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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 1:21:14 GMT 1, Well said! I think POW staff were surprised how many braved the snow but the momentum had been building, with regards to the chalks, if you missed the opening night and the best pieces scream, girl characters etc like I did due to the snow then you may of felt you were getting a lesser print for the same money. That said I would still of love one but now periously over budget. The framing was stunning especially the White. If only for a half price sale offer for Drans remaining chalks!
Well said! I think POW staff were surprised how many braved the snow but the momentum had been building, with regards to the chalks, if you missed the opening night and the best pieces scream, girl characters etc like I did due to the snow then you may of felt you were getting a lesser print for the same money. That said I would still of love one but now periously over budget. The framing was stunning especially the White. If only for a half price sale offer for Drans remaining chalks!
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 1:41:20 GMT 1, with regards to the chalks, if you missed the opening night and the best pieces scream, girl characters etc like I did due to the snow then you may of felt you were getting a lesser print for the same money.
The little girl with the flower, the hole in the wall to a very colourful scene and the scream were to me the real stand out pieces in the Chalks exhibition, they were the first I was drawn to and enquired about, before I was told the little red dots signified they were sold. While there I spent so much time deciding with the help of my misses which to have from the remaining pictures that I didn't think about taking any photos. So has anyone got a picture of the scream chalks, I would really like to see it if you have.
with regards to the chalks, if you missed the opening night and the best pieces scream, girl characters etc like I did due to the snow then you may of felt you were getting a lesser print for the same money. The little girl with the flower, the hole in the wall to a very colourful scene and the scream were to me the real stand out pieces in the Chalks exhibition, they were the first I was drawn to and enquired about, before I was told the little red dots signified they were sold. While there I spent so much time deciding with the help of my misses which to have from the remaining pictures that I didn't think about taking any photos. So has anyone got a picture of the scream chalks, I would really like to see it if you have.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 4:12:42 GMT 1, The bookmark that has been re-listed has hit ยฃ82, where will it all end. I blame that Banksy character .
The bookmark that has been re-listed has hit ยฃ82, where will it all end. I blame that Banksy character .
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by caddyshack on Dec 23, 2010 9:43:29 GMT 1, There is a b&w on the bay for ยฃ325!...wtf? *cough* *splutter* *choking on coffee* Somebody pass a can of oxygen, I think I'm going to faint...
It sold for ยฃ325 too...a good mark-up on a ยฃ70 print !!! Some people just have too much money.
There is a b&w on the bay for ยฃ325!...wtf? *cough* *splutter* *choking on coffee* Somebody pass a can of oxygen, I think I'm going to faint... It sold for ยฃ325 too...a good mark-up on a ยฃ70 print !!! Some people just have too much money.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 23, 2010 16:17:24 GMT 1, Void.
Void.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by stanley on Dec 23, 2010 16:20:11 GMT 1,
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Gentle Mental on Dec 23, 2010 18:42:49 GMT 1, wow. hype in motion - rockets like a rising star - here's my humble take:
Dran makes os gemeos-esque aesthetics with banksy-ish wit. but is currently not quite there yet on both fronts.
but close. frighteningly close.
wow. hype in motion - rockets like a rising star - here's my humble take:
Dran makes os gemeos-esque aesthetics with banksy-ish wit. but is currently not quite there yet on both fronts.
but close. frighteningly close.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by des77 on Dec 23, 2010 19:02:26 GMT 1, All POW hype IMO. Two months ago dran showed in Barcelona and half the work remained unsold, with originall works from starting at ยฃ100 +. Fast forward 2 months and the remaining work has its price bumped by 40% and everyone cant get enough of it and are hailing Dran as the next star.
I presume that everyone here thats such huge fans of his work and are now paying ยฃ300 + for u/s print, new about the previous show and the cheap works such a short time ago ?
All POW hype IMO. Two months ago dran showed in Barcelona and half the work remained unsold, with originall works from starting at ยฃ100 +. Fast forward 2 months and the remaining work has its price bumped by 40% and everyone cant get enough of it and are hailing Dran as the next star.
I presume that everyone here thats such huge fans of his work and are now paying ยฃ300 + for u/s print, new about the previous show and the cheap works such a short time ago ?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 23, 2010 19:14:21 GMT 1, ....and a STAR is born.
....and a STAR is born.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by spirit on Dec 23, 2010 19:21:27 GMT 1, I've never yet seen an artist that has not crashed and burned after this much hype this quickly.
I've never yet seen an artist that has not crashed and burned after this much hype this quickly.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by rsj on Dec 23, 2010 19:46:06 GMT 1, I think the success of "Learning to Fly" is really about the fact that people really looked and appreciated that particular image, and went after the prints. I too was tempted by it, as it's a little "cute" image.
Of course, with the success of "Learning to Fly", some people are taking the opportunity to invest in his other pieces and hype him up. However, I don't think him as an artist overall is rated as highly as this one print. The fact that there are still plenty of other unsold works around explained this.
I think the success of "Learning to Fly" is really about the fact that people really looked and appreciated that particular image, and went after the prints. I too was tempted by it, as it's a little "cute" image.
Of course, with the success of "Learning to Fly", some people are taking the opportunity to invest in his other pieces and hype him up. However, I don't think him as an artist overall is rated as highly as this one print. The fact that there are still plenty of other unsold works around explained this.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Agent Provocateur on Dec 23, 2010 20:35:32 GMT 1, otto, wasn't the Dran B&W learn to fly ยฃ70 and unsigned?
And the Eelus Icarus (normal edition) ยฃ200, which is still available on eelus' website... seems a bit of a weird trade even without mentioning you haven't even seen either of the actual prints in the flesh?
Unless you're wanting to swap for the sold out gold Icarus then I do apologise... I'm sure people will be biting your hand off.
Good luck ;D
otto, wasn't the Dran B&W learn to fly ยฃ70 and unsigned?
And the Eelus Icarus (normal edition) ยฃ200, which is still available on eelus' website... seems a bit of a weird trade even without mentioning you haven't even seen either of the actual prints in the flesh?
Unless you're wanting to swap for the sold out gold Icarus then I do apologise... I'm sure people will be biting your hand off.
Good luck ;D
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 23, 2010 20:37:51 GMT 1, Void
Void
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Ottomatik on Dec 23, 2010 20:41:18 GMT 1, AP- the only B&W sold for ยฃ325 yesterday. I've spent too much on my car and gifts, that I can not bring myself to spend the ยฃ200 for Icarus. I wanted Free Speech from Dran, but I just had a response from a seller that wants $850 for theirs. So a trade of my LTF for a Eelus sounds fair, right?
AP- the only B&W sold for ยฃ325 yesterday. I've spent too much on my car and gifts, that I can not bring myself to spend the ยฃ200 for Icarus. I wanted Free Speech from Dran, but I just had a response from a seller that wants $850 for theirs. So a trade of my LTF for a Eelus sounds fair, right?
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Agent Provocateur on Dec 23, 2010 20:48:46 GMT 1, No offence intended otto, didn't know the B&W's were going for that much, hence my incredulity.
Now I'm dumbfounded the B&W's are so sought after ;D
ps been down the pub all afternoon and slightly half cut... which was to avoid spending money on an Icarus!
No offence intended otto, didn't know the B&W's were going for that much, hence my incredulity. Now I'm dumbfounded the B&W's are so sought after ;D ps been down the pub all afternoon and slightly half cut... which was to avoid spending money on an Icarus!
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 20:59:32 GMT 1, I actually visited M&S 3 times and did not tire of looking at Drans work. Im not saying Dran got lucky with this print, but with the timing after the chalks, the CYW debacle and then the Exhibit print which also sold quickly the momentum was there for the taking. The fact it is an absolute gem, which came from nowhere, without the hype for weeks also caught a few off guard, who probably thought it would be around for days only adds to the desirability for the money no object.
I actually visited M&S 3 times and did not tire of looking at Drans work. Im not saying Dran got lucky with this print, but with the timing after the chalks, the CYW debacle and then the Exhibit print which also sold quickly the momentum was there for the taking. The fact it is an absolute gem, which came from nowhere, without the hype for weeks also caught a few off guard, who probably thought it would be around for days only adds to the desirability for the money no object.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 21:01:53 GMT 1, While I do not agree that all of this hysteria is due to hype, I do think we need to wait and see if Drans popularity continues. Regarding the so called hype what did POW do to warrant such an accusation other than put on a couple of exhibitions, (incidentally one of which also featured other artist work) and then allowed visitors to make up their own minds, I certainly can not remember anything from POW that I would consider hype (extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion). As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! Yes the Learning to Fly is the one that has really caught the imagination and the current hysteria can not continue for long at this pace, much of the current interest could be for potential investment rather than admiration for the work, but I do believe Dran will be a major artist for a very long time to come. For one he is very young and should he not blow it, he should develop and produce many other great pieces. Added to this anybody who did visit the Marks and Stencils exhibition could have seen that there was very much more to his work than a few cute cartoons produced on odd media (did anyone take a good look at some of the oil paintings?), in fact there was quite a bit that reminded me of the versatility of Banksy without trying to be a clone. As for the unsold chalks I believe this is more due to the price and that many people are not completely aware of it and that there are prints still available for posting rather than a complete lack of interest, wait for the first chalks to hit eBay (which many now use as their window to the outside world) and the rest will disappear very quickly.
Now if you really want an example of hype just take a look at Banksy, silly Jeremy Beadle / Ant and Dec type stunts that are really nothing to do with art, other than self promotion in the national press, also recent prints that IMO are very lazy and only produced to satisfy those who would buy anything as long as it had Banksy written on it, some people should take a good look and take note of the message in the Morons print! Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc.
While I do not agree that all of this hysteria is due to hype, I do think we need to wait and see if Drans popularity continues. Regarding the so called hype what did POW do to warrant such an accusation other than put on a couple of exhibitions, (incidentally one of which also featured other artist work) and then allowed visitors to make up their own minds, I certainly can not remember anything from POW that I would consider hype (extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion). As for the Barcelona show, what could they have done any different, not to be accused of "hype" as has been suggested against POW, the only possible thing I could think of is is, that they didn't allow anybody in! Yes the Learning to Fly is the one that has really caught the imagination and the current hysteria can not continue for long at this pace, much of the current interest could be for potential investment rather than admiration for the work, but I do believe Dran will be a major artist for a very long time to come. For one he is very young and should he not blow it, he should develop and produce many other great pieces. Added to this anybody who did visit the Marks and Stencils exhibition could have seen that there was very much more to his work than a few cute cartoons produced on odd media (did anyone take a good look at some of the oil paintings?), in fact there was quite a bit that reminded me of the versatility of Banksy without trying to be a clone. As for the unsold chalks I believe this is more due to the price and that many people are not completely aware of it and that there are prints still available for posting rather than a complete lack of interest, wait for the first chalks to hit eBay (which many now use as their window to the outside world) and the rest will disappear very quickly.
Now if you really want an example of hype just take a look at Banksy, silly Jeremy Beadle / Ant and Dec type stunts that are really nothing to do with art, other than self promotion in the national press, also recent prints that IMO are very lazy and only produced to satisfy those who would buy anything as long as it had Banksy written on it, some people should take a good look and take note of the message in the Morons print! Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by gibbin82 on Dec 23, 2010 21:11:21 GMT 1, On a purely selfish level I would like to see the current interest in Dran be nothing more than a result of hype and come to an abrupt end, as the way it is now I will not get another chance in the future to get pieces from an artist whose work I really admire
On a purely selfish level I would like to see the current interest in Dran be nothing more than a result of hype and come to an abrupt end, as the way it is now I will not get another chance in the future to get pieces from an artist whose work I really admire
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:17:11 GMT 1, Releasing the LTF with the book signing was also a masterstroke as after waiting in the snow to meet Dran and realising because of a 2 in 2 out policy it would be a longer wait not getting a print, it just made sense. Interestingly after a small chat a few people who were after a B&W changed their mind, swayed by the excitement of the few (like me) who were keeping warm in the glow of anticipation. Merry Christmas to all, especially the girl I stood behind who was picking up her chalks print at the same time.
Releasing the LTF with the book signing was also a masterstroke as after waiting in the snow to meet Dran and realising because of a 2 in 2 out policy it would be a longer wait not getting a print, it just made sense. Interestingly after a small chat a few people who were after a B&W changed their mind, swayed by the excitement of the few (like me) who were keeping warm in the glow of anticipation. Merry Christmas to all, especially the girl I stood behind who was picking up her chalks print at the same time.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:26:23 GMT 1, Next few prints will be immense either a confirmation or a leveller, either way can't wait, Le Marrilyn or however you spell it would do it for me. Lowbrow under the radar type of announcement please! So not gonna happen.
Next few prints will be immense either a confirmation or a leveller, either way can't wait, Le Marrilyn or however you spell it would do it for me. Lowbrow under the radar type of announcement please! So not gonna happen.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by des77 on Dec 23, 2010 21:29:09 GMT 1, Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc.
Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:30:33 GMT 1, Interesting that the most popular print was the one without his character - Scribble. Loved his little hut btw.
Interesting that the most popular print was the one without his character - Scribble. Loved his little hut btw.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by pinballwizard on Dec 23, 2010 21:34:51 GMT 1, Now the one off the bay dissappeared... Suspicious
Now the one off the bay dissappeared... Suspicious
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by lighterboy on Dec 23, 2010 21:36:54 GMT 1, Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway
That was my instant thought, hearing the title after confirming that thought
That was my instant reaction then heard the title, enough said.
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway That was my instant thought, hearing the title after confirming that thought That was my instant reaction then heard the title, enough said.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by supercockle on Dec 23, 2010 21:44:04 GMT 1, I don't know whether it's hype and whether he'll maintain this momentum. I'm with Gibbin and the others that I fear I may not get a future print release. I remain grateful that I bought three of his canvases when I did for I wouldn't have been able to afford one at M&S prices and I certainly wouldn't be able to afford one if the momentum persists. I consider myself very lucky to have the view in my living room that I do, though my wife was not overly impressed that three days after putting her new Laura Ashley wallpaper up, I returned home and hung two Dran's over it.
I don't know whether it's hype and whether he'll maintain this momentum. I'm with Gibbin and the others that I fear I may not get a future print release. I remain grateful that I bought three of his canvases when I did for I wouldn't have been able to afford one at M&S prices and I certainly wouldn't be able to afford one if the momentum persists. I consider myself very lucky to have the view in my living room that I do, though my wife was not overly impressed that three days after putting her new Laura Ashley wallpaper up, I returned home and hung two Dran's over it.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Sacked... on Dec 23, 2010 21:56:07 GMT 1, No offence intended otto, didn't know the B&W's were going for that much, hence my incredulity. Now I'm dumbfounded the B&W's are so sought after ;D ps been down the pub all afternoon and slightly half cut... which was to avoid spending money on an Icarus!
Let's hope you did'nt spend ยฃ200.00 down thr pub AP.
No offence intended otto, didn't know the B&W's were going for that much, hence my incredulity. Now I'm dumbfounded the B&W's are so sought after ;D ps been down the pub all afternoon and slightly half cut... which was to avoid spending money on an Icarus! Let's hope you did'nt spend ยฃ200.00 down thr pub AP.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by anthoz on Dec 23, 2010 22:07:45 GMT 1, Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway
whilst the obvious nod to the use of dogs in gang culture and yobbo Britain is certainly there this piece for me is far more subtle.
The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti.
The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece.
Unlike much of Banksys earlier work where is the message in CYW, other than the terrible way it was sold and some of the people who ended up with the print. I really would like to see Banksy return to producing prints of the quality of Grin Reaper etc. Its about youth and gang culture, using dogs as status symbols or as methods of intimidation. Well thats my interpretation anyway whilst the obvious nod to the use of dogs in gang culture and yobbo Britain is certainly there this piece for me is far more subtle. The amalgamation of the dog by Banksy into a larger street piece symbolises that his choice of weapon,his modus operandi for commenting on modern society is art...and more specifically graffiti. The fact that he in essence'chose his weapon' by ensnaring the style of a fellow artist and juxtaposing it into his piece is a touch of subtle genius...and the naming of the piece is not only a comment but an invitation for us all to do the same thing and choose our own mode of commentary..to ensnare it and utulise it to the best of our ability as Banksy surely did with this piece.
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Dran โข Learning To Fly, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 22:10:24 GMT 1, I hope you did spend ยฃ200 down the pub - well spent.
I hope you did spend ยฃ200 down the pub - well spent.
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