robotoil
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Banksy Bias?, by robotoil on Jul 18, 2008 15:26:31 GMT 1, This type of build and knock down happens all the time in the states for celebrities. Of course, with all the mystery around Banksy due to his non-persona persona, Banksy could be whatever you wanted/needed him to be to fit the profile of the artist that produced his brand of anti-establishment art. Should it change how the art is viewed now that Banksy has been outed? I don't think so. But, I never thought of Banksy as some sort of hero. Rather, just another artist who built a part of his career on the mystery of who he was. For those who built that mystic into why they enjoyed Banksy, yes, they will have to re-evaluate.
In any event, since Banksy has been laying low, i.e, not issuing any prints, it will be interesting to see how this effects his auction prices. I don't expect this "news" to effect how hard it is to get a print on release day at all. Or, after market prices.
This type of build and knock down happens all the time in the states for celebrities. Of course, with all the mystery around Banksy due to his non-persona persona, Banksy could be whatever you wanted/needed him to be to fit the profile of the artist that produced his brand of anti-establishment art. Should it change how the art is viewed now that Banksy has been outed? I don't think so. But, I never thought of Banksy as some sort of hero. Rather, just another artist who built a part of his career on the mystery of who he was. For those who built that mystic into why they enjoyed Banksy, yes, they will have to re-evaluate.
In any event, since Banksy has been laying low, i.e, not issuing any prints, it will be interesting to see how this effects his auction prices. I don't expect this "news" to effect how hard it is to get a print on release day at all. Or, after market prices.
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Banksy Bias?, by baileymontana on Jul 18, 2008 15:56:55 GMT 1, I feel the Mail article was possibly spinning the "private school" angle a bit. As I see it isn't Banksy a self confessed vandal with books detailing the acts of vandalism. If his name is easily out in the public domain it just takes a policeman, councilor or politician who wants to make a name for themselves to ask for Banksy to be prosecuted (Boris Johnson mentioned tackling graffiti before he became mayor).
Obviously this forum is biased when it comes to street art but there are a lot people who feel graffiti is a menace. Just this week one member of the DPM crew got jailed for two years!
I feel the Mail article was possibly spinning the "private school" angle a bit. As I see it isn't Banksy a self confessed vandal with books detailing the acts of vandalism. If his name is easily out in the public domain it just takes a policeman, councilor or politician who wants to make a name for themselves to ask for Banksy to be prosecuted (Boris Johnson mentioned tackling graffiti before he became mayor).
Obviously this forum is biased when it comes to street art but there are a lot people who feel graffiti is a menace. Just this week one member of the DPM crew got jailed for two years!
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becksaboo
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Banksy Bias?, by becksaboo on Jul 18, 2008 16:02:55 GMT 1, you have to look at the daily mail's readership to understand the bias they had towards this and the fact that are trying to make it into a bigger story as it creates a nice juxtaposition for them and creates better headlines. I don't think it's something Banksy or anyone connected to him have ever mentioned.
you have to look at the daily mail's readership to understand the bias they had towards this and the fact that are trying to make it into a bigger story as it creates a nice juxtaposition for them and creates better headlines. I don't think it's something Banksy or anyone connected to him have ever mentioned.
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Banksy Bias?, by junkieart on Jul 18, 2008 21:30:33 GMT 1, Personally I don't care where people come from, ie which social scale!! Many socialist icons have come from wealthy/higher class parents, for one good example: Carl Marx !! I brought B's work because I liked it. My first purchase was QV and only after I brought the image, I read up about QV, and found she refused to pass a bill that lesbianism was illegal but being a gay man was fine. So basically if someone can inform you through a piece of art then great!!! My most thought provoking piece I own is a cuban artists copy of picasso's guernica. For me as long as the artwork talks to you and it means something to YOU, who cares who there parents are, or what school there from as long and you have some personal connection with what they are trying to do/say?
Just my thought JA
Personally I don't care where people come from, ie which social scale!! Many socialist icons have come from wealthy/higher class parents, for one good example: Carl Marx !! I brought B's work because I liked it. My first purchase was QV and only after I brought the image, I read up about QV, and found she refused to pass a bill that lesbianism was illegal but being a gay man was fine. So basically if someone can inform you through a piece of art then great!!! My most thought provoking piece I own is a cuban artists copy of picasso's guernica. For me as long as the artwork talks to you and it means something to YOU, who cares who there parents are, or what school there from as long and you have some personal connection with what they are trying to do/say?
Just my thought JA
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Banksy Bias?, by richy00 on Jul 18, 2008 22:25:37 GMT 1, i went to public school, i dont see the fuss, its just where your parents decided to send you..
i went to public school, i dont see the fuss, its just where your parents decided to send you..
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low3
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Banksy Bias?, by low3 on Jul 18, 2008 22:27:18 GMT 1, Can i put my conspiracy-theory-hat on for a minute and chuck in my two penneth??:
Could it be that this recent press coverage and subsequent efforts to discredit and devalue the brand that is banksy (and also i suppose the whole urban art/ grafitti) is down to the actions and influence of some of the big money behind the world that is fine art? I could imagine they could feel threatened by the whole movement, and ever increasing popularity and increasing auction prices for his works. The easiest place to start with a push to reduce its imact would be to start a the top, i.e Mr B.
Or am i being a little silly??
Can i put my conspiracy-theory-hat on for a minute and chuck in my two penneth??:
Could it be that this recent press coverage and subsequent efforts to discredit and devalue the brand that is banksy (and also i suppose the whole urban art/ grafitti) is down to the actions and influence of some of the big money behind the world that is fine art? I could imagine they could feel threatened by the whole movement, and ever increasing popularity and increasing auction prices for his works. The easiest place to start with a push to reduce its imact would be to start a the top, i.e Mr B.
Or am i being a little silly??
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Banksy Bias?, by onemandown72 on Jul 18, 2008 23:04:23 GMT 1, I cannot believe how much mileage this Mail story is being given!!!! This is madness Once you stop to consider the Mail's political leaning, readership and agenda then this clearly defines the story. This is a clever piece of journalism for the Mails readership - has no-one considered that Banksy won't sue over the facts, so the Mail can print what they want with very little fear of litigation. They've already tested the water with the Can's piece. Please can all put this into context of what the Mail is, and stop giving it such credence.
I cannot believe how much mileage this Mail story is being given!!!! This is madness Once you stop to consider the Mail's political leaning, readership and agenda then this clearly defines the story. This is a clever piece of journalism for the Mails readership - has no-one considered that Banksy won't sue over the facts, so the Mail can print what they want with very little fear of litigation. They've already tested the water with the Can's piece. Please can all put this into context of what the Mail is, and stop giving it such credence.
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Banksy Bias?, by Guest on Jul 19, 2008 0:23:33 GMT 1, pretty poor, could do better 1/10 for journalism
pretty poor, could do better 1/10 for journalism
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Banksy Bias?, by icky on Jul 26, 2008 0:30:34 GMT 1, Yeah, I think much of the Banksy's stance on politics and class have be built up by other people using him as good PR for those view points but that seems be be backfiring at the moment.
Yeah, I think much of the Banksy's stance on politics and class have be built up by other people using him as good PR for those view points but that seems be be backfiring at the moment.
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Domy
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Banksy Bias?, by Domy on Jul 27, 2008 15:53:11 GMT 1, Not sure why anyone would be the slightest bit suprised by this kind of article. It's traditional British journalism to knock down those that have any form of success... even more so when they refuse to play ball (in this case Banksy's continued anonymity).
Shouldn't also forget that it's a crime to be anything other than "working class" in this day and age. Heaven forbid you dare want to strive for something more than mediocrity
Not sure why anyone would be the slightest bit suprised by this kind of article. It's traditional British journalism to knock down those that have any form of success... even more so when they refuse to play ball (in this case Banksy's continued anonymity). Shouldn't also forget that it's a crime to be anything other than "working class" in this day and age. Heaven forbid you dare want to strive for something more than mediocrity
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Stella Dore
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Banksy Bias?, by Stella Dore on Jul 27, 2008 16:10:06 GMT 1, I can't wait till Santa Claus is unmasked, that bastard hasn't left me presents since I was a kid
I can't wait till Santa Claus is unmasked, that bastard hasn't left me presents since I was a kid
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Banksy Bias?, by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 16:12:09 GMT 1, I can't wait till Santa Claus is unmasked, that bastard hasn't left me presents since I was a kid
Hes got a big ginger afro and goes around with an old bag.
I can't wait till Santa Claus is unmasked, that bastard hasn't left me presents since I was a kid Hes got a big ginger afro and goes around with an old bag.
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dslug
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Banksy Bias?, by dslug on Jul 27, 2008 17:08:15 GMT 1,
Im santa and so is my wife!
Im santa and so is my wife!
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Banksy Bias?, by manchestermike on Feb 19, 2010 15:19:48 GMT 1, I also fail to see how there's any conflict between going to private school & being opposed to elitism. What better way to see the injustices of the class system than to experience it first hand?
Didn't see this at the time, but why would a person going to a private school see the injustices of the class system first hand?
I also fail to see how there's any conflict between going to private school & being opposed to elitism. What better way to see the injustices of the class system than to experience it first hand? Didn't see this at the time, but why would a person going to a private school see the injustices of the class system first hand?
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raiden
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Banksy Bias?, by raiden on Feb 20, 2010 4:39:16 GMT 1, Che Guevera - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family and totally rejected it.
Friedrich Engels - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
Gandhi - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
Buddha - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
The list could go on...
But the point is, what's the big deal what you were born into if you clearly reject it?
Che Guevera - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family and totally rejected it.
Friedrich Engels - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
Gandhi - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
Buddha - came from a rich, well to do, upper class family, and totally rejected it.
The list could go on...
But the point is, what's the big deal what you were born into if you clearly reject it?
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