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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by dogant on Sept 21, 2008 17:41:46 GMT 1, If anyone wants to pretend to be David Sewell - this could be an interesting program (well, one of three programs) to watch.
The first documentary looks at the link between art and money.
A must watch for all flippers - well, I'm watching it!
Public service over.....
If anyone wants to pretend to be David Sewell - this could be an interesting program (well, one of three programs) to watch.
The first documentary looks at the link between art and money.
A must watch for all flippers - well, I'm watching it!
Public service over.....
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Richard
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Richard on Sept 21, 2008 17:50:02 GMT 1, In the first film in Channel 4's Art and Money season, art critic Robert Hughes examines the influence of Da Vinci's painting and explores the changes in museums, production and consumption of art over the last 50 years. He talks to world famous artists and influential museum directors to assess how the rise of the collector has affected the value of art works.
Looks like it could be interesting - and its 90 mins long.
In the first film in Channel 4's Art and Money season, art critic Robert Hughes examines the influence of Da Vinci's painting and explores the changes in museums, production and consumption of art over the last 50 years. He talks to world famous artists and influential museum directors to assess how the rise of the collector has affected the value of art works.
Looks like it could be interesting - and its 90 mins long.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by graffoto on Sept 21, 2008 18:55:07 GMT 1, goddamn forgot - but thank goodness for C4 + 1 just stuck it in the sky plus - thanks for the reminder
goddamn forgot - but thank goodness for C4 + 1 just stuck it in the sky plus - thanks for the reminder
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by dogant on Sept 21, 2008 19:06:58 GMT 1, 1/2 hour in and really worth watching....tune in the C4 + 1 to get a real understanding of how the contemporary art market started to become intrinsicly linked to money.
1/2 hour in and really worth watching....tune in the C4 + 1 to get a real understanding of how the contemporary art market started to become intrinsicly linked to money.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by graeme501 on Sept 21, 2008 19:13:21 GMT 1, yeah its quite good
yeah its quite good
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 19:59:55 GMT 1, Thank you Dogant for the post. Very interesting watching. Thought Mugrabe came across as a fool but then hes got all the Warhols so what do i know.
Thank you Dogant for the post. Very interesting watching. Thought Mugrabe came across as a fool but then hes got all the Warhols so what do i know.
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Simococo
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Simococo on Sept 21, 2008 20:08:32 GMT 1, christ
better sell the Warhols after watching that episode.............
christ
better sell the Warhols after watching that episode.............
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by doublehelix on Sept 21, 2008 20:11:22 GMT 1, Great polemic, can't say I agree with everything Hughes said, but really enjoyed the show. Loved the clip of Rauschenberg confronting the collector at the auction.
Great polemic, can't say I agree with everything Hughes said, but really enjoyed the show. Loved the clip of Rauschenberg confronting the collector at the auction.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by weaver on Sept 21, 2008 20:13:31 GMT 1, Its amazing, 4 years interest in the art world and you start talking about how it was before it was all about the money, warhol was good til he got into money blahblah blah, the type of thing we have all heard before regarding Banksy, d-face, micallef, neate........ Very informative but at the same time not too surprising as I felt it was too personal an overview to be objective, but then again what is art without a personal overview, he dismissed the whole post pop era as rubbish, slated Hirst and Koonz, but bigged up his old mates... times change, but then again I'm an old git too so WTF do I know. Next weeks one on the new russian influence should be entertaining.
Its amazing, 4 years interest in the art world and you start talking about how it was before it was all about the money, warhol was good til he got into money blahblah blah, the type of thing we have all heard before regarding Banksy, d-face, micallef, neate........ Very informative but at the same time not too surprising as I felt it was too personal an overview to be objective, but then again what is art without a personal overview, he dismissed the whole post pop era as rubbish, slated Hirst and Koonz, but bigged up his old mates... times change, but then again I'm an old git too so WTF do I know. Next weeks one on the new russian influence should be entertaining.
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dotdot
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by dotdot on Sept 21, 2008 20:16:17 GMT 1, tivo-d it - should be cool.
interesting review weaver...
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tivo-d it - should be cool.
interesting review weaver...
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hlarmy
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by hlarmy on Sept 21, 2008 20:25:24 GMT 1, I enjoyed it and found it to be quite interesting - he is one miserable sod though and his voice particularly dull!! The fact that some art commands such high prices is one of the reasons I became interested in art in the first place so it was a good programme to watch from that perspective.
I've never used it but for those not based in the UK or who missed it, you can watch it again on the channel 4 website (it'll probably be available within 24 hours):
www.channel4.com/4od/index.html
I enjoyed it and found it to be quite interesting - he is one miserable sod though and his voice particularly dull!! The fact that some art commands such high prices is one of the reasons I became interested in art in the first place so it was a good programme to watch from that perspective. I've never used it but for those not based in the UK or who missed it, you can watch it again on the channel 4 website (it'll probably be available within 24 hours): www.channel4.com/4od/index.html
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Richard
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Richard on Sept 21, 2008 20:29:36 GMT 1, Next weeks should be very "entertaining". ;D
Next weeks should be very "entertaining". ;D
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 20:31:41 GMT 1, christ better sell the Warhols after watching that episode.............
Just bang them on ebay and bid Mugrabe up a bit..... make him sweat for his art.
christ better sell the Warhols after watching that episode............. Just bang them on ebay and bid Mugrabe up a bit..... make him sweat for his art.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by worlddomination on Sept 21, 2008 20:41:43 GMT 1, I absolutely thought it was one of the best things I've seen on tv this year. If you are into the urban art scene which you are if you are here, then what a great look into the contemporary art world and i guess parallels to here and now . I thought Hughes viewpoint on warhol and hirst was spot on. Looking forward to next weeks.
I absolutely thought it was one of the best things I've seen on tv this year. If you are into the urban art scene which you are if you are here, then what a great look into the contemporary art world and i guess parallels to here and now . I thought Hughes viewpoint on warhol and hirst was spot on. Looking forward to next weeks.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by junkieart on Sept 21, 2008 20:48:44 GMT 1, I thought it was great, also didn't agree wit everything he said but very inspirational with how he left it basically "Only produce art thats relevant to the time your live in" Hirst if he was watching must have been cringing! Brilliant and inspiring tv.
I thought it was great, also didn't agree wit everything he said but very inspirational with how he left it basically "Only produce art thats relevant to the time your live in" Hirst if he was watching must have been cringing! Brilliant and inspiring tv.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by junkieart on Sept 21, 2008 20:52:38 GMT 1, The fact that some art commands such high prices is one of the reasons I became interested in art in the first place so it was a good programme to watch from that perspective.
ummmm
The fact that some art commands such high prices is one of the reasons I became interested in art in the first place so it was a good programme to watch from that perspective. ummmm
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 20:54:04 GMT 1, is there something like an I-missed-this-TV-show.co.uk? haven't seen it here in Holland...
is there something like an I-missed-this-TV-show.co.uk? haven't seen it here in Holland...
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hlarmy
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by hlarmy on Sept 21, 2008 20:55:17 GMT 1, So it's never crossed your mind why something that costs less than ยฃ50 to make should sell for more than ยฃ50m?
So it's never crossed your mind why something that costs less than ยฃ50 to make should sell for more than ยฃ50m?
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by junkieart on Sept 21, 2008 20:57:05 GMT 1, Sorry re read it and think I have missed the sarcasom!
Sorry re read it and think I have missed the sarcasom!
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pezlow
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by pezlow on Sept 21, 2008 20:59:58 GMT 1, Quite an interesting watch but I think Hughes is a bit of a snob. He clearly preferred the art world when it was a small bunch of elite....
Quite an interesting watch but I think Hughes is a bit of a snob. He clearly preferred the art world when it was a small bunch of elite....
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dotdot
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by dotdot on Sept 21, 2008 21:10:24 GMT 1, is there something like an I-missed-this-TV-show.co.uk? haven't seen it here in Holland...
u k n o v a
is there something like an I-missed-this-TV-show.co.uk? haven't seen it here in Holland... u k n o v a
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by bmjt on Sept 21, 2008 21:19:55 GMT 1, I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked.
Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag.
I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked.
Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Karl Read on Sept 21, 2008 21:25:30 GMT 1, I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag.
Could'nt of put it better myself!
I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag. Could'nt of put it better myself!
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by junkieart on Sept 21, 2008 21:33:50 GMT 1, I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag.
Totally agree!!!
I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag. Totally agree!!!
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by carlito on Sept 21, 2008 21:45:01 GMT 1, Warp factor 10 pompousity!(word ?)
Warp factor 10 pompousity!(word ?)
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 21:50:42 GMT 1, I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag.
Knobster
I thought it was fantastic, I love an expert and he certainly knew his stuff. He said pretty much what i've been thinking about the majority of modern art, and it's so true that we let the rich who pay ludicrous amounts of money define our tastes, allowing our true opinions to be tricked. Hirst and Warhol got the slaps they deserved, and that Mugrabe knobster was rightly shown-up for the rich, egotistical, shallow knob he is, with hardly any knowledge of the art he owns bar it's price-tag. Knobster
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Va Va Voom
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Va Va Voom on Sept 22, 2008 0:38:46 GMT 1, Hughes eloquence & intelligence on the subject was perfectly juxtapositioned with Mugrabe,s ignorant observations,scary that morons like these can manipulate the market so easily. Great programme,good to see that Hirst didnt escape his vitriol too.
Hughes eloquence & intelligence on the subject was perfectly juxtapositioned with Mugrabe,s ignorant observations,scary that morons like these can manipulate the market so easily. Great programme,good to see that Hirst didnt escape his vitriol too.
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 1:26:51 GMT 1, Hughes eloquence & intelligence on the subject was perfectly juxtapositioned with Mugrabe,s ignorant observations,scary that morons like these can manipulate the market so easily. Great programme,good to see that Hirst didnt escape his vitriol too.
Best make that "Multi Billlionaire" morons.
Hughes eloquence & intelligence on the subject was perfectly juxtapositioned with Mugrabe,s ignorant observations,scary that morons like these can manipulate the market so easily. Great programme,good to see that Hirst didnt escape his vitriol too. Best make that "Multi Billlionaire" morons.
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pezlow
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Must watch TV - The Mona Lisa Curse C4 6.30pm, by pezlow on Sept 22, 2008 6:55:27 GMT 1, It really surprises me how many people agreed with Hughes. Whilst I can see that many of his arguments were superficially attractive - art is all about money and consumerism and not about the art I think that there is a real snobbery underlying his critique.
Hughes' halcyon era for the art world seems to be the 1960's pre warhol. It is worth reminding ourselves that at this time art was an almost exclusively eliteist pastime. Visitor numbers at galleries and museums were a tiny percentage of what they are now and the ownership of art was restricted to a tiny elite. Because of this any new art movement tended to suffer from critical disdain and public humiliation. The minimalists particularly suffered at the hands of the popular press - Carl Andre's brick etc etc.
Then along came the pop artists and the mass production of works of art that were accessible and fun. And people started to recognise that they could have something more than an athena poster on their wall. They actually started to visit galleries and museums and appreciate art.
Then, in the UK we had sensation at the royal academy. Here was a new vibrant, young scene which people could identify. Sure they didn't like all the artwork but suddenly they felt that artists were actually saying something that they could understand and appreciate. It still got criticised in the Daily Mail of course but gradually the public opinion of contemporary art began to change.
So now you have a situation where contemporary art is one of the largest growing leisure pursuits in the western world. More people visit the Tate Modern each year than visit Alton Towers. And of course some people want to own this art and display it on their walls. And what is wrong with that???
Perhaps we should all go back to Hughes halcyon time. If we did though this forum wouldn't exist and most of the members on it would probably have the 21st century equivalent of athena posters on their wall.
It really surprises me how many people agreed with Hughes. Whilst I can see that many of his arguments were superficially attractive - art is all about money and consumerism and not about the art I think that there is a real snobbery underlying his critique.
Hughes' halcyon era for the art world seems to be the 1960's pre warhol. It is worth reminding ourselves that at this time art was an almost exclusively eliteist pastime. Visitor numbers at galleries and museums were a tiny percentage of what they are now and the ownership of art was restricted to a tiny elite. Because of this any new art movement tended to suffer from critical disdain and public humiliation. The minimalists particularly suffered at the hands of the popular press - Carl Andre's brick etc etc.
Then along came the pop artists and the mass production of works of art that were accessible and fun. And people started to recognise that they could have something more than an athena poster on their wall. They actually started to visit galleries and museums and appreciate art.
Then, in the UK we had sensation at the royal academy. Here was a new vibrant, young scene which people could identify. Sure they didn't like all the artwork but suddenly they felt that artists were actually saying something that they could understand and appreciate. It still got criticised in the Daily Mail of course but gradually the public opinion of contemporary art began to change.
So now you have a situation where contemporary art is one of the largest growing leisure pursuits in the western world. More people visit the Tate Modern each year than visit Alton Towers. And of course some people want to own this art and display it on their walls. And what is wrong with that???
Perhaps we should all go back to Hughes halcyon time. If we did though this forum wouldn't exist and most of the members on it would probably have the 21st century equivalent of athena posters on their wall.
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