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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by discoduster on Apr 6, 2010 17:09:48 GMT 1, >>>What's your take on the numbered lithos? <<< Disco, I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. I'll put it simply, from my perspective if one is investing in the image buy the official print run, AP/TP or the unique one offs that are authenticated by the estate/foundation. Otherwise, if one enjoys the image and can not afford the official releases, buy the cheapest one that looks the best to you as nothing else (imo) is going to appreciate over time.
Fair do's, I get ya. Thanks.
>>>What's your take on the numbered lithos? <<< Disco, I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. I'll put it simply, from my perspective if one is investing in the image buy the official print run, AP/TP or the unique one offs that are authenticated by the estate/foundation. Otherwise, if one enjoys the image and can not afford the official releases, buy the cheapest one that looks the best to you as nothing else (imo) is going to appreciate over time. Fair do's, I get ya. Thanks. |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by wallwiss on Apr 6, 2010 17:09:50 GMT 1, whether it will appreciate or not is irrelevant the fact is the sundauy b mornings are cheap and look far better than a poster, they are screenprints
whether it will appreciate or not is irrelevant the fact is the sundauy b mornings are cheap and look far better than a poster, they are screenprints
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by wallwiss on Apr 6, 2010 17:12:57 GMT 1, lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are
lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by discoduster on Apr 6, 2010 17:16:09 GMT 1, lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are
That's odd if they were released from the official Museum.
lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are That's odd if they were released from the official Museum. |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by wallwiss on Apr 6, 2010 17:20:02 GMT 1, yes but they are not in the catologue which is far more important. The numbered edition im guessing is something very high and not worth more than a sunday b morning but prob cost more, besides there is a great story re the way the sunday b mornings came to fruition and warhol knew about and ackowledged them before his death
yes but they are not in the catologue which is far more important. The numbered edition im guessing is something very high and not worth more than a sunday b morning but prob cost more, besides there is a great story re the way the sunday b mornings came to fruition and warhol knew about and ackowledged them before his death
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by wallwiss on Apr 6, 2010 17:25:04 GMT 1, warhol museum? if its the pittsburgh one they release a lot of bullshit man the foundation pisses all over them! if you havent got about 11k to drop on the edition of 250 then just get a sunday b morning for now
warhol museum? if its the pittsburgh one they release a lot of bullshit man the foundation pisses all over them! if you havent got about 11k to drop on the edition of 250 then just get a sunday b morning for now
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by lee3 on Apr 6, 2010 18:52:33 GMT 1, >>>lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are <<<<
To be clear here, my memory of this fact is that the sunday b mornings in his print CR are only the Marilyn run from the late 70s which were printed without his permission which he later joked about. I'm not an expert and it's been a very long time since I cracked open his print CR but the vast majority of the SBM prints came well after his death. If my memory is correct, there would be no SBM soup cans in the print CR.
edit: curiosity got the better of me and I just ran an artnet search to clear that up.
As you can see the Marilyn is noted in the CR:
Andy Warhol
Title Marilyn Monroe (portfolio of 10)
Medium color silkscreen on cardboard
Printing/Casting Later Imp
Size Height 36 in.; Width 36 in. / Height 91.4 cm.; Width 91.4 cm.
Edition ed.10
Cat. Rais. 22-31, Feldman/Schellmann
Found./Pub. Sunday b. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Auktionshaus Michael Zeller: Friday, April 23, 2010 [Lot 02159]
104. Internationale Bodensee-Kunstauktion
Estimate 2,700 EUR (3,654 USD)
whereas the soup cans are not:
Andy Warhol
Title Campbell's soup cans (10 works)
Medium silkscreens
Size Height 35 in.; Width 23 in. / Height 88.9 cm.; Width 58.4 cm.
Found./Pub. Sunday B. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Montefiore Auction House: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 [Lot 00249]
Israeli and International Art
Estimate 2,000 - 3,000 USD
Sold For BOUGHT IN
After Andy Warhol
Title Campbells soup cans (set of 10)
Medium color screenprint
Size Height 31.8 in.; Width 18.9 in. / Height 80.8 cm.; Width 47.9 cm.
Found./Pub. Sunday B. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Freeman's: Sunday, May 18, 2008 [Lot 00123]
Modern & Contemporary Works of Art
Estimate 3,000 - 5,000 USD
Sold For BOUGHT IN
>>>lastly dont touch the numbered lithos they are not recognized in warhols catologue raissonne the sunday b mornings are <<<<
To be clear here, my memory of this fact is that the sunday b mornings in his print CR are only the Marilyn run from the late 70s which were printed without his permission which he later joked about. I'm not an expert and it's been a very long time since I cracked open his print CR but the vast majority of the SBM prints came well after his death. If my memory is correct, there would be no SBM soup cans in the print CR.
edit: curiosity got the better of me and I just ran an artnet search to clear that up.
As you can see the Marilyn is noted in the CR:
Andy Warhol
Title Marilyn Monroe (portfolio of 10)
Medium color silkscreen on cardboard
Printing/Casting Later Imp
Size Height 36 in.; Width 36 in. / Height 91.4 cm.; Width 91.4 cm.
Edition ed.10
Cat. Rais. 22-31, Feldman/Schellmann
Found./Pub. Sunday b. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Auktionshaus Michael Zeller: Friday, April 23, 2010 [Lot 02159]
104. Internationale Bodensee-Kunstauktion
Estimate 2,700 EUR (3,654 USD)
whereas the soup cans are not:
Andy Warhol
Title Campbell's soup cans (10 works)
Medium silkscreens
Size Height 35 in.; Width 23 in. / Height 88.9 cm.; Width 58.4 cm.
Found./Pub. Sunday B. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Montefiore Auction House: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 [Lot 00249]
Israeli and International Art
Estimate 2,000 - 3,000 USD
Sold For BOUGHT IN
After Andy Warhol
Title Campbells soup cans (set of 10)
Medium color screenprint
Size Height 31.8 in.; Width 18.9 in. / Height 80.8 cm.; Width 47.9 cm.
Found./Pub. Sunday B. Morning, pub.
Misc. Stamped
Sale of Freeman's: Sunday, May 18, 2008 [Lot 00123]
Modern & Contemporary Works of Art
Estimate 3,000 - 5,000 USD
Sold For BOUGHT IN
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by etched on Apr 6, 2010 23:00:31 GMT 1,
heres another from the same print publisher, cost 5 pounds - shamefully highstreet but if you like the image........
heres another from the same print publisher, cost 5 pounds - shamefully highstreet but if you like the image........ |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by etched on Apr 6, 2010 23:22:36 GMT 1, and to end the cheapness - picked up this lady(boy) last year for just over 2k - incl frame by john jones
Andy Warhol
Ladies and Gentlemen
Screenprint on Arches paper.
1975
Edition of 125, signed, numbered and dated '75 in pencil on verso.
Portfolio of ten screenprints.
and to end the cheapness - picked up this lady(boy) last year for just over 2k - incl frame by john jones Andy Warhol Ladies and Gentlemen Screenprint on Arches paper. 1975 Edition of 125, signed, numbered and dated '75 in pencil on verso. Portfolio of ten screenprints. |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by spirit on Apr 6, 2010 23:42:08 GMT 1, very nice etched - please can you explain the "portfolio of ten screenprints"? Does this mean it was originally part of a portfolio of ten prints that have since been split up? If so were they ten all the same or ten different? please excuse my ignorance but I have seen this phrase a few times today and I don't understand exactly what it means...
very nice etched - please can you explain the "portfolio of ten screenprints"? Does this mean it was originally part of a portfolio of ten prints that have since been split up? If so were they ten all the same or ten different? please excuse my ignorance but I have seen this phrase a few times today and I don't understand exactly what it means...
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by etched on Apr 6, 2010 23:55:48 GMT 1, very nice etched - please can you explain the "portfolio of ten screenprints"? Does this mean it was originally part of a portfolio of ten prints that have since been split up? If so were they ten all the same or ten different? please excuse my ignorance but I have seen this phrase a few times today and I don't understand exactly what it means...
there are ten different images in the portfolio - ten different ladies, 125 in each edition- dont think they were originally a set
heres the whole series
www.warholprints.com/portfolio/Ladies.Gentlemen.html
very nice etched - please can you explain the "portfolio of ten screenprints"? Does this mean it was originally part of a portfolio of ten prints that have since been split up? If so were they ten all the same or ten different? please excuse my ignorance but I have seen this phrase a few times today and I don't understand exactly what it means... there are ten different images in the portfolio - ten different ladies, 125 in each edition- dont think they were originally a set heres the whole series www.warholprints.com/portfolio/Ladies.Gentlemen.html |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by spirit on Apr 7, 2010 0:08:01 GMT 1, OK thanks, I think I understand...so "portfolio of ten" essentially means "there are 10 variations on this theme"
I think yours is the nicest of the ten by the way...it's kind of a shame they are signed on the back!
OK thanks, I think I understand...so "portfolio of ten" essentially means "there are 10 variations on this theme"
I think yours is the nicest of the ten by the way...it's kind of a shame they are signed on the back!
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by etched on Apr 7, 2010 0:14:55 GMT 1, OK thanks, I think I understand...so "portfolio of ten" essentially means "there are 10 variations on this theme" I think yours is the nicest of the ten by the way...it's kind of a shame they are signed on the back!
thanks, shes a lady  i have a few old prints(not warhols) signed on the back- seems that was a way of signing
OK thanks, I think I understand...so "portfolio of ten" essentially means "there are 10 variations on this theme" I think yours is the nicest of the ten by the way...it's kind of a shame they are signed on the back! thanks, shes a lady i have a few old prints(not warhols) signed on the back- seems that was a way of signing |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by aspyhole on Apr 7, 2010 1:18:16 GMT 1, Interesting discussion guys.
I was trying to find for you an article about his catalogue, and his estate, who are going round de-certificating loads of prints which were apparently "not carried out by Warhol".
Apparently they have been calling people's new purchases in for "cataloguing purposes" and then stamping them with a big red stamp on the back saying something like "withdrawn".
Seems to have been a nightmare for those buying for investment (I suppose a large proportion of Warhol collectors).
Anybody else come across this article and remember where it was?
A
Interesting discussion guys.
I was trying to find for you an article about his catalogue, and his estate, who are going round de-certificating loads of prints which were apparently "not carried out by Warhol".
Apparently they have been calling people's new purchases in for "cataloguing purposes" and then stamping them with a big red stamp on the back saying something like "withdrawn".
Seems to have been a nightmare for those buying for investment (I suppose a large proportion of Warhol collectors).
Anybody else come across this article and remember where it was?
A
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by They call me Stephen on Apr 7, 2010 1:35:02 GMT 1, Do you mean this documentary aspyhole?? Pretty interesting watch nevertheless.
Do you mean this documentary aspyhole?? Pretty interesting watch nevertheless.
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by discoduster on Apr 7, 2010 7:13:46 GMT 1, Excellent info there.
I think I'm going to try and source a second hand Sunday B Morning print.
I was never intending to purchase as an investment but just wanted something more than a regular poster.
The Sunday prints appear to be high quality screenprints which is always nicer than a litho 
Excellent info there. I think I'm going to try and source a second hand Sunday B Morning print. I was never intending to purchase as an investment but just wanted something more than a regular poster. The Sunday prints appear to be high quality screenprints which is always nicer than a litho |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by darrenrapley on Apr 7, 2010 7:22:05 GMT 1, Good luck on the hunt
Good luck on the hunt
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by dodomank01 on Apr 29, 2010 12:49:17 GMT 1, Hi there,
Thought i would list this on here, it is an original Andy Warhol Signed and numbered print of edition 250 with full provenance and receipts of purchase. I have pics of the signature etc to those interested. It is in mint condition as it has been stored away in LA for 40 years....Unframed at present, though heading to London as we speak to be framed.
Any interest send me a message...no time wasters as i will not reply to senseless emails.
ps this is the actual piece in the pic below!! email me on
dodomank@hotmail.com for full details and pics/prices
pps. Please do not ask me if it comes with a COA, Warhol Soupcans unlike Banksy's etc do not come with COA's, COA's for Warhols are not worth the paper they are written on!! unless it comes from the Warhol Foundation. The Warhol Foundation has never authenticated a soupcan print. You will not get an authentic COA with a soupcan....FACT.And please make offer if interested as not wasting any more of my time giving out price for people to not reply.....sounds harsh but you all know how it is..
thanks
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Hi there, Thought i would list this on here, it is an original Andy Warhol Signed and numbered print of edition 250 with full provenance and receipts of purchase. I have pics of the signature etc to those interested. It is in mint condition as it has been stored away in LA for 40 years....Unframed at present, though heading to London as we speak to be framed. Any interest send me a message...no time wasters as i will not reply to senseless emails. ps this is the actual piece in the pic below!! email me on dodomank@hotmail.com for full details and pics/prices pps. Please do not ask me if it comes with a COA, Warhol Soupcans unlike Banksy's etc do not come with COA's, COA's for Warhols are not worth the paper they are written on!! unless it comes from the Warhol Foundation. The Warhol Foundation has never authenticated a soupcan print. You will not get an authentic COA with a soupcan....FACT.And please make offer if interested as not wasting any more of my time giving out price for people to not reply.....sounds harsh but you all know how it is.. thanks Attachments:
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by llkoolj on Apr 29, 2010 15:25:31 GMT 1, is there a ball park figure so at least nobody will waste your time??? eyestorm had one for sale very recently for ยฃ15,500 it was pepper pot edition of 250
is there a ball park figure so at least nobody will waste your time??? eyestorm had one for sale very recently for ยฃ15,500 it was pepper pot edition of 250
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by dodomank01 on Apr 29, 2010 15:36:37 GMT 1, im looking a good bit less than that if thats any use mate??
im looking a good bit less than that if thats any use mate??
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by dodomank01 on Apr 29, 2010 15:38:41 GMT 1, also Eyestorm are looking ยฃ18k for this one!!
also Eyestorm are looking ยฃ18k for this one!!
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by Photoxtc on Apr 29, 2010 15:48:06 GMT 1, Just out of curiosity, why hasn't the Foundation ever authenticated a soup can??
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't the Foundation ever authenticated a soup can??
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by Harveyn on Apr 29, 2010 15:51:26 GMT 1, Just out of curiosity, why hasn't the Foundation ever authenticated a soup can??
Come on Lee your a bit slow today... ;D
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't the Foundation ever authenticated a soup can?? Come on Lee your a bit slow today... ;D |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by Photoxtc on Apr 29, 2010 16:03:36 GMT 1, anyone "really" interested in this should contact the foundation, they are very helpful and a pleasure to deal with, just not sure why they haven't or wouldn't authenticate soup cans, seems odd to me, but maybe there's a legitimate reason for this, which I would love to know...
anyone "really" interested in this should contact the foundation, they are very helpful and a pleasure to deal with, just not sure why they haven't or wouldn't authenticate soup cans, seems odd to me, but maybe there's a legitimate reason for this, which I would love to know...
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by dodomank01 on Apr 29, 2010 16:05:19 GMT 1, they only authenticate originals, or unsigned works from the studio eg some trial proofs or unique prints.
If you think of how many they would have to authenticate and the process it would be nearly impossible as
no records would exist as to who they were sold on to by the distributors.
they only authenticate originals, or unsigned works from the studio eg some trial proofs or unique prints.
If you think of how many they would have to authenticate and the process it would be nearly impossible as
no records would exist as to who they were sold on to by the distributors.
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by Photoxtc on Apr 29, 2010 16:21:07 GMT 1, that's why they do it on a very limited basis (3 times per year), you apply to have a piece authenticated and as stated only a limited amount per year get accepted... I'll have to dig up my correspondence with them but the piece I was in talks with them about was a signed and numbered print and they had no problem with that... I can only go by my dealing with them and the particular piece I was going to present...
the best thing to do if interested is contact them directly, info is always best when in comes straight from the horses mouth...
Here's the Link to The Andy Warhol Art Authentication Board, if anyone is interested.... www.warholfoundation.org/legacy/authentication_procedure.html
that's why they do it on a very limited basis (3 times per year), you apply to have a piece authenticated and as stated only a limited amount per year get accepted... I'll have to dig up my correspondence with them but the piece I was in talks with them about was a signed and numbered print and they had no problem with that... I can only go by my dealing with them and the particular piece I was going to present... the best thing to do if interested is contact them directly, info is always best when in comes straight from the horses mouth... Here's the Link to The Andy Warhol Art Authentication Board, if anyone is interested.... www.warholfoundation.org/legacy/authentication_procedure.html |
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by lee3 on Apr 29, 2010 16:32:52 GMT 1, >>>Come on Lee your a bit slow today... <<<
ha ha.
I too was under the impression that the Foundation never deals with prints but Photox has said otherwise in the past. I can attest to the fact that they are incredibly helpful and nice to deal with. There isn't much left in the way of canvases and that's been true for a good 5+ years now but Vincent Freemont is the name to ask for in that department. TIm Hunt handles prints or unique prints and last we spoke they still had a few unique Mao's and electric chairs on paper but the price was steep and the quality of the pull was poor. Their public number is 212-387-7555 and they are always there to help. Good luck with the sale Dodo
>>>Come on Lee your a bit slow today... <<<
ha ha.
I too was under the impression that the Foundation never deals with prints but Photox has said otherwise in the past. I can attest to the fact that they are incredibly helpful and nice to deal with. There isn't much left in the way of canvases and that's been true for a good 5+ years now but Vincent Freemont is the name to ask for in that department. TIm Hunt handles prints or unique prints and last we spoke they still had a few unique Mao's and electric chairs on paper but the price was steep and the quality of the pull was poor. Their public number is 212-387-7555 and they are always there to help. Good luck with the sale Dodo
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by Wearology on Apr 29, 2010 17:16:56 GMT 1, When it comes to anything Andy Warhol and it is not authenticated by the foundation be
VERY CAREFUL. I am not insinuating that this person is trying to sell something that is not 100% authentic - but when it comes to certain artists from that era WARHOL & HARING especially "COVEAT EMPTOR" my friends.
When it comes to anything Andy Warhol and it is not authenticated by the foundation be
VERY CAREFUL. I am not insinuating that this person is trying to sell something that is not 100% authentic - but when it comes to certain artists from that era WARHOL & HARING especially "COVEAT EMPTOR" my friends.
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i have a few old prints(not warhols) signed on the back- seems that was a way of signing 
