Sundowner
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Sundowner
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September 2008
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Back flip......., by Sundowner on Sept 20, 2008 11:57:47 GMT 1, Sold for ยฃ206 on the bay...........
Sold for ยฃ206 on the bay...........
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Back flip......., by giiiant on Sept 20, 2008 12:12:20 GMT 1, always nice to see
always nice to see
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BONZO
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February 2007
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Back flip......., by BONZO on Sept 20, 2008 14:08:16 GMT 1, I think we'll see a lot of these (Wire Views) going for cost or below... Liberty and Star Eyes Special on the other hand are beauties IMO.
I think we'll see a lot of these (Wire Views) going for cost or below... Liberty and Star Eyes Special on the other hand are beauties IMO.
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Sundowner
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Back flip......., by Sundowner on Sept 20, 2008 14:21:37 GMT 1, Yeah, but you know what.....I collected mine (Wire Views) from POW yesterday and it looks awesome - the colours and detail is amazing.....and I got a great number!
Yeah, but you know what.....I collected mine (Wire Views) from POW yesterday and it looks awesome - the colours and detail is amazing.....and I got a great number!
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jamieb
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December 2007
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Back flip......., by jamieb on Sept 20, 2008 14:49:36 GMT 1, a stars eyes went for ยฃ311 earlier, not a great flip either. Think the print is disappointingly small.
a stars eyes went for ยฃ311 earlier, not a great flip either. Think the print is disappointingly small.
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brun
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December 2007
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Back flip......., by brun on Sept 21, 2008 15:27:32 GMT 1, oh de`ar that is a shame . ah well i will get one for ยฃ150 soon 
oh de`ar that is a shame . ah well i will get one for ยฃ150 soon |
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Winter
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March 2007
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Back flip......., by Winter on Sept 21, 2008 17:41:17 GMT 1, a stars eyes went for ยฃ311 earlier, not a great flip either. Think the print is disappointingly small.
A friend has asked me to see if I could get one of these. I would have paid that had I not been out. Anyone disappointed by the size of these obviously didn't read the size clearly written next to it on POW. Personally my walls are so full of massive pieces it's a relief these are a decent size.
a stars eyes went for ยฃ311 earlier, not a great flip either. Think the print is disappointingly small. A friend has asked me to see if I could get one of these. I would have paid that had I not been out. Anyone disappointed by the size of these obviously didn't read the size clearly written next to it on POW. Personally my walls are so full of massive pieces it's a relief these are a decent size. |
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Francis
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Back flip......., by Francis on Sept 21, 2008 19:35:51 GMT 1, More important than this humiliation for sellers is the fact that this shows that POW is overpricing their prints in the primary market and this will eventually catch up to them and hurt them and the entire scene.
More important than this humiliation for sellers is the fact that this shows that POW is overpricing their prints in the primary market and this will eventually catch up to them and hurt them and the entire scene.
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Back flip......., by snausages on Sept 21, 2008 20:15:10 GMT 1, this shows that POW is overpricing their prints
this shows that POW is overpricing their prints Yeah, Faile too. Looks like many of their latest prints are a hard sell even at cost price. Most everyone got ahead of themselves I think. Hopefully everyone chills out on retail prices now. |
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motor
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December 2006
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Back flip......., by motor on Sept 21, 2008 20:25:01 GMT 1, this shows that POW is overpricing their prints Yeah, Faile too. Looks like many of their latest prints are a hard sell even at cost price. Most everyone got ahead of themselves I think. Hopefully everyone chills out on retail prices now.
So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good.
Not a word about the art 
FFS.
I would always try and buy art directly from the artist (I really like and believe in) even though I won't be "granted" instant profit, knowing that those money go directly to them or their agents so they can produce fantastic shows or spend it on whatever they won't.
But maybe that's just me.
this shows that POW is overpricing their prints Yeah, Faile too. Looks like many of their latest prints are a hard sell even at cost price. Most everyone got ahead of themselves I think. Hopefully everyone chills out on retail prices now. So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good. Not a word about the art FFS. I would always try and buy art directly from the artist (I really like and believe in) even though I won't be "granted" instant profit, knowing that those money go directly to them or their agents so they can produce fantastic shows or spend it on whatever they won't. But maybe that's just me. |
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Back flip......., by snausages on Sept 21, 2008 20:45:28 GMT 1, So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good. Not a word about the art FFS
Yeah FFS is right 
POW just charged people about ยฃ100 OVER market value for these prints. I'm not looking for handouts and I know it's difficult pricing this stuff but yes, now that the market has really cooled off and evidence such as this is growing that retail prices for things are now ahead of market value it would be nice if artists and publishers started chilling out about raising their prices which have been going up non stop for well over a year imo.
So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good. Not a word about the art FFS Yeah FFS is right POW just charged people about ยฃ100 OVER market value for these prints. I'm not looking for handouts and I know it's difficult pricing this stuff but yes, now that the market has really cooled off and evidence such as this is growing that retail prices for things are now ahead of market value it would be nice if artists and publishers started chilling out about raising their prices which have been going up non stop for well over a year imo. |
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Richard
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September 2007
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Back flip......., by Richard on Sept 21, 2008 20:51:46 GMT 1, So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good. Not a word about the art FFS Yeah FFS is right POW just charged people about ยฃ100 OVER market value for these prints. I'm not looking for handouts and I know it's difficult pricing this stuff but yes, now that the market has really cooled off and evidence such as this is growing that retail prices for things are now ahead of market value it would be nice if artists and publishers started chilling out about raising their prices which have been going up non stop for well over a year imo. So fook off.
If they had charged above the market value they wouldn't have sold any. The fact they sold out within seconds proves they sold them at the market value at that moment in time.
So you're basically saying - that only those artists who "under-price" their work and then sell it to people who can flip it straight away for substantial profit - are good. Not a word about the art FFS Yeah FFS is right POW just charged people about ยฃ100 OVER market value for these prints. I'm not looking for handouts and I know it's difficult pricing this stuff but yes, now that the market has really cooled off and evidence such as this is growing that retail prices for things are now ahead of market value it would be nice if artists and publishers started chilling out about raising their prices which have been going up non stop for well over a year imo. So fook off. If they had charged above the market value they wouldn't have sold any. The fact they sold out within seconds proves they sold them at the market value at that moment in time. |
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Back flip......., by snausages on Sept 21, 2008 21:05:30 GMT 1, And a week later after people come to their senses and not buying based on adrenaline ...market value is ยฃ200. We've been seeing this a lot over the past 6 months now. But you're right it did sell out and it's just as much the fault of the mass consumerism and hype here as it is POWs fault, so sure it's hard to blame them. Still I'm just saying as this happens more and more it would be nice to see an end to the neverending price hikes and edition sizes doubling etc.
And a week later after people come to their senses and not buying based on adrenaline ...market value is ยฃ200. We've been seeing this a lot over the past 6 months now. But you're right it did sell out and it's just as much the fault of the mass consumerism and hype here as it is POWs fault, so sure it's hard to blame them. Still I'm just saying as this happens more and more it would be nice to see an end to the neverending price hikes and edition sizes doubling etc.
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motor
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Back flip......., by motor on Sept 21, 2008 21:21:29 GMT 1, Still I'm just saying as this happens more and more it would be nice to see an end to the neverending price hikes and edition sizes doubling etc.
Alright - I agree on this one.
I think the whole pricing of the new releases is not as easy as it seems.
Still I'm just saying as this happens more and more it would be nice to see an end to the neverending price hikes and edition sizes doubling etc. Alright - I agree on this one. I think the whole pricing of the new releases is not as easy as it seems. |
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Francis
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September 2007
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Back flip......., by Francis on Sept 21, 2008 21:30:22 GMT 1, POW will sell out most of their prints even if they are overpriced because of speculators with delusional expectations. This is because they have looked at past history and assumed that they can get the same rate of return today. However, once they figure out later on that it is not possible, they will stop buying on speculation, but POW will still be pricing their prints high and probably even higher than today. The demand will be lower, but the price will still be too high....hence overpriced.
POW will sell out most of their prints even if they are overpriced because of speculators with delusional expectations. This is because they have looked at past history and assumed that they can get the same rate of return today. However, once they figure out later on that it is not possible, they will stop buying on speculation, but POW will still be pricing their prints high and probably even higher than today. The demand will be lower, but the price will still be too high....hence overpriced.
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Sundowner
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September 2008
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Back flip......., by Sundowner on Sept 21, 2008 22:09:31 GMT 1, Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay).
Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay).
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Francis
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September 2007
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Back flip......., by Francis on Sept 21, 2008 22:16:14 GMT 1, Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay).
Link? Most of them have gone for under cost price:
www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/63809
Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay). Link? Most of them have gone for under cost price: www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/63809 |
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Back flip......., by Guest on Sept 21, 2008 22:28:26 GMT 1, nice to see the flippers get burnt, and we can pick up the prints below cost.
nice to see the flippers get burnt, and we can pick up the prints below cost.
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Back flip......., by snakes on Sept 21, 2008 22:31:56 GMT 1, Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay).
Dream on. What with ebay and paypal fees the latest ones sold have barely broke even!
Having said that, I do think Insect's work will go up, and fortunately the print runs of these are low (I remember Dunce Boy was available on POW for ages at ยฃ175 before it sold out and there are some being sold now for cยฃ300 on the bay). Dream on. What with ebay and paypal fees the latest ones sold have barely broke even! |
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pfffffffffft
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Back flip......., by pfffffffffft on Sept 21, 2008 22:42:26 GMT 1, nice to see the flippers get burnt, and we can pick up the prints below cost.
I agree.
nice to see the flippers get burnt, and we can pick up the prints below cost. I agree. |
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Back flip......., by slowmo on Sept 21, 2008 23:10:47 GMT 1, Its not stocks and shares. I think its a good thing that people cant make a profit off work. You should be buying it because you want it, that way the people who wanted it (I have seen many on here post about missing star eyes) can pick one up and when it eventually sells out, then maybe people will have to pay more for a print by asking if anyone has one they would like to sell, as opposed to I got there before you, so pay me cos I got there first.
POW did not charge ยฃ100 over the market value, idiots bought it hoping to make money, those who bought it because they wanted the image, will feel they paid the right price.
Its not stocks and shares. I think its a good thing that people cant make a profit off work. You should be buying it because you want it, that way the people who wanted it (I have seen many on here post about missing star eyes) can pick one up and when it eventually sells out, then maybe people will have to pay more for a print by asking if anyone has one they would like to sell, as opposed to I got there before you, so pay me cos I got there first.
POW did not charge ยฃ100 over the market value, idiots bought it hoping to make money, those who bought it because they wanted the image, will feel they paid the right price.
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Ruggs
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January 2008
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Back flip......., by Ruggs on Sept 22, 2008 0:09:54 GMT 1, slowmo! Great reply. I think people should really buy because they want it and not to flip it. If POW do slightly inflate the prices it might put off those wanting to buy just to make a quick buck. I purchased a 'Star Eyes' (150 edition), worth every penny IMO. Can't wait to get it framed and hung.
slowmo! Great reply. I think people should really buy because they want it and not to flip it. If POW do slightly inflate the prices it might put off those wanting to buy just to make a quick buck. I purchased a 'Star Eyes' (150 edition), worth every penny IMO. Can't wait to get it framed and hung.
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Back flip......., by Happy Shopper on Sept 22, 2008 0:14:42 GMT 1, It's probably a good thing that the artists are getting the full value for their work, rather than the situation a few years ago where they were seeing others making the huge profits.
...it just takes some of the fun out of collecting if you have to pay so much! (or is it just me that likes a bargain?)
It's probably a good thing that the artists are getting the full value for their work, rather than the situation a few years ago where they were seeing others making the huge profits.
...it just takes some of the fun out of collecting if you have to pay so much! (or is it just me that likes a bargain?)
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