Urban Art Association

COMING SOON FROM L.E.T., by spirit on Jun 22, 2008 23:14:41 GMT 1,

Jun 22, 2008 22:56:22 GMT 1 s-editions said:

Jun 22, 2008 22:48:18 GMT 1 spirit said:

you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time...

"-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway"
My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work.

-commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of;
I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me...

-complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens.
I never said they should be the same price...

Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this...

Setting aside the fact that your first and last points contradict each other, have you not heard of inflation? And, assuming you have a job, have you not had a pay rise in the last 2 years? And you also seem to conveniently forget the fact that we pay the artist - the more we get, the more they get.

And if you knew the first thing about printing you would realise that 6 colour screen prints don't just fall off trees fully formed into a tube.

Really...

Yes I've heard of inflation - it's currently running at about 3%pa I believe - hardly an explanation for the meteoric rise in retail print prices in the last 2 years...

Yes I have a job. I work for myself though so pay rises are not really an issue. The harder I work the more I earn.

I understand you pay the artists - I think we just disagree on what amount an average street artist and gallery should reasonably expect to make out of a print.

I happen to know a lot about printing. My job requires knowing about it. I have a pretty good idea how much screens cost along with other associated producton costs. You seem to ignore the fact that some people manage to produce multiple colour screenprints for a hell of a lot less than you do. Costs of production ARE NOT the reason why these prints are priced as they are...

Jun 22, 2008 22:56:22 GMT 1 s-editions said:

Jun 22, 2008 22:48:18 GMT 1 spirit said:

you seem to want to prolong this and attempt to make me look bad so I guess I'll have to address your points one at a time...

"-moaning about the price of something you don't want anyway"
My motives for this are based on the fact that I don't like the way some galleries feel they can charge ridiculous and ever increasing amounts of money for average work - often using the excuse of "production costs" to cover blatant cashing in. I don't think it is good for the scene at all. In the last 2 years the costs of producing screenprints has risen negligably but the costs charged for them has risen by up to 1000% - and not just for major artist's work.

-commenting on the quality of something you have not seen, and don't even know the design of;
I was talking about production quality - not the image quality. I was referring to the fact that Mike had said (on his thread not his recent comment here) that his print would have 2 blacks and 2 varnishes and was to be printed on 410gsm stock. Sounds like a quality print job to me...

-complaining that a 6 screen 6 ink print is not the same price of a print with fewer colours and screens.
I never said they should be the same price...

Anyway, whatever. Never intended to get in an argument with you about this...

Setting aside the fact that your first and last points contradict each other, have you not heard of inflation? And, assuming you have a job, have you not had a pay rise in the last 2 years? And you also seem to conveniently forget the fact that we pay the artist - the more we get, the more they get.

And if you knew the first thing about printing you would realise that 6 colour screen prints don't just fall off trees fully formed into a tube.

Really...

Yes I've heard of inflation - it's currently running at about 3%pa I believe - hardly an explanation for the meteoric rise in retail print prices in the last 2 years...

Yes I have a job. I work for myself though so pay rises are not really an issue. The harder I work the more I earn.

I understand you pay the artists - I think we just disagree on what amount an average street artist and gallery should reasonably expect to make out of a print.

I happen to know a lot about printing. My job requires knowing about it. I have a pretty good idea how much screens cost along with other associated producton costs. You seem to ignore the fact that some people manage to produce multiple colour screenprints for a hell of a lot less than you do. Costs of production ARE NOT the reason why these prints are priced as they are...