Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by arcam on Nov 14, 2008 22:42:48 GMT 1, A fake I take it?
A fake I take it?
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please, don't buy this !, by wiz on Nov 14, 2008 22:43:19 GMT 1, Why Jeff?
Why Jeff?
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Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 14, 2008 22:45:04 GMT 1, not a fake, but a street piece carefully peeled off the wall and stuck on a piece of paper and now for sale on ebay ! Hope that person doesn't say he or she likes street art !
this is what he writes on the ebay page : "ALL GRAFFITI PIECES SOLD BY GRAFFITI-RECLAMATION ARE BY THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS AND COME STRAIGHT FROM THE WALLS OF THE STREETS. ALL PIECES ARE CAREFULLY REMOUNTED TO SAVE THEM FROM BEING DESTROYED BY LOCAL COUNCILS OR VANDALS."
ridiculous !
not a fake, but a street piece carefully peeled off the wall and stuck on a piece of paper and now for sale on ebay ! Hope that person doesn't say he or she likes street art !
this is what he writes on the ebay page : "ALL GRAFFITI PIECES SOLD BY GRAFFITI-RECLAMATION ARE BY THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS AND COME STRAIGHT FROM THE WALLS OF THE STREETS. ALL PIECES ARE CAREFULLY REMOUNTED TO SAVE THEM FROM BEING DESTROYED BY LOCAL COUNCILS OR VANDALS."
ridiculous !
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Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 14, 2008 22:49:19 GMT 1, I haven't got in touch with the seller, I don't even want to... at the same time, I don't think there's any copyright or fake issue here : once pasted up on the street, the piece doesn't belong to me any longer... I just don't understand how someone can do such a thing just to make a few pounds... If that guy likes street art, he should just go paste it up back where it was...
and who would want a half torn paste up on a white piece of paper ? to me, it just doesn't look nice at all !
I haven't got in touch with the seller, I don't even want to... at the same time, I don't think there's any copyright or fake issue here : once pasted up on the street, the piece doesn't belong to me any longer... I just don't understand how someone can do such a thing just to make a few pounds... If that guy likes street art, he should just go paste it up back where it was...
and who would want a half torn paste up on a white piece of paper ? to me, it just doesn't look nice at all !
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please, don't buy this !, by arcam on Nov 14, 2008 22:51:47 GMT 1, That sucks. I'm surprised they managed to peel it off, I'd have thought it'd rip.
That sucks. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I'm surprised they managed to peel it off, I'd have thought it'd rip.
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Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 14, 2008 22:53:18 GMT 1, I don't know how he managed to take it off without destroying it.
I don't know how he managed to take it off without destroying it.
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dmandpenfold
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please, don't buy this !, by dmandpenfold on Nov 14, 2008 23:05:09 GMT 1, why dont you buy it and burn it
why dont you buy it and burn it
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please, don't buy this !, by grantb on Nov 14, 2008 23:05:00 GMT 1, nice piece though dont blame him for peeling it off but then selling it. waste man.
nice piece though dont blame him for peeling it off but then selling it. waste man.
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classy
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please, don't buy this !, by classy on Nov 14, 2008 23:08:10 GMT 1, at the same time, I don't think there's any copyright or fake issue here : once pasted up on the street, the piece doesn't belong to me any longer...
Yeah, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. Don't forget, what YOU do is illegal. They call it vandalism on this side of the pond.
at the same time, I don't think there's any copyright or fake issue here : once pasted up on the street, the piece doesn't belong to me any longer...
Yeah, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. Don't forget, what YOU do is illegal. They call it vandalism on this side of the pond.
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please, don't buy this !, by hero on Nov 14, 2008 23:10:03 GMT 1, if it was me i would take it as a compliment kind of-if i were you i would sell another one-spray paint on paper for like ยฃ1 less-under sell him :^P
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if it was me i would take it as a compliment kind of-if i were you i would sell another one-spray paint on paper for like ยฃ1 less-under sell him :^P
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Gurn
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please, don't buy this !, by Gurn on Nov 14, 2008 23:32:54 GMT 1, It's just my opinion but I don't think that any true street art fan would a)Peel a piece meant for the enjoyment of everyone off of a wall.b) Sell it or c) buy it.........This is pure greed and people buying this sort of thing just encourage it.Sure,it can be said that the artist no longer owns this piece but I would never have a street piece on my wall knowing that the artist is so strongly against it..Respect to Jef for his stand on this...I actually think you should buy it Jef and pick it up in person.
It's just my opinion but I don't think that any true street art fan would a)Peel a piece meant for the enjoyment of everyone off of a wall.b) Sell it or c) buy it.........This is pure greed and people buying this sort of thing just encourage it.Sure,it can be said that the artist no longer owns this piece but I would never have a street piece on my wall knowing that the artist is so strongly against it..Respect to Jef for his stand on this...I actually think you should buy it Jef and pick it up in person.
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please, don't buy this !, by hero on Nov 14, 2008 23:35:42 GMT 1, well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) H
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Gurn
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please, don't buy this !, by Gurn on Nov 14, 2008 23:39:32 GMT 1, well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) H
wrong on all accounts...IMO ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) H wrong on all accounts...IMO ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png)
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Ad Hoc Art
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March 2008
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please, don't buy this !, by Ad Hoc Art on Nov 14, 2008 23:48:09 GMT 1, I'll never understand why people do this. Such a shame.
Andrew
I'll never understand why people do this. Such a shame.
Andrew
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Ged
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February 2008
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please, don't buy this !, by Ged on Nov 15, 2008 0:12:10 GMT 1, well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) H
I can see where you're coming from but it being painted over or washed off or whatever is the natural progression of street work, having it removed to make a quick buck isn't which is what pisses artists off so much when it happens.
well...i think its better than it getting paitned over, if someone gets an origianal they are really happy with out of it- its only a good thing ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) H I can see where you're coming from but it being painted over or washed off or whatever is the natural progression of street work, having it removed to make a quick buck isn't which is what pisses artists off so much when it happens.
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Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 15, 2008 0:22:00 GMT 1, don't get me wrong : a street piece DOES change with time, of course. It can be buffed, torn, ripped, painted over, weathered and altered by wind, rain and sun... It can even be destroyed or cleaned off only a few hours after you've painted or pasted it : I have no problem with that, on the contrary, I like the way those pieces live their life. I enjoy that natural progression. peeling a piece off a wall to make money isn't natural progression at all ! I believe someone who does such a thing can never pretend he likes street art. As for the usual argument : "you should be happy and take it as a compliment, etc..." No way !
don't get me wrong : a street piece DOES change with time, of course. It can be buffed, torn, ripped, painted over, weathered and altered by wind, rain and sun... It can even be destroyed or cleaned off only a few hours after you've painted or pasted it : I have no problem with that, on the contrary, I like the way those pieces live their life. I enjoy that natural progression. peeling a piece off a wall to make money isn't natural progression at all ! I believe someone who does such a thing can never pretend he likes street art. As for the usual argument : "you should be happy and take it as a compliment, etc..." No way !
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Jef Aerosol
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 15, 2008 0:24:52 GMT 1, [quote author=gurn board=general thread=28444 post=414581 I actually think you should buy it Jef and pick it up in person.[/quote]
Giving money to that guy ? Buying my own stuff ? I don't think I can do such a thing... I think I'll just send him an email with a link to this thread, that's all ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
[quote author=gurn board=general thread=28444 post=414581 I actually think you should buy it Jef and pick it up in person.[/quote] Giving money to that guy ? Buying my own stuff ? I don't think I can do such a thing... I think I'll just send him an email with a link to this thread, that's all ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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kel
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please, don't buy this !, by kel on Nov 15, 2008 0:44:32 GMT 1, For me if it was ramped up on the street thats where it should stay. Would it not be better for us all to put ridiculas high bids in. Then at the end he will receive a very large end of sale fee. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
For me if it was ramped up on the street thats where it should stay. Would it not be better for us all to put ridiculas high bids in. Then at the end he will receive a very large end of sale fee. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Jef Aerosol
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 15, 2008 0:52:02 GMT 1, I've just emailed him a link to this very thread, without any comment... maybe if he reads this, he'll feel guilty and paste the piece back where it used to be ! Now, THAT would be a good deed ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
I've just emailed him a link to this very thread, without any comment... maybe if he reads this, he'll feel guilty and paste the piece back where it used to be ! Now, THAT would be a good deed ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Heavyconsumer
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please, don't buy this !, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 15, 2008 1:02:15 GMT 1, "ALL GRAFFITI PIECES SOLD BY GRAFFITI-RECLAMATION ARE BY THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS AND COME STRAIGHT FROM THE WALLS OF THE STREETS. ALL PIECES ARE CAREFULLY REMOUNTED TO SAVE THEM FROM BEING DESTROYED BY LOCAL COUNCILS OR VANDALS."
Really doesn't give the impression he cares to much for leaving street art in the street. More like a cheeky scheister who'd fo anything for an easy buck! Pleanty of those on here too! In fact he's probably a member!
"ALL GRAFFITI PIECES SOLD BY GRAFFITI-RECLAMATION ARE BY THE ORIGINAL ARTISTS AND COME STRAIGHT FROM THE WALLS OF THE STREETS. ALL PIECES ARE CAREFULLY REMOUNTED TO SAVE THEM FROM BEING DESTROYED BY LOCAL COUNCILS OR VANDALS."
Really doesn't give the impression he cares to much for leaving street art in the street. More like a cheeky scheister who'd fo anything for an easy buck! Pleanty of those on here too! In fact he's probably a member!
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Heavyconsumer
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please, don't buy this !, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 15, 2008 1:02:42 GMT 1, ..... or a lurker.
..... or a lurker.
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Ged
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please, don't buy this !, by Ged on Nov 15, 2008 1:03:05 GMT 1, I've just emailed him a link to this very thread, without any comment... maybe if he reads this, he'll feel guilty and paste the piece back where it used to be ! Now, THAT would be a good deed ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
He'll probably state in his listing that he's made contact with the artist which endorses this piece as genuine ;D
But, yeh, would be cool if he put it back where it belongs. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
I've just emailed him a link to this very thread, without any comment... maybe if he reads this, he'll feel guilty and paste the piece back where it used to be ! Now, THAT would be a good deed ! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) He'll probably state in his listing that he's made contact with the artist which endorses this piece as genuine ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) ;D But, yeh, would be cool if he put it back where it belongs. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Jef Aerosol
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September 2007
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please, don't buy this !, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 15, 2008 1:06:09 GMT 1, I've just received a message on flickr, here it is :
""Hi, saw your thread about the ebay auction, it sounds like it is the same guy that is removing a lot of street art here in London at the moment. His name is DICY.
More info here... flickr.com/photos/11928372@N04/2891167484/
""
(copy and paste the whole url as the @ prevents from just clicking)
I've just received a message on flickr, here it is : ""Hi, saw your thread about the ebay auction, it sounds like it is the same guy that is removing a lot of street art here in London at the moment. His name is DICY. More info here... flickr.com/photos/11928372@N04/2891167484/"" (copy and paste the whole url as the @ prevents from just clicking)
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please, don't buy this !, by romanywg on Nov 15, 2008 1:11:42 GMT 1, His name is actually Dicey and his phone number is 07535670581 he would love you to call him anytime of the day or night, honest.
His name is actually Dicey and his phone number is 07535670581 he would love you to call him anytime of the day or night, honest.
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Blind Angle
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please, don't buy this !, by Blind Angle on Nov 15, 2008 2:20:47 GMT 1, Completely with you Jef! Street work belongs on the streets for everybody to enjoy and the disintegration and decay is half the beauty.
Ragnar
Completely with you Jef! Street work belongs on the streets for everybody to enjoy and the disintegration and decay is half the beauty.
Ragnar
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Mike Marcus
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please, don't buy this !, by Mike Marcus on Nov 15, 2008 2:27:27 GMT 1, Also his email address is editor@thecreativetimes.co.uk and his "real name" is Bird.
Collectors should note that when artists put work on the street we do so with the expectation that it wont last very long. With this in mind we use cheap, bad quality materials which have short life expectancies. Newsprint paper for instance will become yellow and brittle within weeks or months.
However, when we prepare work for gallery exhibition or sale, we do so using archival materials and acid free supports which are expected to be stable for decades or even centuries.
Because of this, "reclaimed work" is not a cheap way to collect art. Its a waste of money.
Also his email address is editor@thecreativetimes.co.uk and his "real name" is Bird.
Collectors should note that when artists put work on the street we do so with the expectation that it wont last very long. With this in mind we use cheap, bad quality materials which have short life expectancies. Newsprint paper for instance will become yellow and brittle within weeks or months.
However, when we prepare work for gallery exhibition or sale, we do so using archival materials and acid free supports which are expected to be stable for decades or even centuries.
Because of this, "reclaimed work" is not a cheap way to collect art. Its a waste of money.
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please, don't buy this !, by tomjedimaster on Nov 15, 2008 2:30:51 GMT 1, i liked it when that piece was up and was upset when it was gone. the one on brick lane was also torn down (after a bit of help from the elements).
i liked it when that piece was up and was upset when it was gone. the one on brick lane was also torn down (after a bit of help from the elements).
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please, don't buy this !, by tomjedimaster on Nov 15, 2008 2:41:03 GMT 1, However, when we prepare work for gallery exhibition or sale, we do so using archival materials and acid free supports which are expected to be stable for decades or even centuries.
does that mean that adam neate uses archival carboard ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
However, when we prepare work for gallery exhibition or sale, we do so using archival materials and acid free supports which are expected to be stable for decades or even centuries. does that mean that adam neate uses archival carboard ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
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