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please, don't buy this !, by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 23:19:40 GMT 1, zzzzz
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please, don't buy this !, by onemandown72 on Nov 17, 2008 23:23:55 GMT 1, All interesting posts, and I agree largely with what Darhart states. I also agree that artists have every right to earn a living, as Mike Marcus is making the point above. I also respect Jeff as an artist, and do believe he is an exception with regards how he views his street work. This is always a very thorny issue that evokes huge reactions whenever discussed on any street art forum. I do feel that once the art is placed in the public domain / on the street the artist rescinds all creative control & rights over it. The only area where they have control is being asked to authenticate the work for sale at a later date, which remains where they can clearly control the pricing. Adam Neate has just highlighted, in a very obvious way how the relationship has changed between street art, it's appeal & art's commodification. I love street art, and always have, yet I have always found it hard to understand the anger from street artists at their work being removed, when they are ultimately vandalising property. What may be a thing of beauty to the artist, may well be anything but to many others. When work is put up you are taking a risk and if it goes, so be it, if it get's buffed, so be it, it is the environment you choose to work in, and to shout the odds about this is hypoctical Whist this is an anethema to Jeff, it surely cannot surprise you. And I don't accept the argument that this will drive street artists away from the street, the artists that find their work taken for commericial reasons are ones that are successful. The art that get's left is by up and coming artists who have yet to make that leap, whilst this may be an uncomfortable truth it is just that. Adn I have nothing to do with the guy in question, (Dicey) and personally feel the attitude he has shown, and what he has written a disgrace
All interesting posts, and I agree largely with what Darhart states. I also agree that artists have every right to earn a living, as Mike Marcus is making the point above. I also respect Jeff as an artist, and do believe he is an exception with regards how he views his street work. This is always a very thorny issue that evokes huge reactions whenever discussed on any street art forum. I do feel that once the art is placed in the public domain / on the street the artist rescinds all creative control & rights over it. The only area where they have control is being asked to authenticate the work for sale at a later date, which remains where they can clearly control the pricing. Adam Neate has just highlighted, in a very obvious way how the relationship has changed between street art, it's appeal & art's commodification. I love street art, and always have, yet I have always found it hard to understand the anger from street artists at their work being removed, when they are ultimately vandalising property. What may be a thing of beauty to the artist, may well be anything but to many others. When work is put up you are taking a risk and if it goes, so be it, if it get's buffed, so be it, it is the environment you choose to work in, and to shout the odds about this is hypoctical Whist this is an anethema to Jeff, it surely cannot surprise you. And I don't accept the argument that this will drive street artists away from the street, the artists that find their work taken for commericial reasons are ones that are successful. The art that get's left is by up and coming artists who have yet to make that leap, whilst this may be an uncomfortable truth it is just that. Adn I have nothing to do with the guy in question, (Dicey) and personally feel the attitude he has shown, and what he has written a disgrace
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Jef Aerosol
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 18, 2008 0:23:23 GMT 1, agreed on all points, onemandown ! interesting post. And I hope I'll never be driven away from the street ! one little thing : I'm not angry at my work being vandalised and have never been (it's one of the "rules") : I'm angry when someone carefully removes it, saying he loves it, in order to make money with it ! (it's a different thing) ... but I guess I'm repeating myself !
agreed on all points, onemandown ! interesting post. And I hope I'll never be driven away from the street ! one little thing : I'm not angry at my work being vandalised and have never been (it's one of the "rules") : I'm angry when someone carefully removes it, saying he loves it, in order to make money with it ! (it's a different thing) ... but I guess I'm repeating myself !
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bonz
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please, don't buy this !, by bonz on Nov 19, 2008 19:58:33 GMT 1, Once you have the piece up on the street I would take a sharp razor to it a few times, people can still knick it but it will come off in 3 or 4 peices instead of as a whole, usually stops them.
Once you have the piece up on the street I would take a sharp razor to it a few times, people can still knick it but it will come off in 3 or 4 peices instead of as a whole, usually stops them.
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stickee
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please, don't buy this !, by stickee on Nov 19, 2008 20:26:20 GMT 1, Would be tricky to cut a paster while its soaking wet especially how thin Jef's pasters are (no I havn't stolen any I just know what he makes them from)
Would be tricky to cut a paster while its soaking wet especially how thin Jef's pasters are (no I havn't stolen any I just know what he makes them from)
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romanywg
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please, don't buy this !, by romanywg on Nov 19, 2008 20:55:07 GMT 1, Paste it up, cut it, then paste over the top.
Paste it up, cut it, then paste over the top.
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please, don't buy this !, by hero on Nov 19, 2008 21:04:03 GMT 1, i think ive had an idea
what if jef buys it, gets it as a collection and then pastes his whole house ;D
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i think ive had an idea
what if jef buys it, gets it as a collection and then pastes his whole house ;D
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flypitcher
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please, don't buy this !, by flypitcher on Nov 20, 2008 0:29:35 GMT 1, Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc. Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc. Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
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Avian Security
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please, don't buy this !, by Avian Security on Nov 20, 2008 2:07:06 GMT 1, Paint directly onto to the wall if you don't want it nicked. Though I really can't understand all the fuss. As far as I can see the art was given to the public in a public place, if a member of said public wants to take it and do his will then that's his choice. You have no grounds for complaint.
Paint directly onto to the wall if you don't want it nicked. Though I really can't understand all the fuss. As far as I can see the art was given to the public in a public place, if a member of said public wants to take it and do his will then that's his choice. You have no grounds for complaint.
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Heavyconsumer
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please, don't buy this !, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 20, 2008 2:41:48 GMT 1, Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen.
How about selling a few prints to pay the bills and fund the street work which is their passion?
If you'd read what Jef posted above you will see that it clearly was NOT "always ALL about money and marketing" for him.
I'm sure the vast majority of street artists are done a misjustice by your post. How much do you think "most of street artists" can make from releasing a few editions per year, even if they go down well and do sell out? I disagree with most of your post very strongly.
Street artists like El CHivo deserve to be on the street as do all the other taggers who are not profiting from putting things on walls .With the exception of El Chivo most of street artists are just like corporate companies using the streets to market their next print. showing or whatever,new book etc.Banksy even uses media companies now to advertise because he has so much money. Nothing wrong with that but you can't have it both ways Just don't start whinging when someone else decides to make money as well by flogging something from the street. It's all about money and marketing. Always was ,is and will be. Amen. How about selling a few prints to pay the bills and fund the street work which is their passion? If you'd read what Jef posted above you will see that it clearly was NOT "always ALL about money and marketing" for him. I'm sure the vast majority of street artists are done a misjustice by your post. How much do you think "most of street artists" can make from releasing a few editions per year, even if they go down well and do sell out? I disagree with most of your post very strongly.
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