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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by fenna67 on Apr 26, 2010 3:03:12 GMT 1, Very nice!
Very nice!
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by vorzero on Apr 26, 2010 7:10:45 GMT 1, amazing... how long did that take you?
amazing... how long did that take you?
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by tobaum on Apr 26, 2010 8:37:18 GMT 1, Absolutely amazing!
Congrats for the show, this piece deserve to be seen.
Absolutely amazing!
Congrats for the show, this piece deserve to be seen.
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by ricobenfico on Apr 26, 2010 11:11:14 GMT 1, Just when you think it couldn't get better.......
Congrats mate, that's fantastic news.
Just when you think it couldn't get better.......
Congrats mate, that's fantastic news.
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by angel41 on Apr 26, 2010 12:24:54 GMT 1, Congrats for the show Skai. Beautiful piece.
Have no idea how you produce things like this. Mind blowing.
Congrats for the show Skai. Beautiful piece.
Have no idea how you produce things like this. Mind blowing.
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 16:29:14 GMT 1, Have you made the other gallery aware of the artist you're "inspired" by..and an honest question but.. what satisfaction do you get out of reproducing someone else's work ?
kuksi.com/
Have you made the other gallery aware of the artist you're "inspired" by..and an honest question but.. what satisfaction do you get out of reproducing someone else's work ? kuksi.com/ |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by jusdeep on Apr 26, 2010 17:14:22 GMT 1, Looks great all painted up Skai
Looks great all painted up Skai
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Coach on Apr 26, 2010 17:57:06 GMT 1, Looks great painted Skai - and huge congrats on getting the show! Keep us informed.
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Looks great painted Skai - and huge congrats on getting the show! Keep us informed.
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 18:09:19 GMT 1, Have you made the other gallery aware of the artist you're "inspired" by..and an honest question but.. what satisfaction do you get out of reproducing someone else's work ? kuksi.com/"All inspiration behind the piece comes from the master of mixed media, Kris Kuksi" That was part of my previous post. "Reproducing" is a strong word. I don't consider what I do as reproducing. I consider my art as the same medium as kuksi. There is only one element that I took from kuksi's piece, that being the tank turret on top of a body. The rest are my ideas, work and thoughts. If an artist is allowed to own a medium per say, the art world would be one hell of a boring place. Would it be fair to myself to deny myself a creative outlet that I enjoy, because anoteher artist created that medium? Thanks for the kind words again, guys.
Fair enough, was just curious as I'm sure it took Kris many many years of hard work, trial and error, money, heartbreak and other challenges to reach the crazy mind blowing style he came up with...whilst others can now log online, see something they like the look of on the other side of the world, then rip it off wholesale in a week whilst adding "Inspired by" to cover their ass. But good luck with the show !
Takk
Have you made the other gallery aware of the artist you're "inspired" by..and an honest question but.. what satisfaction do you get out of reproducing someone else's work ? kuksi.com/"All inspiration behind the piece comes from the master of mixed media, Kris Kuksi" That was part of my previous post. "Reproducing" is a strong word. I don't consider what I do as reproducing. I consider my art as the same medium as kuksi. There is only one element that I took from kuksi's piece, that being the tank turret on top of a body. The rest are my ideas, work and thoughts. If an artist is allowed to own a medium per say, the art world would be one hell of a boring place. Would it be fair to myself to deny myself a creative outlet that I enjoy, because anoteher artist created that medium? Thanks for the kind words again, guys. Fair enough, was just curious as I'm sure it took Kris many many years of hard work, trial and error, money, heartbreak and other challenges to reach the crazy mind blowing style he came up with...whilst others can now log online, see something they like the look of on the other side of the world, then rip it off wholesale in a week whilst adding "Inspired by" to cover their ass. But good luck with the show ! Takk |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 18:41:31 GMT 1, Again, you're saying that the medium is owned. You honestly think that I created the piece by simply looking at kris's work? Trial and error, money spent and hard work were all a part of the experience. I've been doing these pieces for a bit over 3 years. My first piece was titled "homage to kuksi". Kris was well aware of it, I asked his permission to name it that. Not to sound like an ahole, but using your logic, anyone who uses the same medium as an already established artist is simply doing "reproduction" work. That's absolutely unfair to the artist and the art world. All good though, thanks for the well wishes.
Fair comment, I just think it's such an absolutely unique style and idea and having met Kris and been to the show in NYC, it could only have come from his mind.
A quick trawl through ebay and I see many "in the style" of Faile etc etc. This seems very much the same.
Would possibly be different if yours were on bright colours, or on different type mounts, shelves etc, had a different "feel" ..if you brought something more personal, more you, to it maybe. At the moment it looks almost identical..which I guess is compliment enough. Be interesting to see how you develop things..
Again, you're saying that the medium is owned. You honestly think that I created the piece by simply looking at kris's work? Trial and error, money spent and hard work were all a part of the experience. I've been doing these pieces for a bit over 3 years. My first piece was titled "homage to kuksi". Kris was well aware of it, I asked his permission to name it that. Not to sound like an ahole, but using your logic, anyone who uses the same medium as an already established artist is simply doing "reproduction" work. That's absolutely unfair to the artist and the art world. All good though, thanks for the well wishes. Fair comment, I just think it's such an absolutely unique style and idea and having met Kris and been to the show in NYC, it could only have come from his mind. A quick trawl through ebay and I see many "in the style" of Faile etc etc. This seems very much the same. Would possibly be different if yours were on bright colours, or on different type mounts, shelves etc, had a different "feel" ..if you brought something more personal, more you, to it maybe. At the moment it looks almost identical..which I guess is compliment enough. Be interesting to see how you develop things.. |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by skem on Apr 29, 2010 18:51:30 GMT 1, Skai,
It looks great!
Where do you find such odd little pieces for that thing?
Skai,
It looks great!
Where do you find such odd little pieces for that thing?
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by elwheel on Apr 30, 2010 16:19:07 GMT 1, As mentioned previously Skai - this is awesome stuff. Well done and good luck with the show. Hopefully you can get over the damning condemnation from the noob for not creating the medium 
As mentioned previously Skai - this is awesome stuff. Well done and good luck with the show. Hopefully you can get over the damning condemnation from the noob for not creating the medium |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by bazzj04 on Apr 30, 2010 16:27:50 GMT 1, Ha some the comments above are rather funny, This Is a great piece of work man , keep it up ,,
Prehaps next time try to paint it a bright colour and make it out of plastercine, that may please someone , HA 
Ha some the comments above are rather funny, This Is a great piece of work man , keep it up ,, Prehaps next time try to paint it a bright colour and make it out of plastercine, that may please someone , HA |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by nah on Apr 30, 2010 16:33:48 GMT 1, As mentioned previously Skai - this is awesome stuff. Well done and good luck with the show. Hopefully you can get over the damning condemnation from the noob for not creating the medium
its not really just a medium though is it... its a very specific style indeed
As mentioned previously Skai - this is awesome stuff. Well done and good luck with the show. Hopefully you can get over the damning condemnation from the noob for not creating the medium its not really just a medium though is it... its a very specific style indeed |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by JoshuaLinerGallery on Apr 30, 2010 23:33:43 GMT 1, There is so much I can say about this but will keep it brief and let the pictures below speak for themselves.
I think this goes beyond what could be considered an homage to, or inspired by Kris Kuksi. The work goes way beyond derivative, it is a rip off, plain and simple. Does Kuksi own a medium? Of course not. But what you are doing here Steve goes way beyond working in the same medium. You are copying Kris' work and claiming it as your own. You are working in the same medium, with the same materials, the same composition, the same color palette and actually stealing his ideas (see detail images below) and claiming them as your own. Why you think you can call this your "art" is beyond me.
For anyone that sees this and thinks that it is acceptable should consider how an artist who has spent years on his craft to have someone else come along, look at images of the original work and poorly attempt to duplicate it. As collectors and art enthusiasts this should not fly. Some have been quick to point fingers at other artists who are creating derivative work, yet this work which is so unoriginal and a blatant copy goes under the radar and does not get called out. Why is that?
Also in this thread you state that you have been "doing these pieces for a bit over 3 years" however on your blog you say that you "started the project in May 2008" so this is clearly false.
"Taking something from one man and making it worse is plagiarism" -George Moore
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by etched on May 1, 2010 0:02:13 GMT 1, i have to say i agree with joshualiner -
i have to say i agree with joshualiner -
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by wilfsboy on May 1, 2010 0:04:32 GMT 1, i have to say i agree with joshualiner -
me too...
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by cpo on May 1, 2010 5:09:46 GMT 1, i have to say i agree with joshualiner - me too...
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on May 1, 2010 10:02:24 GMT 1, this whole thing reminds me of a little debate in the Netherlands not so long ago, about the legal side of this..
There is a guy (Ton Schulten) who paints things like this:
then there was another guy (Jan Schiermeijer) who painted like this
he had always admitted he was inspired by Schulten, he just liked it to paint in that way. He didn't live from the paintings, but he did expose. Even in his flyers he said he was inspired by Schulten.
Schulten sued Schiermeijer, big trial, lot of media attention. Judge was loud and clear: it is not forbidden to be inspired by someone and make art LIKE that. Schiermeijer had always been honest about his inspiration and didn't copy works.
of course there is also a moral side on this story.. IMO Skai was honest about his inspiration and wasn't looking for compliments or anything like that for the concept of is art, just for the craftmanship. Working two or three (whatever) years on a piece like this, as a hommage, is for me a very humble motivation and deserves my appreciation. He did a great job!
this whole thing reminds me of a little debate in the Netherlands not so long ago, about the legal side of this.. There is a guy (Ton Schulten) who paints things like this: then there was another guy (Jan Schiermeijer) who painted like this he had always admitted he was inspired by Schulten, he just liked it to paint in that way. He didn't live from the paintings, but he did expose. Even in his flyers he said he was inspired by Schulten. Schulten sued Schiermeijer, big trial, lot of media attention. Judge was loud and clear: it is not forbidden to be inspired by someone and make art LIKE that. Schiermeijer had always been honest about his inspiration and didn't copy works. of course there is also a moral side on this story.. IMO Skai was honest about his inspiration and wasn't looking for compliments or anything like that for the concept of is art, just for the craftmanship. Working two or three (whatever) years on a piece like this, as a hommage, is for me a very humble motivation and deserves my appreciation. He did a great job! |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by spirit on May 1, 2010 11:28:57 GMT 1, A very strong case, well made by joshua liner.
I also agree with jopkop to a point. I think there is no doubt that legally, skai is doing nothing wrong. I also accept that there is a moral side - he was honest about his inspiration but it goes further than that. I don't think that it is right to say that he was only taking credit for craftsmanship, not concept for example:
"There is only one element that I took from kuksi's piece, that being the tank turret on top of a body. The rest are my ideas, work and thoughts."
I have great respect for the time, effort and skill put into this piece by skai, but for me it is lacking in artistic integrity and it can never be anything other than chasing coat tails until he stops biting Kuksi's style and starts to find and develop his own. Nothing wrong with continuing to work in the medium of mixed media assemblage (is it possible to say that word without sounding like a t**t?) but he needs to find his own voice.
Being inspired by Kuksi, and exploring how he does what he does and making pieces in homage is fine - that is part of the artistic journey to finding your own style. The major problem for me comes when this turns from a learning process into a commercial venture. At that point you are making money off someone else's ideas and potentially depriving them of sales and that lacks artistic integrity and is morally wrong.
A very strong case, well made by joshua liner.
I also agree with jopkop to a point. I think there is no doubt that legally, skai is doing nothing wrong. I also accept that there is a moral side - he was honest about his inspiration but it goes further than that. I don't think that it is right to say that he was only taking credit for craftsmanship, not concept for example:
"There is only one element that I took from kuksi's piece, that being the tank turret on top of a body. The rest are my ideas, work and thoughts."
I have great respect for the time, effort and skill put into this piece by skai, but for me it is lacking in artistic integrity and it can never be anything other than chasing coat tails until he stops biting Kuksi's style and starts to find and develop his own. Nothing wrong with continuing to work in the medium of mixed media assemblage (is it possible to say that word without sounding like a t**t?) but he needs to find his own voice.
Being inspired by Kuksi, and exploring how he does what he does and making pieces in homage is fine - that is part of the artistic journey to finding your own style. The major problem for me comes when this turns from a learning process into a commercial venture. At that point you are making money off someone else's ideas and potentially depriving them of sales and that lacks artistic integrity and is morally wrong.
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on May 1, 2010 12:49:43 GMT 1, I have to agree with your last point, Spirit. When money starts playing a role i think my opinion would change...
No doubt for me skai is working on the edge.. but I like that too!
I have to agree with your last point, Spirit. When money starts playing a role i think my opinion would change...
No doubt for me skai is working on the edge.. but I like that too!
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on May 4, 2010 14:03:44 GMT 1, Talent borrows, genius steals ?
Talent borrows, genius steals ?
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on May 4, 2010 14:05:30 GMT 1, you mean this?
you mean this? |
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I've been asked to show at a gallery :), by Deleted on May 4, 2010 14:08:48 GMT 1, I was thinking of Oscar Wilde, but that's more appropriate !!
I was thinking of Oscar Wilde, but that's more appropriate !!
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