I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point. You are an inspiration.: -moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway; -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be.
you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time...
"-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway" My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work.
-commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me...
-complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. I never said they should be the same price...
Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this...
I certainly won't be buying this print and I doubt I'll be buying the one from EA either actually mate. If it's the image I think it might be then it's not really my cup of tea. But EA have my support (moral, if not financial at this time) for bringing out quality work at a reasonable price point. You are an inspiration.: -moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway; -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be. you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time... "-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway" My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work. -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me... -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. I never said they should be the same price... Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this...
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Eton Groover on Jun 22, 2008 22:55:57 GMT 1, Economics will out.
If the print is too expensive people won't buy it.
Ask yourself this.
Would you sell me your Banksy prints at cost plus 10% for your profit?
Bet I know the answer.
Economics will out.
If the print is too expensive people won't buy it.
Ask yourself this.
Would you sell me your Banksy prints at cost plus 10% for your profit?
Bet I know the answer.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by s-editions on Jun 22, 2008 22:56:22 GMT 1, You are an inspiration.: -moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway; -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be. you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time... "-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway" My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work. -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me... -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. I never said they should be the same price... Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this...
Setting aside the fact that your first and last points contradict each other, have you not heard of inflation? And, assuming you have a job, have you not had a pay rise in the last 2 years? And you also seem to conveniently forget the fact that we pay the artist - the more we get, the more they get.
And if you knew the first thing about printing you would realise that 6 colour screen prints don't just fall off trees fully formed into a tube.
You are an inspiration.: -moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway; -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. We are sure Edge Art's will be great, because we have talked to Mike about it. We also know ours will be. you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time... "-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway" My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work. -commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of; I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me... -complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens. I never said they should be the same price... Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this... Setting aside the fact that your first and last points contradict each other, have you not heard of inflation? And, assuming you have a job, have you not had a pay rise in the last 2 years? And you also seem to conveniently forget the fact that we pay the artist - the more we get, the more they get. And if you knew the first thing about printing you would realise that 6 colour screen prints don't just fall off trees fully formed into a tube.
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 23:00:45 GMT 1, Ask yourself this. Would you sell me your Banksy prints at cost plus 10% for your profit? Bet I know the answer.
What I'm asking myself is WTF has that got to do with anything?...
Ask yourself this. Would you sell me your Banksy prints at cost plus 10% for your profit? Bet I know the answer. What I'm asking myself is WTF has that got to do with anything?...
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Eton Groover
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COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by Eton Groover on Jun 22, 2008 23:06:50 GMT 1, You seem to be on a mission for fair pricing.
I am just illustrating that the pricing of art is a fairly abstract concept.
One persons perception of a fair price is not the same as someone elses.
You seem to be on a mission for fair pricing.
I am just illustrating that the pricing of art is a fairly abstract concept.
One persons perception of a fair price is not the same as someone elses.
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