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Montubu7
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CHARIDEE, by Montubu7 on May 9, 2007 19:31:47 GMT 1, Why dont you ask him, hes a forum member....
Why dont you ask him, hes a forum member....
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 19:42:33 GMT 1, Why dont you ask him, hes a forum member....
in that case maybe the person in question could enlighten me as to their need to buy and then sell 5 of these catalogues? 1, yes but 5? !!!!
be a man about it and fill me in would you?
Why dont you ask him, hes a forum member.... in that case maybe the person in question could enlighten me as to their need to buy and then sell 5 of these catalogues? 1, yes but 5? !!!! be a man about it and fill me in would you? |
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CHARIDEE, by corblimeylimey on May 9, 2007 19:59:26 GMT 1, The seller has already sold 6!!!! for a total of ยฃ332.50.
I too have bought one of these books, I got it from a member of this forum who sent it to me for cost, I wouldn't describe the book as being printed on textured card.
The seller has already sold 6!!!! for a total of ยฃ332.50.
I too have bought one of these books, I got it from a member of this forum who sent it to me for cost, I wouldn't describe the book as being printed on textured card.
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:28:34 GMT 1, The seller has already sold 6!!!! for a total of ยฃ332.50.
what a complete c*nt.
I too have bought one of these books, I got it from a member of this forum who sent it to me for cost, I wouldn't describe the book as being printed on textured card.
it is of a smooth texture CBL  ;D
The seller has already sold 6!!!! for a total of ยฃ332.50. what a complete c*nt. I too have bought one of these books, I got it from a member of this forum who sent it to me for cost, I wouldn't describe the book as being printed on textured card. it is of a smooth texture CBL ;D |
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CHARIDEE, by verbalkint on May 9, 2007 20:33:12 GMT 1, So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault.
who ever is selling them, good for you
So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault.
who ever is selling them, good for you
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:33:13 GMT 1, FYI anyone who wants one of these, contact me via PM and for ยฃ15 you can get one sent out. they're worth that but no more IMO.
p.s i'll give you the contact details of the gallery, i haven't stockpiled a load! just didn't want to post the info for any lurker/baggers to pinch and go and do what this p*ick did.
FYI anyone who wants one of these, contact me via PM and for ยฃ15 you can get one sent out. they're worth that but no more IMO. p.s i'll give you the contact details of the gallery, i haven't stockpiled a load! just didn't want to post the info for any lurker/baggers to pinch and go and do what this p*ick did. |
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:34:02 GMT 1, So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault. who ever is selling them, good for you
you do know these catalogues are to raise money for warchild?
So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault. who ever is selling them, good for you you do know these catalogues are to raise money for warchild? |
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CHARIDEE, by verbalkint on May 9, 2007 20:35:33 GMT 1, yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem?
yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem?
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:39:08 GMT 1, yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem?
nothing, it's the same as removing people's possesions from them when they die - they're not going to need them.
have some morals you idiot.
yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem? nothing, it's the same as removing people's possesions from them when they die - they're not going to need them. have some morals you idiot. |
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CHARIDEE, by dave313perry on May 9, 2007 20:41:25 GMT 1, sounds like a cheap way of making a living to me, get out and get a real job and stop sapping off the limited availability of specialist items of partivular interest to collectors, sorry no justifying making money direct from charities, somehow i feel they wouldnt have been bought if the demand wasnt so high, therefor stopping legit buyers with actual interest other than financial. oh how money makes the world go round, or stops it going round??? im not sure!!!
sounds like a cheap way of making a living to me, get out and get a real job and stop sapping off the limited availability of specialist items of partivular interest to collectors, sorry no justifying making money direct from charities, somehow i feel they wouldnt have been bought if the demand wasnt so high, therefor stopping legit buyers with actual interest other than financial. oh how money makes the world go round, or stops it going round??? im not sure!!!
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banksman
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CHARIDEE, by banksman on May 9, 2007 20:42:15 GMT 1, I agree with verbal.....
Are you trying to tell me if you ever sell any of your banksy prints your just going to ask for the COST PRICE?
Didn't think so............
I agree with verbal..... Are you trying to tell me if you ever sell any of your banksy prints your just going to ask for the COST PRICE? Didn't think so............ |
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 20:42:42 GMT 1, I'd say if he was willing to put a portion of the money he's made towards the original charity that would be fair enough - if not, then he's open to these criticisms purely because he's making money out of what is initally a charitable action
I'd say if he was willing to put a portion of the money he's made towards the original charity that would be fair enough - if not, then he's open to these criticisms purely because he's making money out of what is initally a charitable action
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CHARIDEE, by manchestermike on May 9, 2007 20:43:40 GMT 1, The difference banksman is the charity aspect
The difference banksman is the charity aspect
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johnerotten
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CHARIDEE, by johnerotten on May 9, 2007 20:43:55 GMT 1, i'm not a communist but IF that guy is also selling conert tickets, and other crap, then i can understand why art colletors would be pissed off.
if he cares about prints then i guess its ok but if he cares about prints then why is he buying 6 of the same one to turn around and offload.
its like buying shit at walmart and doubling the price and selling it on the street. i guess that's ok too? i dunno.
So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault. who ever is selling them, good for you
i'm not a communist but IF that guy is also selling conert tickets, and other crap, then i can understand why art colletors would be pissed off. if he cares about prints then i guess its ok but if he cares about prints then why is he buying 6 of the same one to turn around and offload. its like buying shit at walmart and doubling the price and selling it on the street. i guess that's ok too? i dunno. So what if he has sold 6 for a profit, i say good on him. There is nothing wrong with making money you bunch of effing communists!! and if someone is stupid enough to pay oveer the odds, then that is their fault. who ever is selling them, good for you |
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 20:44:03 GMT 1, absolutely nothing wrong with selling for a profit - but in this case we are talking about a charity okay? same rules do not apply in my eyes
absolutely nothing wrong with selling for a profit - but in this case we are talking about a charity okay? same rules do not apply in my eyes
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:45:41 GMT 1, I agree with verbal..... Are you trying to tell me if you ever sell any of your banksy prints your just going to ask for the COST PRICE? Didn't think so............
don't be so f*cking naiive. i'm not suggesting he sells them at cost or totally against him buying an extra and selling that if it pays for his own but to buy and sell SIX? do me a favour.
i'm no paragon of virtue but i know the difference between looking out for yourself and being a c*nt. do you?
I agree with verbal..... Are you trying to tell me if you ever sell any of your banksy prints your just going to ask for the COST PRICE? Didn't think so............ don't be so f*cking naiive. i'm not suggesting he sells them at cost or totally against him buying an extra and selling that if it pays for his own but to buy and sell SIX? do me a favour. i'm no paragon of virtue but i know the difference between looking out for yourself and being a c*nt. do you? |
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banksman
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CHARIDEE, by banksman on May 9, 2007 20:47:09 GMT 1, The money went to charity though!!!!!!!!
He saw a demand and bought more to supply that demand, if the demand wasn't there then the charity wouldn't have benefited from those extra 5 books that were bought......
The money went to charity though!!!!!!!!
He saw a demand and bought more to supply that demand, if the demand wasn't there then the charity wouldn't have benefited from those extra 5 books that were bought......
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 20:47:33 GMT 1, 'paragon of virtue' nice saying 
'paragon of virtue' nice saying |
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CHARIDEE, by verbalkint on May 9, 2007 20:47:53 GMT 1, yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem? nothing, it's the same as removing people's possesions from them when they die - they're not going to need them. have some morals you idiot.
Im sorry but your argument makes absolutely no sense at all, plus you know it doesnt so you are resorting to calling me an idiot, even though i proved you wrong.
What is wrong with buying 6 books, the money for which goes to charity and then selling those books for a profit? what is morally wrong about that? I honestly dont get it. And for your information i am self employed with 10 members of staff, so maybe i have been infected with an ultra-capitalist mentality, but i would like you to explain to me how this is comperable to selling a dead persons possesions? no actually you said 'removing', so how is this the same as 'removing a dead persons possesions from them'.
Im not trying to start an argument with you, and usually when i read your posts i find myself in agreement with you, but i just think that you are way off the mark calling someone a c*nt for making a bit of money. If he stole the catalogues then fair enough, but because of him warchild is ยฃ60 better off, because of you they are ยฃ10 better off, he has done more for the charity than you have, so what right do you have to judge him?
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yes, and when he bought them, the money went to warchild, now he is selling them on. by buying 6 he/she has made more of a contribution to charity than you have, so what is the problem? nothing, it's the same as removing people's possesions from them when they die - they're not going to need them. have some morals you idiot. Im sorry but your argument makes absolutely no sense at all, plus you know it doesnt so you are resorting to calling me an idiot, even though i proved you wrong. What is wrong with buying 6 books, the money for which goes to charity and then selling those books for a profit? what is morally wrong about that? I honestly dont get it. And for your information i am self employed with 10 members of staff, so maybe i have been infected with an ultra-capitalist mentality, but i would like you to explain to me how this is comperable to selling a dead persons possesions? no actually you said 'removing', so how is this the same as 'removing a dead persons possesions from them'. Im not trying to start an argument with you, and usually when i read your posts i find myself in agreement with you, but i just think that you are way off the mark calling someone a c*nt for making a bit of money. If he stole the catalogues then fair enough, but because of him warchild is ยฃ60 better off, because of you they are ยฃ10 better off, he has done more for the charity than you have, so what right do you have to judge him? answer |
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 20:48:35 GMT 1, The money went to charity though!!!!!!!! He saw a demand and bought more to supply that demand, if the demand wasn't there then the charity wouldn't have benefited from those extra 5 books that were bought......
the money he's made in addition has gone to charity?
The money went to charity though!!!!!!!! He saw a demand and bought more to supply that demand, if the demand wasn't there then the charity wouldn't have benefited from those extra 5 books that were bought...... the money he's made in addition has gone to charity? |
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CHARIDEE, by dave313perry on May 9, 2007 20:53:03 GMT 1, c*unt is abit harsh but cant agree with most comments made, just all about morals and decency, i live off a very small wage drive a massivley below average car but still manage to give ยฃ16 a month to charity, not an ego trip here but its just re-establishing in my own mind how f**ked up and self centred the world is. nothing personal to the seller, good luck battling this one out i see negative respects all over the place....
c*unt is abit harsh but cant agree with most comments made, just all about morals and decency, i live off a very small wage drive a massivley below average car but still manage to give ยฃ16 a month to charity, not an ego trip here but its just re-establishing in my own mind how f**ked up and self centred the world is. nothing personal to the seller, good luck battling this one out i see negative respects all over the place....
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 20:55:26 GMT 1, have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing
have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 20:57:44 GMT 1, you two sound like a couple of drug dealers. just because there is a demand for something doesn't mean you should supply it, if by doing so is considered immoral.
no it isn't illegal like grave robbing or indeed drug dealing but the ethics are the same. if he doesn't bulk buy then the demand goes to source, source being andipa and warchild. they may have only got ยฃ10 from me and ยฃ50 from him but he has got ยฃ332.50 from them.
you can argue with me all day long and i won't change my mind, he's up there with pimps and drug dealers in living off immoral earnings, maybe not to the same degree but the mindset is just the same.
i'd have a long hard look in the mirror pal.
you two sound like a couple of drug dealers. just because there is a demand for something doesn't mean you should supply it, if by doing so is considered immoral.
no it isn't illegal like grave robbing or indeed drug dealing but the ethics are the same. if he doesn't bulk buy then the demand goes to source, source being andipa and warchild. they may have only got ยฃ10 from me and ยฃ50 from him but he has got ยฃ332.50 from them.
you can argue with me all day long and i won't change my mind, he's up there with pimps and drug dealers in living off immoral earnings, maybe not to the same degree but the mindset is just the same.
i'd have a long hard look in the mirror pal.
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CHARIDEE, by stuey09 on May 9, 2007 20:59:35 GMT 1, have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing
Not the world Carlito. Lots of so called 3rd world countries have a wonderful way of living within a community and tend not to shaft each other. It's generally us capitalist pigs that operate under the self centered grab everything way of life. And we're supposed to be the most enlightened. 
have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing Not the world Carlito. Lots of so called 3rd world countries have a wonderful way of living within a community and tend not to shaft each other. It's generally us capitalist pigs that operate under the self centered grab everything way of life. And we're supposed to be the most enlightened. |
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CHARIDEE, by verbalkint on May 9, 2007 21:03:10 GMT 1, you are a total headcase!!
hold together a proper argument for christs sake!
How the hell has he taken ยฃ332.50 from warchild? they were selling the books for a tenner, so if he hadnt bought the books from them, then the people who got them from him would have. there were still the same number of books published. 1000 books = ยฃ10000. get it? it doesnt make the slightest bit of difference to the charity that he sold them on, can you not grasp that? are you a drooling moron or something! the charity would get the same no matter what, so you tell me, what is the problem.
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you are a total headcase!!
hold together a proper argument for christs sake!
How the hell has he taken ยฃ332.50 from warchild? they were selling the books for a tenner, so if he hadnt bought the books from them, then the people who got them from him would have. there were still the same number of books published. 1000 books = ยฃ10000. get it? it doesnt make the slightest bit of difference to the charity that he sold them on, can you not grasp that? are you a drooling moron or something! the charity would get the same no matter what, so you tell me, what is the problem.
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Strange Al
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CHARIDEE, by Strange Al on May 9, 2007 21:04:49 GMT 1, I don't really want to get involved in this argument, but would just like to point out that Andipa's intentions in selling these "books" for charity weren't wholly altruistic. The only reason Andipa were able to avoid a breach of Banksy's copyright with the book in the first place is because they presented it as a catalogue. The catalogue showed works actually for sale at their gallery during the exhibition. Once the exhibition was over, a continued sale of the catalogue is much harder to justify legally. Though sell the books for charity and you're less likely to get complaints from the Banksy camp. From a utilitarian perspective, Andipa's incentive for selling the book for charity is of no relevance. Ultimately, the charity benefits. But if we're taking a strict Kantian view of ethics and morality, then perhaps Andipa's intentions do make a difference.
Please don't think I'm seeking to defend someone's sale of these books on ebay for extortionate sums. Just an observation really.
I don't really want to get involved in this argument, but would just like to point out that Andipa's intentions in selling these "books" for charity weren't wholly altruistic. The only reason Andipa were able to avoid a breach of Banksy's copyright with the book in the first place is because they presented it as a catalogue. The catalogue showed works actually for sale at their gallery during the exhibition. Once the exhibition was over, a continued sale of the catalogue is much harder to justify legally. Though sell the books for charity and you're less likely to get complaints from the Banksy camp. From a utilitarian perspective, Andipa's incentive for selling the book for charity is of no relevance. Ultimately, the charity benefits. But if we're taking a strict Kantian view of ethics and morality, then perhaps Andipa's intentions do make a difference.
Please don't think I'm seeking to defend someone's sale of these books on ebay for extortionate sums. Just an observation really.
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CHARIDEE, by carlito on May 9, 2007 21:05:49 GMT 1, have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing Not the world Carlito. Lots of so called 3rd world countries have a wonderful way of living within a community and tend not to shaft each other. It's generally us capitalist pigs that operate under the self centered grab everything way of life. And we're supposed to be the most enlightened.
good point Stuey and it makes it all the more depressing a statement about the way we live
have to agree Dave living and working in London...I see everyday how self centred the world is...fecking depressing Not the world Carlito. Lots of so called 3rd world countries have a wonderful way of living within a community and tend not to shaft each other. It's generally us capitalist pigs that operate under the self centered grab everything way of life. And we're supposed to be the most enlightened. good point Stuey and it makes it all the more depressing a statement about the way we live |
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CHARIDEE, by tomhills1 on May 9, 2007 21:08:13 GMT 1, you are a total headcase!! hold together a proper argument for christs sake! How the hell has he taken ยฃ332.50 from warchild? they were selling the books for a tenner, so if he hadnt bought the books from them, then the people who got them from him would have. there were still the same number of books published. 1000 books = ยฃ10000. get it? it doesnt make the slightest bit of difference to the charity that he sold them on, can you not grasp that? are you a drooling moron or something! the charity would get the same no matter what, so you tell me, what is the problem. answer
the charity still gets the same i know, you are not listening. he has used the demand for a charitable product to line his own pockets. if these books went direct to his buyers on ebay the charity still gets the same but he doesn't profit. i'm saying someone who uses a charitble opportunity to further themselves is a c*nt.
do you disagree?
you are a total headcase!! hold together a proper argument for christs sake! How the hell has he taken ยฃ332.50 from warchild? they were selling the books for a tenner, so if he hadnt bought the books from them, then the people who got them from him would have. there were still the same number of books published. 1000 books = ยฃ10000. get it? it doesnt make the slightest bit of difference to the charity that he sold them on, can you not grasp that? are you a drooling moron or something! the charity would get the same no matter what, so you tell me, what is the problem. answer the charity still gets the same i know, you are not listening. he has used the demand for a charitable product to line his own pockets. if these books went direct to his buyers on ebay the charity still gets the same but he doesn't profit. i'm saying someone who uses a charitble opportunity to further themselves is a c*nt. do you disagree? |
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