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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by ricardob on Apr 5, 2010 11:21:32 GMT 1,
"I can't believe you morons actually buy this shit"
Banksy
"I can't believe you morons actually buy this shit"
Banksy
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by howlinjack on Apr 5, 2010 11:45:04 GMT 1, depends on what he did with that $1 million dollars.
depends on what he did with that $1 million dollars.
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by spirit on Apr 5, 2010 11:51:13 GMT 1, depends on what he did with that $1 million dollars.
Exactly. Banksy does a lot of stuff that is expensive to put on but free to the public (Cans festival, Bristol Museum show etc). If he can get $1m from Sony/Cowell to do more of that then all's good.
depends on what he did with that $1 million dollars. Exactly. Banksy does a lot of stuff that is expensive to put on but free to the public (Cans festival, Bristol Museum show etc). If he can get $1m from Sony/Cowell to do more of that then all's good. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Max Beales on Apr 5, 2010 11:54:56 GMT 1, I agree with the above comments about where the money goes.
Doesn't look like he took much time making the piece though? Anyone know how big it is?
I agree with the above comments about where the money goes.
Doesn't look like he took much time making the piece though? Anyone know how big it is?
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by nah on Apr 5, 2010 12:06:17 GMT 1, wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true
wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by walshy on Apr 5, 2010 12:30:10 GMT 1, wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true
Exactly, I doubt its true.... even if most of the story is true I doubt the cost is (as money parliament would have taken months to complete and cost only 500k . I should add that the picture you used up top is not the one he sold cowell, the one above was in the show and cost less than 2k.
wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true Exactly, I doubt its true.... even if most of the story is true I doubt the cost is (as money parliament would have taken months to complete and cost only 500k . I should add that the picture you used up top is not the one he sold cowell, the one above was in the show and cost less than 2k. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by hlarmy on Apr 5, 2010 12:58:40 GMT 1, wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true I sure hope it isn't true. To me, there would be no justification for taking the money. Somebody email Banksy and get to the bottom of this...
Are you serious - why do you care so much 
wasnt this story broken by the daily mirror? might not even be true I sure hope it isn't true. To me, there would be no justification for taking the money. Somebody email Banksy and get to the bottom of this... Are you serious - why do you care so much |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by curiousgeorge on Apr 5, 2010 13:59:21 GMT 1, No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that??
I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity
No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that??
I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by walshy on Apr 5, 2010 14:12:55 GMT 1, No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that?? I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity
As I said in my post above, that piece was less than 2k and is owned by someone on this forum. Id say its just paper talk, after all Banksy is hardly gonna sue them for false storys
No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that?? I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity As I said in my post above, that piece was less than 2k and is owned by someone on this forum. Id say its just paper talk, after all Banksy is hardly gonna sue them for false storys |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by dogzero on Apr 5, 2010 14:21:46 GMT 1, This is a slap in the face to all of us who support his work.
In what way is it a slap in the face to anyone? I don't get it?
This is a slap in the face to all of us who support his work. In what way is it a slap in the face to anyone? I don't get it? |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by curiousgeorge on Apr 5, 2010 14:22:46 GMT 1, Sorry speed reading!
Someone told me a very long time ago, only believe the date in the newspaper (oh and i kid you not the weather)
Sorry speed reading!
Someone told me a very long time ago, only believe the date in the newspaper (oh and i kid you not the weather)
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by walshy on Apr 5, 2010 14:23:26 GMT 1, Sorry speed reading! Someone told me a very long time ago, only believe the date in the newspaper (oh and i kid you not the weather)
;D
Sorry speed reading! Someone told me a very long time ago, only believe the date in the newspaper (oh and i kid you not the weather) ;D |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by spirit on Apr 5, 2010 15:17:16 GMT 1, No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that?? I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity
i thought the story was that it was bought as a present for him by Sony.
No disrespect but Simon Cowell is a very shrewd businessman, do you really think he would pay 1 million $/£ for that?? I can't stand the stuff he churns out, yet massive kudos for his tenacity i thought the story was that it was bought as a present for him by Sony. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by tonysantos2001 on Apr 5, 2010 18:11:38 GMT 1, Yup, it was a present to Cowell from Sony?BMG
There are probably quite a few Banksy pictures out there that we are likely NEVER to see! Even in the radio interview for the Severnshed show the reporter mentioned that he was taking private commissions.
Banksy also produced a picture for Madonna after taking a private commission from Guy Richie.
I would absolutely LOVE to see some of these "private" works.
So, in answer to the question "Is Banksy A Sell Out?" then i can say NO! A sell out is tradiotionally somebody who pimps there creativity to others in return for cash (such as media advertising) and as we know with the exception of the Blur album cover and the Greenpeace there has been hardly any other pieces produced.
Artists have always produced private commissions, this, granted was paid for by a record company but it was an individual that instigated the purchase/commission with the intention of giving it to one other individual so i hardly think that your claims of "Selling Out!" have much merit, if thats selling out then in that case every artist you can ever think of both living and dead must ALL be sell outs.
Yup, it was a present to Cowell from Sony?BMG
There are probably quite a few Banksy pictures out there that we are likely NEVER to see! Even in the radio interview for the Severnshed show the reporter mentioned that he was taking private commissions.
Banksy also produced a picture for Madonna after taking a private commission from Guy Richie.
I would absolutely LOVE to see some of these "private" works.
So, in answer to the question "Is Banksy A Sell Out?" then i can say NO! A sell out is tradiotionally somebody who pimps there creativity to others in return for cash (such as media advertising) and as we know with the exception of the Blur album cover and the Greenpeace there has been hardly any other pieces produced.
Artists have always produced private commissions, this, granted was paid for by a record company but it was an individual that instigated the purchase/commission with the intention of giving it to one other individual so i hardly think that your claims of "Selling Out!" have much merit, if thats selling out then in that case every artist you can ever think of both living and dead must ALL be sell outs.
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by walshy on Apr 5, 2010 19:31:59 GMT 1, great post Tony
great post Tony
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by spirit on Apr 5, 2010 23:16:30 GMT 1, I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, than he's Damien Hirst. It matters.
Surely what matters is why he decided to take the money and what he did with it (if the story is true). Would your opinion change if you knew that he had given the money to charity for example? or used it to fund the Bristol Museum Show? or has it ear-marked for some as yet unrealised happening that he has in the pipeline?
I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, than he's Damien Hirst. It matters. Surely what matters is why he decided to take the money and what he did with it (if the story is true). Would your opinion change if you knew that he had given the money to charity for example? or used it to fund the Bristol Museum Show? or has it ear-marked for some as yet unrealised happening that he has in the pipeline? |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Nico on Apr 6, 2010 7:48:20 GMT 1, I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, than he's Damien Hirst. It matters. Surely what matters is why he decided to take the money and what he did with it (if the story is true). Would your opinion change if you knew that he had given the money to charity for example? or used it to fund the Bristol Museum Show? or has it ear-marked for some as yet unrealised happening that he has in the pipeline?
Guys seriously why don't you give it a rest? Hey?
Bloody hypocrisy.
Any of you would get a chance to make money from what you love doing, would you pass, on the principle you don't wanna be a sell out?
Come on, anyone would jump on the opportunity to make a living or more should you be able to.
What really matters (not even really) is what you do with it.
Who gives a shit if he's a millionaire or not, bottom line is, you once loved his art for what it was, and that has not changed, only the guy's situation/bank account.
Without Banksy, this scene would not be what it is, we all know it and should always keep that in mind.
I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, than he's Damien Hirst. It matters. Surely what matters is why he decided to take the money and what he did with it (if the story is true). Would your opinion change if you knew that he had given the money to charity for example? or used it to fund the Bristol Museum Show? or has it ear-marked for some as yet unrealised happening that he has in the pipeline? Guys seriously why don't you give it a rest? Hey? Bloody hypocrisy. Any of you would get a chance to make money from what you love doing, would you pass, on the principle you don't wanna be a sell out? Come on, anyone would jump on the opportunity to make a living or more should you be able to. What really matters (not even really) is what you do with it. Who gives a shit if he's a millionaire or not, bottom line is, you once loved his art for what it was, and that has not changed, only the guy's situation/bank account. Without Banksy, this scene would not be what it is, we all know it and should always keep that in mind. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by walshy on Apr 6, 2010 12:03:05 GMT 1, I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters.
u are getting boring now
I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters. u are getting boring now |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by denzil on Apr 6, 2010 22:33:03 GMT 1, I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters.
think you should be looking in USA,s own back garden/yard to to dig out cultural rot with people like j zed def jam ect praying over crap like axeandera burke and n dubz to see if they can make a fast buck helping them "break america" innit
I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters. think you should be looking in USA,s own back garden/yard to to dig out cultural rot with people like j zed def jam ect praying over crap like axeandera burke and n dubz to see if they can make a fast buck helping them "break america" innit |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by tonysantos2001 on Apr 7, 2010 16:12:44 GMT 1, I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters. think you should be looking in USA,s own back garden/yard to to dig out cultural rot with people like j zed def jam ect praying over crap like axeandera burke and n dubz to see if they can make a fast buck helping them "break america" innit
COULDN'T BE MORE WITH YOU, I think this guy is just trying to start a fight? If not i value your imput! I'm sure there are other artists that you could look at if you dislike Mr B so much, have you ever seen the work of a Mr Thierry Guetta? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I completely disagree. Is Banksy just an artist for hire? Will he do anything for money? If so, we should disregard his street art's social value. All those stencils done in Gaza would be meaningless. Criticizing Tesco would be hypocrisy. Is Paris Hilton getting a painting as well? Banksy would stand for nothing other than business as usual. Simon Cowell is the definition of cultural rot. Sadly, American Idol represents how low America has sunk. So it matters. What excited me about Banksy is that his work made you think. It was bigger than the establishment. The themes mattered and it was for a greater good. If all Banksy wants is to make money, then he's Damien Hirst. It matters. think you should be looking in USA,s own back garden/yard to to dig out cultural rot with people like j zed def jam ect praying over crap like axeandera burke and n dubz to see if they can make a fast buck helping them "break america" innit COULDN'T BE MORE WITH YOU, I think this guy is just trying to start a fight? If not i value your imput! I'm sure there are other artists that you could look at if you dislike Mr B so much, have you ever seen the work of a Mr Thierry Guetta? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by denzil on Apr 8, 2010 3:42:25 GMT 1, sad thing is that in the USof A simon cowell is more famous than long-legged macdaddy
sad thing is that in the USof A simon cowell is more famous than long-legged macdaddy
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Max Beales on Apr 8, 2010 10:32:49 GMT 1, From now on then, Don't buy any of his work, Don't come on here, Don't go and see "Exit.." and you're not allowed to enjoy his art anymore.
Y'know because he is such a sell out.. 
From now on then, Don't buy any of his work, Don't come on here, Don't go and see "Exit.." and you're not allowed to enjoy his art anymore. Y'know because he is such a sell out.. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by nex on Apr 8, 2010 10:52:17 GMT 1, he's entitled to his opinion, even though this is old news really, if you like his imagery it's best not to think too much about any of the other 'stuff' these days
he's entitled to his opinion, even though this is old news really, if you like his imagery it's best not to think too much about any of the other 'stuff' these days
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by jimbob68 on Apr 8, 2010 19:09:43 GMT 1, This is the dilemma that all artists have to face . If they do work that claims to criticise the wealthy and powerful they may be in the difficult position one day of having to sell their works to the same people. I know that Denning says his political position is anarchiste but there are politicians who like and even buy his work . I think it is very easy to state that an artist sells out without remembering they must eat also!! it is a hard line to say from the outside view of the collector and fan that an artist must not sell to someone . Most of them do not have the luxury to choose who to sell to
This is the dilemma that all artists have to face . If they do work that claims to criticise the wealthy and powerful they may be in the difficult position one day of having to sell their works to the same people. I know that Denning says his political position is anarchiste but there are politicians who like and even buy his work . I think it is very easy to state that an artist sells out without remembering they must eat also!! it is a hard line to say from the outside view of the collector and fan that an artist must not sell to someone . Most of them do not have the luxury to choose who to sell to
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by drflie on Apr 14, 2010 18:04:01 GMT 1, I made this image around the ides of March while wrestling with the same idea. Thought it could be relevant to this thread. ;D
I made this image around the ides of March while wrestling with the same idea. Thought it could be relevant to this thread. ;D |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Mason Storm on Apr 14, 2010 21:46:06 GMT 1, I'll give you £2,000,000 for it!
I'll give you £2,000,000 for it!
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by drflie on Apr 14, 2010 22:17:54 GMT 1, SOLD! PM my your paypal address. 
SOLD! PM my your paypal address. |
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Mason Storm on Apr 17, 2010 11:37:55 GMT 1, I would but the Banksy hit squad may find me! Tell you what I will paste the money up on a wall, you do the same with the pic and we can go tear each others work down! Its the best I can do!
I would but the Banksy hit squad may find me! Tell you what I will paste the money up on a wall, you do the same with the pic and we can go tear each others work down! Its the best I can do!
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by Mason Storm on Apr 17, 2010 11:39:47 GMT 1, And as for Banksy being a sell out, his prints certainly sell out.....lucky bugger! Its all about the cash! Given huge respect or a few million in the back I am sure I know what most street artists would opt for!
And as for Banksy being a sell out, his prints certainly sell out.....lucky bugger! Its all about the cash! Given huge respect or a few million in the back I am sure I know what most street artists would opt for!
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Is Banksy a sell-out? (Discuss), by froz on May 3, 2010 20:16:53 GMT 1, If you think about banksy selling his art at a gallery, he honestly doesnt make as much money as you may think. If you look into some galleries they only give the artist a small percentage of what they sell the print at. For instance, not saying this are correct figures but say banksy has a gallery sell his prints, he agrees on a set percentage of sales of the prints, and the rest goes to the production of/pockets of the gallery. He may only see 150-200 a print...maybe less. If his prints sold for 750 USD which i believe that is the current cost for them or around there, he may get 20-30% a print and I am pretty sure that is a high figure.
What makes someone a sell out is they lose the sight of the fact they did this because they enjoy it and for others to see and I feel he has not diverted from that path.
In in the movie, he said it was never about the money, he did not know he was going to become huge. He even did not know that Bradgelina would show up or other Hollywood A-listers to his show. It was a complete fluke.
Banksy is not the one putting himself on a pedestal, we the people are.
If you think about banksy selling his art at a gallery, he honestly doesnt make as much money as you may think. If you look into some galleries they only give the artist a small percentage of what they sell the print at. For instance, not saying this are correct figures but say banksy has a gallery sell his prints, he agrees on a set percentage of sales of the prints, and the rest goes to the production of/pockets of the gallery. He may only see 150-200 a print...maybe less. If his prints sold for 750 USD which i believe that is the current cost for them or around there, he may get 20-30% a print and I am pretty sure that is a high figure.
What makes someone a sell out is they lose the sight of the fact they did this because they enjoy it and for others to see and I feel he has not diverted from that path.
In in the movie, he said it was never about the money, he did not know he was going to become huge. He even did not know that Bradgelina would show up or other Hollywood A-listers to his show. It was a complete fluke.
Banksy is not the one putting himself on a pedestal, we the people are.
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