moleman
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by moleman on Jun 30, 2008 14:35:58 GMT 1, Right calm down and read below first.
I dont care what you, him, her or anyone does with there art once they have brought it.
I as would many of you love a collection like rillo on the pics page, guess what i cant afford it either. these are two of my other bits of art for an example
The first one i got in a gallery in the sale for 600 quid, it should never been in the sale as its original etsimated price 2500 quid.
The second was a print that cost 295 then and to buy now is 295 now in the right places.
How many people have bought from a gallery and made money, (this is a retorical question) not many i guess. As when you buy from them you buy because its worth what it says and unless the artist booms or dies it will be what worth what you paided for it.
I started off by buying dolks now i can buy and frame neates, walkers and micallef whether it was by buying, borrowing or flipping is my choice.
I now have a love for this art and have ended up buying more expensive in my eyes worth while art to keep till necasary.
Now i get to thee point finally people join this scene every day most i would guess because there is money to be had in the current economy.
Some will progress some are here for the cash but with out there interest there first few months mistakes that cause other prices to rise this scene will go stagnent.
How many young working class people buy the art from galleries not many.
How many middle class middle aged people buy the art at auctions and high street galleries most i would say. If you kill the flippers this scene will grow to be for the middle class and rich people of this world who can go and buy what they want ebay post on here and you say wow what a collection what job do you do.
This scene has and is changing and if pow etc stop the profit margins available in art i think it will suffer, not be better for it. You may not always get what you want but hey sh=t happens my nan always said i want dont alway get. So hate them if you want but without there continued interest only the big boys will survive.
(please excuse my use of words i know there crap and not sure if i got the point across but hey i have not written this much since school)
Right calm down and read below first. I dont care what you, him, her or anyone does with there art once they have brought it. I as would many of you love a collection like rillo on the pics page, guess what i cant afford it either. these are two of my other bits of art for an example The first one i got in a gallery in the sale for 600 quid, it should never been in the sale as its original etsimated price 2500 quid. The second was a print that cost 295 then and to buy now is 295 now in the right places. How many people have bought from a gallery and made money, (this is a retorical question) not many i guess. As when you buy from them you buy because its worth what it says and unless the artist booms or dies it will be what worth what you paided for it. I started off by buying dolks now i can buy and frame neates, walkers and micallef whether it was by buying, borrowing or flipping is my choice. I now have a love for this art and have ended up buying more expensive in my eyes worth while art to keep till necasary. Now i get to thee point finally people join this scene every day most i would guess because there is money to be had in the current economy. Some will progress some are here for the cash but with out there interest there first few months mistakes that cause other prices to rise this scene will go stagnent. How many young working class people buy the art from galleries not many. How many middle class middle aged people buy the art at auctions and high street galleries most i would say. If you kill the flippers this scene will grow to be for the middle class and rich people of this world who can go and buy what they want ebay post on here and you say wow what a collection what job do you do. This scene has and is changing and if pow etc stop the profit margins available in art i think it will suffer, not be better for it. You may not always get what you want but hey sh=t happens my nan always said i want dont alway get. So hate them if you want but without there continued interest only the big boys will survive. (please excuse my use of words i know there crap and not sure if i got the point across but hey i have not written this much since school) |
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 30, 2008 15:27:29 GMT 1, Think I agree  If Artists or Galleries stop people buying the art just coz they fear the buyer might resell it later, would be a very dangerous thing to do  might work for a liddle bit, but in the long run it would damage the Artists involved and the future of the Gallery.
Think I agree If Artists or Galleries stop people buying the art just coz they fear the buyer might resell it later, would be a very dangerous thing to do might work for a liddle bit, but in the long run it would damage the Artists involved and the future of the Gallery. |
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dealersam
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by dealersam on Jun 30, 2008 15:45:25 GMT 1, art is a commodity when all is stripped down. Commodities are wanted, not wanted, bought & sold. It is the very essence of a capitalist market. Unfortunately it is the world in which we live. Art is only a fraction of it, think of everything that is bought & sold. Without it stagnation occurs & the pond goes mouldy!
i love the pieces i buy & that's why i buy them.
i do not condone flipping 3 seconds after a purchase is made.
art is a commodity when all is stripped down. Commodities are wanted, not wanted, bought & sold. It is the very essence of a capitalist market. Unfortunately it is the world in which we live. Art is only a fraction of it, think of everything that is bought & sold. Without it stagnation occurs & the pond goes mouldy!
i love the pieces i buy & that's why i buy them.
i do not condone flipping 3 seconds after a purchase is made.
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dealersam
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by dealersam on Jun 30, 2008 15:46:27 GMT 1, my girlfriend would love that cow piece.
Wanna sell!!!! ;D ;D ;D
my girlfriend would love that cow piece.
Wanna sell!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Heavyconsumer
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 30, 2008 15:47:13 GMT 1, Cool cow - Luke Chueh? Your post is quite unclear when reading. I think while some points are valid, others are less so. As this genre of art becomes ever more prominent in galleries, buyers will be less likely to be those who stop and check out graffiti in the street or as you state, more likely to be those within certain socio-economic groups. As you point out, it's the nature of galleries. I also agree with your point on pricing. I hope that the galleries and artists within this genre do not take an approach which will alienate a large section of the people who supported and propelled the genre to where it now lies at juxtoposition with the fine art world. This was not intended as exclusive art for the rich man in most cases, it was left in public places for all to enjoy. I hope that root is not lost completely, the moment it is, the scene is dead.
However I think you're quite wide of the mark in terms of the flipper effect and it seems you may be writing with a certain bias, based on events that have allowed you to own what you currently do - I'm not judging you, simply inferring what I think you have hinted at. I think it's worth mentioning that "flipping" is a specific act, quite seperate frm "trading up", although certainly the difference can be unclear at times.
Flippers exist, not to provide a service or any other reason than, there is a product which is undersupplied and oversubscribed in the market. If these prints weren't selling out immediately before their interest, they wouldn't be getting involved. The art has become popular based on it's own merit and perhaps certain other aspects of society that provide cultural context, not BECAUSE people realised it was profitable - that is an effect not a cause of popularity. True popularity should surely measured by those who want to own something, not those who only see it as a vehicle to make a quick buck..? That's what I think anyway.
Cool cow - Luke Chueh? Your post is quite unclear when reading. I think while some points are valid, others are less so. As this genre of art becomes ever more prominent in galleries, buyers will be less likely to be those who stop and check out graffiti in the street or as you state, more likely to be those within certain socio-economic groups. As you point out, it's the nature of galleries. I also agree with your point on pricing. I hope that the galleries and artists within this genre do not take an approach which will alienate a large section of the people who supported and propelled the genre to where it now lies at juxtoposition with the fine art world. This was not intended as exclusive art for the rich man in most cases, it was left in public places for all to enjoy. I hope that root is not lost completely, the moment it is, the scene is dead.
However I think you're quite wide of the mark in terms of the flipper effect and it seems you may be writing with a certain bias, based on events that have allowed you to own what you currently do - I'm not judging you, simply inferring what I think you have hinted at. I think it's worth mentioning that "flipping" is a specific act, quite seperate frm "trading up", although certainly the difference can be unclear at times.
Flippers exist, not to provide a service or any other reason than, there is a product which is undersupplied and oversubscribed in the market. If these prints weren't selling out immediately before their interest, they wouldn't be getting involved. The art has become popular based on it's own merit and perhaps certain other aspects of society that provide cultural context, not BECAUSE people realised it was profitable - that is an effect not a cause of popularity. True popularity should surely measured by those who want to own something, not those who only see it as a vehicle to make a quick buck..? That's what I think anyway.
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moleman
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by moleman on Jun 30, 2008 17:20:57 GMT 1, caroline shotton
caroline shotton
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rillo
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by rillo on Jun 30, 2008 17:36:54 GMT 1, I don't think your having a pop at me Moleman but for the record, I have never bought (and couldn't afford to buy) prints from ebay, only from source (pow, eyestorm etc.) and a couple of swaps here and there over the years.
I don't think your having a pop at me Moleman but for the record, I have never bought (and couldn't afford to buy) prints from ebay, only from source (pow, eyestorm etc.) and a couple of swaps here and there over the years.
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moleman
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by moleman on Jun 30, 2008 17:40:06 GMT 1, not going for you bud with a collection like that you could sell one and get me whacked i was talking about some people i met resently loads of cash buying up any thing they could get there hands on.
ps if you get any heads up ill have seconds lol
not going for you bud with a collection like that you could sell one and get me whacked i was talking about some people i met resently loads of cash buying up any thing they could get there hands on.
ps if you get any heads up ill have seconds lol
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by jamesreeve5 on Jun 30, 2008 17:54:28 GMT 1, What will kill off the scene is outpricing the average joe on this forum who buys and sells a combination of primary and secondary market pieces.
What will kill off the scene is outpricing the average joe on this forum who buys and sells a combination of primary and secondary market pieces.
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by bullet on Jun 30, 2008 18:06:33 GMT 1, moleman, was that cow from the gallery near covent garden?
i love that place.
moleman, was that cow from the gallery near covent garden?
i love that place.
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moleman
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will killing flippers kill this art scene?, by moleman on Jun 30, 2008 18:08:02 GMT 1, nope castle galleries there was a print of it
nope castle galleries there was a print of it
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If Artists or Galleries stop people buying the art just coz they fear the buyer might resell it later, would be a very dangerous thing to do 
might work for a liddle bit, but in the long run it would damage the Artists involved and the future of the Gallery. 
