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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 18:54:03 GMT 1, I will preface this by saying, the *only* reason this is going public is because somehow I am blocked from sending burn111 Private Messages... I assume burn111 chose to do this as to put me 'out of sight, out of mind'.
I had posted an thread a while back and burn111 messaged me with something along the lines of what I was looking for. He presented pictures, we negotiated on price, and reached a fair deal. The piece was sent, then when it touched down I had some questions about it.
It turns out the following...
1) The piece itself was damaged before being sent and was never disclosed. After telling burn111 about it, his response was "damage? what damage".
2) The piece he was selling wasn't even his, he was selling for a mate. This too was never disclosed. Now, in order to get the answers to my questions (provenance, history, receipts, etc) I/he would have to talk to his friend. He also gave me his 'friends' e-mail address, but no response was ever received.
3) The piece was a 'test print', not part of an official run. Turns out his friend is/was a screen printer, yadda-yadda-yadda. Again, never disclosed before the sale.
Now, in response to all this burn111 made the offer: "i have no probs of you sending it back if your not 100% happy with it i just sold this for a mate".
I did not take him up on it immediately and I told him, all I really want is the answers to my questions - but after numerous failed responses, I decided to play it safe and request the refund.
Last PM from burn111: "ok thats fine mate send all you paypal info to his email and he will send the cash back"
Now, we're at the point where no refund has been given, burn111 has disabled his PMs from me and I have no other recourse .
I hope this thread will generate some action from burn111... but if not, hopefully it makes anyone aware of his BS and to be extra cautious buying on here, even from long standing members.
So what's the explanation burn? Where's the refund? Where's your "mate"?
-M
I will preface this by saying, the *only* reason this is going public is because somehow I am blocked from sending burn111 Private Messages... I assume burn111 chose to do this as to put me 'out of sight, out of mind'.
I had posted an thread a while back and burn111 messaged me with something along the lines of what I was looking for. He presented pictures, we negotiated on price, and reached a fair deal. The piece was sent, then when it touched down I had some questions about it.
It turns out the following...
1) The piece itself was damaged before being sent and was never disclosed. After telling burn111 about it, his response was "damage? what damage".
2) The piece he was selling wasn't even his, he was selling for a mate. This too was never disclosed. Now, in order to get the answers to my questions (provenance, history, receipts, etc) I/he would have to talk to his friend. He also gave me his 'friends' e-mail address, but no response was ever received.
3) The piece was a 'test print', not part of an official run. Turns out his friend is/was a screen printer, yadda-yadda-yadda. Again, never disclosed before the sale.
Now, in response to all this burn111 made the offer: "i have no probs of you sending it back if your not 100% happy with it i just sold this for a mate".
I did not take him up on it immediately and I told him, all I really want is the answers to my questions - but after numerous failed responses, I decided to play it safe and request the refund.
Last PM from burn111: "ok thats fine mate send all you paypal info to his email and he will send the cash back"
Now, we're at the point where no refund has been given, burn111 has disabled his PMs from me and I have no other recourse .
I hope this thread will generate some action from burn111... but if not, hopefully it makes anyone aware of his BS and to be extra cautious buying on here, even from long standing members.
So what's the explanation burn? Where's the refund? Where's your "mate"?
-M
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by elwheel on Jun 1, 2010 19:27:56 GMT 1,  Snidey actions
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rinaceirde on Jun 1, 2010 20:09:25 GMT 1, one bad egg
one bad egg
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 1, 2010 20:15:35 GMT 1, name the print so we know to avoid
name the print so we know to avoid
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by burn111 on Jun 1, 2010 21:02:00 GMT 1, um i haven't blocked your PMS
1) The piece itself was damaged before being sent and was never disclosed. After telling burn111 about it, his response was "damage? what damage".
Yes i sent the obey to you and asked if you could send me pics of the damage which you didn't
2) The piece he was selling wasn't even his, he was selling for a mate. This too was never disclosed. Now, in order to get the answers to my questions (provenance, history, receipts, etc) I/he would have to talk to his friend. He also gave me his 'friends' e-mail address, but no response was ever received.
When a gallery sells ther prints or originals do they tell you the owner?
3) The piece was a 'test print', not part of an official run. Turns out his friend is/was a screen printer, yadda-yadda-yadda. Again, never disclosed before the sale.
which it was and i told you this before you brought it if this was a editions of a official run this would of cost you over ยฃ5000 not ยฃ400
Now, in response to all this burn111 made the offer: "i have no probs of you sending it back if your not 100% happy with it i just sold this for a mate".
I did not take him up on it immediately and I told him, all I really want is the answers to my questions - but after numerous failed responses, I decided to play it safe and request the refund.
As like i said if you wasn't happy with it which you was and i can dig out the email if you like you should of sent it straight back no probs but you didn't and i have replied to all your emails so i don't no why you are saying you cant send me messages
um i haven't blocked your PMS
1) The piece itself was damaged before being sent and was never disclosed. After telling burn111 about it, his response was "damage? what damage".
Yes i sent the obey to you and asked if you could send me pics of the damage which you didn't
2) The piece he was selling wasn't even his, he was selling for a mate. This too was never disclosed. Now, in order to get the answers to my questions (provenance, history, receipts, etc) I/he would have to talk to his friend. He also gave me his 'friends' e-mail address, but no response was ever received.
When a gallery sells ther prints or originals do they tell you the owner?
3) The piece was a 'test print', not part of an official run. Turns out his friend is/was a screen printer, yadda-yadda-yadda. Again, never disclosed before the sale.
which it was and i told you this before you brought it if this was a editions of a official run this would of cost you over ยฃ5000 not ยฃ400
Now, in response to all this burn111 made the offer: "i have no probs of you sending it back if your not 100% happy with it i just sold this for a mate".
I did not take him up on it immediately and I told him, all I really want is the answers to my questions - but after numerous failed responses, I decided to play it safe and request the refund.
As like i said if you wasn't happy with it which you was and i can dig out the email if you like you should of sent it straight back no probs but you didn't and i have replied to all your emails so i don't no why you are saying you cant send me messages
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by spenie1975 on Jun 1, 2010 21:06:05 GMT 1, Shame really, not the first thread we've seen like this of late either.
Shame really, not the first thread we've seen like this of late either.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 1, 2010 21:15:32 GMT 1, 'malcolm x' on metal? i was offered that back in january for ยฃ700. would be interested to know what damage it has sustained? i was told prov could have been obtained from shep as well as the printer friend.
'malcolm x' on metal? i was offered that back in january for ยฃ700. would be interested to know what damage it has sustained? i was told prov could have been obtained from shep as well as the printer friend.
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 22:21:47 GMT 1, 'malcolm x' on metal? i was offered that back in january for ยฃ700. would be interested to know what damage it has sustained? i was told prov could have been obtained from shep as well as the printer friend.
I would love Prov.
burn111 - care to chime in?
-M
'malcolm x' on metal? i was offered that back in january for ยฃ700. would be interested to know what damage it has sustained? i was told prov could have been obtained from shep as well as the printer friend. I would love Prov. burn111 - care to chime in? -M |
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 22:51:43 GMT 1, Additionally... Every time you referenced 'Your' e-mail address and 'Your' PayPal address and send 'me' the PayPal payment leading up to the transaction - Now it is "My mate's" e-mail address and "his' PayPal account and 'he' will send you the cash back.
Misleading if not dishonest in my book.
Additionally... Every time you referenced 'Your' e-mail address and 'Your' PayPal address and send 'me' the PayPal payment leading up to the transaction - Now it is "My mate's" e-mail address and "his' PayPal account and 'he' will send you the cash back.
Misleading if not dishonest in my book.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 1, 2010 22:56:36 GMT 1,
you're talking about him not telling you about his friend being the printer, not about it being a test print, right?
you're talking about him not telling you about his friend being the printer, not about it being a test print, right?
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 22:58:26 GMT 1, you're talking about him not telling you about his friend being the printer, not about it being a test print, right?
No word that is was a test print OR that this was a "friends" print until AFTER I received it.
you're talking about him not telling you about his friend being the printer, not about it being a test print, right? No word that is was a test print OR that this was a "friends" print until AFTER I received it. |
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by epicfai on Jun 1, 2010 23:02:15 GMT 1, caveat emptor.
caveat emptor.
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 23:04:47 GMT 1, 
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 1, 2010 23:05:33 GMT 1, err, didn't you wonder why it was only ยฃ400? do you not ask if a piece is signed/numbered? it's sounding like a gamble that didn't pay off.
err, didn't you wonder why it was only ยฃ400? do you not ask if a piece is signed/numbered? it's sounding like a gamble that didn't pay off.
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Karl Read
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Karl Read on Jun 1, 2010 23:17:04 GMT 1, So am i right in saying there is no marked proof? ie. AP, PP TP, etc, etc and no signature?
So am i right in saying there is no marked proof? ie. AP, PP TP, etc, etc and no signature?
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 23:19:58 GMT 1, So am i right in saying there is no marked proof? ie. AP, PP TP, etc, etc and no signature?
Correct.
-M
So am i right in saying there is no marked proof? ie. AP, PP TP, etc, etc and no signature? Correct. -M |
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Karl Read on Jun 1, 2010 23:24:33 GMT 1, It would be worth sending a mail over to the guys at obey. They are super helpful and might be able to authenticate it.
Shep sometimes signs artwork at shows etc. It would depend on if it went out the back door with out him knowing though i think. Worth a go mate.
It would be worth sending a mail over to the guys at obey. They are super helpful and might be able to authenticate it.
Shep sometimes signs artwork at shows etc. It would depend on if it went out the back door with out him knowing though i think. Worth a go mate.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 1, 2010 23:28:24 GMT 1, It would be worth sending a mail over to the guys at obey. They are super helpful and might be able to authenticate it. Shep sometimes signs artwork at shows etc. It would depend on if it went out the back door with out him knowing though i think. Worth a go mate.
Four e-mails to two different e-mail addresses at Obey and no response.
My story from burn111 is murky at best... One of the reasons I had requested the back story on the piece from burn111 - so I could take that story to Obey and see what they say.
But even that I can't get out of him.
It would be worth sending a mail over to the guys at obey. They are super helpful and might be able to authenticate it. Shep sometimes signs artwork at shows etc. It would depend on if it went out the back door with out him knowing though i think. Worth a go mate. Four e-mails to two different e-mail addresses at Obey and no response. My story from burn111 is murky at best... One of the reasons I had requested the back story on the piece from burn111 - so I could take that story to Obey and see what they say. But even that I can't get out of him. |
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 1, 2010 23:31:54 GMT 1, There's a 'deal' and then there's 'too good to be true'. I would be surprised if it was never disclosed as being a test print. I think you should just focus on the damage/prov issues. If you just can't live with it, return/refund.
There's a 'deal' and then there's 'too good to be true'. I would be surprised if it was never disclosed as being a test print. I think you should just focus on the damage/prov issues. If you just can't live with it, return/refund.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by lifeonwalls on Jun 1, 2010 23:53:35 GMT 1, try jaspr@obeygiant.com as well.
she was always helpful, might be able point you in the right direction.
try jaspr@obeygiant.com as well.
she was always helpful, might be able point you in the right direction.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by burn111 on Jun 2, 2010 9:09:11 GMT 1, err, didn't you wonder why it was only ยฃ400? do you not ask if a piece is signed/numbered? it's sounding like a gamble that didn't pay off. Is that really relevant? I thought I was getting a deal - yes. But I wasn't told it was a printers print, I wasn't told it was his friends, I wasn't told it was damaged. Besides, I haven't been b**ching up a storm over this. I asked more then politely five times for info, followed every step I was told, then when offered a refund I said 'ok'. . . . I have a NOLA for sale for ยฃ2000, I'm in a bind. Want to buy it? Great. Just PayPal me. Oh, by the way if it shows up and is damaged, sorry - it's not actually mine, I can't help you, and if you need a refund - no problem. But I can't actually refund you because when I told you to PayPal 'me' I actually meant 'my mate'... Just talk to him.  There's right and wrong ways of doing business here... Sure Buyer Beware... but that doesn't excuse anything.
i said to you when you got this obey if your not 100% happy with this SEND IT BACK! which you didn't coz you was happy with it then a few weeks later you start emailing me asking about the prov and the info on this which i gave you and also gave you the email of the bloke you got this from
i have made NO money out of this at all!!!!!! i was only selling this for a mate that has loads of art and wanted to get rid of a few bits
and i don't no why its saying i have blocked you whats the point of that if i didn't want anything more to do with you i would of just deleted my account but i have noting to hide you had pics of the obey before you got it and i didn't no ther was any damage on this but you pointed it out to me and i asked to see pics of it and you didn't send any so I'm just going off your word for it
and for the prov and Sig if you send it back i will get it signed for you and get a COA but it will cost you ยฃ5000 for the Obey on metal  ??
err, didn't you wonder why it was only ยฃ400? do you not ask if a piece is signed/numbered? it's sounding like a gamble that didn't pay off. Is that really relevant? I thought I was getting a deal - yes. But I wasn't told it was a printers print, I wasn't told it was his friends, I wasn't told it was damaged. Besides, I haven't been b**ching up a storm over this. I asked more then politely five times for info, followed every step I was told, then when offered a refund I said 'ok'. . . . I have a NOLA for sale for ยฃ2000, I'm in a bind. Want to buy it? Great. Just PayPal me. Oh, by the way if it shows up and is damaged, sorry - it's not actually mine, I can't help you, and if you need a refund - no problem. But I can't actually refund you because when I told you to PayPal 'me' I actually meant 'my mate'... Just talk to him. There's right and wrong ways of doing business here... Sure Buyer Beware... but that doesn't excuse anything. you did get a good deal i no wer this come from so its 100% real i said to you when you got this obey if your not 100% happy with this SEND IT BACK! which you didn't coz you was happy with it then a few weeks later you start emailing me asking about the prov and the info on this which i gave you and also gave you the email of the bloke you got this from i have made NO money out of this at all!!!!!! i was only selling this for a mate that has loads of art and wanted to get rid of a few bits and i don't no why its saying i have blocked you whats the point of that if i didn't want anything more to do with you i would of just deleted my account but i have noting to hide you had pics of the obey before you got it and i didn't no ther was any damage on this but you pointed it out to me and i asked to see pics of it and you didn't send any so I'm just going off your word for it and for the prov and Sig if you send it back i will get it signed for you and get a COA but it will cost you ยฃ5000 for the Obey on metal ?? |
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Karl Read on Jun 2, 2010 9:59:17 GMT 1, This wouldnt cost ยฃ5000 if signed buy shep as part of the edition.
This wouldnt cost ยฃ5000 if signed buy shep as part of the edition.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by burn111 on Jun 2, 2010 10:55:47 GMT 1, well i dont really give a shit what its worth
he was happy with the price so no probs
he was happy with the pics i sent him so no probs
he was happy with the obey when it turned up so no probs
i gave him all the info i had on the obey so no probs
i passed him my mates pay pal info for payment and gave him his email to get anymore info that he wanted so no probs
its not my fault if my mate wants to be a cunt and not have anything to do with you or want to give you a refund i cant send you back any money i dont have as like i said i made 0ยฃs on this
if you take the obey to shep and tell him stuart printed this you will get the info you need he does 85% of sheps printing work like eine did banksys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well i dont really give a shit what its worth
he was happy with the price so no probs
he was happy with the pics i sent him so no probs
he was happy with the obey when it turned up so no probs
i gave him all the info i had on the obey so no probs
i passed him my mates pay pal info for payment and gave him his email to get anymore info that he wanted so no probs
its not my fault if my mate wants to be a cunt and not have anything to do with you or want to give you a refund i cant send you back any money i dont have as like i said i made 0ยฃs on this
if you take the obey to shep and tell him stuart printed this you will get the info you need he does 85% of sheps printing work like eine did banksys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by jackstranger on Jun 2, 2010 12:51:21 GMT 1, ... its not my fault if my mate wants to be a c**t and not have anything to do with you or want to give you a refund i cant send you back any money i dont have as like i said i made 0ยฃs on this ...
I will not discuss all the process, as it is not really clear to me, but of course you have responsibility. If you are selling something from someone, you are the seller and it is your responsibility for the product you sell and for the business. The buyer will only have to deal with you not with friends or whoever...
It is you who needs to solve the problem with your friend.
... its not my fault if my mate wants to be a c**t and not have anything to do with you or want to give you a refund i cant send you back any money i dont have as like i said i made 0ยฃs on this ... I will not discuss all the process, as it is not really clear to me, but of course you have responsibility. If you are selling something from someone, you are the seller and it is your responsibility for the product you sell and for the business. The buyer will only have to deal with you not with friends or whoever... It is you who needs to solve the problem with your friend. |
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by burn111 on Jun 2, 2010 13:35:28 GMT 1, look i don't really give a s**t no more you wanted the obey you got it for the price you wanted to pay which is cheap as my mate payed ยฃ1000 for 2 obeys on metal and a print
you never asked any questions about the obey till you got it which you should of asked and i would of told you
you have all the info you need and if you don't like it email matey and ask for your cash back
you got all his info name address paypal and email do what u want to do....
look i don't really give a s**t no more you wanted the obey you got it for the price you wanted to pay which is cheap as my mate payed ยฃ1000 for 2 obeys on metal and a print
you never asked any questions about the obey till you got it which you should of asked and i would of told you
you have all the info you need and if you don't like it email matey and ask for your cash back
you got all his info name address paypal and email do what u want to do....
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by jackstranger on Jun 2, 2010 14:02:32 GMT 1, Why not take the case through Paypal complaint procedure? (assuming it was paid using Paypal)
Just go to your Paypal payment, open a case for 'not as described' and follow the procedure to receive a refund. This will take time and you need to return the print using registered and tracking mail.
Take pictures before you send it, so both parts are aware of the details of the problem.
Why not take the case through Paypal complaint procedure? (assuming it was paid using Paypal)
Just go to your Paypal payment, open a case for 'not as described' and follow the procedure to receive a refund. This will take time and you need to return the print using registered and tracking mail.
Take pictures before you send it, so both parts are aware of the details of the problem.
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