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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by darhart on Nov 16, 2008 16:43:15 GMT 1, I think as soon as a street artist decides to sell his art to the public he puts value to his work and must expect that things of value left on the street will be taken. Plus I firmly believe that anything put on the street after an artist makes the jump to selling his or her work is just advertising. All this faux disgust of removing street pieces is to me nieve at best, im sure (though he'll never admit it) Jeff was a little excited that someone recognised his work and deamed it worth selling, and did he attempt to quietly contact the seller or Ebay to try and get the listing removed or did he post on here with great fanfare (and further advertising) that someone dare sell one of his street pieces (Look my work is being recognised and its worth selling!).
Sorry Jeff im not trying to have a dig at you personaly (and maybe im wide of the mark), this kind of thing just gets on my nerves. And just to make it clear before I no doubt get (Removed)s of abuse  the listing has nothing to do with me and I have never removed any art from the street, its just my thoughts on it.
I think as soon as a street artist decides to sell his art to the public he puts value to his work and must expect that things of value left on the street will be taken. Plus I firmly believe that anything put on the street after an artist makes the jump to selling his or her work is just advertising. All this faux disgust of removing street pieces is to me nieve at best, im sure (though he'll never admit it) Jeff was a little excited that someone recognised his work and deamed it worth selling, and did he attempt to quietly contact the seller or Ebay to try and get the listing removed or did he post on here with great fanfare (and further advertising) that someone dare sell one of his street pieces (Look my work is being recognised and its worth selling!). Sorry Jeff im not trying to have a dig at you personaly (and maybe im wide of the mark), this kind of thing just gets on my nerves. And just to make it clear before I no doubt get (Removed)s of abuse the listing has nothing to do with me and I have never removed any art from the street, its just my thoughts on it. |
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 16, 2008 22:57:43 GMT 1, Hi Darhart
Thanks for your message
I see what you mean and I agree on the fact that it's sometimes hard nowadays to make the difference between street art and advertising. I suppose that as soon as you sign your street works, you sort of advertize your work. This can be said of today's street art, but things were very different in the 80s, the spirit has changed a lot.
About my being "excited that someone recognised my work", I'm afraid you are totally mistaken ! After all that time, being "recognised" on the street by some stupid guy who wants to take my work off the wall to sell it is far from exciting me, I swear !
And the disgust isn't "faux" : I didn't even want to talk to that person. If you could ask my wife and daughter about my reaction when I saw that thing for sale on ebay, you'd know how really disgusted i was ! My starting a thread was a way of warning people and avoid their buying those pieces.
As for your "Look my work is being recognised and its worth selling!", I'm very sorry you might think such a thing : my work has been recognized and worth selling for more than 25 years now and I don't need such a sad event to be aware of it... That may have been true when I was still young, and before i started exhibiting seriously and selling my works, that is to say between 1982 and 1985, but not any longer !
I also think that my feelings and way of seeing things is certainly different from someone who was born when street art already existed (can't find the words to express this properly, sorry!)...
I'm not saying that about you (don't know your age), but it seems to be the case of many people, obviously (all people who were born in the 80s or later)
I mean : when i spraypainted my first stencil on the walls of Tour (Central france) on a night of 1982, I had never seen any street stencil art before ! (because there wasn't any ! Except in Paris where Blek had started a year earlier, but I didn't know him then)... And the very idea of "street art" just didn't exist... By the way, this term ("street art") is quite new, we didn't use it before.
So, to put it in a nutshell : yes, I'm excited when people who like my work come and talk to me at shows or send me letters or buy pieces or take photos etc... No, I'm not excited when my street works are taken off the wall to be sold on ebay... and yes, today's situation means that there's always some advertizing in any street piece (even when not meant to be advertizing) except if you don't sign them and know people won't know who did them...
Hi Darhart
Thanks for your message
I see what you mean and I agree on the fact that it's sometimes hard nowadays to make the difference between street art and advertising. I suppose that as soon as you sign your street works, you sort of advertize your work. This can be said of today's street art, but things were very different in the 80s, the spirit has changed a lot.
About my being "excited that someone recognised my work", I'm afraid you are totally mistaken ! After all that time, being "recognised" on the street by some stupid guy who wants to take my work off the wall to sell it is far from exciting me, I swear !
And the disgust isn't "faux" : I didn't even want to talk to that person. If you could ask my wife and daughter about my reaction when I saw that thing for sale on ebay, you'd know how really disgusted i was ! My starting a thread was a way of warning people and avoid their buying those pieces.
As for your "Look my work is being recognised and its worth selling!", I'm very sorry you might think such a thing : my work has been recognized and worth selling for more than 25 years now and I don't need such a sad event to be aware of it... That may have been true when I was still young, and before i started exhibiting seriously and selling my works, that is to say between 1982 and 1985, but not any longer !
I also think that my feelings and way of seeing things is certainly different from someone who was born when street art already existed (can't find the words to express this properly, sorry!)...
I'm not saying that about you (don't know your age), but it seems to be the case of many people, obviously (all people who were born in the 80s or later)
I mean : when i spraypainted my first stencil on the walls of Tour (Central france) on a night of 1982, I had never seen any street stencil art before ! (because there wasn't any ! Except in Paris where Blek had started a year earlier, but I didn't know him then)... And the very idea of "street art" just didn't exist... By the way, this term ("street art") is quite new, we didn't use it before.
So, to put it in a nutshell : yes, I'm excited when people who like my work come and talk to me at shows or send me letters or buy pieces or take photos etc... No, I'm not excited when my street works are taken off the wall to be sold on ebay... and yes, today's situation means that there's always some advertizing in any street piece (even when not meant to be advertizing) except if you don't sign them and know people won't know who did them...
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by fuzzed on Nov 16, 2008 23:00:31 GMT 1, Received a pleasant reply when I said they weren't reclaimed but stolen. "you sound just like that mouthy northern nob jockey sickboy you boys are well up yourselves with your spastic styles and queer agendas, and uppity little personalities... your just a bunch of out of touch spoiled little girls in OLD boys bodies. Especially you you fat t**t. you deserve a good smack in the mouth. happy sculpting, i hope you find a nice eastern european boy who appreciates your depressingly swag approach.
Fucking hell, he sounds a nice bloke.
Received a pleasant reply when I said they weren't reclaimed but stolen. "you sound just like that mouthy northern nob jockey sickboy you boys are well up yourselves with your spastic styles and queer agendas, and uppity little personalities... your just a bunch of out of touch spoiled little girls in OLD boys bodies. Especially you you fat t**t. you deserve a good smack in the mouth. happy sculpting, i hope you find a nice eastern european boy who appreciates your depressingly swag approach. Fucking hell, he sounds a nice bloke. |
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by mcnuts on Nov 16, 2008 23:03:04 GMT 1, a great piece to buy if it can be picked up in person
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by hero on Nov 16, 2008 23:06:34 GMT 1, Received a pleasant reply when I said they weren't reclaimed but stolen. "you sound just like that mouthy northern nob jockey sickboy you boys are well up yourselves with your spastic styles and queer agendas, and uppity little personalities... your just a bunch of out of touch spoiled little girls in OLD boys bodies. Especially you you fat t**t. you deserve a good smack in the mouth. happy sculpting, i hope you find a nice eastern european boy who appreciates your depressingly swag approach. I EAT BABIES AND PUPPIES WHEN IM HUNGRY....I SPEND THE MONEY I GOT FROM OTHER PEOPLES ART ON THEM
is there any minority he hasnt offended in that sentance
(just try and find my amazing alteration)
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Received a pleasant reply when I said they weren't reclaimed but stolen. "you sound just like that mouthy northern nob jockey sickboy you boys are well up yourselves with your spastic styles and queer agendas, and uppity little personalities... your just a bunch of out of touch spoiled little girls in OLD boys bodies. Especially you you fat t**t. you deserve a good smack in the mouth. happy sculpting, i hope you find a nice eastern european boy who appreciates your depressingly swag approach. I EAT BABIES AND PUPPIES WHEN IM HUNGRY....I SPEND THE MONEY I GOT FROM OTHER PEOPLES ART ON THEM is there any minority he hasnt offended in that sentance (just try and find my amazing alteration) H |
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by darhart on Nov 16, 2008 23:37:05 GMT 1, Great reply Jeff, thanks. I guess I look at things like this with a some what cynical eye. I can totaly see the point of art being put on the street purely for the sake of art/fun/expression etc, but can't help feel (especially these days where anyone it seems can stick so called "art" on a wall and be signed up to produce the editioned print) there are very few commercial artists that don't see it as great advertising first and art second. It dosn't help that you seem to find most paste ups in the areas around galleries showing that kind of work rather than a dowdy street that could do with brightening up (the true spirit of street art). I still firmly believe that work left on the street has been handed over to the street and people on it to do as they wish. If artists would prefer their art not to be taken down and sold why not remove the value and offer un-editioned un signed paste ups for a nominal fee, say Β£5, leaving the signed better quality work to the galleries?
Great reply Jeff, thanks. I guess I look at things like this with a some what cynical eye. I can totaly see the point of art being put on the street purely for the sake of art/fun/expression etc, but can't help feel (especially these days where anyone it seems can stick so called "art" on a wall and be signed up to produce the editioned print) there are very few commercial artists that don't see it as great advertising first and art second. It dosn't help that you seem to find most paste ups in the areas around galleries showing that kind of work rather than a dowdy street that could do with brightening up (the true spirit of street art). I still firmly believe that work left on the street has been handed over to the street and people on it to do as they wish. If artists would prefer their art not to be taken down and sold why not remove the value and offer un-editioned un signed paste ups for a nominal fee, say Β£5, leaving the signed better quality work to the galleries?
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by linkd95 on Nov 16, 2008 23:39:31 GMT 1, he probably used some type of steamer.
he probably used some type of steamer.
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by dmandpenfold on Nov 17, 2008 10:49:06 GMT 1, use better glue Jef, something that'll proper knacker the paste up if someone tries to remove it
use better glue Jef, something that'll proper knacker the paste up if someone tries to remove it
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Mike Marcus on Nov 17, 2008 22:48:53 GMT 1, Darhart: Don't you think that artists deserve to be able to pay their rent the same as everyone else?
Darhart: Don't you think that artists deserve to be able to pay their rent the same as everyone else?
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 23:19:40 GMT 1, zzzzz
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by onemandown72 on Nov 17, 2008 23:23:55 GMT 1, All interesting posts, and I agree largely with what Darhart states. I also agree that artists have every right to earn a living, as Mike Marcus is making the point above. I also respect Jeff as an artist, and do believe he is an exception with regards how he views his street work.
This is always a very thorny issue that evokes huge reactions whenever discussed on any street art forum. I do feel that once the art is placed in the public domain / on the street the artist rescinds all creative control & rights over it. The only area where they have control is being asked to authenticate the work for sale at a later date, which remains where they can clearly control the pricing.
Adam Neate has just highlighted, in a very obvious way how the relationship has changed between street art, it's appeal & art's commodification.
I love street art, and always have, yet I have always found it hard to understand the anger from street artists at their work being removed, when they are ultimately vandalising property. What may be a thing of beauty to the artist, may well be anything but to many others. When work is put up you are taking a risk and if it goes, so be it, if it get's buffed, so be it, it is the environment you choose to work in, and to shout the odds about this is hypoctical
Whist this is an anethema to Jeff, it surely cannot surprise you. And I don't accept the argument that this will drive street artists away from the street, the artists that find their work taken for commericial reasons are ones that are successful. The art that get's left is by up and coming artists who have yet to make that leap, whilst this may be an uncomfortable truth it is just that.
Adn I have nothing to do with the guy in question, (Dicey) and personally feel the attitude he has shown, and what he has written a disgrace
All interesting posts, and I agree largely with what Darhart states. I also agree that artists have every right to earn a living, as Mike Marcus is making the point above. I also respect Jeff as an artist, and do believe he is an exception with regards how he views his street work.
This is always a very thorny issue that evokes huge reactions whenever discussed on any street art forum. I do feel that once the art is placed in the public domain / on the street the artist rescinds all creative control & rights over it. The only area where they have control is being asked to authenticate the work for sale at a later date, which remains where they can clearly control the pricing.
Adam Neate has just highlighted, in a very obvious way how the relationship has changed between street art, it's appeal & art's commodification.
I love street art, and always have, yet I have always found it hard to understand the anger from street artists at their work being removed, when they are ultimately vandalising property. What may be a thing of beauty to the artist, may well be anything but to many others. When work is put up you are taking a risk and if it goes, so be it, if it get's buffed, so be it, it is the environment you choose to work in, and to shout the odds about this is hypoctical
Whist this is an anethema to Jeff, it surely cannot surprise you. And I don't accept the argument that this will drive street artists away from the street, the artists that find their work taken for commericial reasons are ones that are successful. The art that get's left is by up and coming artists who have yet to make that leap, whilst this may be an uncomfortable truth it is just that.
Adn I have nothing to do with the guy in question, (Dicey) and personally feel the attitude he has shown, and what he has written a disgrace
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 18, 2008 0:14:34 GMT 1, (a few steps away from the Manneken Pis and the Grand Sablon, in Saint Jacques district, in the heart of Brussels)
We're happy to invite you to the opening of
JEF AEROSOL : DEFENSE D'AFFICHER (post no bills)
thursday november 27th 2008, from 6.30pm
Exhibition from Nov 28 to Dec 21 2008
wed to sat : 11 am - 7.30 pm
1st & 2nd sundays of the month : 2.00 - 7.00 pm
ART PARTNER GALERIE
PLACE DE LA VIEILLE HALLE AUX BLES 15 / 1000 BRUSSELS / BELGIUM
(underground : GARE CENTRALE or BOURSE)
www.artpartnergalerie.com
Contact (Julie) :
tel : 00 32 (0)2 51 215 99
mob : 00 32 (0)4 84 263 816
email : bruxelles@artpartnergalerie.com
plan d'accès / map : www.artpartnergalerie.com/plan%20Bruxelles.htm
ART PARTNER GALLERIES (Laurent Rigail et Eric Brugier) :
ART PARTNER GALERIE PARIS (France)
7/9 rue Aubriot PARIS 75004
tel 00 33 (0)1 42 77 09 00
mob 00 33 (0)6 99 42 10 50
ART PARTNER GALERIE BRUXELLES (Belgique)
15 Place de la Vieille Halle aux BlΓ©s BRUXELLES 1000
tel : 00 32 (0)2 51 215 99
mob : 00 32 (0)4 84 263 816
(a few steps away from the Manneken Pis and the Grand Sablon, in Saint Jacques district, in the heart of Brussels) We're happy to invite you to the opening of JEF AEROSOL : DEFENSE D'AFFICHER (post no bills) thursday november 27th 2008, from 6.30pm Exhibition from Nov 28 to Dec 21 2008 wed to sat : 11 am - 7.30 pm 1st & 2nd sundays of the month : 2.00 - 7.00 pm ART PARTNER GALERIE
PLACE DE LA VIEILLE HALLE AUX BLES 15 / 1000 BRUSSELS / BELGIUM(underground : GARE CENTRALE or BOURSE) www.artpartnergalerie.com Contact (Julie) : tel : 00 32 (0)2 51 215 99 mob : 00 32 (0)4 84 263 816 email : bruxelles@artpartnergalerie.com plan d'accès / map : www.artpartnergalerie.com/plan%20Bruxelles.htmART PARTNER GALLERIES (Laurent Rigail et Eric Brugier) : ART PARTNER GALERIE PARIS (France)
7/9 rue Aubriot PARIS 75004
tel 00 33 (0)1 42 77 09 00
mob 00 33 (0)6 99 42 10 50
ART PARTNER GALERIE BRUXELLES (Belgique)
15 Place de la Vieille Halle aux BlΓ©s BRUXELLES 1000
tel : 00 32 (0)2 51 215 99
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 18, 2008 0:23:23 GMT 1, agreed on all points, onemandown ! interesting post. And I hope I'll never be driven away from the street !
one little thing : I'm not angry at my work being vandalised and have never been (it's one of the "rules") : I'm angry when someone carefully removes it, saying he loves it, in order to make money with it ! (it's a different thing)
... but I guess I'm repeating myself !
agreed on all points, onemandown ! interesting post. And I hope I'll never be driven away from the street !
one little thing : I'm not angry at my work being vandalised and have never been (it's one of the "rules") : I'm angry when someone carefully removes it, saying he loves it, in order to make money with it ! (it's a different thing)
... but I guess I'm repeating myself !
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 18, 2008 19:16:43 GMT 1, any members living in Brussels or in the area ?
any members living in Brussels or in the area ?
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by theb on Nov 18, 2008 19:51:35 GMT 1, Jef
We need some more of your work in NYC, it looks like someone tore down your piece on 25th and 10th ave. 
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by timba82 on Nov 18, 2008 19:54:44 GMT 1, gojng to try and get down there sometime this week.
love jef's stuff!
gojng to try and get down there sometime this week.
love jef's stuff!
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Blind Angle on Nov 18, 2008 20:23:20 GMT 1, Good Luck with all the shows mate!
Ragnar
Good Luck with all the shows mate!
Ragnar
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 19, 2008 3:05:43 GMT 1, thx !
thx !
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Oliver Winconek on Nov 19, 2008 8:46:54 GMT 1, Best of luck with the shows Jef, thanks for the invite, I will do my best to make it. Would be great to see your new work
Best of luck with the shows Jef, thanks for the invite, I will do my best to make it. Would be great to see your new work
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Martin Whatson on Nov 19, 2008 9:16:10 GMT 1, That stencil of the woman on the flyer there is a beauty mate!
Best of luck with both shows!
That stencil of the woman on the flyer there is a beauty mate!
Best of luck with both shows!
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by bonz on Nov 19, 2008 19:58:33 GMT 1, Once you have the piece up on the street I would take a sharp razor to it a few times, people can still knick it but it will come off in 3 or 4 peices instead of as a whole, usually stops them.
Once you have the piece up on the street I would take a sharp razor to it a few times, people can still knick it but it will come off in 3 or 4 peices instead of as a whole, usually stops them.
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by stickee on Nov 19, 2008 20:26:20 GMT 1, Would be tricky to cut a paster while its soaking wet
especially how thin Jef's pasters are (no I havn't stolen any I just know what he makes them from)
Would be tricky to cut a paster while its soaking wet
especially how thin Jef's pasters are (no I havn't stolen any I just know what he makes them from)
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by romanywg on Nov 19, 2008 20:55:07 GMT 1, Paste it up, cut it, then paste over the top.
Paste it up, cut it, then paste over the top.
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by hero on Nov 19, 2008 21:04:03 GMT 1, i think ive had an idea
what if jef buys it, gets it as a collection and then pastes his whole house ;D
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i think ive had an idea
what if jef buys it, gets it as a collection and then pastes his whole house ;D
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by flypitcher on Nov 20, 2008 0:29:35 GMT 1, Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.
Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money.
Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways
Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street.
It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.
Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money.
Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways
Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street.
It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Avian Security on Nov 20, 2008 2:07:06 GMT 1, Paint directly onto to the wall if you don't want it nicked. Though I really can't understand all the fuss. As far as I can see the art was given to the public in a public place, if a member of said public wants to take it and do his will then that's his choice. You have no grounds for complaint.
Paint directly onto to the wall if you don't want it nicked. Though I really can't understand all the fuss. As far as I can see the art was given to the public in a public place, if a member of said public wants to take it and do his will then that's his choice. You have no grounds for complaint.
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Heavyconsumer on Nov 20, 2008 2:41:48 GMT 1, Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
How about selling a few prints to pay the bills and fund the street work which is their passion?
If you'd read what Jef posted above you will see that it clearly was NOT "always ALL about money and marketing" for him.
I'm sure the vast majority of street artists are done a misjustice by your post. How much do you think "most of street artists" can make from releasing a few editions per year, even if they go down well and do sell out? I disagree with most of your post very strongly.
Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen. How about selling a few prints to pay the bills and fund the street work which is their passion? If you'd read what Jef posted above you will see that it clearly was NOT "always ALL about money and marketing" for him. I'm sure the vast majority of street artists are done a misjustice by your post. How much do you think "most of street artists" can make from releasing a few editions per year, even if they go down well and do sell out? I disagree with most of your post very strongly. |
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by Jef Aerosol on Nov 20, 2008 2:57:44 GMT 1, START art fair is also starting (no pun intended !) tomorrow night in Strasbourg.
I'll have a large piece there, on the ART PARTNER GALERIE stand.
www.st-art.fr/
START art fair is also starting (no pun intended !) tomorrow night in Strasbourg. I'll have a large piece there, on the ART PARTNER GALERIE stand. www.st-art.fr/ |
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Jef Aerosol π«π· Stencil Street Art , by sfdoddsy on Nov 20, 2008 14:38:10 GMT 1, OMG! An interesting new artist!
Who is Alban?
OMG! An interesting new artist!
Who is Alban?
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the listing has nothing to do with me and I have never removed any art from the street, its just my thoughts on it. 
