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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Agent Provocateur on Dec 23, 2010 22:35:08 GMT 1, It' t'was a pub called the Pyrotechnics Arms (slight Icarus angle there to keep this post on topic) in Nunhead... ยฃ2.50 for a pint of Best, quality.
Will leave your thread in peace now otto!
It' t'was a pub called the Pyrotechnics Arms (slight Icarus angle there to keep this post on topic) in Nunhead... ยฃ2.50 for a pint of Best, quality.
Will leave your thread in peace now otto!
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 23, 2010 22:44:02 GMT 1, No Worries AP! I just got out of work. I don't work again til Tuesday! Have a nice btl of Pinot Noir waiting for me when I get home!
Happy Holidaze folks!
BTW -AP, I'm sad there were no Holiday cards from you this year!
No Worries AP! I just got out of work. I don't work again til Tuesday! Have a nice btl of Pinot Noir waiting for me when I get home!
Happy Holidaze folks!
BTW -AP, I'm sad there were no Holiday cards from you this year!
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 22:50:55 GMT 1, The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. Very good point about the use of another artist styles as the weapon! I did see the the gang culture and violence in Choose Your Weapon (thank goodness though I wasn't there in the queue at POW to witness it for the release) and I am a big admirer of Banksy, but the latest Banksy print does not do it for me at all (possibly that may be down to my personal taste) and I can't help but feeling that Banksy is now taking the piss, a look at the TV clips chosen for the Banksy web site (especially the Harry Enfield one) further confirms my view. This is in no way a criticism of people who bought CYW as if you like and admire it good for you, but more my personal view of Banksy recent IMO lazy prints. To me the recent Banksy prints seem to me a product of out of control hype (some certainly but not all from Banksy) and had I to been lucky enough to get one at cost in the draw, it would only have been so I could have owned a piece of Banksys work, rather than having it because I admired it and really thought it a great print (the former would have been the wrong reason to have it anyway). With the Drans I bought them because I liked them (right reason for having them) and not for any investment potential or the result of hype, which before the Learning to Fly had sold out was not an issue. I also wonder if the accusations of hype are coming (in all cases) from people who actually visited one of the exhibitions or are just a conclusion made from only seeing a few bits of work (and a very limited range of work from Dran at that) now fetching silly prices on eBay. It would be just as wrong for me to base my view of Banksy as an artist and all of his work, on the last couple of (again IMO) lazy prints, if I hadn't seen much more. Dran is no different to Banksy in that you have to look a little deeper to really appreciate their worth, whether Dran continues to develop though to me is the only question, but at the moment it is looking very good.
The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. Very good point about the use of another artist styles as the weapon! I did see the the gang culture and violence in Choose Your Weapon (thank goodness though I wasn't there in the queue at POW to witness it for the release) and I am a big admirer of Banksy, but the latest Banksy print does not do it for me at all (possibly that may be down to my personal taste) and I can't help but feeling that Banksy is now taking the piss, a look at the TV clips chosen for the Banksy web site (especially the Harry Enfield one) further confirms my view. This is in no way a criticism of people who bought CYW as if you like and admire it good for you, but more my personal view of Banksy recent IMO lazy prints. To me the recent Banksy prints seem to me a product of out of control hype (some certainly but not all from Banksy) and had I to been lucky enough to get one at cost in the draw, it would only have been so I could have owned a piece of Banksys work, rather than having it because I admired it and really thought it a great print (the former would have been the wrong reason to have it anyway). With the Drans I bought them because I liked them (right reason for having them) and not for any investment potential or the result of hype, which before the Learning to Fly had sold out was not an issue. I also wonder if the accusations of hype are coming (in all cases) from people who actually visited one of the exhibitions or are just a conclusion made from only seeing a few bits of work (and a very limited range of work from Dran at that) now fetching silly prices on eBay. It would be just as wrong for me to base my view of Banksy as an artist and all of his work, on the last couple of (again IMO) lazy prints, if I hadn't seen much more. Dran is no different to Banksy in that you have to look a little deeper to really appreciate their worth, whether Dran continues to develop though to me is the only question, but at the moment it is looking very good. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Agent Provocateur on Dec 23, 2010 22:53:44 GMT 1, anthoz very interesting take on the image
anthoz very interesting take on the image
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 23:09:52 GMT 1, anthoz very interesting take on the image
I second that and possibly the best coment on CYW I have seen, might even make me reconsider.
anthoz very interesting take on the image I second that and possibly the best coment on CYW I have seen, might even make me reconsider. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by rsj on Dec 24, 2010 2:19:45 GMT 1, The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti. The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece.
I would suggest that, we should consider both his CYW piece (with Keith Haring dog) and the Jeff Koon dog pieces together. Then we would see that, the Haring dog is allowed to bark freely, while the Koon dog has a mouth guard on it.
It suggests to me it is about celebrating street art (and Haring would be one of the best examples), and mocking the contemporary art world. Anti-establishment and all that.
Thoughts?
The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti. The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece. I would suggest that, we should consider both his CYW piece (with Keith Haring dog) and the Jeff Koon dog pieces together. Then we would see that, the Haring dog is allowed to bark freely, while the Koon dog has a mouth guard on it. It suggests to me it is about celebrating street art (and Haring would be one of the best examples), and mocking the contemporary art world. Anti-establishment and all that. Thoughts? |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by anthoz on Dec 24, 2010 11:56:18 GMT 1, anthoz very interesting take on the image
I only came to that realisation when I saw it in the flesh...that and the xmas whisky.
anthoz very interesting take on the image I only came to that realisation when I saw it in the flesh...that and the xmas whisky. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by swinning on Dec 26, 2010 13:36:59 GMT 1, Call me noob.... but what has any of this CYW shit got to do with Dran's LTF? If I wanted to read about Banksy, I'd have gone to read a Banksy thread, it's very boring, much like looking at CYW. Leave this one for Dran, Learning To Fly... the far superior.
Call me noob.... but what has any of this CYW shit got to do with Dran's LTF? If I wanted to read about Banksy, I'd have gone to read a Banksy thread, it's very boring, much like looking at CYW. Leave this one for Dran, Learning To Fly... the far superior. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Gentle Mental on Dec 26, 2010 14:38:05 GMT 1, ok.. you a noob.
the banksy bit was possibly the best bit on this thread... the rest ...mostly about money (yawn)
ok.. you a noob. the banksy bit was possibly the best bit on this thread... the rest ...mostly about money (yawn) |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by des77 on Dec 26, 2010 14:46:08 GMT 1, As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in!
My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god
As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Nico on Dec 26, 2010 17:55:10 GMT 1, As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god
Nahhhh! First of all POW released a print a year ago, which is over the "2 months ago" you speak about. And personally, maybe because I'm from near Toulouse, but anyway....sure other people heard about him. POW isn't for most of us here the only way to get to know new artists. IMO anyway. 
As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! My point is not about the way the barcelona show was promoted, more the fact that 2 months ago nobody cared about Dran. But as soon as POW sign him, he's the new graff god Nahhhh! First of all POW released a print a year ago, which is over the "2 months ago" you speak about. And personally, maybe because I'm from near Toulouse, but anyway....sure other people heard about him. POW isn't for most of us here the only way to get to know new artists. IMO anyway. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 27, 2010 15:43:57 GMT 1, Void
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by boaty on Dec 27, 2010 17:23:51 GMT 1, interested in the LTF - how much are you looking for?
interested in the LTF - how much are you looking for?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2010 1:36:24 GMT 1, Sorry, boaty. It's not for sale until I have it in hand.
Sorry, boaty. It's not for sale until I have it in hand.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Coach on Dec 28, 2010 1:40:55 GMT 1, Otto - apologies if I am missing something, but why did you buy this if you didnt want it? It's not as though you are saying you dont like it as much as you thought you did, as it's not yet in hand.
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Otto - apologies if I am missing something, but why did you buy this if you didnt want it? It's not as though you are saying you dont like it as much as you thought you did, as it's not yet in hand.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2010 2:14:51 GMT 1, Coach- I know you're a good guy.
I could give a few reasons why I purchased this print.
One of which was not for profit.
But when I see that the first one on eBay sold for $503, and the second one listed has a few days left and is at $392.
Why wouldn't I want to make some money? Christmas was last week. Cha-ching. I ran over something in my Jetta and had to have both right side tires replaced along with an alighnment(sp?) for the car. Cha-ching.
And I know peeps will roll their eyes when they read this next one... I dropped my iPhone and the screen cracked. Cha-ching. Call me a flipper if you like. I'm being honest. I could use the increase of value on a print I bought to help me out.
I didn't buy it to flip. (we didn't know Dran would explode like he has the day these were released and I got it. The next day, when the color versions came out, that's when it all changed.
With that said.... I've been called alot of things on this board. Yes, even a flipper. However, I have not flipped a print for money. I have however 'flipped' a print in trade.
Which leads me to....
I also am aware of this prints increase in value and would like to use that as an advantage in picking up an .
As first post states, this print is available for trade also. I didn't see any harm in wanting to line up a trade before it arrives.
Again, this print is NOT in hand. I do have proof of purchase.
Coach- I know you're a good guy.
I could give a few reasons why I purchased this print.
One of which was not for profit.
But when I see that the first one on eBay sold for $503, and the second one listed has a few days left and is at $392.
Why wouldn't I want to make some money? Christmas was last week. Cha-ching. I ran over something in my Jetta and had to have both right side tires replaced along with an alighnment(sp?) for the car. Cha-ching.
And I know peeps will roll their eyes when they read this next one... I dropped my iPhone and the screen cracked. Cha-ching. Call me a flipper if you like. I'm being honest. I could use the increase of value on a print I bought to help me out.
I didn't buy it to flip. (we didn't know Dran would explode like he has the day these were released and I got it. The next day, when the color versions came out, that's when it all changed.
With that said.... I've been called alot of things on this board. Yes, even a flipper. However, I have not flipped a print for money. I have however 'flipped' a print in trade.
Which leads me to....
I also am aware of this prints increase in value and would like to use that as an advantage in picking up an .
As first post states, this print is available for trade also. I didn't see any harm in wanting to line up a trade before it arrives.
Again, this print is NOT in hand. I do have proof of purchase.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by poppa on Dec 28, 2010 2:29:01 GMT 1, something I always wanted to know, when is it acceptable to sell on a print?
something I always wanted to know, when is it acceptable to sell on a print?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by howlinhooker on Dec 28, 2010 2:38:04 GMT 1, now if you selling me a c y w at the right price !!!!
now if you selling me a c y w at the right price !!!!
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by boaty on Dec 28, 2010 2:41:34 GMT 1, Sorry, boaty. It's not for sale until I have it in hand. Trying to line up a trade first. Throw me some trade offers!
thanks for the response - good luck!
Sorry, boaty. It's not for sale until I have it in hand. Trying to line up a trade first. Throw me some trade offers! thanks for the response - good luck! |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by swan on Dec 28, 2010 3:18:59 GMT 1, something I always wanted to know, when is it acceptable to sell on a print?
When the alternative is to prise it from my cold dead hands? 
something I always wanted to know, when is it acceptable to sell on a print? When the alternative is to prise it from my cold dead hands? |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by poppa on Dec 28, 2010 3:32:33 GMT 1, hey swan,
never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess.
Always wondered when a flip is not a flip
hey swan,
never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess.
Always wondered when a flip is not a flip
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2010 3:46:55 GMT 1, Void
Void
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by whl10 on Dec 28, 2010 4:18:45 GMT 1, if you trade it what will the person who wins your ebay auction get?
if you trade it what will the person who wins your ebay auction get?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2010 5:17:00 GMT 1, Because I am the first person ever in the history of Banksy Forum to offer something on here for trade while it is on eBay and because also it seems difficult to make anyone happy. This print is not available at all!
It is on eBay. And that is where it will stay.
Because I am the first person ever in the history of Banksy Forum to offer something on here for trade while it is on eBay and because also it seems difficult to make anyone happy. This print is not available at all!
It is on eBay. And that is where it will stay.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by swan on Dec 28, 2010 6:40:03 GMT 1, hey swan, never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess.
Figured as much from the other thread. Don't blame you, hazardous conditions to say the least. Had an interesting 2 weeks myself, and consider myself lucky to have bagged one of each print... long story...
No luck on the phone I take it?
Always wondered when a flip is not a flip
Hard question to answer without being flippant, haha!
hey swan, never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess. Figured as much from the other thread. Don't blame you, hazardous conditions to say the least. Had an interesting 2 weeks myself, and consider myself lucky to have bagged one of each print... long story... No luck on the phone I take it? Always wondered when a flip is not a flip Hard question to answer without being flippant, haha! |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by poppa on Dec 28, 2010 10:25:26 GMT 1, hey swan, never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess. Figured as much from the other thread. Don't blame you, hazardous conditions to say the least. Had an interesting 2 weeks myself, and consider myself lucky to have bagged one of each print... long story... No luck on the phone I take it? None, sent three emails and no replies. I doubt I'll get a colour one now - silly money! Glad you got one though.
hey swan, never made it down that night - snow + rear wheel drive = possible mess. Figured as much from the other thread. Don't blame you, hazardous conditions to say the least. Had an interesting 2 weeks myself, and consider myself lucky to have bagged one of each print... long story... No luck on the phone I take it? None, sent three emails and no replies. I doubt I'll get a colour one now - silly money! Glad you got one though. |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 11:45:49 GMT 1, why dont you ask POW to trade it for something else? Or is it because you know the answer to that question?
why dont you ask POW to trade it for something else? Or is it because you know the answer to that question?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:01:27 GMT 1, People's circumstances change though?
Trouble is with this scenario is that there's a proven track record in buying something and then 'trading' straight away with the assertion that this is somehow different to flipping a print - it isn't.
Personally, it would be more palatable to me if a seller came along and said 'I own this now, it's worth more than I paid, I'm only interested in the cash and now it's for sale' type of thing.
Most threads on this forum ceased being about the art a long time ago (but not all).
People's circumstances change though?
Trouble is with this scenario is that there's a proven track record in buying something and then 'trading' straight away with the assertion that this is somehow different to flipping a print - it isn't.
Personally, it would be more palatable to me if a seller came along and said 'I own this now, it's worth more than I paid, I'm only interested in the cash and now it's for sale' type of thing.
Most threads on this forum ceased being about the art a long time ago (but not all).
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:04:03 GMT 1, People's circumstances change though? Trouble is with this scenario is that there's a proven track record in buying something and then 'trading' straight away with the assertion that this is somehow different to flipping a print - it isn't. Personally, it would be more palatable to me if a seller came along and said 'I own this now, it's worth more than I paid, I'm only interested in the cash and now it's for sale' type of thing. Most threads on this forum ceased being about the art a long time ago (but not all).
amen brother
People's circumstances change though? Trouble is with this scenario is that there's a proven track record in buying something and then 'trading' straight away with the assertion that this is somehow different to flipping a print - it isn't. Personally, it would be more palatable to me if a seller came along and said 'I own this now, it's worth more than I paid, I'm only interested in the cash and now it's for sale' type of thing. Most threads on this forum ceased being about the art a long time ago (but not all). amen brother |
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 28, 2010 13:31:39 GMT 1, Lukerstud, I just want to thank you for my moral judgement.
You are like my own personal jesus.
Lukerstud, I just want to thank you for my moral judgement.
You are like my own personal jesus.
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