Existencil
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by Existencil on Dec 2, 2008 0:42:52 GMT 1, Is street art turning into the McDonalds of the art world? Fast art at low cost without any staying power. There are the obvious exceptions, but this seems to be the general trend.
Is street art turning into the McDonalds of the art world? Fast art at low cost without any staying power. There are the obvious exceptions, but this seems to be the general trend.
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by giiiant on Dec 2, 2008 0:49:08 GMT 1, in a nutshell
in a nutshell
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Prescription Art
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by Prescription Art on Dec 2, 2008 0:57:43 GMT 1, Haring, Basquiat, Futura, Seen, Dondi etc seem to have stayed in people's consciousness rather well.
I see no reason why the same can't be said for many of the artists' whose work we enjoy today. I'd say that many of the political & celebrity based pieces are ephemeral, but even these will have their place in capturing a moment in time.
I do remember you saying something like 'graffiti is rubbish' not so long ago Stuey, so perhaps it's just not your cup of tea?
Haring, Basquiat, Futura, Seen, Dondi etc seem to have stayed in people's consciousness rather well.
I see no reason why the same can't be said for many of the artists' whose work we enjoy today. I'd say that many of the political & celebrity based pieces are ephemeral, but even these will have their place in capturing a moment in time.
I do remember you saying something like 'graffiti is rubbish' not so long ago Stuey, so perhaps it's just not your cup of tea?
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Existencil
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by Existencil on Dec 2, 2008 1:01:06 GMT 1, No, it is my cup of tea. I think urban art is amazing. I said that I thought the 'squiggly' stuff was rubbish - and I still think that.
I think the fast art question is valid given that every major release triggers a monumental bunfight. Contemporary art happenings, whether major or not, seem to provoke a more civilised chain of events.
No, it is my cup of tea. I think urban art is amazing. I said that I thought the 'squiggly' stuff was rubbish - and I still think that.
I think the fast art question is valid given that every major release triggers a monumental bunfight. Contemporary art happenings, whether major or not, seem to provoke a more civilised chain of events.
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 2, 2008 1:32:09 GMT 1, you raise a good point Stuey, and I've noticed a number of other threads on here discussing the solidarity of "street art" as a separate, individual art movement as well (maybe the financial crisis is causing people to question the inherent value of their "possessions"?). Anyways... In a way, street art has taken a route to popularity different than that of most other contemporary art of the last 50 years insomuch that it has commanded significant prices in the auction houses without similar interest from institutions and intellectual heavyweights in the art world. The explosion of speculative buying into street art is a representation of the larger picture of speculative buying around the globe. Street artists have been making art at a blistering speed to compete with what we "believe" to be high demand, but we need to question how much of that demand is self-perpetuating.
Good galleries actively track and manage the work that they sell to clients. They also happen to be selective as to who they sell their artist's work to, so that not too much of it reaches the auction houses too quickly. Street artists, and their respective galleries have been so blinded with greed that they have more or less failed to do this.
you raise a good point Stuey, and I've noticed a number of other threads on here discussing the solidarity of "street art" as a separate, individual art movement as well (maybe the financial crisis is causing people to question the inherent value of their "possessions"?). Anyways... In a way, street art has taken a route to popularity different than that of most other contemporary art of the last 50 years insomuch that it has commanded significant prices in the auction houses without similar interest from institutions and intellectual heavyweights in the art world. The explosion of speculative buying into street art is a representation of the larger picture of speculative buying around the globe. Street artists have been making art at a blistering speed to compete with what we "believe" to be high demand, but we need to question how much of that demand is self-perpetuating.
Good galleries actively track and manage the work that they sell to clients. They also happen to be selective as to who they sell their artist's work to, so that not too much of it reaches the auction houses too quickly. Street artists, and their respective galleries have been so blinded with greed that they have more or less failed to do this.
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by dynamixx on Dec 2, 2008 2:16:52 GMT 1, Greed has definitely made a good attempt at killing off UK street art, at least in its current form. Far too many online galleries, internet geeks profiteering, and Shoreditch past-up wannabes, the cull will start sooner than you think.
It happened in the 80s, and it'll happen again. Graffiti has always had an uncomfortable relationship with galleries and auction houses, and the establishment has tried to seduce it when the going's been good (2006-early2008). But watch them disappear when the lights go on, it's 3AM, you've lost your mates and you've only got a Kebab for company. By that I mean when the money dries up. The economic situation will only get worse before it gets better, and it can only be healthy for the scene. Street art (ffs what was ever wrong with graffiti) has always thrived under difficult times, and social deprivation. Just look at NY in the 80s, and South America to a certain extent now. In the UK at least, it could only ever stagnate over the opulent last few years we've seen, anyone motivated by money alone is never going to be original creatively.
Far too many speculators with an eye on short term returns, with no thought to the long term. This is the first art movement we have seen born in an internet age, and the instant gratification culture that it gave birth to, so the long term impact of our movement will be interesting to watch unfold.
Greed has definitely made a good attempt at killing off UK street art, at least in its current form. Far too many online galleries, internet geeks profiteering, and Shoreditch past-up wannabes, the cull will start sooner than you think.
It happened in the 80s, and it'll happen again. Graffiti has always had an uncomfortable relationship with galleries and auction houses, and the establishment has tried to seduce it when the going's been good (2006-early2008). But watch them disappear when the lights go on, it's 3AM, you've lost your mates and you've only got a Kebab for company. By that I mean when the money dries up. The economic situation will only get worse before it gets better, and it can only be healthy for the scene. Street art (ffs what was ever wrong with graffiti) has always thrived under difficult times, and social deprivation. Just look at NY in the 80s, and South America to a certain extent now. In the UK at least, it could only ever stagnate over the opulent last few years we've seen, anyone motivated by money alone is never going to be original creatively.
Far too many speculators with an eye on short term returns, with no thought to the long term. This is the first art movement we have seen born in an internet age, and the instant gratification culture that it gave birth to, so the long term impact of our movement will be interesting to watch unfold.
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by Sacked... on Dec 2, 2008 13:06:05 GMT 1, Well said Dynamixx !
Well said Dynamixx !
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Fast Food / Fast Art, by Avian Security on Dec 2, 2008 17:57:26 GMT 1, No, it is my cup of tea. I think urban art is amazing. I said that I thought the 'squiggly' stuff was rubbish - and I still think that.
I'd argue that the "squiggly stuff" (I take it you're referring to graffiti?) is more ingrained in our consciousness than the rest of it, and has much more staying power. Not everybody likes it, but everyone knows what it is, and almost everyone has an opinion on it.
No, it is my cup of tea. I think urban art is amazing. I said that I thought the 'squiggly' stuff was rubbish - and I still think that. I'd argue that the "squiggly stuff" (I take it you're referring to graffiti?) is more ingrained in our consciousness than the rest of it, and has much more staying power. Not everybody likes it, but everyone knows what it is, and almost everyone has an opinion on it. |
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