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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by snakes on Aug 22, 2008 23:39:11 GMT 1, Credit crunch aside but is this recent drop in print prices (across the board) due to the fact that there are simply just too many prints out there (mainly under our beds) to fit onto peoples walls?
Credit crunch aside but is this recent drop in print prices (across the board) due to the fact that there are simply just too many prints out there (mainly under our beds) to fit onto peoples walls?
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Francis
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Francis on Aug 22, 2008 23:47:22 GMT 1, People are traveling right now on holiday, so they are not sitting on their computer bidding on eBay
People are traveling right now on holiday, so they are not sitting on their computer bidding on eBay
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Tiki on Aug 23, 2008 16:20:33 GMT 1, Partially i think your right. But this happens every year during the holidays. It hasnt happened to this degree before namely because of the CC and because street art blew up in 2007, so it seems worse than it actually is because alot of people are judging it against 2007 sales.
Just my opinion
Partially i think your right. But this happens every year during the holidays. It hasnt happened to this degree before namely because of the CC and because street art blew up in 2007, so it seems worse than it actually is because alot of people are judging it against 2007 sales.
Just my opinion
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by raiden on Aug 25, 2008 23:15:53 GMT 1, I know I'm suffering from print fatigue. Don't know about others. There really has been a massive volume of print releases in the last six months and you're absolutely right about too many prints ending up "under the bed." I know that I am out of wall space. I've seen a lot of artists' prices tank in the last six months, leaving flippers scurrying and shoring up the whole market for prints.
I definitely agree there is a massive oversupply of prints in part caused by a speculative bubble of people trying to find the next Banksy - and of course this mindset is dissipating as people realize that Banksy has been a singular phenomena.
Personally too, as much as I love stencil art, I'm a bit stencil fatigued as well. I kind of feel print wise so much of it is "been there, done that" especially with your second tier stencil artists.
I still am purchasing, but sticking more to originals and really only buying works with "Do I like it enough to put it on my wall over the stuff I haven't framed?" in mind.
Also, as prices go down, I'm increasingly thinking of liquidating prints that aren't making the wall, and trading up for better pieces - which I'm hearing a lot lately.
I know I'm suffering from print fatigue. Don't know about others. There really has been a massive volume of print releases in the last six months and you're absolutely right about too many prints ending up "under the bed." I know that I am out of wall space. I've seen a lot of artists' prices tank in the last six months, leaving flippers scurrying and shoring up the whole market for prints.
I definitely agree there is a massive oversupply of prints in part caused by a speculative bubble of people trying to find the next Banksy - and of course this mindset is dissipating as people realize that Banksy has been a singular phenomena.
Personally too, as much as I love stencil art, I'm a bit stencil fatigued as well. I kind of feel print wise so much of it is "been there, done that" especially with your second tier stencil artists.
I still am purchasing, but sticking more to originals and really only buying works with "Do I like it enough to put it on my wall over the stuff I haven't framed?" in mind.
Also, as prices go down, I'm increasingly thinking of liquidating prints that aren't making the wall, and trading up for better pieces - which I'm hearing a lot lately.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by snakes on Aug 25, 2008 23:23:11 GMT 1, I only now have 4 prints under the bed and one on the way there which is the lowest I have ever had!
Of the 5 in limbo three are definitely off to the framers and the other two can either stay under the bed until i upgrade flats or will be sold on ebay.
As for new prints I am on a self imposed ban and if i did buy again it would mean that one on the walls will have to go.
I love my walls but there is more to life than expensive pieces of printed paper and I think I for one have reached my limit!
I only now have 4 prints under the bed and one on the way there which is the lowest I have ever had!
Of the 5 in limbo three are definitely off to the framers and the other two can either stay under the bed until i upgrade flats or will be sold on ebay.
As for new prints I am on a self imposed ban and if i did buy again it would mean that one on the walls will have to go.
I love my walls but there is more to life than expensive pieces of printed paper and I think I for one have reached my limit!
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 23:36:35 GMT 1, I only have my DSTQ and a Dan Baldwin framed and up, one or two more at the most in storage i think, rest are originals. Are less people buying prints now? do they prefer to have the cash in more original works? apart from Banksys that is.
I only have my DSTQ and a Dan Baldwin framed and up, one or two more at the most in storage i think, rest are originals. Are less people buying prints now? do they prefer to have the cash in more original works? apart from Banksys that is.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Daniel Silk on Aug 26, 2008 0:22:08 GMT 1, Credit crunch aside but is this recent drop in print prices (across the board) due to the fact that there are simply just too many prints out there (mainly under our beds) to fit onto peoples walls?
Im not sure the credit crunch is gonna have the effect on this scene that some people might be predicting  Many of us may be forced to sell pieces, and I think we are seeing a rise in that sort of thing on here and ebay at the moment. But is that bad for the scene as a whole? I actually wonder it might be a very good thing  the quality of pieces coming up for resale was dropping due to people keeping hold of the good stuff  but now they might be forced to sell their star pieces  Bad for them, but might help the scene with so many good pieces coming up for resale ;D
Credit crunch aside but is this recent drop in print prices (across the board) due to the fact that there are simply just too many prints out there (mainly under our beds) to fit onto peoples walls? Im not sure the credit crunch is gonna have the effect on this scene that some people might be predicting Many of us may be forced to sell pieces, and I think we are seeing a rise in that sort of thing on here and ebay at the moment. But is that bad for the scene as a whole? I actually wonder it might be a very good thing the quality of pieces coming up for resale was dropping due to people keeping hold of the good stuff but now they might be forced to sell their star pieces Bad for them, but might help the scene with so many good pieces coming up for resale ;D |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by ricosg11 on Aug 26, 2008 4:55:01 GMT 1, i cant believe what i just read.
i cant believe what i just read.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 26, 2008 5:52:25 GMT 1, The auction houses sold one print to one rich and ignorant person at a ridiculous price, and the owners of the remaining 599 prints all thought that is the value of their print.
And they find it perplexingly hard to get rid of what sold out in minutes, not even at costs, on the bay - so they got burnt with a bed full of prints.
And the more people get burnt by the "losing value" of their prints, the less they are willing to buy the next piece.
Demand falls in primary market, causing the secondary market to fall even more.
So the spiral spirals onwards and downwards...
AND, and there are way too many artists that are pretty much the same this year.
Nothing really exciting has happened since Micallef 05-06
We need a second coming of sort to save this scene.
The auction houses sold one print to one rich and ignorant person at a ridiculous price, and the owners of the remaining 599 prints all thought that is the value of their print.
And they find it perplexingly hard to get rid of what sold out in minutes, not even at costs, on the bay - so they got burnt with a bed full of prints.
And the more people get burnt by the "losing value" of their prints, the less they are willing to buy the next piece.
Demand falls in primary market, causing the secondary market to fall even more.
So the spiral spirals onwards and downwards...
AND, and there are way too many artists that are pretty much the same this year.
Nothing really exciting has happened since Micallef 05-06
We need a second coming of sort to save this scene.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 26, 2008 6:09:20 GMT 1, The auction houses sold one print to one rich and ignorant person at a ridiculous price, and the owners of the remaining 599 prints all thought that is the value of their print. And they find it perplexingly hard to get rid of what sold out in minutes, not even at costs, on the bay - so they got burnt with a bed full of prints. And the more people get burnt by the "losing value" of their prints, the less they are willing to buy the next piece. Demand falls in primary market, causing the secondary market to fall even more. So the spiral spirals onwards and downwards... AND, and there are way too many artists that are pretty much the same this year. Nothing really exciting has happened since Micallef 05-06 We need a second coming of sort to save this scene.
Well that all seems a bit negative imo GM. Not to mention a little derogatory to the artists who are out there putting out quality work for us to buy, whether it be prints or originals. It's a bit strange that people talk about the downfall of the scene etc, just because a few prints don't sell out at source and many are not doing so well comparably on Ebay. I've bought some beautiful pieces so far ths year (imo ;D). What about all those years when no-one's prints sold out instantly at source and Banksy's were worth only a fraction of what they are now in this "lull"? The scene was up and coming! There is loads of talent around today and loads of great art, can't we just enjoy it without moaning about "the market" and "the scene" every 5 minutes? I'm sure the artists who "lack ability" will disappear from whence they came and those that endure will be the ones who's work inspires and is sought-after. I'm sure there's new work out there that turns you on - why not focus on that instead of this negativity? What's with all this spiral business? If nothing exciting or interesting has happened since 05-06, how come your going strong on here? Waiting for the Messiah? The glass is half full imo.
The auction houses sold one print to one rich and ignorant person at a ridiculous price, and the owners of the remaining 599 prints all thought that is the value of their print. And they find it perplexingly hard to get rid of what sold out in minutes, not even at costs, on the bay - so they got burnt with a bed full of prints. And the more people get burnt by the "losing value" of their prints, the less they are willing to buy the next piece. Demand falls in primary market, causing the secondary market to fall even more. So the spiral spirals onwards and downwards... AND, and there are way too many artists that are pretty much the same this year. Nothing really exciting has happened since Micallef 05-06 We need a second coming of sort to save this scene. Well that all seems a bit negative imo GM. Not to mention a little derogatory to the artists who are out there putting out quality work for us to buy, whether it be prints or originals. It's a bit strange that people talk about the downfall of the scene etc, just because a few prints don't sell out at source and many are not doing so well comparably on Ebay. I've bought some beautiful pieces so far ths year (imo ;D). What about all those years when no-one's prints sold out instantly at source and Banksy's were worth only a fraction of what they are now in this "lull"? The scene was up and coming! There is loads of talent around today and loads of great art, can't we just enjoy it without moaning about "the market" and "the scene" every 5 minutes? I'm sure the artists who "lack ability" will disappear from whence they came and those that endure will be the ones who's work inspires and is sought-after. I'm sure there's new work out there that turns you on - why not focus on that instead of this negativity? What's with all this spiral business? If nothing exciting or interesting has happened since 05-06, how come your going strong on here? Waiting for the Messiah? The glass is half full imo. |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by hlarmy on Aug 26, 2008 6:51:29 GMT 1, I know I'm suffering from print fatigue. Don't know about others. There really has been a massive volume of print releases in the last six months and you're absolutely right about too many prints ending up "under the bed." I know that I am out of wall space. I've seen a lot of artists' prices tank in the last six months, leaving flippers scurrying and shoring up the whole market for prints. I definitely agree there is a massive oversupply of prints in part caused by a speculative bubble of people trying to find the next Banksy - and of course this mindset is dissipating as people realize that Banksy has been a singular phenomena. Personally too, as much as I love stencil art, I'm a bit stencil fatigued as well. I kind of feel print wise so much of it is "been there, done that" especially with your second tier stencil artists. I still am purchasing, but sticking more to originals and really only buying works with "Do I like it enough to put it on my wall over the stuff I haven't framed?" in mind. Also, as prices go down, I'm increasingly thinking of liquidating prints that aren't making the wall, and trading up for better pieces - which I'm hearing a lot lately.
100% agree with all of the above; I would also say that print numbers and prices have exploded in the past year with many galleries trying to cash in on the massive interest in Banksy and street art. These prices are largely unsustainable and so it is natural that eventually they will come down - call it a bubble if you like.
It also amuses me that everything POW release pretty much sells out (whether good or bad); this can largely be attributed to the increase in flippers looking for a quick buck or the next Banksy. Many of these people are now (hopefully) beginning to realise that there won't be a next Banksy in this 'scene' and have lost money in 95% of the prints they have bought. This is not necessarily a bad thing however as it means that prints can be bought at below-cost within a month or two of primary sale.
For me, I will only buy prints going forward if they are relatively established artists (Banksy, Walker etc) or if I love the image; I am also trying to buy originals where possible. In the past couple of months I have bought some stunning canvasses, all for prices less than the average POW print and so much better. That's not to mention that you have to factor in the cost of framing, which to a perfectist like me costs the best part of ยฃ150-ยฃ250 (the cost of the print in the first place!!).
I know I'm suffering from print fatigue. Don't know about others. There really has been a massive volume of print releases in the last six months and you're absolutely right about too many prints ending up "under the bed." I know that I am out of wall space. I've seen a lot of artists' prices tank in the last six months, leaving flippers scurrying and shoring up the whole market for prints. I definitely agree there is a massive oversupply of prints in part caused by a speculative bubble of people trying to find the next Banksy - and of course this mindset is dissipating as people realize that Banksy has been a singular phenomena. Personally too, as much as I love stencil art, I'm a bit stencil fatigued as well. I kind of feel print wise so much of it is "been there, done that" especially with your second tier stencil artists. I still am purchasing, but sticking more to originals and really only buying works with "Do I like it enough to put it on my wall over the stuff I haven't framed?" in mind. Also, as prices go down, I'm increasingly thinking of liquidating prints that aren't making the wall, and trading up for better pieces - which I'm hearing a lot lately. 100% agree with all of the above; I would also say that print numbers and prices have exploded in the past year with many galleries trying to cash in on the massive interest in Banksy and street art. These prices are largely unsustainable and so it is natural that eventually they will come down - call it a bubble if you like. It also amuses me that everything POW release pretty much sells out (whether good or bad); this can largely be attributed to the increase in flippers looking for a quick buck or the next Banksy. Many of these people are now (hopefully) beginning to realise that there won't be a next Banksy in this 'scene' and have lost money in 95% of the prints they have bought. This is not necessarily a bad thing however as it means that prints can be bought at below-cost within a month or two of primary sale. For me, I will only buy prints going forward if they are relatively established artists (Banksy, Walker etc) or if I love the image; I am also trying to buy originals where possible. In the past couple of months I have bought some stunning canvasses, all for prices less than the average POW print and so much better. That's not to mention that you have to factor in the cost of framing, which to a perfectist like me costs the best part of ยฃ150-ยฃ250 (the cost of the print in the first place!!). |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 26, 2008 7:18:04 GMT 1, 100% agree with all of the above; I would also say that print numbers and prices have exploded in the past year with many galleries trying to cash in on the massive interest in Banksy and street art. These prices are largely unsustainable and so it is natural that eventually they will come down - call it a bubble if you like. It also amuses me that everything POW release pretty much sells out (whether good or bad); this can largely be attributed to the increase in flippers looking for a quick buck or the next Banksy. Many of these people are now (hopefully) beginning to realise that there won't be a next Banksy in this 'scene' and have lost money in 95% of the prints they have bought. This is not necessarily a bad thing however as it means that prints can be bought at below-cost within a month or two of primary sale. For me, I will only buy prints going forward if they are relatively established artists (Banksy, Walker etc) or if I love the image; I am also trying to buy originals where possible. In the past couple of months I have bought some stunning canvasses, all for prices less than the average POW print and so much better. That's not to mention that you have to factor in the cost of framing, which to a perfectist like me costs the best part of ยฃ150-ยฃ250 (the cost of the print in the first place!!).
While I'd go along with most of what you and Raiden are saying, I also think there are some great prints hitting the market and they aren't ALL at POW prices. I got a beaut' the other week for ยฃ65 + postage and another I'm very happy with for ยฃ50 posted from the US. Let the flippers buy everything POW! While I admit I do regret missing the Vhils edition from them, most of their prints have been a bit poor imo and are certainly overpriced.
This forum has been a revelation to me and I'm looking forward to posting a lot of pics in the coming months when I've got new pieces framed up. I managed to source ALL of these purchases through this forum, so a huge thanks to all of you who share info and post about art! ;D If this forum is a reflection of the scene, there's still plenty to be smiling about imo.
100% agree with all of the above; I would also say that print numbers and prices have exploded in the past year with many galleries trying to cash in on the massive interest in Banksy and street art. These prices are largely unsustainable and so it is natural that eventually they will come down - call it a bubble if you like. It also amuses me that everything POW release pretty much sells out (whether good or bad); this can largely be attributed to the increase in flippers looking for a quick buck or the next Banksy. Many of these people are now (hopefully) beginning to realise that there won't be a next Banksy in this 'scene' and have lost money in 95% of the prints they have bought. This is not necessarily a bad thing however as it means that prints can be bought at below-cost within a month or two of primary sale. For me, I will only buy prints going forward if they are relatively established artists (Banksy, Walker etc) or if I love the image; I am also trying to buy originals where possible. In the past couple of months I have bought some stunning canvasses, all for prices less than the average POW print and so much better. That's not to mention that you have to factor in the cost of framing, which to a perfectist like me costs the best part of ยฃ150-ยฃ250 (the cost of the print in the first place!!). While I'd go along with most of what you and Raiden are saying, I also think there are some great prints hitting the market and they aren't ALL at POW prices. I got a beaut' the other week for ยฃ65 + postage and another I'm very happy with for ยฃ50 posted from the US. Let the flippers buy everything POW! While I admit I do regret missing the Vhils edition from them, most of their prints have been a bit poor imo and are certainly overpriced. This forum has been a revelation to me and I'm looking forward to posting a lot of pics in the coming months when I've got new pieces framed up. I managed to source ALL of these purchases through this forum, so a huge thanks to all of you who share info and post about art! ;D If this forum is a reflection of the scene, there's still plenty to be smiling about imo. |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by hlarmy on Aug 26, 2008 7:29:57 GMT 1, While I'd go along with most of what you and Raiden are saying, I also think there are some great prints hitting the market and they aren't ALL at POW prices. I got a beaut' the other week for ยฃ65 + postage and another I'm very happy with for ยฃ50 posted from the US. Let the flippers buy everything POW! While I admit I do regret missing the Vhils edition from them, most of their prints have been a bit poor imo and are certainly overpriced. I don't disagree with the first point, although I do think the cost of framing does need to be considered when buying a print - even if I'm buying a print for ยฃ65 I would like to frame it in a way that does the print justice. I realise you don't have to spend the kind of money I mentioned on a frame but there's something about spending an amount more than the cost of the actual print that gets me  re. Vhils, I don't know too much about the artist or his background but was massively impressed with his work at the Cans Festival. However, I was amazed at how much the print cost (I think it was ยฃ275 if my memory serves me correct); crazy pricing for a relatively new artist. I had one in the basket and couldn't justify the total cost of about ยฃ450 for it. Having said that, it sold out in seconds so who am I to say it was overpriced (it's just a shame about half have since appeared for sale on here and on eBay!)
While I'd go along with most of what you and Raiden are saying, I also think there are some great prints hitting the market and they aren't ALL at POW prices. I got a beaut' the other week for ยฃ65 + postage and another I'm very happy with for ยฃ50 posted from the US. Let the flippers buy everything POW! While I admit I do regret missing the Vhils edition from them, most of their prints have been a bit poor imo and are certainly overpriced. I don't disagree with the first point, although I do think the cost of framing does need to be considered when buying a print - even if I'm buying a print for ยฃ65 I would like to frame it in a way that does the print justice. I realise you don't have to spend the kind of money I mentioned on a frame but there's something about spending an amount more than the cost of the actual print that gets me re. Vhils, I don't know too much about the artist or his background but was massively impressed with his work at the Cans Festival. However, I was amazed at how much the print cost (I think it was ยฃ275 if my memory serves me correct); crazy pricing for a relatively new artist. I had one in the basket and couldn't justify the total cost of about ยฃ450 for it. Having said that, it sold out in seconds so who am I to say it was overpriced (it's just a shame about half have since appeared for sale on here and on eBay!) |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 26, 2008 7:53:59 GMT 1, I agree about the Vhils release. However to be fair I was out and probably would have bitten, as I do/did like it a lot, even though afterward my initial thought was that I'd saved a large amount of cash, as I did like the image enough to pay the price, but already had loads of other pieces awaiting pickup in London. However it seemed a very high price for a 1st print release (I think it was his first print) by an up and comer. I know it was a "special" process etc, but let's face it, most young, up and coming artists are happy to get that for a canvas. I only know what I've read on this forum, but his work looks more impressive to me everytime a see a piece by him. I hope there's much more to come from him. I think POW have tapped into a real gem of an artist!
I agree about the Vhils release. However to be fair I was out and probably would have bitten, as I do/did like it a lot, even though afterward my initial thought was that I'd saved a large amount of cash, as I did like the image enough to pay the price, but already had loads of other pieces awaiting pickup in London. However it seemed a very high price for a 1st print release (I think it was his first print) by an up and comer. I know it was a "special" process etc, but let's face it, most young, up and coming artists are happy to get that for a canvas. I only know what I've read on this forum, but his work looks more impressive to me everytime a see a piece by him. I hope there's much more to come from him. I think POW have tapped into a real gem of an artist!
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by mcster on Aug 26, 2008 8:22:01 GMT 1, IMO it's more of a levelling than a downward spiral. There have been way too many releases recently for what is a pretty small scene still, with people rushing to buy things before they know if they actually like them. We now have enough space on our walls for one 'normal' size piece and two small ones, all of which are lined up and waiting collection from the framers (payday), with about 8 or 9 tubes sitting in our bedroom. But that's over nearly 5 years of collecting, so fortunately most have been bought at a good price.
I agree with the idea that people are looking for 'the new Banksy' but I'm quite sure it won't happen and think it's that aim that's making people buy stuff they don't really like. If it means I miss out when something is released and get it at a better price further down the line for cheaper that's great - I for one am chuffed that the 'golden age' of flipping seems to have ended...
IMO it's more of a levelling than a downward spiral. There have been way too many releases recently for what is a pretty small scene still, with people rushing to buy things before they know if they actually like them. We now have enough space on our walls for one 'normal' size piece and two small ones, all of which are lined up and waiting collection from the framers (payday), with about 8 or 9 tubes sitting in our bedroom. But that's over nearly 5 years of collecting, so fortunately most have been bought at a good price.
I agree with the idea that people are looking for 'the new Banksy' but I'm quite sure it won't happen and think it's that aim that's making people buy stuff they don't really like. If it means I miss out when something is released and get it at a better price further down the line for cheaper that's great - I for one am chuffed that the 'golden age' of flipping seems to have ended...
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 26, 2008 9:28:07 GMT 1, Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world...
The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print.
When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL?
I just miss that a lot.
(Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...)
Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world...
The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print.
When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL?
I just miss that a lot.
(Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...)
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by bobbyt23 on Aug 26, 2008 9:50:32 GMT 1, Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world... The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print. When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL? I just miss that a lot. (Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...)
What is the upcoming Nick Walker?
Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world... The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print. When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL? I just miss that a lot. (Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...) What is the upcoming Nick Walker? |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 26, 2008 9:51:57 GMT 1, that new york one... should be out in a few months.
that new york one... should be out in a few months.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by dh on Aug 26, 2008 10:16:50 GMT 1, that new york one... should be out in a few months.
I heard around April 09, but could be wrong. I also think it will be released in New York.
that new york one... should be out in a few months. I heard around April 09, but could be wrong. I also think it will be released in New York. |
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Heavyconsumer
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 26, 2008 14:20:19 GMT 1, Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world... The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print. When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL? I just miss that a lot. (Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...)
That's cool GM, although personally I'm not a lover of 22stCL, believe it or not  !!! I love a lot of Mic's images, just not overly keen on that one.
I understand what you mean, but I have to say I don't agree. What about the TMA's, Trolleys (in colour), Choe's "Silent Dance," etc etc. I think there have been some wonderful offerings recently and like you say there always seems to be more around the corner.
I agree 100% that there are a helluva lot of artists and galleries producing prints these days, but we are responsible for what we buy and ultimately this is what drives the market imo. No-one is getting rich from unsold prints and OGs! I don't think the production/supply of art should be seen as problematic, as it can only benefit us with more options and maybe it's even benefiting us further by influencing prices throughout the scene. If there's plenty of new work to choose from, it makes spending ยฃ3-5k on a print seem a little more unreasonable to some people, especially those of us not collecting for as long as some of you longer-time collectors.
Apologies for sounding so negative, it's that kind of day over in my gloomy part of the world... The new stuff is great, don't get me wrong, and I like the energy, but it's been so long since my jaws dropped over a print. When's the last time you've seen a print and felt the same way you did when you first saw 21CL? I just miss that a lot. (Ok, ok, I must admit, that upcoming Nick Walker is a stunner (prob the best this year), but it's still no 21CL, IMO, of course...) That's cool GM, although personally I'm not a lover of 22stCL, believe it or not !!! I love a lot of Mic's images, just not overly keen on that one. I understand what you mean, but I have to say I don't agree. What about the TMA's, Trolleys (in colour), Choe's "Silent Dance," etc etc. I think there have been some wonderful offerings recently and like you say there always seems to be more around the corner. I agree 100% that there are a helluva lot of artists and galleries producing prints these days, but we are responsible for what we buy and ultimately this is what drives the market imo. No-one is getting rich from unsold prints and OGs! I don't think the production/supply of art should be seen as problematic, as it can only benefit us with more options and maybe it's even benefiting us further by influencing prices throughout the scene. If there's plenty of new work to choose from, it makes spending ยฃ3-5k on a print seem a little more unreasonable to some people, especially those of us not collecting for as long as some of you longer-time collectors. |
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Gentle Mental on Aug 26, 2008 14:53:33 GMT 1, I'm happy for you mr heavy, that you find this year a good one.
Yes, it's a good year for quantity (which is really good for the serious fans, we don't have to pay sky high prices for a choe, francis or a micallef anymore), but i still feel this has been a really slow year for quality.
Trolley and Silent Dance are very nice, but aren't exactly groundbreaking stuff from either artists.
ah... except for the next TMA - NOW THAT is a Jaw dropper....
(can't believe you felt nothing for 21CL... woah...)
I'm happy for you mr heavy, that you find this year a good one.
Yes, it's a good year for quantity (which is really good for the serious fans, we don't have to pay sky high prices for a choe, francis or a micallef anymore), but i still feel this has been a really slow year for quality.
Trolley and Silent Dance are very nice, but aren't exactly groundbreaking stuff from either artists.
ah... except for the next TMA - NOW THAT is a Jaw dropper....
(can't believe you felt nothing for 21CL... woah...)
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Heavyconsumer on Aug 26, 2008 15:00:30 GMT 1, Gimme Dirty Deluxe or the Head and SP set anyday! These are my favourite Mic's. I was/am quite surprised that more collectors haven't been excited by Silent Dance. I think it's quite special. Do you think that's because it's a giclee and not a serigraph?
Gimme Dirty Deluxe or the Head and SP set anyday! These are my favourite Mic's. I was/am quite surprised that more collectors haven't been excited by Silent Dance. I think it's quite special. Do you think that's because it's a giclee and not a serigraph?
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 15:02:10 GMT 1, Its each to his own again though isnt it?, i wont be buying any TMA, although i like and own some of Nicks works this ones not for me at all. I will be interested to see what his future works are like after Vandal has departed. Oh and Dirty Deluxe wins for me although wouldnt say no to 21st c.
Its each to his own again though isnt it?, i wont be buying any TMA, although i like and own some of Nicks works this ones not for me at all. I will be interested to see what his future works are like after Vandal has departed. Oh and Dirty Deluxe wins for me although wouldnt say no to 21st c.
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Supply & demand - excess supply ?, by bobbyt23 on Aug 26, 2008 15:21:46 GMT 1, Gimme Dirty Deluxe or the Head and SP set anyday! These are my favourite Mic's. I was/am quite surprised that more collectors haven't been excited by Silent Dance. I think it's quite special. Do you think that's because it's a giclee and not a serigraph?
Silent Dance? What's this look like?
EDIT- Scrap that I was being a muppet!
Gimme Dirty Deluxe or the Head and SP set anyday! These are my favourite Mic's. I was/am quite surprised that more collectors haven't been excited by Silent Dance. I think it's quite special. Do you think that's because it's a giclee and not a serigraph? Silent Dance? What's this look like? EDIT- Scrap that I was being a muppet! |
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Many of us may be forced to sell pieces, and I think we are seeing a rise in that sort of thing on here and ebay at the moment. But is that bad for the scene as a whole? I actually wonder it might be a very good thing 
the quality of pieces coming up for resale was dropping due to people keeping hold of the good stuff 
but now they might be forced to sell their star pieces 
Bad for them, but might help the scene with so many good pieces coming up for resale ;D
!!! I love a lot of Mic's images, just not overly keen on that one.
