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Jul 29, 2008 7:36:06 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Jul 29, 2008 7:36:06 GMT 1, I got into it last night with the misses so I sat cutting a few pieces.
I would love some feedback, no matter how shitty your opinion is..
Peace
I got into it last night with the misses so I sat cutting a few pieces. I would love some feedback, no matter how shitty your opinion is.. Peace
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Jul 29, 2008 9:09:04 GMT 1
K74, by bmjt on Jul 29, 2008 9:09:04 GMT 1, I like the colours and the cutting on the police ones, but again, try and avoid re-used imagery, ie. mickey mouse, disney etc. If you want to stand out, try something new, you could be the one to start a new trend.
The Eiffel tower piece is interesting architecturally, what is the building on top? What's the thinking is being that? You've obviously got some ability, keep it up.
I like the colours and the cutting on the police ones, but again, try and avoid re-used imagery, ie. mickey mouse, disney etc. If you want to stand out, try something new, you could be the one to start a new trend.
The Eiffel tower piece is interesting architecturally, what is the building on top? What's the thinking is being that? You've obviously got some ability, keep it up.
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Jul 29, 2008 10:42:04 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Jul 29, 2008 10:42:04 GMT 1, Thanks BMJT, The police ones are not finished, I am sewing in the names in yellow thread on the mickey hats just like at disney world, I think that will add the finished touch. If you live in Los Angeles and have had a run in with our boys-in-blue you will understand why I had to re-use the Mickey imagery
The Eifel piece is called Paristan, and that is a minarete of a mosque ontop of the Eifel Tower. I will leave the interpretation to you.
Peace K74 www.kosher74.com
Thanks BMJT, The police ones are not finished, I am sewing in the names in yellow thread on the mickey hats just like at disney world, I think that will add the finished touch. If you live in Los Angeles and have had a run in with our boys-in-blue you will understand why I had to re-use the Mickey imagery The Eifel piece is called Paristan, and that is a minarete of a mosque ontop of the Eifel Tower. I will leave the interpretation to you. Peace K74 www.kosher74.com
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Jul 30, 2008 12:33:18 GMT 1
K74, by kingdomcome on Jul 30, 2008 12:33:18 GMT 1, im sure the BNP would happily use your 'Awful Tower' pic for promotional purposes.
im sure the BNP would happily use your 'Awful Tower' pic for promotional purposes.
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Aug 1, 2008 2:19:12 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 1, 2008 2:19:12 GMT 1, Thats one way of looking at it. Try to think a bit outside the box Kingdom.....
Thats one way of looking at it. Try to think a bit outside the box Kingdom.....
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Aug 1, 2008 17:24:04 GMT 1
K74, by kingdomcome on Aug 1, 2008 17:24:04 GMT 1, oh really. well why dont you enlighten us then?
oh really. well why dont you enlighten us then?
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Aug 1, 2008 18:17:55 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 1, 2008 18:17:55 GMT 1, Who is us, are you the spokesperson for the room? All you saw was racism, try to see something else.....If I am not mistaken the BNP is todays version of the Nazis, and they believe in ethnic devisions? Why would you get that from this piece?
Who is us, are you the spokesperson for the room? All you saw was racism, try to see something else.....If I am not mistaken the BNP is todays version of the Nazis, and they believe in ethnic devisions? Why would you get that from this piece?
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Aug 1, 2008 18:54:46 GMT 1
K74, by kingdomcome on Aug 1, 2008 18:54:46 GMT 1, ...Because they would have us believe that Islam / terrorists are taking over / destroying the Western world and impeading on western history and values. your image can also be interpreted as a comment on the influx of immigration - which the BNP would have us believe is a bad thing.
The BNP have used this fear to sucessfully win votes, thats why I would get that from this piece.
Im not saying that is why you painted it, but thats how that image can be misused and interpreted. If you cant see that, then you need to open your eyes.
Oh and you still havent enlightened us? If you chose not to then expect it to be misinterpreted.
...Because they would have us believe that Islam / terrorists are taking over / destroying the Western world and impeading on western history and values. your image can also be interpreted as a comment on the influx of immigration - which the BNP would have us believe is a bad thing.
The BNP have used this fear to sucessfully win votes, thats why I would get that from this piece.
Im not saying that is why you painted it, but thats how that image can be misused and interpreted. If you cant see that, then you need to open your eyes.
Oh and you still havent enlightened us? If you chose not to then expect it to be misinterpreted.
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Aug 1, 2008 19:08:05 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 1, 2008 19:08:05 GMT 1, Kingdom, again you refer to "they" and "us" , who are you referring to? I assume "they" are the BNP and they would use this piece to show that immigration is a danger? I am happy you drew some conclusion from this piece but what I was saying is , you came to the most obvious conclusion. So I guess you are with a group of friends that you would like me to enlighten, since you refer to "us" or you have taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of everyone here assuming they need enlightining. Can anyone see past the obvious?
I will open my eyes as soon as you do buddy.
Kingdom, again you refer to "they" and "us" , who are you referring to? I assume "they" are the BNP and they would use this piece to show that immigration is a danger? I am happy you drew some conclusion from this piece but what I was saying is , you came to the most obvious conclusion. So I guess you are with a group of friends that you would like me to enlighten, since you refer to "us" or you have taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of everyone here assuming they need enlightining. Can anyone see past the obvious?
I will open my eyes as soon as you do buddy.
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Aug 1, 2008 19:16:40 GMT 1
K74, by dotdot on Aug 1, 2008 19:16:40 GMT 1, fwiw.
3 images -
police ok I've seen a few - mickey mouse etc. quite well executed though
tower - yes indeed underlying a good idea. imho - lacks emotion however since it's a tourists attraction certainly one we all recognise.
Pope - spinning as it were - yes he does. he does also have an unusual past. Interesting idea not sure if it would garner too much comment as religion is still very much a taboo subject to a few folks. Everyone proclaims to be an atheist anyway
now if you were take what is going on....credit crunch etc... we have a proverbial... it's all going down the plughole ....
anyone produced a good plughole image recently ? nope . trust me it's coming....
keep up the good work !
fwiw. 3 images - police ok I've seen a few - mickey mouse etc. quite well executed though tower - yes indeed underlying a good idea. imho - lacks emotion however since it's a tourists attraction certainly one we all recognise. Pope - spinning as it were - yes he does. he does also have an unusual past. Interesting idea not sure if it would garner too much comment as religion is still very much a taboo subject to a few folks. Everyone proclaims to be an atheist anyway now if you were take what is going on....credit crunch etc... we have a proverbial... it's all going down the plughole .... anyone produced a good plughole image recently ? nope . trust me it's coming.... keep up the good work !
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Aug 1, 2008 19:18:27 GMT 1
K74, by baileymontana on Aug 1, 2008 19:18:27 GMT 1, Agree with bmjt, I personally am very bored of mickey mouse ears in stencils. I like the Paristan one and the Break It Down one on your site especially. The Pope one is OK but for me Dolk came up with a really striking Pope image at Cans.
I like that you seem to have a few different religous icons as part of your stencil work. I sometimes feel that people often joke with Christian icons but stay clear of other religions. If an artist is really anti-organised religions I never understand why they mainly pick on Christian ones. I'm not saying your work is anti-religion by the way.
Agree with bmjt, I personally am very bored of mickey mouse ears in stencils. I like the Paristan one and the Break It Down one on your site especially. The Pope one is OK but for me Dolk came up with a really striking Pope image at Cans.
I like that you seem to have a few different religous icons as part of your stencil work. I sometimes feel that people often joke with Christian icons but stay clear of other religions. If an artist is really anti-organised religions I never understand why they mainly pick on Christian ones. I'm not saying your work is anti-religion by the way.
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Aug 1, 2008 22:34:14 GMT 1
K74, by kingdomcome on Aug 1, 2008 22:34:14 GMT 1, Kingdom, again you refer to "they" and "us" , who are you referring to? I assume "they" are the BNP and they would use this piece to show that immigration is a danger? I am happy you drew some conclusion from this piece but what I was saying is , you came to the most obvious conclusion. So I guess you are with a group of friends that you would like me to enlighten, since you refer to "us" or you have taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of everyone here assuming they need enlightining. Can anyone see past the obvious? I will open my eyes as soon as you do buddy.
get over the US thing. ok, its me, me me. is that better?
now will you explain to ME what your image means instead trying to talk in riddles like some poor mans Gollum?
Kingdom, again you refer to "they" and "us" , who are you referring to? I assume "they" are the BNP and they would use this piece to show that immigration is a danger? I am happy you drew some conclusion from this piece but what I was saying is , you came to the most obvious conclusion. So I guess you are with a group of friends that you would like me to enlighten, since you refer to "us" or you have taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of everyone here assuming they need enlightining. Can anyone see past the obvious? I will open my eyes as soon as you do buddy. get over the US thing. ok, its me, me me. is that better? now will you explain to ME what your image means instead trying to talk in riddles like some poor mans Gollum?
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Aug 1, 2008 23:31:26 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 1, 2008 23:31:26 GMT 1, Well, Bailymontana hit it on the head. I poke fun at religion because it is such a taboo, even these days.. It would be too obvious to say that the mosque on top of the tower meant that Islam is taking over and that is a problem.....I wanted to show how a simple building "mosque" or in my next few pieces "church steeple" and "Golden Dome'" can envoke hate, anger and make some people think I am a racist. A guy in the Netherlands draws a picture of the prophet Mohammad and the whole flippin world starts to explode. Some guy draws a picture of Obama and wife as Arabs and suddenly that guy is shunned...What ever happened to freedom to express, and since when did a cartoon or in my case "awful picture" ever become so powerful that people will kill for it?
Kingdom, you sound like a guy that is either a Muslim or someone who identifies with Islam and thinks I hate Islam and you were quite upset, now look at yourself and ask yourself, how upset would you have been if I would have said you were correct and I am a racist, would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone? All I am saying is let Art be Art and don’t let images weigh so much. We are bombarded with thousands of images a day by advertisements and unwanted propaganda and if you got upset at every image that may be against your beliefs, then you will be an unhappy person.
Aside from the image how do you feel about the fun I poke at Moses, Jesus, Dali Lama, David and Goliath, The Pope, and others on my website?
www.kosher74.com
Peace.
Thanks Dotdot I will keep it up.
Well, Bailymontana hit it on the head. I poke fun at religion because it is such a taboo, even these days.. It would be too obvious to say that the mosque on top of the tower meant that Islam is taking over and that is a problem.....I wanted to show how a simple building "mosque" or in my next few pieces "church steeple" and "Golden Dome'" can envoke hate, anger and make some people think I am a racist. A guy in the Netherlands draws a picture of the prophet Mohammad and the whole flippin world starts to explode. Some guy draws a picture of Obama and wife as Arabs and suddenly that guy is shunned...What ever happened to freedom to express, and since when did a cartoon or in my case "awful picture" ever become so powerful that people will kill for it? Kingdom, you sound like a guy that is either a Muslim or someone who identifies with Islam and thinks I hate Islam and you were quite upset, now look at yourself and ask yourself, how upset would you have been if I would have said you were correct and I am a racist, would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone? All I am saying is let Art be Art and don’t let images weigh so much. We are bombarded with thousands of images a day by advertisements and unwanted propaganda and if you got upset at every image that may be against your beliefs, then you will be an unhappy person. Aside from the image how do you feel about the fun I poke at Moses, Jesus, Dali Lama, David and Goliath, The Pope, and others on my website? www.kosher74.comPeace. Thanks Dotdot I will keep it up.
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Aug 2, 2008 11:03:22 GMT 1
K74, by kingdomcome on Aug 2, 2008 11:03:22 GMT 1, got your goat?
Firstly im not muslim, infact im not even religious. but I do have muslim friends, do you?
so you are wrong to assume that I maybe Muslim and or identify with it just because I dare to question the meaning behind your art.
you then go on to assume that because I maybe angry and I quote 'would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone?'
Now thats a bit of an extreme reaction isnt it? Now whose stereotyping and being judgemental? By assuming I maybe Muslim, are you assuming I must be violent? Pathetic.
Infact, do you even live in the UK? Do you have an understanding of British culture and politics? Do you know how the BNP and other right wing organisations have tried to use misunderstanding between cultures to create divides? And since the creation of the 'war on terror', would have us (yes US), believe that all Muslims are our enemy??
I did NOT say for one minute that you were racist and I dont think you are; my point was that this sort of imagery could be used and manipulated by right wing organisations who care little for what meaning you maybe trying to get across.
Are you aware of that possibility? or do you not care because your using the 'in the name of art' excuse to pass off any old s**t?
As for poking fun at other religious idols, whats the relevance of this? i didnt suggest you were poking fun at any religion & it seems you are suggesting that is what you are doing in the Awful Tower pic, which contradicts your supposed meaning behind the pic.
If your going to stick your 'artwork' on a public forum, expect people to raise their opinions on it.
got your goat?
Firstly im not muslim, infact im not even religious. but I do have muslim friends, do you?
so you are wrong to assume that I maybe Muslim and or identify with it just because I dare to question the meaning behind your art.
you then go on to assume that because I maybe angry and I quote 'would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone?'
Now thats a bit of an extreme reaction isnt it? Now whose stereotyping and being judgemental? By assuming I maybe Muslim, are you assuming I must be violent? Pathetic.
Infact, do you even live in the UK? Do you have an understanding of British culture and politics? Do you know how the BNP and other right wing organisations have tried to use misunderstanding between cultures to create divides? And since the creation of the 'war on terror', would have us (yes US), believe that all Muslims are our enemy??
I did NOT say for one minute that you were racist and I dont think you are; my point was that this sort of imagery could be used and manipulated by right wing organisations who care little for what meaning you maybe trying to get across.
Are you aware of that possibility? or do you not care because your using the 'in the name of art' excuse to pass off any old s**t?
As for poking fun at other religious idols, whats the relevance of this? i didnt suggest you were poking fun at any religion & it seems you are suggesting that is what you are doing in the Awful Tower pic, which contradicts your supposed meaning behind the pic.
If your going to stick your 'artwork' on a public forum, expect people to raise their opinions on it.
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Aug 2, 2008 13:13:31 GMT 1
K74, by baileymontana on Aug 2, 2008 13:13:31 GMT 1, Hi K74 agree with kingdomcome above your quote 'would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone?' came across as a bit stereotypical because of you stating that he might be a Muslim or identify with the religion. Bush & Blair are Christian's and are quite happy to place orders for people to be blown up but in the most part their religion is not attached to their political beliefs.
I like Paristan because it can be interpreted in a negative way by the likes of BNP but in reality it is just a funny image as obviously a mosque would never be built there and it goes to show that concerns about immigration are often over exagerated.
Hi K74 agree with kingdomcome above your quote 'would you have burned something, blown something up, or maybe kill someone?' came across as a bit stereotypical because of you stating that he might be a Muslim or identify with the religion. Bush & Blair are Christian's and are quite happy to place orders for people to be blown up but in the most part their religion is not attached to their political beliefs.
I like Paristan because it can be interpreted in a negative way by the likes of BNP but in reality it is just a funny image as obviously a mosque would never be built there and it goes to show that concerns about immigration are often over exagerated.
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Aug 2, 2008 14:14:54 GMT 1
K74, by snowflake8888 on Aug 2, 2008 14:14:54 GMT 1, It's interesting how people use Christian imagery so much, and stay away from Islam, Buddism, Sikhism, Hindusim. Compare the number of movies that satirise or demonise the Church. I'm just sick of it right now. The new X-Files movie has a character who is a pedophiliac Catholic priest. If they had turned the character into a pedophiliac Islamic mullah, there would be declarations of jihad and fire from the sky.
My perspective is that Christians don't take it to heart so much and one of the most famous teachings is to turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour etc. Because there is no backlash, people keep on at it to see how far they can go. One of the best ways to take the fun out of a prank is to deem it insignificant of attention.
K74, if you want to provoke thought and debate on religion, expand beyond Christian themes and images and explore other religions to make your argument more multidimensional.
Don't get me wrong, it's just a suggestion.
It's interesting how people use Christian imagery so much, and stay away from Islam, Buddism, Sikhism, Hindusim. Compare the number of movies that satirise or demonise the Church. I'm just sick of it right now. The new X-Files movie has a character who is a pedophiliac Catholic priest. If they had turned the character into a pedophiliac Islamic mullah, there would be declarations of jihad and fire from the sky.
My perspective is that Christians don't take it to heart so much and one of the most famous teachings is to turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour etc. Because there is no backlash, people keep on at it to see how far they can go. One of the best ways to take the fun out of a prank is to deem it insignificant of attention.
K74, if you want to provoke thought and debate on religion, expand beyond Christian themes and images and explore other religions to make your argument more multidimensional.
Don't get me wrong, it's just a suggestion.
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Aug 2, 2008 18:00:53 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 2, 2008 18:00:53 GMT 1, I agree my comment about blowing shit up was wrong to say, but I was just trying to make a point that whenever you speak out againast or draw shit with Islam you face the risk of getting killed. Remember Solomon Rashdi? I am not a Muslim and I have nothing against Muslims, and as stupid as this sounds, my best friend is a Iranian born Muslim.
The "war on terror" is a sham and a hoax on the people of the United States. We have been given a common threat so we can all come together and beg our government to help us get "safe"..trust me I am aware of the lies being fed to "us" by "them".
I do not live in the Uk and I know little of British politics, My Paristan was a satirical look of the fact that one of the largest populations of extremist Muslims outside the middle east is in Europe. I did not want to offend anyone and If I did, my apologies...
To answer Snowflake, Check out my website and see how many religions I have touched. I have nothing against any specific religion, I am against ALL man made religions.
Peace
I agree my comment about blowing shit up was wrong to say, but I was just trying to make a point that whenever you speak out againast or draw shit with Islam you face the risk of getting killed. Remember Solomon Rashdi? I am not a Muslim and I have nothing against Muslims, and as stupid as this sounds, my best friend is a Iranian born Muslim.
The "war on terror" is a sham and a hoax on the people of the United States. We have been given a common threat so we can all come together and beg our government to help us get "safe"..trust me I am aware of the lies being fed to "us" by "them".
I do not live in the Uk and I know little of British politics, My Paristan was a satirical look of the fact that one of the largest populations of extremist Muslims outside the middle east is in Europe. I did not want to offend anyone and If I did, my apologies...
To answer Snowflake, Check out my website and see how many religions I have touched. I have nothing against any specific religion, I am against ALL man made religions.
Peace
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Aug 2, 2008 19:17:14 GMT 1
K74, by stender on Aug 2, 2008 19:17:14 GMT 1, Chill out people! this country is already going down hill due to political correctness.
Chill out people! this country is already going down hill due to political correctness.
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Aug 5, 2008 8:51:01 GMT 1
K74, by kay7four on Aug 5, 2008 8:51:01 GMT 1, Well said stender...
Well said stender...
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