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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:37:09 GMT 1, Found this while trying to define the A/P DFACE i have for sale over on the ebay thread, i never knew some of this stuff. Explains why they are considered different and a bit of art history.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_proof
Found this while trying to define the A/P DFACE i have for sale over on the ebay thread, i never knew some of this stuff. Explains why they are considered different and a bit of art history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_proof |
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by Daz on Jul 22, 2008 22:43:14 GMT 1, i'm not quite sure what you didn't know ?
i'm not quite sure what you didn't know ?
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by Daz on Jul 22, 2008 22:45:43 GMT 1, you seem to be a bit of an oracle as far as this scene goes 
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:46:50 GMT 1, well its always been a bit of a strange thing an A/P, is it part of the edition or aint it.
and why is it considered different? Well thats answered my question. Think its been asked a few times.
well its always been a bit of a strange thing an A/P, is it part of the edition or aint it.
and why is it considered different? Well thats answered my question. Think its been asked a few times.
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:47:45 GMT 1, and just for those that done know this is the definition of an oracle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:49:45 GMT 1, i know i saw that, its mental. Ive got a tattoo but would never go to that length
i know i saw that, its mental. Ive got a tattoo but would never go to that length
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by felix on Jul 22, 2008 22:51:18 GMT 1, All I can say is, he better be packing or the girls might giggle.
All I can say is, he better be packing or the girls might giggle.
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:53:04 GMT 1, there is nothing worse when someone takes the piss out of something that has been put on you for life.
So i will say no more except i wonder if he has heard of a saddo
there is nothing worse when someone takes the piss out of something that has been put on you for life.
So i will say no more except i wonder if he has heard of a saddo
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by freemans on Jul 22, 2008 22:53:09 GMT 1, there cant be a bigger d face fan than j boy
there cant be a bigger d face fan than j boy
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by felix on Jul 22, 2008 22:56:31 GMT 1, Ahem, have you seen the link?
Ahem, have you seen the link?
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:57:26 GMT 1, there is always someone that goes one step further for the greater good
there is always someone that goes one step further for the greater good
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by freemans on Jul 22, 2008 22:59:01 GMT 1, that youth wants av a word with himself hey j boy r u jealous
that youth wants av a word with himself hey j boy r u jealous
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 22:59:53 GMT 1, done on the other side he could have called it an a-hole
done on the other side he could have called it an a-hole
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by felix on Jul 22, 2008 23:04:35 GMT 1, Now that would of been great 
Now that would of been great |
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 23:07:56 GMT 1, instead he could call it a p-hole
instead he could call it a p-hole
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by slowmo on Jul 22, 2008 23:37:15 GMT 1, I hate the a/p in this scene. It stinks of more money to be made and makes me mad. A p/p on the other hand, which never seem to see the light of day, well maybe they should change the a to p and mug people off more.
My understanding of an a/p is a gift, the artist is happy and wants 5-10 to give to friends, outside the series, effectively worthless as they are gifts (or not). In street art the A/P's are all to often put up at a premium by a gallery after the main edition has sold, quite often now justified cos someone pencilled on it, or spilt their tea.
I would be more interested in a P/P where they felt the image did not work and as a result refused the print run, especially if I thought the artist were wrong.
I think wikipedia has the wrong explanation for a/p. I think they mean p/p on the link you provided jboy
I hate the a/p in this scene. It stinks of more money to be made and makes me mad. A p/p on the other hand, which never seem to see the light of day, well maybe they should change the a to p and mug people off more.
My understanding of an a/p is a gift, the artist is happy and wants 5-10 to give to friends, outside the series, effectively worthless as they are gifts (or not). In street art the A/P's are all to often put up at a premium by a gallery after the main edition has sold, quite often now justified cos someone pencilled on it, or spilt their tea.
I would be more interested in a P/P where they felt the image did not work and as a result refused the print run, especially if I thought the artist were wrong.
I think wikipedia has the wrong explanation for a/p. I think they mean p/p on the link you provided jboy
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by bullet on Jul 22, 2008 23:50:46 GMT 1, Collectors also usually prefer final artist's proofs even when they are identical to the main edition; if nothing else the print may have been presented to a friend by the artist. Prints are generally sold as limited editions, with a print being cheaper than a drawing or painting because the artist/gallery makes more money by selling multiples. An artist's proof has special value because of its extra rarity and its possible differences from the "standard" print, factors that are often reflected in its price.
i think its def referring to an a/p, a printers proof can also be looked up on wikipedia
Collectors also usually prefer final artist's proofs even when they are identical to the main edition; if nothing else the print may have been presented to a friend by the artist. Prints are generally sold as limited editions, with a print being cheaper than a drawing or painting because the artist/gallery makes more money by selling multiples. An artist's proof has special value because of its extra rarity and its possible differences from the "standard" print, factors that are often reflected in its price.
i think its def referring to an a/p, a printers proof can also be looked up on wikipedia
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by alsbabar on Jul 23, 2008 0:18:37 GMT 1, did you add that to wikipedia yourself Jboy?
did you add that to wikipedia yourself Jboy?
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by romanywg on Jul 23, 2008 0:46:41 GMT 1, i probably have about a dozen A/P's and they are no different to the main run of the print. But I have a few P/P's and they are totally different and therefore far more collectable.
Here is a recent one. Hush's Graf Geisha 2/2 P/P
i probably have about a dozen A/P's and they are no different to the main run of the print. But I have a few P/P's and they are totally different and therefore far more collectable. Here is a recent one. Hush's Graf Geisha 2/2 P/P |
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by manchestermike on Jul 23, 2008 8:28:21 GMT 1, It's only recently that APs have become worth more. If they are the same as the normal edition then they are worth the same.
We are releasing a print on Thursday / Friday with APs and PPs.
The APs are to be kept by the Artist and Edge Art to do with as they see fit. However if any are sold they are sold at exactly the same price as the normal run.
The PPs are the first prints produced from start to finish by the printer to ensure that the print works and the quality is right. These are signed by the artist then given as gifts to the printer.
It's only recently that APs have become worth more. If they are the same as the normal edition then they are worth the same.
We are releasing a print on Thursday / Friday with APs and PPs.
The APs are to be kept by the Artist and Edge Art to do with as they see fit. However if any are sold they are sold at exactly the same price as the normal run.
The PPs are the first prints produced from start to finish by the printer to ensure that the print works and the quality is right. These are signed by the artist then given as gifts to the printer.
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by steve on Jul 23, 2008 10:23:24 GMT 1, i probably have about a dozen A/P's and they are no different to the main run of the print. But I have a few P/P's and they are totally different and therefore far more collectable. Here is a recent one. Hush's Graf Geisha 2/2 P/P
on the subject of Hush, his AP's are usually (not always) different from the standard run. PP is clearly different from Rom's pic.
If the AP or PP are different from the standard run and typically very low in edition then they are commonly priced higher and can certainly be more collectable.
If they look the same they should be priced the same, and worth the same.
i probably have about a dozen A/P's and they are no different to the main run of the print. But I have a few P/P's and they are totally different and therefore far more collectable. Here is a recent one. Hush's Graf Geisha 2/2 P/P on the subject of Hush, his AP's are usually (not always) different from the standard run. PP is clearly different from Rom's pic. If the AP or PP are different from the standard run and typically very low in edition then they are commonly priced higher and can certainly be more collectable. If they look the same they should be priced the same, and worth the same. |
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by moleman on Jul 23, 2008 22:00:17 GMT 1, from what i have seen APs look the same but a smaller run PPs are even smaller print runs and are normally gifts to the prints hence the name. They all seem to look similar unless they are all hand finished ie hush.
but they probably look similar to another on a long edition as there are only so many different variations that are noticably different.
If you look at the guy who has showed his pp of mau mau portrait itas a complete different colour which is what a pp should be some thing special and different.
I have one pp and since meeting a few printers a think they are very special as gifts from a talented guy/gal to those at the begining aps im still unsure on they are special but not like a pp ( although they are harder to prove provenence.
as for your pp roman i have no comment think the show thing stunk of he who knows gets and you knew. But hey nothing i say will change that you have a nice pentax and until the next camera man comes along you will carry on to get these fantastic prints.
from what i have seen APs look the same but a smaller run PPs are even smaller print runs and are normally gifts to the prints hence the name. They all seem to look similar unless they are all hand finished ie hush.
but they probably look similar to another on a long edition as there are only so many different variations that are noticably different.
If you look at the guy who has showed his pp of mau mau portrait itas a complete different colour which is what a pp should be some thing special and different.
I have one pp and since meeting a few printers a think they are very special as gifts from a talented guy/gal to those at the begining aps im still unsure on they are special but not like a pp ( although they are harder to prove provenence.
as for your pp roman i have no comment think the show thing stunk of he who knows gets and you knew. But hey nothing i say will change that you have a nice pentax and until the next camera man comes along you will carry on to get these fantastic prints.
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DEFINITION OF AN A/P OR ARTISTS PROOF, by moleman on Jul 23, 2008 22:03:18 GMT 1, ps i think aps are worth more as a lower edition as long as it says 1 of 10 example.But that is my choice its nice to see them on your wall ap all the way
ps i think aps are worth more as a lower edition as long as it says 1 of 10 example.But that is my choice its nice to see them on your wall ap all the way
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