mmmike
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Make an offer?, by mmmike on Apr 7, 2011 22:48:08 GMT 1, There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency.
There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency.
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nathzz
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Make an offer?, by nathzz on Apr 7, 2011 22:53:45 GMT 1, a agree with your comments. but sometimes markets can change almost instantaneously, and some pieces sold arent up for sale often, so a price is unkown. It is annoying though!
a agree with your comments. but sometimes markets can change almost instantaneously, and some pieces sold arent up for sale often, so a price is unkown. It is annoying though!
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Make an offer?, by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 22:59:54 GMT 1, There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency.
good point well made
There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency. good point well made
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Make an offer?, by bullet on Apr 7, 2011 23:01:57 GMT 1, There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency.
In short. Basically a way to sell for maximum while at the same time being a cheap sod and evading ebay fees. Theres always a price in mind on anything, especially on things like this..
There is a lot of chat on here about listing prices VS asking for offers. I didnโt want to further side track someone elseโs sale thread so thought it might be a good idea to set up a new one for people to discuss. Everyone has an opinion, here is mine, sellers should list prices. If you want to do best offer do ebay. Hereโs the thing, with asking for offers there is usually no end date and no firm commitment by the seller to sell. The likely thing is people will make offers and the seller will play one offer against another to drive the price up. There is no transparency so the buyers donโt know if the seller is being truthful. There may not be another buyer at all. So it sucks for the buyers. It also sucks for the seller because lots of buyers will rightly be suspicious of these types of deals and will just stay away. With the lack of transparency as a buyer even if you participate you may not be willing to pay as much as at auction because in theory at auction you will only pay one bid higher than the next highest. In these shady best offer deals you get no real information to help guide you as to what the market price is. So the result will likely be suboptimal pricing. My advice is if you want to sell, do a bit of research and come up with an asking price. A price you will be happy with and go from there. Deals will be done faster or at least you find out if your prices are out to lunch and both parties will be happier with the deals if there is greater transparency. In short. Basically a way to sell for maximum while at the same time being a cheap sod and evading ebay fees. Theres always a price in mind on anything, especially on things like this..
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connecta1
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Make an offer?, by connecta1 on Apr 7, 2011 23:04:45 GMT 1, ...mmmike, absolutely agree
and nathzz, you are right, but I think in that instance, the seller should set a price they think it to be worth (price of last one sold/whatever their cost price was/whatever), if it's massively unrealistic, they'll find out soon enough... it's a starting point at least.
...mmmike, absolutely agree
and nathzz, you are right, but I think in that instance, the seller should set a price they think it to be worth (price of last one sold/whatever their cost price was/whatever), if it's massively unrealistic, they'll find out soon enough... it's a starting point at least.
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Make an offer?, by theleveller on Apr 7, 2011 23:04:45 GMT 1, You selling anything mike? If not why bother telling people what to do? If you know the market, you know what pieces are worth, no need for a price? However I've added them to mine and had lots of interested people!
I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really.
You selling anything mike? If not why bother telling people what to do? If you know the market, you know what pieces are worth, no need for a price? However I've added them to mine and had lots of interested people!
I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really.
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Make an offer?, by Guest on Apr 7, 2011 23:05:22 GMT 1, Great idea, BUT it will never happen!!!!!!!!!!!
Great idea, BUT it will never happen!!!!!!!!!!!
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connecta1
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Make an offer?, by connecta1 on Apr 7, 2011 23:08:48 GMT 1, You selling anything mike? If not why bother telling people what to do? If you know the market, you know what pieces are worth, no need for a price? However I've added them to mine and had lots of interested people!
...he clearly isn't, and has explained why, it makes a deal more transparent and not like some absurd game of PM poker.
You've added prices, still had interest and will probably still sell for roughly the price you want... QED.
You selling anything mike? If not why bother telling people what to do? If you know the market, you know what pieces are worth, no need for a price? However I've added them to mine and had lots of interested people! ...he clearly isn't, and has explained why, it makes a deal more transparent and not like some absurd game of PM poker. You've added prices, still had interest and will probably still sell for roughly the price you want... QED.
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Make an offer?, by theleveller on Apr 7, 2011 23:13:15 GMT 1, Really?....Thanks!
Really?....Thanks!
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connecta1
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Make an offer?, by connecta1 on Apr 7, 2011 23:20:17 GMT 1, ...not trying to be smartarse mate, my point is I genuinely don't think it'll affect whether or not you sell or how much you'll get (what are you selling btw )
...not trying to be smartarse mate, my point is I genuinely don't think it'll affect whether or not you sell or how much you'll get (what are you selling btw )
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Make an offer?, by chyren on Apr 7, 2011 23:21:15 GMT 1, I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really.
i ll disagree
and no, i dont do my homeworks i buy on impulse..and drunk most of the time i buy
I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really. i ll disagree and no, i dont do my homeworks i buy on impulse..and drunk most of the time i buy
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Make an offer?, by gibbin82 on Apr 7, 2011 23:21:22 GMT 1, On another non art related forum I am on (Ultimate Reef) the Wanted / For sale section will not allow any listings that do not have a listed price and all negotiations must take place within the thread and are only allowed to be taken to pm once an agreement is made, it seems to work quite well there as it is transparent and fair.
Also it can be very difficult for some (myself mainly ) to know what some pieces are really worth and without a price listed it is not possible to know whether it is within their price range, it is therefore necessary to ask how much is wanted for it, which can be a waste of time for both parties. I have bought a few pieces this way and to say "do not ask for prices" would IMO severely reduce the potential to sell an item to as wide a range of people as possible.
With all the talk of flipping on the forum, an approach similar to the Reef forum mentioned, would reduce the claims of having pieces bought (with a tale of poverty) and then resold secretly for profit, on the other hand it may also expose one or two that are doing just that
On another non art related forum I am on (Ultimate Reef) the Wanted / For sale section will not allow any listings that do not have a listed price and all negotiations must take place within the thread and are only allowed to be taken to pm once an agreement is made, it seems to work quite well there as it is transparent and fair. Also it can be very difficult for some (myself mainly ) to know what some pieces are really worth and without a price listed it is not possible to know whether it is within their price range, it is therefore necessary to ask how much is wanted for it, which can be a waste of time for both parties. I have bought a few pieces this way and to say "do not ask for prices" would IMO severely reduce the potential to sell an item to as wide a range of people as possible. With all the talk of flipping on the forum, an approach similar to the Reef forum mentioned, would reduce the claims of having pieces bought (with a tale of poverty) and then resold secretly for profit, on the other hand it may also expose one or two that are doing just that
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connecta1
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Make an offer?, by connecta1 on Apr 7, 2011 23:33:50 GMT 1, On another non art related forum I am on (Ultimate Reef) the Wanted / For sale section will not allow any listings that do not have a listed price and all negotiations must take place within the thread and are only allowed to be taken to pm once an agreement is made, it seems to work quite well there as it is transparent and fair.
...absolutely. Same point was made on here just the other day, on every other forum I visit, sales threads without prices are zapped.
and that 'don't even ask for a price' business... what's that all about?
On another non art related forum I am on (Ultimate Reef) the Wanted / For sale section will not allow any listings that do not have a listed price and all negotiations must take place within the thread and are only allowed to be taken to pm once an agreement is made, it seems to work quite well there as it is transparent and fair. ...absolutely. Same point was made on here just the other day, on every other forum I visit, sales threads without prices are zapped. and that 'don't even ask for a price' business... what's that all about?
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Make an offer?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Apr 7, 2011 23:38:44 GMT 1, I think that on expresso beans you're as well required to list a price.
However for some pieces, it's hard to price (pieces that don't come up that often for exemple)
I think that on expresso beans you're as well required to list a price.
However for some pieces, it's hard to price (pieces that don't come up that often for exemple)
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Make an offer?, by sal on Apr 7, 2011 23:41:42 GMT 1, one of the smartest posts I've seen on this board!.. thanks for taking your time to point it out..
I never liked the "send me offer" policy of this board, but Im quite new, so I kept my mouth shut.. but also, didnt really get involved in any sales that works on offers.. the ones I did inquiry about, I got such ridiculous answers, I realized it makes no sense negotiating that way...
one of the smartest posts I've seen on this board!.. thanks for taking your time to point it out..
I never liked the "send me offer" policy of this board, but Im quite new, so I kept my mouth shut.. but also, didnt really get involved in any sales that works on offers.. the ones I did inquiry about, I got such ridiculous answers, I realized it makes no sense negotiating that way...
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Shoeless
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Make an offer?, by Shoeless on Apr 8, 2011 1:19:19 GMT 1, one of the smartest posts I've seen on this board!.. thanks for taking your time to point it out.. I never liked the "send me offer" policy of this board, but Im quite new, so I kept my mouth shut.. but also, didnt really get involved in any sales that works on offers.. the ones I did inquiry about, I got such ridiculous answers, I realized it makes no sense negotiating that way...
+1
Im also a newer member to THIS forum, but I have been around for long enough to know that a private bidding war is suspicious and shouldnt be a proper way to handle business. Will it stop? Not unless a rule is enforced. Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price. Cheers for bringing this up and we can only hope it brings about some change. To those who have pieces that are rarely sold, DO SOME RESEARCH if you want absolute top dollar. We arent talking about small amounts of currency here. Understand what you have and what it may be worth before you put it up for sale. If thats too much to ask, I recommend bitting the bullet and using ebay or an auction house. Just my opinion......
one of the smartest posts I've seen on this board!.. thanks for taking your time to point it out.. I never liked the "send me offer" policy of this board, but Im quite new, so I kept my mouth shut.. but also, didnt really get involved in any sales that works on offers.. the ones I did inquiry about, I got such ridiculous answers, I realized it makes no sense negotiating that way... +1 Im also a newer member to THIS forum, but I have been around for long enough to know that a private bidding war is suspicious and shouldnt be a proper way to handle business. Will it stop? Not unless a rule is enforced. Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price. Cheers for bringing this up and we can only hope it brings about some change. To those who have pieces that are rarely sold, DO SOME RESEARCH if you want absolute top dollar. We arent talking about small amounts of currency here. Understand what you have and what it may be worth before you put it up for sale. If thats too much to ask, I recommend bitting the bullet and using ebay or an auction house. Just my opinion......
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Make an offer?, by danielalaei on Apr 8, 2011 1:51:34 GMT 1, I agree with mike, certain pieces that we all know the prices is one thing but sometimes a piece comes along that rarely is seen anywhere and ur expected to make a fair offer. thus the seller gets all offended and pissy. also i think while expressobean is a source for some pricing it shouldnt be our official guide to go by. a guy on here (wont mention no names) was expecting a print that commonly goes for 600gbp on here and priced it at 1400gbp because once upon a time someone on ebay paid that. Get real.
I agree with mike, certain pieces that we all know the prices is one thing but sometimes a piece comes along that rarely is seen anywhere and ur expected to make a fair offer. thus the seller gets all offended and pissy. also i think while expressobean is a source for some pricing it shouldnt be our official guide to go by. a guy on here (wont mention no names) was expecting a print that commonly goes for 600gbp on here and priced it at 1400gbp because once upon a time someone on ebay paid that. Get real.
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mattgold
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Make an offer?, by mattgold on Apr 8, 2011 2:08:38 GMT 1, Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price.
From my perspective, when you are talking about art that is $5000USD/ยฃ3000GBP++ or has runs less then ~100ish or are just plainly not available for mass consumption - it doesn't matter if there is an asking price or not.
If a buyer wants one, they probably know the market and know if they need to have one or not. From there, it's just negotiation.
Perhaps the point of not listing a price is to cut down the dreamers. I've listed pieces in the aforementioned range and gotten offers of "I only have $2000 but I can throw in my MBW Liberty which once sold for $1700, plus my Obey Dali which is around $500" (seriously).
But I know someone is serious when they PM me with a realistic offer, list a phone # or email address and deal like a fuckin' professional. They know I'm serious, I know they're serious... so we dance.
The other fallout from listing a price is all the fuckwits that chime in with their .02 about they're buddy who just bought one for 1/2 the price and the gallery that just sold one for double (depending if they own one or not). I'm sure I've been a fuckwit once or twice.
Anyhow, bottom line, sellers have their methods... if it doesn't work for a particular buyer, then it wasn't meant to be.
-M
Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price. From my perspective, when you are talking about art that is $5000USD/ยฃ3000GBP++ or has runs less then ~100ish or are just plainly not available for mass consumption - it doesn't matter if there is an asking price or not. If a buyer wants one, they probably know the market and know if they need to have one or not. From there, it's just negotiation. Perhaps the point of not listing a price is to cut down the dreamers. I've listed pieces in the aforementioned range and gotten offers of "I only have $2000 but I can throw in my MBW Liberty which once sold for $1700, plus my Obey Dali which is around $500" (seriously). But I know someone is serious when they PM me with a realistic offer, list a phone # or email address and deal like a fuckin' professional. They know I'm serious, I know they're serious... so we dance. The other fallout from listing a price is all the fuckwits that chime in with their .02 about they're buddy who just bought one for 1/2 the price and the gallery that just sold one for double (depending if they own one or not). I'm sure I've been a fuckwit once or twice. Anyhow, bottom line, sellers have their methods... if it doesn't work for a particular buyer, then it wasn't meant to be. -M
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Make an offer?, by lifeonwalls on Apr 8, 2011 2:46:07 GMT 1, I agree with the idea of having to list a price and am glad to see it brought up. I'm used to it on other boards and find that it helps get deals done. If a certain amount of time has passed and the market changes a seller can explain that to a potential buyer. A seller obviously isn't commited to a price but at least it can be used as a starting point.
As far as the comments about prices in for sale threads - dont allow them. It requires a lot of moderating but it can be done (thegiant.org).
I agree with the idea of having to list a price and am glad to see it brought up. I'm used to it on other boards and find that it helps get deals done. If a certain amount of time has passed and the market changes a seller can explain that to a potential buyer. A seller obviously isn't commited to a price but at least it can be used as a starting point.
As far as the comments about prices in for sale threads - dont allow them. It requires a lot of moderating but it can be done (thegiant.org).
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Shoeless
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Make an offer?, by Shoeless on Apr 8, 2011 2:47:16 GMT 1, All of your points are on point matt and it seems you may be one of the few that handles a private sale properly. I can understand not wanting tire kickers and ridiculous trade offers. My problem is sellers who are obviously only taking offers to have a bidding war. For example (1 of a few that Ive had): I was after a Trolleys not too long ago(still am actually). Seller doesnt list any range, only "pm with offers". I send a very realistic offer. Seller replied that there was another bidder and I should raise mine. I did by ยฃ200. He responded back that the other bidder had then topped that so I should throw out another number....... At this point, I had wasted almost 3 weeks going back and forth with him. Even though I was very serious and ready to purchase, I backed out. If he would have set a price or at least a desired range, I would have known if it was worth MY time and effort to enter a bidding war. I had no proof there was actually another interested party nor what their bid was. I understand there may have been and they just wanted it that much more than me.......but is that not what ebay is for?
As I said, all of your points are valid and things will not likely change. Just wanted to throw my opinion out there.
All of your points are on point matt and it seems you may be one of the few that handles a private sale properly. I can understand not wanting tire kickers and ridiculous trade offers. My problem is sellers who are obviously only taking offers to have a bidding war. For example (1 of a few that Ive had): I was after a Trolleys not too long ago(still am actually). Seller doesnt list any range, only "pm with offers". I send a very realistic offer. Seller replied that there was another bidder and I should raise mine. I did by ยฃ200. He responded back that the other bidder had then topped that so I should throw out another number....... At this point, I had wasted almost 3 weeks going back and forth with him. Even though I was very serious and ready to purchase, I backed out. If he would have set a price or at least a desired range, I would have known if it was worth MY time and effort to enter a bidding war. I had no proof there was actually another interested party nor what their bid was. I understand there may have been and they just wanted it that much more than me.......but is that not what ebay is for?
As I said, all of your points are valid and things will not likely change. Just wanted to throw my opinion out there.
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Make an offer?, by boaty on Apr 8, 2011 2:55:00 GMT 1, it comes down to confidence, knowledge and personal value...
sellers asking for offers may not be sure of value and want the best price...so ask for offers...
buyers looking for ask prices may not be sure of the value and want the best price...so ask for expected price ranges upfront...
not sure there is any right or wrong approach...just gotta find a happy match, is all...
peace and love
it comes down to confidence, knowledge and personal value... sellers asking for offers may not be sure of value and want the best price...so ask for offers... buyers looking for ask prices may not be sure of the value and want the best price...so ask for expected price ranges upfront... not sure there is any right or wrong approach...just gotta find a happy match, is all... peace and love
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mmmike
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Make an offer?, by mmmike on Apr 8, 2011 2:59:32 GMT 1, I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really. i ll disagree and no, i dont do my homeworks i buy on impulse..and drunk most of the time i buy
Best post. (Edit) now second best just read a better one on MBW thread.
I agree if drunk different rules apply ;D
I've sure if people are selling they know exactly what there worth, just trying to get above market value..... If you collect you know what its worth.. simples really. i ll disagree and no, i dont do my homeworks i buy on impulse..and drunk most of the time i buy Best post. (Edit) now second best just read a better one on MBW thread. I agree if drunk different rules apply ;D
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anodyne13
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Make an offer?, by anodyne13 on Apr 8, 2011 3:17:12 GMT 1, Just put an asking price. If you dont know what you are willing to take, you are an idiot. If you price it too low, you will get multiple offers and thus raise the price to establish market clearing value.
Just put an asking price. If you dont know what you are willing to take, you are an idiot. If you price it too low, you will get multiple offers and thus raise the price to establish market clearing value.
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Make an offer?, by joeschmo on Apr 8, 2011 3:42:43 GMT 1, I like to see a price, no fucking around, and maybe make an offer on that price. Asking for offers makes you sound like a knob.
I like to see a price, no fucking around, and maybe make an offer on that price. Asking for offers makes you sound like a knob.
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Make an offer?, by Lunch Special on Apr 8, 2011 5:35:11 GMT 1, bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence....
bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence....
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Make an offer?, by danielalaei on Apr 8, 2011 5:41:36 GMT 1, bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence....
right on the money. Some think by listing a price they might be cutting themselves short if someone wants to offer more.... How often have we ever been offered more money then we expected. Everyone on here is trying to get the best deal possible. And I think people who low ball a offer or vice versa should be prepared to justify their price.
bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence.... right on the money. Some think by listing a price they might be cutting themselves short if someone wants to offer more.... How often have we ever been offered more money then we expected. Everyone on here is trying to get the best deal possible. And I think people who low ball a offer or vice versa should be prepared to justify their price.
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Hubble Bubble
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Make an offer?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 8, 2011 8:00:53 GMT 1, bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence....
I'm new to the board too and wouldn't dream of telling you guys how to buy or sell. But I agree with this point. 'Offers around xxx' seems a sensible way forward...
bidding, offers, public or vi pm are all for and should be left to online auctions. If a seller is willing to entertain offers then she/he should be clear and state: looking to sell this by xx/xx and in the ยฃยฃยฃ range.. pm me an offer at or around that this way your showing a general guide of where you want to be so you can narrow it down to the serious buyer/collector and not the one who's looking to insult your intelligence.... I'm new to the board too and wouldn't dream of telling you guys how to buy or sell. But I agree with this point. 'Offers around xxx' seems a sensible way forward...
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jesustheba
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Make an offer?, by jesustheba on Apr 8, 2011 9:30:25 GMT 1, I am also on Ultimate Reef (nice to see another reefer) and agree the way of doing it there is so much better always a price and open negotiations Also i have bought 3 or 4 pieces that have been listed as PM offers my first question is always how much you looking for and they always say an amount so why not just post the amount you are looking for and be done with it
I am also on Ultimate Reef (nice to see another reefer) and agree the way of doing it there is so much better always a price and open negotiations Also i have bought 3 or 4 pieces that have been listed as PM offers my first question is always how much you looking for and they always say an amount so why not just post the amount you are looking for and be done with it
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saint
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Make an offer?, by saint on Apr 8, 2011 10:20:19 GMT 1, Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price. From my perspective, when you are talking about art that is $5000USD/ยฃ3000GBP++ or has runs less then ~100ish or are just plainly not available for mass consumption - it doesn't matter if there is an asking price or not. If a buyer wants one, they probably know the market and know if they need to have one or not. From there, it's just negotiation. Perhaps the point of not listing a price is to cut down the dreamers. I've listed pieces in the aforementioned range and gotten offers of "I only have $2000 but I can throw in my MBW Liberty which once sold for $1700, plus my Obey Dali which is around $500" (seriously). But I know someone is serious when they PM me with a realistic offer, list a phone # or email address and deal like a f**kin' professional. They know I'm serious, I know they're serious... so we dance. The other fallout from listing a price is all the f**kwits that chime in with their .02 about they're buddy who just bought one for 1/2 the price and the gallery that just sold one for double (depending if they own one or not). I'm sure I've been a f**kwit once or twice. Anyhow, bottom line, sellers have their methods... if it doesn't work for a particular buyer, then it wasn't meant to be. -M
+1 at a certain price point why post the price? you know what its worth to you, any serious buyer will know what its worth to them. Posting up a price just makes idiots tell you your prices are wrong. (speaking about og's and rare pieces here)
saying that when its a piece thats easily valued then a price should be posted IMO. I find it pretty ridiculous when i see a thread where a banksy movie poster is for sale with BEST OFFER next to it.... its a poster FFS, i'll give you a tenner to bin it.....
Its a downer as there have been many prints that I wanted to add to my collection but passed on due to lack of a set price. From my perspective, when you are talking about art that is $5000USD/ยฃ3000GBP++ or has runs less then ~100ish or are just plainly not available for mass consumption - it doesn't matter if there is an asking price or not. If a buyer wants one, they probably know the market and know if they need to have one or not. From there, it's just negotiation. Perhaps the point of not listing a price is to cut down the dreamers. I've listed pieces in the aforementioned range and gotten offers of "I only have $2000 but I can throw in my MBW Liberty which once sold for $1700, plus my Obey Dali which is around $500" (seriously). But I know someone is serious when they PM me with a realistic offer, list a phone # or email address and deal like a f**kin' professional. They know I'm serious, I know they're serious... so we dance. The other fallout from listing a price is all the f**kwits that chime in with their .02 about they're buddy who just bought one for 1/2 the price and the gallery that just sold one for double (depending if they own one or not). I'm sure I've been a f**kwit once or twice. Anyhow, bottom line, sellers have their methods... if it doesn't work for a particular buyer, then it wasn't meant to be. -M +1 at a certain price point why post the price? you know what its worth to you, any serious buyer will know what its worth to them. Posting up a price just makes idiots tell you your prices are wrong. (speaking about og's and rare pieces here) saying that when its a piece thats easily valued then a price should be posted IMO. I find it pretty ridiculous when i see a thread where a banksy movie poster is for sale with BEST OFFER next to it.... its a poster FFS, i'll give you a tenner to bin it.....
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murdock
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Make an offer?, by murdock on Apr 8, 2011 10:23:17 GMT 1, ...mmmike, absolutely agree and nathzz, you are right, but I think in that instance, the seller should set a price they think it to be worth (price of last one sold/whatever their cost price was/whatever), if it's massively unrealistic, they'll find out soon enough... it's a starting point at least.
Totally agree.
Threads without prices should be deleted.
...mmmike, absolutely agree and nathzz, you are right, but I think in that instance, the seller should set a price they think it to be worth (price of last one sold/whatever their cost price was/whatever), if it's massively unrealistic, they'll find out soon enough... it's a starting point at least. Totally agree. Threads without prices should be deleted.
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