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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by hitme on Aug 6, 2008 22:50:59 GMT 1, I was thinking about it and Banksy must be one of the few big-time artists in this urban art scene that releases unsigned prints. It has never bothered me, because it gives collectors at all levels (big or small budgets) to acquire a print that fits into their price-range. However, is releasing unsigned prints a common practice for many of the big names of today and past? i.e. Did Warhol release unsigned prints? I have not followed the print edition specifics of other significant artists in history that much. And for the bigger name artists of the past, how do their unsigned prints stack up value-wise versus the possible signed print in the same run?
I was thinking about it and Banksy must be one of the few big-time artists in this urban art scene that releases unsigned prints. It has never bothered me, because it gives collectors at all levels (big or small budgets) to acquire a print that fits into their price-range. However, is releasing unsigned prints a common practice for many of the big names of today and past? i.e. Did Warhol release unsigned prints? I have not followed the print edition specifics of other significant artists in history that much. And for the bigger name artists of the past, how do their unsigned prints stack up value-wise versus the possible signed print in the same run?
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by meatbag on Aug 6, 2008 23:47:49 GMT 1, unsigned artwork is extremely common going all the way back to the old masters
unsigned artwork is extremely common going all the way back to the old masters
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by hitme on Aug 7, 2008 0:04:49 GMT 1, ^ just out of curiosity, who are the "old masters" you speak of?
^ just out of curiosity, who are the "old masters" you speak of?
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by meatbag on Aug 7, 2008 0:22:15 GMT 1, Picasso, Rembrandt, Renoir, Monet, etc. Probably one of the most famous paintings of all time... Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci is unsigned.
Picasso, Rembrandt, Renoir, Monet, etc. Probably one of the most famous paintings of all time... Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci is unsigned.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by hitme on Aug 7, 2008 1:01:06 GMT 1, Picasso, Rembrandt, Renoir, Monet, etc. Probably one of the most famous paintings of all time... Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci is unsigned.
Interesting.
But don't you think unsigned prints and unsigned paintings are two different stories. At least you know that the artist had some hand (no pun intended) in the unsigned painting. Signed prints, in the same way, at least the artist touched them when signing and had some role in the finished product. The unsigned prints on the other hand are missing that extra element of the artist contributing to what you have. Sure, the image is their product. Just curious how the unsigned prints are/will be viewed in time (or are viewed today for artists of the past). I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how unsigned prints are historically viewed in the art world. Thanks for the help!
Picasso, Rembrandt, Renoir, Monet, etc. Probably one of the most famous paintings of all time... Mona Lisa by Leonardo Da Vinci is unsigned. Interesting. But don't you think unsigned prints and unsigned paintings are two different stories. At least you know that the artist had some hand (no pun intended) in the unsigned painting. Signed prints, in the same way, at least the artist touched them when signing and had some role in the finished product. The unsigned prints on the other hand are missing that extra element of the artist contributing to what you have. Sure, the image is their product. Just curious how the unsigned prints are/will be viewed in time (or are viewed today for artists of the past). I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how unsigned prints are historically viewed in the art world. Thanks for the help! |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by jB on Aug 7, 2008 1:24:43 GMT 1, hitme -- you bring up an interesting side to the banksy prints -- I love the images, so dont mind having some unsigned in my collection -- however, the reason I have those is only due to what I could afford at the time of getting them. I love them all and have them all hanging proudly, I just never really thought of how they will be looked at in the future. I would hope they retain some value based on being limited, especially since there hasn't been much new work (via canvases and other prints available)
hitme -- you bring up an interesting side to the banksy prints -- I love the images, so dont mind having some unsigned in my collection -- however, the reason I have those is only due to what I could afford at the time of getting them. I love them all and have them all hanging proudly, I just never really thought of how they will be looked at in the future. I would hope they retain some value based on being limited, especially since there hasn't been much new work (via canvases and other prints available)
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Guest on Aug 7, 2008 1:27:59 GMT 1, signed prints always go for a premium, by living artists, usually 2 or 3 times the amount of their unsigned counterparts. prints have been signed since the 1930s when a Parisian art dealer convinced some of his artists to produce reproductions of their work that could be signed and then sold, these artists included Matisse and Picasso. there is a strange fact that artists only signed prints as they were sold in their lifetime leaving the rest of the unsold prints unsigned, these prints are now as valuable as the signed prints. as there is no issue with the prints being unauthorized by the artist.
signed prints always go for a premium, by living artists, usually 2 or 3 times the amount of their unsigned counterparts. prints have been signed since the 1930s when a Parisian art dealer convinced some of his artists to produce reproductions of their work that could be signed and then sold, these artists included Matisse and Picasso. there is a strange fact that artists only signed prints as they were sold in their lifetime leaving the rest of the unsold prints unsigned, these prints are now as valuable as the signed prints. as there is no issue with the prints being unauthorized by the artist.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by meatbag on Aug 7, 2008 2:20:05 GMT 1, signed prints always go for a premium, by living artists, usually 2 or 3 times the amount of their unsigned counterparts. prints have been signed since the 1930s when a Parisian art dealer convinced some of his artists to produce reproductions of their work that could be signed and then sold, these artists included Matisse and Picasso. there is a strange fact that artists only signed prints as they were sold in their lifetime leaving the rest of the unsold prints unsigned, these prints are now as valuable as the signed prints. as there is no issue with the prints being unauthorized by the artist.
good explanation. Logically with proper authenticity unsigned should be the same value as signed so it comes down what you feel more comfortable with purchasing... and how fat your bank account is.
signed prints always go for a premium, by living artists, usually 2 or 3 times the amount of their unsigned counterparts. prints have been signed since the 1930s when a Parisian art dealer convinced some of his artists to produce reproductions of their work that could be signed and then sold, these artists included Matisse and Picasso. there is a strange fact that artists only signed prints as they were sold in their lifetime leaving the rest of the unsold prints unsigned, these prints are now as valuable as the signed prints. as there is no issue with the prints being unauthorized by the artist. good explanation. Logically with proper authenticity unsigned should be the same value as signed so it comes down what you feel more comfortable with purchasing... and how fat your bank account is. |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Pattycakes on Aug 7, 2008 9:41:52 GMT 1, Meatbag n Ron, I have to disagree with you here, whilst it's true that Old Master printmakers didn't sign their work (common practice was for the works to be signed within the plate i.e. a monogram) by the late 19th century it was very much vogue for printmakers to pencil sign their work, indeed collectors very much demanded it, and certainly by the 20th century virtually all master printmakers signed their work - Picasso being very much one of them, the only real instance where this is not the case is with the Vollard suite which was not signed for complicated reasons to do with the publisher of the works Ambroise Vollard who died before the edition was signed by Picasso and the whole project got derailed. The reason for this is it very much gives artist authenticity to the work, and when you have two works by say Picasso, one signed and editioned and one not the signed one is worth considerable more than the unsigned usually double sometimes treble the amount. More often than not unsigned prints are either illustrations from Livres d'artistes, or proofs from printers - what we now call backdoor prints!
I wouldn't buy an unsigned print by any Modern artist, and this goes very much for Banksy, whilst the images are the same of course, the size of the editions he produces really do leave a nasty taste in my mouth, and I very much feel that the only truely valid and valuable portion of his editions are the signed works - I think time will very much prove this point with the value of the signed prints continuing to rise and the unsigned works becoming increasingly less desirable.
Meatbag n Ron, I have to disagree with you here, whilst it's true that Old Master printmakers didn't sign their work (common practice was for the works to be signed within the plate i.e. a monogram) by the late 19th century it was very much vogue for printmakers to pencil sign their work, indeed collectors very much demanded it, and certainly by the 20th century virtually all master printmakers signed their work - Picasso being very much one of them, the only real instance where this is not the case is with the Vollard suite which was not signed for complicated reasons to do with the publisher of the works Ambroise Vollard who died before the edition was signed by Picasso and the whole project got derailed. The reason for this is it very much gives artist authenticity to the work, and when you have two works by say Picasso, one signed and editioned and one not the signed one is worth considerable more than the unsigned usually double sometimes treble the amount. More often than not unsigned prints are either illustrations from Livres d'artistes, or proofs from printers - what we now call backdoor prints!
I wouldn't buy an unsigned print by any Modern artist, and this goes very much for Banksy, whilst the images are the same of course, the size of the editions he produces really do leave a nasty taste in my mouth, and I very much feel that the only truely valid and valuable portion of his editions are the signed works - I think time will very much prove this point with the value of the signed prints continuing to rise and the unsigned works becoming increasingly less desirable.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Richard on Aug 7, 2008 10:25:19 GMT 1, Meatbag n Ron, I have to disagree with you here, whilst it's true that Old Master printmakers didn't sign their work (common practice was for the works to be signed within the plate i.e. a monogram) by the late 19th century it was very much vogue for printmakers to pencil sign their work, indeed collectors very much demanded it, and certainly by the 20th century virtually all master printmakers signed their work - Picasso being very much one of them, the only real instance where this is not the case is with the Vollard suite which was not signed for complicated reasons to do with the publisher of the works Ambroise Vollard who died before the edition was signed by Picasso and the whole project got derailed. The reason for this is it very much gives artist authenticity to the work, and when you have two works by say Picasso, one signed and editioned and one not the signed one is worth considerable more than the unsigned usually double sometimes treble the amount. More often than not unsigned prints are either illustrations from Livres d'artistes, or proofs from printers - what we now call backdoor prints! I wouldn't buy an unsigned print by any Modern artist, and this goes very much for Banksy, whilst the images are the same of course, the size of the editions he produces really do leave a nasty taste in my mouth, and I very much feel that the only truely valid and valuable portion of his editions are the signed works - I think time will very much prove this point with the value of the signed prints continuing to rise and the unsigned works becoming increasingly less desirable.
I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well.
If I had the choice between a signed print or 4 unsigned I would definitely get the 4 unsigned. If there was hand finishing then it is a different matter and I would pay much more to have something unique. However, the ONLY difference between my unsigned Morons (for example) and a signed one is the price in my eyes. I know many disagree but that is how I feel.
Meatbag n Ron, I have to disagree with you here, whilst it's true that Old Master printmakers didn't sign their work (common practice was for the works to be signed within the plate i.e. a monogram) by the late 19th century it was very much vogue for printmakers to pencil sign their work, indeed collectors very much demanded it, and certainly by the 20th century virtually all master printmakers signed their work - Picasso being very much one of them, the only real instance where this is not the case is with the Vollard suite which was not signed for complicated reasons to do with the publisher of the works Ambroise Vollard who died before the edition was signed by Picasso and the whole project got derailed. The reason for this is it very much gives artist authenticity to the work, and when you have two works by say Picasso, one signed and editioned and one not the signed one is worth considerable more than the unsigned usually double sometimes treble the amount. More often than not unsigned prints are either illustrations from Livres d'artistes, or proofs from printers - what we now call backdoor prints! I wouldn't buy an unsigned print by any Modern artist, and this goes very much for Banksy, whilst the images are the same of course, the size of the editions he produces really do leave a nasty taste in my mouth, and I very much feel that the only truely valid and valuable portion of his editions are the signed works - I think time will very much prove this point with the value of the signed prints continuing to rise and the unsigned works becoming increasingly less desirable. I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well. If I had the choice between a signed print or 4 unsigned I would definitely get the 4 unsigned. If there was hand finishing then it is a different matter and I would pay much more to have something unique. However, the ONLY difference between my unsigned Morons (for example) and a signed one is the price in my eyes. I know many disagree but that is how I feel. |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by daz205 on Aug 7, 2008 10:40:56 GMT 1, ok then what about when the edition of signed prints is larger than the edition of unsigned prints eg. sepia morons edition of 300 against LA unsigned version edtion of 100 ?
ok then what about when the edition of signed prints is larger than the edition of unsigned prints eg. sepia morons edition of 300 against LA unsigned version edtion of 100 ?
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by They call me Stephen on Aug 7, 2008 10:48:12 GMT 1, I would have a signed print over an unsigned version any day.
Whilst there is no doubt both will hold/increase in value it is delusional to think that an art investor would pay the same amount for an unsigned print as he would a signed.
I too would probably prefer 4 unsigned Banksyโs over 1 signed for the simple reality of quantity but would not expect these to hold value like their signer counterparts would.
Essentially it all boils down to supply and demand. There is lower supply of signed prints and a greater demand, you do the math! ;D
I would have a signed print over an unsigned version any day.
Whilst there is no doubt both will hold/increase in value it is delusional to think that an art investor would pay the same amount for an unsigned print as he would a signed.
I too would probably prefer 4 unsigned Banksyโs over 1 signed for the simple reality of quantity but would not expect these to hold value like their signer counterparts would.
Essentially it all boils down to supply and demand. There is lower supply of signed prints and a greater demand, you do the math! ;D
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Richard on Aug 7, 2008 11:05:05 GMT 1, I would have a signed print over an unsigned version any day. Whilst there is no doubt both will hold/increase in value it is delusional to think that an art investor would pay the same amount for an unsigned print as he would a signed. I too would probably prefer 4 unsigned Banksyโs over 1 signed for the simple reality of quantity but would not expect these to hold value like their signer counterparts would. Essentially it all boils down to supply and demand. There is lower supply of signed prints and a greater demand, you do the math! ;D
True - but it is relative. If you have a signed you only supply one. If you have unsigned you can supply four.
I would have a signed print over an unsigned version any day. Whilst there is no doubt both will hold/increase in value it is delusional to think that an art investor would pay the same amount for an unsigned print as he would a signed. I too would probably prefer 4 unsigned Banksyโs over 1 signed for the simple reality of quantity but would not expect these to hold value like their signer counterparts would. Essentially it all boils down to supply and demand. There is lower supply of signed prints and a greater demand, you do the math! ;D True - but it is relative. If you have a signed you only supply one. If you have unsigned you can supply four. |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by rosstierney on Aug 7, 2008 11:33:35 GMT 1, I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well. bollocks. there's been a 35% fall in value for banksy signed & unsigned prints since may. you only think the unsigned prints are holding their value because they weren't particularly high (in comparison) in the first place. i expect values to rise again come september & i'd like to be referred back to this thread come november.
I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well. bollocks. there's been a 35% fall in value for banksy signed & unsigned prints since may. you only think the unsigned prints are holding their value because they weren't particularly high (in comparison) in the first place. i expect values to rise again come september & i'd like to be referred back to this thread come november. |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by rosstierney on Aug 7, 2008 11:40:08 GMT 1, if you swapped or sold a signed banksy print to fund three or four unsigned banksy prints do you not think, even over time, those three or four unsigned prints would still be worth the signed?
if you swapped or sold a signed banksy print to fund three or four unsigned banksy prints do you not think, even over time, those three or four unsigned prints would still be worth the signed?
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Richard on Aug 7, 2008 11:54:20 GMT 1, I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well. bollocks. there's been a 35% fall in value for banksy signed & unsigned prints since may. you only think the unsigned prints are holding their value because they weren't particularly high (in comparison) in the first place. Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%.
I disagree - the price difference between signed and unsigned prints is getting smaller (in the case of Banksy anyway). Signed prints (most) are falling in value whilst unsigned are holding their value reasonably well. bollocks. there's been a 35% fall in value for banksy signed & unsigned prints since may. you only think the unsigned prints are holding their value because they weren't particularly high (in comparison) in the first place. Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%. |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Pattycakes on Aug 7, 2008 12:03:12 GMT 1, The prices are all over the place to be frank. The market is really only just finding it's feet and I do not think we'll see a true picture of what the long term value of his prints (signed vs unsigned) will be for a few years yet. If it's anything like any other 20th century artist then the signed works will be wroth at least 100% more than the unsigned ones, and I see no reason why Banksy's work should be any different.
The prices are all over the place to be frank. The market is really only just finding it's feet and I do not think we'll see a true picture of what the long term value of his prints (signed vs unsigned) will be for a few years yet. If it's anything like any other 20th century artist then the signed works will be wroth at least 100% more than the unsigned ones, and I see no reason why Banksy's work should be any different.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by howlinhooker on Aug 7, 2008 12:03:44 GMT 1, its all in the print ........i always only wanted signed but now if i like the image ill buy it without being signed .........i turned down unsigned bombhugger at pow for ยฃ75 back in the day as they had sold all the signed ...........now im without that image due to not being signed !!!!!!
its all in the print ........i always only wanted signed but now if i like the image ill buy it without being signed .........i turned down unsigned bombhugger at pow for ยฃ75 back in the day as they had sold all the signed ...........now im without that image due to not being signed !!!!!!
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by rosstierney on Aug 7, 2008 12:10:31 GMT 1, Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%. i said since may
Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%. i said since may |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Richard on Aug 7, 2008 12:22:30 GMT 1, Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%. i said since may You said what I said was bollocks then YOU said since May it has not been the case. I never mentioned May. I was talking about longer term trends. How can you look at a trend over 3 months? It's like me saying it it is always hot in Dubai and you turn round and say, "Bollocks - one day three years ago there was snow".
Wrong - when I first got into Banksy you could get something like a Flags for ยฃ400 or Morons for ยฃ450. Signed prints were close to ยฃ5k for something like J&J or White Morons. Since then the signed values have fallen by around 40%ish and unsigned have risen by around 50%. i said since may You said what I said was bollocks then YOU said since May it has not been the case. I never mentioned May. I was talking about longer term trends. How can you look at a trend over 3 months? It's like me saying it it is always hot in Dubai and you turn round and say, "Bollocks - one day three years ago there was snow". |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by rosstierney on Aug 7, 2008 12:47:44 GMT 1, You said what I said was bollocks then YOU said since May it has not been the case. I never mentioned May. I was talking about longer term trends. How can you look at a trend over 3 months? It's like me saying it it is always hot in Dubai and you turn round and say, "Bollocks - one day three years ago there was snow". my apologies. i thought you were referring to the current state of the market hence why i was looking at a 3 month trend. but at the same time, how can you look at a longer term trend when the market was in it's infancy? it's since exploded bringing the inevitable increase in prices. it's like me saying x print is worth ยฃx and you turn round and say, "bollocks - one day x years ago x print sat unsold on pow".
You said what I said was bollocks then YOU said since May it has not been the case. I never mentioned May. I was talking about longer term trends. How can you look at a trend over 3 months? It's like me saying it it is always hot in Dubai and you turn round and say, "Bollocks - one day three years ago there was snow". my apologies. i thought you were referring to the current state of the market hence why i was looking at a 3 month trend. but at the same time, how can you look at a longer term trend when the market was in it's infancy? it's since exploded bringing the inevitable increase in prices. it's like me saying x print is worth ยฃx and you turn round and say, "bollocks - one day x years ago x print sat unsold on pow". |
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by zulu on Aug 7, 2008 13:23:20 GMT 1,
It's an interesting notion and one I've been kicking around in my head for sometime.
Where I have got to is this...
Unsigned Banksy are an accessible way into the market because of both their value and the volume available.
Signed Banksy are more of an connoisseur's choice... because if you were just buying for the image then an unsigned is exactly the same, but for those in the know only a signed will do (... arguably).
Which leaves me with two questions...
1. Why do you want the print? Is it to hang on your wall and/or make money on in the long term 5 - 10 years (... are you a serious collector?) or are you fairly new to it, want it on your wall and like the idea that you will (probably) double it's value in the next year or two (... is this a bit of a hobby).
2. If you are the later and you are looking to make a bit of money in the next couple of years, I think the big question is really "Are Banksy prints going to make it into the hands of the serious bonafide art dealers / collectors or will they stay in the domain of joe public with a bit of disposable income?
If you believe the later, then I would suggest that unsigned prints are the better investment opportunity going forward because signed prints are going to become inaccessible to the masses and as such their grow will start to slow, where as unsigned will continue to be bought by those new to the scene or the trend.
I imagine that unsigned prints will eventually end up being worth between 30 - 40% less than signed. As apposed to the 300 - 400% that they currently are. (This is based on pop art trends, I couldn't find a better proxy)
I think the current market conditions and resulting sales prices support this.
What do others think?
p.s. I've never sold a Banksy and try to collect signed when budget allows. I was just thinking about this the other day.
It's an interesting notion and one I've been kicking around in my head for sometime.
Where I have got to is this...
Unsigned Banksy are an accessible way into the market because of both their value and the volume available.
Signed Banksy are more of an connoisseur's choice... because if you were just buying for the image then an unsigned is exactly the same, but for those in the know only a signed will do (... arguably).
Which leaves me with two questions...
1. Why do you want the print? Is it to hang on your wall and/or make money on in the long term 5 - 10 years (... are you a serious collector?) or are you fairly new to it, want it on your wall and like the idea that you will (probably) double it's value in the next year or two (... is this a bit of a hobby).
2. If you are the later and you are looking to make a bit of money in the next couple of years, I think the big question is really "Are Banksy prints going to make it into the hands of the serious bonafide art dealers / collectors or will they stay in the domain of joe public with a bit of disposable income?
If you believe the later, then I would suggest that unsigned prints are the better investment opportunity going forward because signed prints are going to become inaccessible to the masses and as such their grow will start to slow, where as unsigned will continue to be bought by those new to the scene or the trend.
I imagine that unsigned prints will eventually end up being worth between 30 - 40% less than signed. As apposed to the 300 - 400% that they currently are. (This is based on pop art trends, I couldn't find a better proxy)
I think the current market conditions and resulting sales prices support this.
What do others think?
p.s. I've never sold a Banksy and try to collect signed when budget allows. I was just thinking about this the other day.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Richard on Aug 7, 2008 13:35:40 GMT 1, Good post Zulu. I agree with all you say. IMO Banksy's prints (signed or unsigned) will most likely stay in the Joe Public domain. For this reason I do not think being signed or not makes that much difference.
Big galleries and museums will be after originals and street work - prints are for you and me.
Good post Zulu. I agree with all you say. IMO Banksy's prints (signed or unsigned) will most likely stay in the Joe Public domain. For this reason I do not think being signed or not makes that much difference.
Big galleries and museums will be after originals and street work - prints are for you and me.
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Banksy & Unsigned Prints, by Michael Jacob on Aug 7, 2008 13:43:35 GMT 1, WOW, some great discussions going on here!
Heres my two cents worth.
I think Banksy prints are tough to compare agains older prints. He is still too new, and his long term value hasnt set in yet. With all the auction catalogs I get in the mail, he is usually in the "urban art" section. As time passes, we wont see these large price fluctuations like we are seeing now. If I had any money, which I dont, Id be buying right now as the prices are great. I agree in a few months they will rise back to their old prices.
As for signed or unsigned, if you look at old artist (warhol, calder, chagall, picasso, matisse, rauschenburg, etc) the signed ones always go for more. People like to know the artist interacted which the print they now own. unsigned prints also have value, but from what Ive seen, there will always be a premium for signed if both are offered in a print. That brings up numbered versus unnumbered, artist proofs, printers proof or my favorite  "outside the edition of..."
Having said all this, Id really like more banksy prints, signed or not!
WOW, some great discussions going on here! Heres my two cents worth. I think Banksy prints are tough to compare agains older prints. He is still too new, and his long term value hasnt set in yet. With all the auction catalogs I get in the mail, he is usually in the "urban art" section. As time passes, we wont see these large price fluctuations like we are seeing now. If I had any money, which I dont, Id be buying right now as the prices are great. I agree in a few months they will rise back to their old prices. As for signed or unsigned, if you look at old artist (warhol, calder, chagall, picasso, matisse, rauschenburg, etc) the signed ones always go for more. People like to know the artist interacted which the print they now own. unsigned prints also have value, but from what Ive seen, there will always be a premium for signed if both are offered in a print. That brings up numbered versus unnumbered, artist proofs, printers proof or my favorite "outside the edition of..." Having said all this, Id really like more banksy prints, signed or not! |
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