Tiki
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 4, 2008 13:59:41 GMT 1, Well yea because there differnt
Well yea because there differnt
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One offs, Originals?, by humanmale on Aug 4, 2008 16:55:41 GMT 1, Well yea because there differnt
But are they 'one-offs'?
Well yea because there differnt But are they 'one-offs'?
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 4, 2008 17:00:45 GMT 1, Well if there not the same, (be it only a differnt colour) and theres only one of each, then yes there one offs.
Well if there not the same, (be it only a differnt colour) and theres only one of each, then yes there one offs.
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One offs, Originals?, by nattymatt on Aug 4, 2008 17:22:21 GMT 1, hmm...i beg to differ...i think anyway The Banksy Marillyns they're the same but different colours ...are they classed as one offs? I would say that if its the same image in different colours ...thats a limited run...right?
hmm...i beg to differ...i think anyway The Banksy Marillyns they're the same but different colours ...are they classed as one offs? I would say that if its the same image in different colours ...thats a limited run...right?
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One offs, Originals?, by humanmale on Aug 4, 2008 17:26:48 GMT 1, Well if there not the same, (be it only a differnt colour) and theres only one of each, then yes there one offs.
Is it not the same image but in different colours? Part of a series rather than made only once.
Well if there not the same, (be it only a differnt colour) and theres only one of each, then yes there one offs. Is it not the same image but in different colours? Part of a series rather than made only once.
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 4, 2008 18:16:55 GMT 1, Yes but technically however many versions there are, if theres only one of it it is unique
Yes but technically however many versions there are, if theres only one of it it is unique
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One offs, Originals?, by mishco on Aug 4, 2008 18:26:14 GMT 1, so does that make the vhils prints one off's or the ny failes 1/1 because they're all handpainted differently even though they're an edition of 12. overrun of happens everyday for example...
so does that make the vhils prints one off's or the ny failes 1/1 because they're all handpainted differently even though they're an edition of 12. overrun of happens everyday for example...
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 4, 2008 18:28:44 GMT 1, I suppose it's obviously going to vary to a degree, you could also say that about mau mau's "dont care bear" as they are all hand finished of an edition of 45.
I suppose it's obviously going to vary to a degree, you could also say that about mau mau's "dont care bear" as they are all hand finished of an edition of 45.
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One offs, Originals?, by humanmale on Aug 4, 2008 19:58:05 GMT 1, Yes but technically however many versions there are, if theres only one of it it is unique
I didnt ask if it was unique.
The question is - is it one off? If there are several versions of the same image but in different colours how can it be a one off?
Yes but technically however many versions there are, if theres only one of it it is unique I didnt ask if it was unique. The question is - is it one off? If there are several versions of the same image but in different colours how can it be a one off?
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 4, 2008 20:57:29 GMT 1, Well i would personally define the term "one-off" as being "one-of" as in one of a kind, from there on it has to be down to each indervidual's interpretation. The english language is a complicated old thing.
Well i would personally define the term "one-off" as being "one-of" as in one of a kind, from there on it has to be down to each indervidual's interpretation. The english language is a complicated old thing.
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One offs, Originals?, by meatbag on Aug 5, 2008 3:04:38 GMT 1, Not to make this more complicated but I was told by the Jonathine Levine gallery that size also matters. Parden the pun. I personally don't like this concept but JL said an artist can re-release an identical image at a different size and be still considered unique.
Not to make this more complicated but I was told by the Jonathine Levine gallery that size also matters. Parden the pun. I personally don't like this concept but JL said an artist can re-release an identical image at a different size and be still considered unique.
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One offs, Originals?, by jonpud on Aug 5, 2008 9:12:54 GMT 1, I am shit at maths so perhaps someone can help me here;
There are 26 letters in the alphabet, if each one was painted a different colour and one letter was changed to one of the other colours per original untill all the letters had been all the colours then I reckon that makes 17,576 'originals'!!??
Sorry but these aint originals IMO, they are an edition of 2 in different colors, however each one is original in its colour scheme!
I am shit at maths so perhaps someone can help me here; There are 26 letters in the alphabet, if each one was painted a different colour and one letter was changed to one of the other colours per original untill all the letters had been all the colours then I reckon that makes 17,576 'originals'!!?? Sorry but these aint originals IMO, they are an edition of 2 in different colors, however each one is original in its colour scheme!
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 5, 2008 14:15:58 GMT 1, I agree with PUD to a degree but i think youve got to give it some movement. Agreed that there could be 17,576 versions but there isnt theres only 2. If there was 3+ i think i would put it in the same catagory as SPQR's cans. I think its probably one-of-a-kind but not unique and god knows about original, but then again you could argue both sides. Once again its down to our mother tongue i recon. I suppose you have to define each term with 100% acuracy to be sure.
I agree with PUD to a degree but i think youve got to give it some movement. Agreed that there could be 17,576 versions but there isnt theres only 2. If there was 3+ i think i would put it in the same catagory as SPQR's cans. I think its probably one-of-a-kind but not unique and god knows about original, but then again you could argue both sides. Once again its down to our mother tongue i recon. I suppose you have to define each term with 100% acuracy to be sure.
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One offs, Originals?, by meatbag on Aug 5, 2008 14:19:58 GMT 1, do you think the impressionism art movement had this issue?
do you think the impressionism art movement had this issue?
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 5, 2008 14:28:05 GMT 1, No i think the 19th centuary art movement was very different. The sudden change in the look of these paintings was brought about by a change in methodology: applying paint in small touches of pure colour rather than broader strokes, and painting out of doors to catch a particular fleeting impression of colour and light. The result was to emphasise the artist's perception of the subject matter as much as the subject itself. I think because of this technique each piece was truely unique and original. ;D
No i think the 19th centuary art movement was very different. The sudden change in the look of these paintings was brought about by a change in methodology: applying paint in small touches of pure colour rather than broader strokes, and painting out of doors to catch a particular fleeting impression of colour and light. The result was to emphasise the artist's perception of the subject matter as much as the subject itself. I think because of this technique each piece was truely unique and original. ;D
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One offs, Originals?, by carlito on Aug 5, 2008 14:39:37 GMT 1, if the image is identical in size and shape, but is a different colour it is termed a colourway to my mind i.e. unique in that colour but not original as it is identical to others apart from the colour, the same holds true for 'hand finishing', it may make it unique (i.e. not another completely identical) but does not make it an original/ one off is essentially 'one of a kind' it has features other than colour / finishing that make it separate to all others
if the image is identical in size and shape, but is a different colour it is termed a colourway to my mind i.e. unique in that colour but not original as it is identical to others apart from the colour, the same holds true for 'hand finishing', it may make it unique (i.e. not another completely identical) but does not make it an original/ one off is essentially 'one of a kind' it has features other than colour / finishing that make it separate to all others
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One offs, Originals?, by meatbag on Aug 5, 2008 14:56:51 GMT 1, sorry relay.... I was being sarcastic.
sorry relay.... I was being sarcastic.
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One offs, Originals?, by Tiki on Aug 5, 2008 14:58:12 GMT 1, lol i know meatbag i copy pasted all of that from a website ;D
lol i know meatbag i copy pasted all of that from a website ;D
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