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Banksy in San Francisco, by hlarmy on Apr 25, 2010 8:38:10 GMT 1, I don't understand the critics about promoting the movie... None of the pieces are about the movie and the movie isn't mentionned... What's the difference before and after the movie? Nothing but he's currently there so he's doing some art on the walls around. IMO it's not promoting the movie, it's promoting art... and the movie do the same, promoting art.
Agreed; who gives a flying squirrel whether or not he's promoting the film anyway. I personally love seeing his street art so more of the same please...
I don't understand the critics about promoting the movie... None of the pieces are about the movie and the movie isn't mentionned... What's the difference before and after the movie? Nothing but he's currently there so he's doing some art on the walls around. IMO it's not promoting the movie, it's promoting art... and the movie do the same, promoting art. Agreed; who gives a flying squirrel whether or not he's promoting the film anyway. I personally love seeing his street art so more of the same please...
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Banksy in San Francisco, by spirit on Apr 25, 2010 9:09:56 GMT 1, I hope these works attract new fans who delve further into his past....they might discover old gems like this back when he seemed so much rawer and exciting as an artist with his work seeming like it actually had something to say.
That is an old gem. But I think the Red Indian No Trespassing and the PARKing are both new gems. Sure, Banksy was great back in the old days. But he's just as good, if not better now. Some of these new pieces are not his best, but I'd have no problem digging up some ropey old stuff either...
I hope these works attract new fans who delve further into his past....they might discover old gems like this back when he seemed so much rawer and exciting as an artist with his work seeming like it actually had something to say. That is an old gem. But I think the Red Indian No Trespassing and the PARKing are both new gems. Sure, Banksy was great back in the old days. But he's just as good, if not better now. Some of these new pieces are not his best, but I'd have no problem digging up some ropey old stuff either...
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Hanging Around on Apr 25, 2010 11:35:08 GMT 1, its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all.
i think you have totally missed the point here, prints and canvases are not adverts, they are the products
street art is a form of advertising, whenever someone sticks something up on the street, it is promoting either themselves as an artist, or their point of view, or a subject they think needs addressing, which is all fine, its the reality of the situation
however, what you need to take into consideration is the intent of the work and that is what has separated banksy from other street artists
i believe the intent of these street works is mainly as needless PR for the film, because for the most part, they are old recycled ideas and stuff that has been done before - if they wern't for promotion purposes, then whats the point? someone mentioned its for new fans, but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all?
its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy
its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all. i think you have totally missed the point here, prints and canvases are not adverts, they are the products street art is a form of advertising, whenever someone sticks something up on the street, it is promoting either themselves as an artist, or their point of view, or a subject they think needs addressing, which is all fine, its the reality of the situation however, what you need to take into consideration is the intent of the work and that is what has separated banksy from other street artists i believe the intent of these street works is mainly as needless PR for the film, because for the most part, they are old recycled ideas and stuff that has been done before - if they wern't for promotion purposes, then whats the point? someone mentioned its for new fans, but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all? its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy
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Banksy in San Francisco, by bigtlt on Apr 25, 2010 11:49:31 GMT 1, There will have been an awful lot of money staked in the new film, and I am sure that the movie bosses will have made it a condition that they would expect him to do a lot of these new pieces to promote the film.
Would you rather the film not been made and he kept some "underground artist" status (which he grew out of a while ago due mostly to his popularity)?
Or
The film be made, and a lot of new, albeit some recycled, street pieces going up in places that maybe would never have had the benefit of having a street piece in them areas.
I would love to have a new street piece up in Manchester be it recycled or not!
There will have been an awful lot of money staked in the new film, and I am sure that the movie bosses will have made it a condition that they would expect him to do a lot of these new pieces to promote the film.
Would you rather the film not been made and he kept some "underground artist" status (which he grew out of a while ago due mostly to his popularity)?
Or
The film be made, and a lot of new, albeit some recycled, street pieces going up in places that maybe would never have had the benefit of having a street piece in them areas.
I would love to have a new street piece up in Manchester be it recycled or not!
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Banksy in San Francisco, by boaty on Apr 25, 2010 11:51:27 GMT 1, but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all? its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy
typical of fans to want artists to not change or explore - while we ourselves are changing in our own space...the guy can't scale walls forever putting up new works - he's got to explore new methods...can't expect the ubertalented to stay stuck in the past in the underground
but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all? its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy typical of fans to want artists to not change or explore - while we ourselves are changing in our own space...the guy can't scale walls forever putting up new works - he's got to explore new methods...can't expect the ubertalented to stay stuck in the past in the underground
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Hanging Around on Apr 25, 2010 12:00:34 GMT 1, There will have been an awful lot of money staked in the new film, and I am sure that the movie bosses will have made it a condition that they would expect him to do a lot of these new pieces to promote the film. Would you rather the film not been made and he kept some "underground artist" status (which he grew out of a while ago due mostly to his popularity)? Or The film be made, and a lot of new, albeit some recycled, street pieces going up in places that maybe would never have had the benefit of having a street piece in them areas. I would love to have a new street piece up in Manchester be it recycled or not!
so is banksy now an artist or commodity/brand?
boaty - no problem with the artist evolving, the bristol show was fantastic, and i loved the film, its just the way its been promoted makes me question this particular avenue of exploring new methods
There will have been an awful lot of money staked in the new film, and I am sure that the movie bosses will have made it a condition that they would expect him to do a lot of these new pieces to promote the film. Would you rather the film not been made and he kept some "underground artist" status (which he grew out of a while ago due mostly to his popularity)? Or The film be made, and a lot of new, albeit some recycled, street pieces going up in places that maybe would never have had the benefit of having a street piece in them areas. I would love to have a new street piece up in Manchester be it recycled or not! so is banksy now an artist or commodity/brand? boaty - no problem with the artist evolving, the bristol show was fantastic, and i loved the film, its just the way its been promoted makes me question this particular avenue of exploring new methods
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Hanging Around on Apr 25, 2010 12:24:11 GMT 1, so it was confirmed it was by banksy? if so that further proves the point i was trying to make
who cares that a small time band has the same name as the film? this move was purely for image rights/copyright/branding purposes
so it was confirmed it was by banksy? if so that further proves the point i was trying to make
who cares that a small time band has the same name as the film? this move was purely for image rights/copyright/branding purposes
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Wearology on Apr 25, 2010 12:26:27 GMT 1, I have been thinking about this whole Banksy movie promotion thing for a few months now ever since the release of the movie in Europe. I came to the realization that he is a brand and he is promoting his brand by the release of his logo "The Rat" in order to sell movie tickets. I am a bit confused that Banksy says billboards are corporate vandalism but littering the streets with 8 x 10 leaflets promoting his movie is not. As for the Cali and Seattle pieces we all must realize that he does outsource his work so there will be variations in handwriting, technique and placement - but I hope he still cuts his own stencils on the smaller pieces. Most of us love Mr. B and are starting to realize that our boy is growing up and feeling his oats.
I have been thinking about this whole Banksy movie promotion thing for a few months now ever since the release of the movie in Europe. I came to the realization that he is a brand and he is promoting his brand by the release of his logo "The Rat" in order to sell movie tickets. I am a bit confused that Banksy says billboards are corporate vandalism but littering the streets with 8 x 10 leaflets promoting his movie is not. As for the Cali and Seattle pieces we all must realize that he does outsource his work so there will be variations in handwriting, technique and placement - but I hope he still cuts his own stencils on the smaller pieces. Most of us love Mr. B and are starting to realize that our boy is growing up and feeling his oats.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by streetartisdead on Apr 25, 2010 12:43:54 GMT 1, if anyone can be arsed I've put my feelings on my blog, i don't for a second think any/every one will feel the same
if anyone can be arsed I've put my feelings on my blog, i don't for a second think any/every one will feel the same
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Daniel Silk on Apr 25, 2010 12:49:35 GMT 1,
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Daniel Silk on Apr 25, 2010 12:58:31 GMT 1, By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy?
Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions
By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy? Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions
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Banksy in San Francisco, by bigtlt on Apr 25, 2010 14:00:43 GMT 1, By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy? Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions
Anyone that has a product to sell and puts something in the public eye is directly or indirectly advertising that product.
All Banksy's past street pieces although not meant as advertising, has contributed to people wanting to buy his prints, so in some ways has been a form of advertising, although I am sure this was not his aim.
I see the only problem with the new pieces being the timing.
Nobody had any problem with the street pieces used before the free museum show, or the pieces before recent print releases.
Just because there is money involved in the movie, people say he has sold out, but it is the same thing he has been doing for a long time.
By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy? Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions Anyone that has a product to sell and puts something in the public eye is directly or indirectly advertising that product. All Banksy's past street pieces although not meant as advertising, has contributed to people wanting to buy his prints, so in some ways has been a form of advertising, although I am sure this was not his aim. I see the only problem with the new pieces being the timing. Nobody had any problem with the street pieces used before the free museum show, or the pieces before recent print releases. Just because there is money involved in the movie, people say he has sold out, but it is the same thing he has been doing for a long time.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by stillborncrisps on Apr 25, 2010 14:15:14 GMT 1,
I can't be the only one to be more narked by the missing apostrophe in this?
I can't be the only one to be more narked by the missing apostrophe in this?
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Fragile on Apr 25, 2010 14:43:36 GMT 1, here's a better photo of the bird in a tree piece..... link to website on the photo
here's a better photo of the bird in a tree piece..... link to website on the photo
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Fragile on Apr 25, 2010 14:47:52 GMT 1, better context shot
better context shot
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Banksy in San Francisco, by spirit on Apr 25, 2010 14:48:55 GMT 1, By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy? Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions Anyone that has a product to sell and puts something in the public eye is directly or indirectly advertising that product. All Banksy's past street pieces although not meant as advertising, has contributed to people wanting to buy his prints, so in some ways has been a form of advertising, although I am sure this was not his aim. I see the only problem with the new pieces being the timing. Nobody had any problem with the street pieces used before the free museum show, or the pieces before recent print releases. Just because there is money involved in the movie, people say he has sold out, but it is the same thing he has been doing for a long time.
I agree. Films need promotion if anyone who is not already a fan is going to watch it - especially a documentary by a first time filmmaker from another country. The vast majority of the marketing for this film has been street pieces and paste ups - the medium of graffiti itself so I don't really see a problem with it - perhaps some people think Banksy should not be making films at all?
And what is graffiti if not a form of PR and promotion anyway? only difference is graffiti promotes a person (the artist/writer) as opposed to a product. And this film is unlike a product in the traditional sense - it is in some sense just a Banksy artwork using film as the medium. So therefore I don't really see any difference between posters/pieces advertising this film, and posters/pieces advertising the Bristol Museum show.
By these new pieces being seen by some as advertising, could it mean Banksy's Street Art might be treated in a different way in the future? Meaning rather than art they are viewed as pure advertising for brand Banksy? Just trying to explore how these things might be viewed by people coming at this from different directions Anyone that has a product to sell and puts something in the public eye is directly or indirectly advertising that product. All Banksy's past street pieces although not meant as advertising, has contributed to people wanting to buy his prints, so in some ways has been a form of advertising, although I am sure this was not his aim. I see the only problem with the new pieces being the timing. Nobody had any problem with the street pieces used before the free museum show, or the pieces before recent print releases. Just because there is money involved in the movie, people say he has sold out, but it is the same thing he has been doing for a long time. I agree. Films need promotion if anyone who is not already a fan is going to watch it - especially a documentary by a first time filmmaker from another country. The vast majority of the marketing for this film has been street pieces and paste ups - the medium of graffiti itself so I don't really see a problem with it - perhaps some people think Banksy should not be making films at all? And what is graffiti if not a form of PR and promotion anyway? only difference is graffiti promotes a person (the artist/writer) as opposed to a product. And this film is unlike a product in the traditional sense - it is in some sense just a Banksy artwork using film as the medium. So therefore I don't really see any difference between posters/pieces advertising this film, and posters/pieces advertising the Bristol Museum show.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by buddings on Apr 25, 2010 15:47:29 GMT 1, its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all. ' I pity the FOOL who thinks its the other way around ' (get you head out of your portfolio and smell the roses)
i completely agree with this. why does everyone suddenly see banksy putting stencils up as promotion? it's what he's known for.
say... if Wayne Rooney released a book tomorrow about being a footballer, would you want him to not play for the rest of the season because you fear he's only playing matches to help sell his book?
no. because thats what he does and what came first and always will come first. same for banksy.
the whole fact that he has a film out is irrelevant, he's a graffiti artist and people are criticizing him for doing graffiti?
thanks to everyone who has uploaded pictures.
its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all. ' I pity the FOOL who thinks its the other way around ' (get you head out of your portfolio and smell the roses) i completely agree with this. why does everyone suddenly see banksy putting stencils up as promotion? it's what he's known for. say... if Wayne Rooney released a book tomorrow about being a footballer, would you want him to not play for the rest of the season because you fear he's only playing matches to help sell his book? no. because thats what he does and what came first and always will come first. same for banksy. the whole fact that he has a film out is irrelevant, he's a graffiti artist and people are criticizing him for doing graffiti? thanks to everyone who has uploaded pictures.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 16:02:57 GMT 1, I can't be the only one to be more narked by the missing apostrophe in this?
Dont worry, youre not.
I can't be the only one to be more narked by the missing apostrophe in this? Dont worry, youre not.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by boaty on Apr 25, 2010 20:07:34 GMT 1, Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post...
Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay?
Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post...
Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay?
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Lettuce Bee on Apr 25, 2010 21:32:19 GMT 1, This is an image I created after a visit to SF a year ago, imagine my joy at seeing the location of a new Banksy in SF spooky Eh! I have about five of these hand pulled prints
Attachments:
This is an image I created after a visit to SF a year ago, imagine my joy at seeing the location of a new Banksy in SF spooky Eh! I have about five of these hand pulled prints Attachments:
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Fragile on Apr 25, 2010 22:33:47 GMT 1, Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post... Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay?
Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D
Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post... Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay? Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D
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Banksy in San Francisco, by krypto on Apr 25, 2010 22:37:15 GMT 1, its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all. i think you have totally missed the point here, prints and canvases are not adverts, they are the products street art is a form of advertising, whenever someone sticks something up on the street, it is promoting either themselves as an artist, or their point of view, or a subject they think needs addressing, which is all fine, its the reality of the situation however, what you need to take into consideration is the intent of the work and that is what has separated banksy from other street artists i believe the intent of these street works is mainly as needless PR for the film, because for the most part, they are old recycled ideas and stuff that has been done before - if they wern't for promotion purposes, then whats the point? someone mentioned its for new fans, but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all? its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy
i think you need to listen to what Banksy has to say!
"if you want to make a picture, make a living out of selling pictures, then you have to paint things on canvasses, and then put them up for people to buy them. But I guess what I learnt is that if I paint pictures, they're kind of like the tea towels and the ashtrays of my work really, you know, like the souvenirs of the work. The work is the real thing, and then some people with money will buy that thing on a canvas to go in their kitchen 'cause it looks okay....."
Canvas/prints/films are the teatowels/ashtrays/adverts so the man can do what he does and what he loves. end of story.
its the street , its always been about the street .. the prints - the canvas' - the film : these are the adverts . The street work is the final product .. free for all. i think you have totally missed the point here, prints and canvases are not adverts, they are the products street art is a form of advertising, whenever someone sticks something up on the street, it is promoting either themselves as an artist, or their point of view, or a subject they think needs addressing, which is all fine, its the reality of the situation however, what you need to take into consideration is the intent of the work and that is what has separated banksy from other street artists i believe the intent of these street works is mainly as needless PR for the film, because for the most part, they are old recycled ideas and stuff that has been done before - if they wern't for promotion purposes, then whats the point? someone mentioned its for new fans, but 'underground' street artists shouldn't be concerned about attracting new fans - if there is nothing new to say, why say anything at all? its interesting someone posted the video 'the joy of being sold nothing' because that was very much what older banksy was about (although undoubtedly there was still some good PR going on back then) now i think we're seeing a new mainstream, commercial banksy i think you need to listen to what Banksy has to say! "if you want to make a picture, make a living out of selling pictures, then you have to paint things on canvasses, and then put them up for people to buy them. But I guess what I learnt is that if I paint pictures, they're kind of like the tea towels and the ashtrays of my work really, you know, like the souvenirs of the work. The work is the real thing, and then some people with money will buy that thing on a canvas to go in their kitchen 'cause it looks okay....." Canvas/prints/films are the teatowels/ashtrays/adverts so the man can do what he does and what he loves. end of story.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by boaty on Apr 25, 2010 22:38:40 GMT 1, Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post... Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay? Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D
Arghhhhhhh! Congratulations Fragile - well done! I really wanted that one.....
Sorry to hijack this thread - but not sure where else to post... Is it a forum member selling the above Stop and Search on ebay? Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D Arghhhhhhh! Congratulations Fragile - well done! I really wanted that one.....
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Fragile on Apr 25, 2010 22:41:14 GMT 1, Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D Arghhhhhhh! Congratulations Fragile - well done! I really wanted that one.....
Sorry ;D
Don't know, but I'm the new owner of it ;D Arghhhhhhh! Congratulations Fragile - well done! I really wanted that one..... Sorry ;D
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Happy Shopper on Apr 25, 2010 23:11:24 GMT 1, I don't see anything wrong with this "marketing". He actually paid for billboards in New York, while the Pet Shop was open. This is just Banksy on tour... Why not do some pieces while he's in town? He's not selling t-shirts or anything like that.
I don't see anything wrong with this "marketing". He actually paid for billboards in New York, while the Pet Shop was open. This is just Banksy on tour... Why not do some pieces while he's in town? He's not selling t-shirts or anything like that.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Warm Gun on Apr 25, 2010 23:39:27 GMT 1, It's nice to finally see a head on angle of that bird. I like this piece, simple but effective.
It's nice to finally see a head on angle of that bird. I like this piece, simple but effective.
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Banksy in San Francisco, by Pure Evil on Apr 25, 2010 23:44:57 GMT 1,
birds in street art are so f**kin HOT right now... Birds are like the new monkeys
birds in street art are so f**kin HOT right now... Birds are like the new monkeys
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Banksy in San Francisco, by walshy on Apr 26, 2010 0:07:54 GMT 1, I have been thinking about this whole Banksy movie promotion thing for a few months now ever since the release of the movie in Europe. I came to the realization that he is a brand and he is promoting his brand by the release of his logo "The Rat" in order to sell movie tickets. I am a bit confused that Banksy says billboards are corporate vandalism but littering the streets with 8 x 10 leaflets promoting his movie is not. As for the Cali and Seattle pieces we all must realize that he does outsource his work so there will be variations in handwriting, technique and placement - but I hope he still cuts his own stencils on the smaller pieces. Most of us love Mr. B and are starting to realize that our boy is growing up and feeling his oats.
The seattle pieces are not banksy, seriously dude. Why would he put up work of the standard he has and then pay someone to spray some crappy rats on an old door ?
I have been thinking about this whole Banksy movie promotion thing for a few months now ever since the release of the movie in Europe. I came to the realization that he is a brand and he is promoting his brand by the release of his logo "The Rat" in order to sell movie tickets. I am a bit confused that Banksy says billboards are corporate vandalism but littering the streets with 8 x 10 leaflets promoting his movie is not. As for the Cali and Seattle pieces we all must realize that he does outsource his work so there will be variations in handwriting, technique and placement - but I hope he still cuts his own stencils on the smaller pieces. Most of us love Mr. B and are starting to realize that our boy is growing up and feeling his oats. The seattle pieces are not banksy, seriously dude. Why would he put up work of the standard he has and then pay someone to spray some crappy rats on an old door ?
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