jackstranger
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by jackstranger on Jun 2, 2010 15:16:08 GMT 1, So the Paypal 45 days are already gone?
So the Paypal 45 days are already gone?
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 2, 2010 15:20:43 GMT 1, So the Paypal 45 days are already gone?
Yup. Pretty convenient. It took a while to ship it, then transit to the states, then this run around drained the clock. I shoulda seen it coming.
So the Paypal 45 days are already gone? Yup. Pretty convenient. It took a while to ship it, then transit to the states, then this run around drained the clock. I shoulda seen it coming.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by burn111 on Jun 2, 2010 15:40:38 GMT 1, look mate i tryed to help you out with all the info i had
TAKE THE OBEY TO SHEP AND TELL HIM STUART PRINTED IT AND YOU WILL GET YOUR INFO
now you can go fuck your self you have made me out to be a cunt so you can put your obey up your ass i dont give a fuck no more! about you or this gay forum!!!!!!
look mate i tryed to help you out with all the info i had
TAKE THE OBEY TO SHEP AND TELL HIM STUART PRINTED IT AND YOU WILL GET YOUR INFO
now you can go fuck your self you have made me out to be a cunt so you can put your obey up your ass i dont give a fuck no more! about you or this gay forum!!!!!!
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Harveyn
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Harveyn on Jun 2, 2010 15:42:11 GMT 1, This thread really is pitiful reading.
If you are selling something on someone else's behave then you should be involved in attempting to resolve all subsequent issues. Of this there can be no debate (legally or morally).
I am not saying whether the issues are founded or not.
Was provenance asked for prior to the deal or not? If not then you have no right to make it part of the deal now.
If the piece was misrepresented as in having come from Obey (usually signed and numbered) explicit or implicit then you have a right to return the item. I also believe that if you are asking for provenance under these circumstandes (peace of mind) then again you have the right to do so.
Damage is always tricky as you have to prove where it occurred.
Above all communication on both sides should be open, regular and pro-active.
This thread really is pitiful reading.
If you are selling something on someone else's behave then you should be involved in attempting to resolve all subsequent issues. Of this there can be no debate (legally or morally).
I am not saying whether the issues are founded or not.
Was provenance asked for prior to the deal or not? If not then you have no right to make it part of the deal now.
If the piece was misrepresented as in having come from Obey (usually signed and numbered) explicit or implicit then you have a right to return the item. I also believe that if you are asking for provenance under these circumstandes (peace of mind) then again you have the right to do so.
Damage is always tricky as you have to prove where it occurred.
Above all communication on both sides should be open, regular and pro-active.
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Harveyn
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Harveyn on Jun 2, 2010 15:43:41 GMT 1, look mate i tryed to help you out with all the info i had TAKE THE OBEY TO SHEP AND TELL HIM STUART PRINTED IT AND YOU WILL GET YOUR INFO now you can go f**k your self you have made me out to be a c**t so you can put your obey up your ass i dont give a f**k no more! about you or this gay forum!!!!!!
I type way to slow. This is probably not the best approach and not exactly what I meant (LOL).
look mate i tryed to help you out with all the info i had TAKE THE OBEY TO SHEP AND TELL HIM STUART PRINTED IT AND YOU WILL GET YOUR INFO now you can go f**k your self you have made me out to be a c**t so you can put your obey up your ass i dont give a f**k no more! about you or this gay forum!!!!!! I type way to slow. This is probably not the best approach and not exactly what I meant (LOL).
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 2, 2010 15:51:06 GMT 1, burn111 - I'm not sure if you're truly off your rocker, or think you actually gave me the info - but you didn't. I've gotten more info out of this thread then all your PMs combined (and that's not a whole lot).
By no means did I make you out to be a c**t. You seem to have done that all by yourself.
Glad this worked out so well.
burn111 - I'm not sure if you're truly off your rocker, or think you actually gave me the info - but you didn't. I've gotten more info out of this thread then all your PMs combined (and that's not a whole lot). By no means did I make you out to be a c**t. You seem to have done that all by yourself. Glad this worked out so well.
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gritty
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by gritty on Jun 2, 2010 15:52:11 GMT 1, I think just saying, 'well you should have asked and i would have told you' isn't really the done thing is it? I'd expect to be given all information available on the piece regardless of how much of a deal it seems.
I think just saying, 'well you should have asked and i would have told you' isn't really the done thing is it? I'd expect to be given all information available on the piece regardless of how much of a deal it seems.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by rosstierney on Jun 2, 2010 15:54:02 GMT 1, best rant ever! i'm laughing my tits off.
best rant ever! i'm laughing my tits off.
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bristolboy
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by bristolboy on Jun 2, 2010 16:01:32 GMT 1, If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused?
If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused?
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 2, 2010 16:04:18 GMT 1, If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused?
If so, might need to change your name to
'bristolboy4boy'
If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? If so, might need to change your name to 'bristolboy4boy'
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jackstranger
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by jackstranger on Jun 2, 2010 16:07:26 GMT 1, So the Paypal 45 days are already gone? Yup. Pretty convenient. It took a while to ship it, then transit to the states, then this run around drained the clock. I shoulda seen it coming.
I never do that. If there is a single issue, delay receiving, etc I raise a query in Paypal close to the 45 days (what is a long peridod), this way I will be protected in the future, if needed.
If you do this and you want to be polite with the seller, you can mail him a separate polite email, saying that you will open a case (if for example you did not received the item) trying to protect both parties, etc., and never trying to threaten him. The seller has now a timetable to reply on Paypal and you also have another 20 days on top to upgrade it for a claim (if needed). Just my way of working this issues.
Always be polite, truthful and detailed in any communication, what helps Paypal to be on your side.
So the Paypal 45 days are already gone? Yup. Pretty convenient. It took a while to ship it, then transit to the states, then this run around drained the clock. I shoulda seen it coming. I never do that. If there is a single issue, delay receiving, etc I raise a query in Paypal close to the 45 days (what is a long peridod), this way I will be protected in the future, if needed. If you do this and you want to be polite with the seller, you can mail him a separate polite email, saying that you will open a case (if for example you did not received the item) trying to protect both parties, etc., and never trying to threaten him. The seller has now a timetable to reply on Paypal and you also have another 20 days on top to upgrade it for a claim (if needed). Just my way of working this issues. Always be polite, truthful and detailed in any communication, what helps Paypal to be on your side.
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jackstranger
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by jackstranger on Jun 2, 2010 16:09:34 GMT 1, If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? If so, might need to change your name to 'bristolboy4boy'
or 'bristolrentboy4 boy' ;D ;D
If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? If so, might need to change your name to 'bristolboy4boy' or 'bristolrentboy4 boy' ;D ;D
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bristolboy
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by bristolboy on Jun 2, 2010 16:16:01 GMT 1, If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? If so, might need to change your name to 'bristolboy4boy'
I prefer bristolboyzone, but im easy.
If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? If so, might need to change your name to 'bristolboy4boy' I prefer bristolboyzone, but im easy.
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nacional
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by nacional on Jun 2, 2010 16:51:30 GMT 1, I don't think he was calling forum members gay, but the actual forum, hence "this gay forum". I think the Dface stuff above should be replaced with pics of gay icons the forum itself should dress in a nice chiffon blouse, mince down Old Compton Street, talk with just the hint of a lisp and hang out on Hampstead Heath at the weekend...
I don't think he was calling forum members gay, but the actual forum, hence "this gay forum". I think the Dface stuff above should be replaced with pics of gay icons the forum itself should dress in a nice chiffon blouse, mince down Old Compton Street, talk with just the hint of a lisp and hang out on Hampstead Heath at the weekend...
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by joseparla on Jun 2, 2010 18:49:42 GMT 1, all this bollox from 1 member to another, when are we going to see a fist fight.... otherwise its just boring and so fruitless
all this bollox from 1 member to another, when are we going to see a fist fight.... otherwise its just boring and so fruitless
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nacional
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by nacional on Jun 2, 2010 19:19:45 GMT 1, Or perhaps handbags at dawn...
Or perhaps handbags at dawn...
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lifeonwalls
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by lifeonwalls on Jun 2, 2010 19:43:47 GMT 1, now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up.
sorry to hear about all of this Matt. Certainly sucks that he gave you the run-around.
now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up.
sorry to hear about all of this Matt. Certainly sucks that he gave you the run-around.
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Heavyconsumer
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Heavyconsumer on Jun 2, 2010 20:42:06 GMT 1, burn111 - I'm not sure if you're truly off your rocker, or think you actually gave me the info - but you didn't. I've gotten more info out of this thread then all your PMs combined (and that's not a whole lot). By no means did I make you out to be a c**t. You seem to have done that all by yourself. Glad this worked out so well.
I can't see what he's so upset about, as his "mate" has totally screwed his credability and he should be taking full responsibility for any deal he fronts in here if he cares about that credability, ESPECIALLY if he didn't make it clear from the get go that he was dealing on someone else's behalf. Regardless of what he did or didn't make, imo he should accept full financial responsibility and eat the cost of a refund here or be only too pleased to accept a dent in his credability.
From the way this thread reads, this was his deal with a fellow forum member (you) who ended up not getting what he was offered.
Also Matt, you aren't the only guy who's been jerked around by him. About 18months/2 years back, he made an offer to me for some prints. He then asked me to wait until HE got paid at the end of the month. After that time elapsed, he took his sweet time answering my several PMs to then, eventually, let me know HIS MATE no longer wanted the prints. This was the first I had heard of his mate. In the interim I missed out on a sale elsewhere for the same price, as I had wanted to honour my deal with him.
I can't say Burns is dishonest, as I don't know him, but I am saying I wouldn''t trust him in any further deals in the future. Having said this, I do believe other members here have done happy deals with him, but I'd advise anyone to make sure they are careful, as you should with every stranger in here. The vast majority of deals go off without a hitch and the majority of members are sound as, but you have to be sensible. I don't like having my time wasted. And it's NEVER right to agree deals without full disclosure in advance. This is supposed to be a community and deals can only happen with an element of trust. If people like Burns decide to only disclose details about art or its condition or additional parties involved, after they've done deals, they should at least be decent enough to accept responsibilty for the way they trade IMO.
burn111 - I'm not sure if you're truly off your rocker, or think you actually gave me the info - but you didn't. I've gotten more info out of this thread then all your PMs combined (and that's not a whole lot). By no means did I make you out to be a c**t. You seem to have done that all by yourself. Glad this worked out so well. I can't see what he's so upset about, as his "mate" has totally screwed his credability and he should be taking full responsibility for any deal he fronts in here if he cares about that credability, ESPECIALLY if he didn't make it clear from the get go that he was dealing on someone else's behalf. Regardless of what he did or didn't make, imo he should accept full financial responsibility and eat the cost of a refund here or be only too pleased to accept a dent in his credability. From the way this thread reads, this was his deal with a fellow forum member (you) who ended up not getting what he was offered. Also Matt, you aren't the only guy who's been jerked around by him. About 18months/2 years back, he made an offer to me for some prints. He then asked me to wait until HE got paid at the end of the month. After that time elapsed, he took his sweet time answering my several PMs to then, eventually, let me know HIS MATE no longer wanted the prints. This was the first I had heard of his mate. In the interim I missed out on a sale elsewhere for the same price, as I had wanted to honour my deal with him. I can't say Burns is dishonest, as I don't know him, but I am saying I wouldn''t trust him in any further deals in the future. Having said this, I do believe other members here have done happy deals with him, but I'd advise anyone to make sure they are careful, as you should with every stranger in here. The vast majority of deals go off without a hitch and the majority of members are sound as, but you have to be sensible. I don't like having my time wasted. And it's NEVER right to agree deals without full disclosure in advance. This is supposed to be a community and deals can only happen with an element of trust. If people like Burns decide to only disclose details about art or its condition or additional parties involved, after they've done deals, they should at least be decent enough to accept responsibilty for the way they trade IMO.
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Heavyconsumer
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Heavyconsumer on Jun 2, 2010 21:01:55 GMT 1, now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up. sorry to hear about all of this Matt. Certainly sucks that he gave you the run-around.
He already had at least 3 forum usernames. He's been quite open about this in the past.
now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up. sorry to hear about all of this Matt. Certainly sucks that he gave you the run-around. He already had at least 3 forum usernames. He's been quite open about this in the past.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by manty on Jun 2, 2010 21:05:58 GMT 1, Good advice HC
Can I nominate you for Mod status :-)
Good advice HC
Can I nominate you for Mod status :-)
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epicfai
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by epicfai on Jun 2, 2010 21:06:08 GMT 1, the name is kind of ironic considering how badly he burnt you on this deal. shady, indeed.
the name is kind of ironic considering how badly he burnt you on this deal. shady, indeed.
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Heavyconsumer
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Heavyconsumer on Jun 2, 2010 21:07:07 GMT 1, Good advice HC Can I nominate you for Mod status :-)
;D Not a good idea apparently.
Good advice HC Can I nominate you for Mod status :-) ;D Not a good idea apparently.
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mattgold
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by mattgold on Jun 2, 2010 21:29:39 GMT 1, Thanks HC. I really couldn't have said it better.
Does anyone else know the other usernames burn111 has used?
Thanks HC. I really couldn't have said it better.
Does anyone else know the other usernames burn111 has used?
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discoduster
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by discoduster on Jun 2, 2010 22:35:05 GMT 1, Both of you sound like a pain in the ass to be honest.
Both of you sound like a pain in the ass to be honest.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Guest on Jun 3, 2010 0:04:21 GMT 1, now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up. I very much doubt it. I have seen alot worse on this forum and nothing has been done.
now that burn is a 'guest' I'm assuming the IP address will be tracked in case another member decides to pop up. I very much doubt it. I have seen alot worse on this forum and nothing has been done.
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by They call me Stephen on Jun 3, 2010 2:08:52 GMT 1, If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused?
There's only one way to be sure.
They've done studies, 60% of the time it works, every time.
If this is a 'gay forum' does that make me gay? Or just confused? There's only one way to be sure. They've done studies, 60% of the time it works, every time.
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Heavyconsumer
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burn111 - Very Bad Experience., by Heavyconsumer on Jun 6, 2010 6:58:11 GMT 1, Thanks HC. I really couldn't have said it better. Does anyone else know the other usernames burn111 has used?
I'm not 100% sure, but I think burns was one of his.
Thanks HC. I really couldn't have said it better. Does anyone else know the other usernames burn111 has used? I'm not 100% sure, but I think burns was one of his.
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