linkd95
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by linkd95 on Oct 28, 2008 20:53:43 GMT 1, Lets see your opinion 
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Macdeee
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Macdeee on Oct 28, 2008 20:56:19 GMT 1, Free drinks... Catching up with friends... Why not?
Free drinks... Catching up with friends... Why not?
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Guest on Oct 28, 2008 20:58:05 GMT 1, polls? or no polls?
polls? or no polls?
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linkd95
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by linkd95 on Oct 28, 2008 20:59:17 GMT 1, Free drinks... Catching up with friends... Why not?
Free drinks... Catching up with friends... Why not? Im talking in terms of buying, because on a lot of private views (e.g Elms) stuff is sold. |
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by barry cilit on Oct 28, 2008 20:59:35 GMT 1, Daddy or Chips?
Daddy or Chips?
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linkd95
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by linkd95 on Oct 28, 2008 21:07:12 GMT 1, Mixed feelings becasue even if someone does spend big money at a gallery the piece is still going to sell anyway (depending which artist) but if you were a gallery you would want the BIG SPENDERS buying as much as you can and if theres a couple of pieces left on the actual show then there might be someone who wants a piece but not sure about it then they might have a bit of thinking to do but if its a big artist and they have the option to buy a piece then they would probably buy it.
Mixed feelings becasue even if someone does spend big money at a gallery the piece is still going to sell anyway (depending which artist) but if you were a gallery you would want the BIG SPENDERS buying as much as you can and if theres a couple of pieces left on the actual show then there might be someone who wants a piece but not sure about it then they might have a bit of thinking to do but if its a big artist and they have the option to buy a piece then they would probably buy it.
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G-Man
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by G-Man on Oct 28, 2008 21:19:54 GMT 1, Oh Yeah baby
Sometimes ppl just need to spend and drink beer
Oh Yeah baby
Sometimes ppl just need to spend and drink beer
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Macdeee
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Macdeee on Oct 28, 2008 21:27:46 GMT 1, confusing pole.
confusing pole.
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by giiiant on Oct 28, 2008 21:47:34 GMT 1, depends how the list was made
depends how the list was made
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linkd95
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by linkd95 on Oct 28, 2008 22:55:51 GMT 1, thats true G so its kinda mixed feelings for u then?
thats true G so its kinda mixed feelings for u then?
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Deleted on Oct 28, 2008 23:24:00 GMT 1, Opening nights are great ;D But private openings before the public opening night are just wrong  I would be pretty pissed off to have saved up money to buy a piece at a show, and to get there on the opening night only find find it had already been sold the night before 
i used to think this way and have queued and missed out before.
however when you spend lots of money with a particular artist or gallery i reckon its good that they give you first refusal on stuff.
i've also been to private views where everything has been sold before the doors have opened, that was frustrating.
Opening nights are great ;D But private openings before the public opening night are just wrong I would be pretty pissed off to have saved up money to buy a piece at a show, and to get there on the opening night only find find it had already been sold the night before i used to think this way and have queued and missed out before. however when you spend lots of money with a particular artist or gallery i reckon its good that they give you first refusal on stuff. i've also been to private views where everything has been sold before the doors have opened, that was frustrating. |
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Daniel Silk on Oct 28, 2008 23:29:20 GMT 1, Opening nights are great ;D But private openings before the public opening night are just wrong I would be pretty pissed off to have saved up money to buy a piece at a show, and to get there on the opening night only find find it had already been sold the night before i used to think this way and have queued and missed out before. however when you spend lots of money with a particular artist or gallery i reckon its good that they give you first refusal on stuff. i've also been to private views where everything has been sold before the doors have opened, that was frustrating.
Yeah, I guess if you have the money and your one of the chosen few its a very nice system ;D
Opening nights are great ;D But private openings before the public opening night are just wrong I would be pretty pissed off to have saved up money to buy a piece at a show, and to get there on the opening night only find find it had already been sold the night before i used to think this way and have queued and missed out before. however when you spend lots of money with a particular artist or gallery i reckon its good that they give you first refusal on stuff. i've also been to private views where everything has been sold before the doors have opened, that was frustrating. Yeah, I guess if you have the money and your one of the chosen few its a very nice system ;D |
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doyle
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by doyle on Oct 29, 2008 12:30:42 GMT 1, sorry but i'm a firm believer in first come first served.there should not be private viewings whereby some are allowed to buy before the general public.i would like to see a gallery break from the norm and open a show with no private purchasing prior to public opening.
sorry but i'm a firm believer in first come first served.there should not be private viewings whereby some are allowed to buy before the general public.i would like to see a gallery break from the norm and open a show with no private purchasing prior to public opening.
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by wiz on Oct 29, 2008 12:34:04 GMT 1, So if you had an invitation to attend a viewing a few days before the show opened you would refuse to accept?.
So if you had an invitation to attend a viewing a few days before the show opened you would refuse to accept?.
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dmandpenfold
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 29, 2008 12:45:18 GMT 1, i think that if you spend money with a gallery consistently you probably deserve some special treatment from them, it's like a loyalty bonus. Some places i get to preview others i don't but it usually goes on buying history.
Let's turn it around...you've spent plenty of money in the past on a particular artist with gallery x maybe to the tune of 10's or 100's of thousands.
Gallery x then anounces a show which is going to be quite popular and will release some originals, ltd editions etc.
You decide to go but there is a queue round the block full of spotty herberts who have never spent a dime at the gallery and then proceed to buy everything up so they can flog it on ebay
you'd probably be pissed off that you didnt get an option to buy up front for your loyal patronage of gallery x over the years
i think that if you spend money with a gallery consistently you probably deserve some special treatment from them, it's like a loyalty bonus. Some places i get to preview others i don't but it usually goes on buying history.
Let's turn it around...you've spent plenty of money in the past on a particular artist with gallery x maybe to the tune of 10's or 100's of thousands.
Gallery x then anounces a show which is going to be quite popular and will release some originals, ltd editions etc.
You decide to go but there is a queue round the block full of spotty herberts who have never spent a dime at the gallery and then proceed to buy everything up so they can flog it on ebay
you'd probably be pissed off that you didnt get an option to buy up front for your loyal patronage of gallery x over the years
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by sfdoddsy on Oct 29, 2008 13:18:37 GMT 1, I agree with dmanpenfold. Private views are a reward for patronage, often before the artist became preview worthy.
I agree with dmanpenfold. Private views are a reward for patronage, often before the artist became preview worthy.
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romanywg
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by romanywg on Oct 29, 2008 13:30:12 GMT 1, Private views are for trusted clients/patrons. If you want a piece from a particular show then you just have to have bought something in the past. It's like being pissed off because you can't get into a football match when your team are suddenly playing Real Madrid and all the tickets are already sold to Season Ticket Holders. That's life, that's how it works.
Private views are for trusted clients/patrons. If you want a piece from a particular show then you just have to have bought something in the past. It's like being pissed off because you can't get into a football match when your team are suddenly playing Real Madrid and all the tickets are already sold to Season Ticket Holders. That's life, that's how it works.
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by Guy Denning on Oct 29, 2008 14:03:18 GMT 1, Opening nights to exhibitions, YES - Private views to exhibitions, NO. Just my opinion of course.
Opening nights to exhibitions, YES - Private views to exhibitions, NO. Just my opinion of course.
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doyle
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by doyle on Oct 30, 2008 0:40:25 GMT 1, yes money talks by the looks of it. why can't trusted patrons and clients alike meet in the same environment as these 'spotty herberts'. art is for everyone and you do with it what you like.
yes money talks by the looks of it. why can't trusted patrons and clients alike meet in the same environment as these 'spotty herberts'. art is for everyone and you do with it what you like.
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by jamesreeve5 on Oct 30, 2008 2:01:04 GMT 1, depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no...
I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties.
depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no...
I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties.
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by wiz on Oct 30, 2008 2:04:42 GMT 1, Well i would if i were ever to be invited to one that is. 
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dmandpenfold
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 30, 2008 10:13:10 GMT 1, yes money talks by the looks of it. why can't trusted patrons and clients alike meet in the same environment as these 'spotty herberts'. art is for everyone and you do with it what you like.
sad fact of life
yes money talks by the looks of it. why can't trusted patrons and clients alike meet in the same environment as these 'spotty herberts'. art is for everyone and you do with it what you like. sad fact of life |
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by manchestermike on Oct 30, 2008 10:26:32 GMT 1, depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no... I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties.
What if Bam Margera and Whojimaflip Madden are very good customers though? What if they have bought an artists work from the start? Supported their career when no one else did? Supported your gallery and artists from an early time?
Do you then tell them to wait in the queue with everyone else just because an artist has made it big / popular?
There are lots of artists that even if I could afford I'd have to wait for work by. Take Adam Neate for example, if I could afford a gallery piece I'd love one, but I know that I'd have to wait. He's got a years longs waiting list and that is why his shows are sold out on opening. If I want something I have to get on the list. I've absolutely no issue with that.
On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he.
depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no... I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties. What if Bam Margera and Whojimaflip Madden are very good customers though? What if they have bought an artists work from the start? Supported their career when no one else did? Supported your gallery and artists from an early time? Do you then tell them to wait in the queue with everyone else just because an artist has made it big / popular? There are lots of artists that even if I could afford I'd have to wait for work by. Take Adam Neate for example, if I could afford a gallery piece I'd love one, but I know that I'd have to wait. He's got a years longs waiting list and that is why his shows are sold out on opening. If I want something I have to get on the list. I've absolutely no issue with that. On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he. |
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by linkd95 on Oct 30, 2008 17:19:10 GMT 1, depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no... I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties. What if Bam Margera and Whojimaflip Madden are very good customers though? What if they have bought an artists work from the start? Supported their career when no one else did? Supported your gallery and artists from an early time? Do you then tell them to wait in the queue with everyone else just because an artist has made it big / popular? There are lots of artists that even if I could afford I'd have to wait for work by. Take Adam Neate for example, if I could afford a gallery piece I'd love one, but I know that I'd have to wait. He's got a years longs waiting list and that is why his shows are sold out on opening. If I want something I have to get on the list. I've absolutely no issue with that. On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he.
depends on how private they are... if you want to come in the night before and can call and get on the guestlist thats fine. But if you are standing outside in a big line and watching a**holes like Bam Margera and Benji Madden skip ahead of the rest of you ala Mr. Fakewash, then no... I tell you who throws the best opening nights... Peres Projects... great after parties. What if Bam Margera and Whojimaflip Madden are very good customers though? What if they have bought an artists work from the start? Supported their career when no one else did? Supported your gallery and artists from an early time? Do you then tell them to wait in the queue with everyone else just because an artist has made it big / popular? There are lots of artists that even if I could afford I'd have to wait for work by. Take Adam Neate for example, if I could afford a gallery piece I'd love one, but I know that I'd have to wait. He's got a years longs waiting list and that is why his shows are sold out on opening. If I want something I have to get on the list. I've absolutely no issue with that. On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he. Yes but i would be really angry if that happened a faile show was coming up i had saved about ยฃ30,000 to spend on a nice Faile and it sold out on the private view. If people are invited to a private view then there should only be 30% of pieces available and about 70% left for the opening night. |
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by graeme501 on Oct 30, 2008 17:28:17 GMT 1, sometimes its not who has the most money, but who will provide a good home for highly desirable work, instead of running to an auction house at the 1st chance
by selling to trusted people, the gallery makes sure that he is protecting the artists interest by not having a substantial amount of work at auctions, if ur a big fan of a certain artist, register your interest with their primary dealer and show them the reasons why they should sell to you, and not just the person that waited the longest
sometimes its not who has the most money, but who will provide a good home for highly desirable work, instead of running to an auction house at the 1st chance
by selling to trusted people, the gallery makes sure that he is protecting the artists interest by not having a substantial amount of work at auctions, if ur a big fan of a certain artist, register your interest with their primary dealer and show them the reasons why they should sell to you, and not just the person that waited the longest
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PRIVATE VIEWS Or NO PRIVATE VIEWS?, by jamesreeve5 on Oct 30, 2008 17:44:23 GMT 1, On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he.
Come on! You either are taking the piss or you have never been to a non-street art gallery before! Laz has some of the LEAST loyal customers, that is why you see so many Banksys, Failes, and whatever other street-du-jours clogging up the second-rate auction houses only months after the paint has dried on the canvas. Laz just wants the money and he wants it as soon as possible, just like his customers! You want to see LOYAL customers, look at somewhere like Peter Kilchmann Gallery who represents some of the most institutionally respected artists out there: the kind of artists you see more in museums than on the auction block.
On the other hand private views... again I can't see why anyone has a problem with private views. Take the Faile show coming up. I imagine most of it will be sold on private view. Laz has spent many years building up a customer base who are loyal and who he trusts. Is he going to turn round and refuse to sell to these people so he can sell to someone who may stick the work in an auction house a few months later? I'd imagine not. Nor should he. Come on! You either are taking the piss or you have never been to a non-street art gallery before! Laz has some of the LEAST loyal customers, that is why you see so many Banksys, Failes, and whatever other street-du-jours clogging up the second-rate auction houses only months after the paint has dried on the canvas. Laz just wants the money and he wants it as soon as possible, just like his customers! You want to see LOYAL customers, look at somewhere like Peter Kilchmann Gallery who represents some of the most institutionally respected artists out there: the kind of artists you see more in museums than on the auction block. |
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I would be pretty pissed off to have saved up money to buy a piece at a show, and to get there on the opening night only find find it had already been sold the night before 
