Little Art Book
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December 2007
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What's the Verdict?, by Little Art Book on Jun 10, 2008 22:21:11 GMT 1, What's the Verdict on these woodcut relief prints?
They're from a young Spanish artist called Vilchez. They're made from a combination of woodcut relief and crystal etching onto soft printmaking paper.
Once you see the work gone into these prints I think you'll have to agree that they're pretty special. The main character is embossed onto the paper - even where there isn't ink you can see woodgrain.
Anyway, I thought you might be interested.
Cheers,
LAB
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Entertain Your God. Edition 20. ยฃ250
Final Moment. Edition 20. ยฃ250
Dream of a Geisha. Edition 20. ยฃ250
Krekan. Edition 20. ยฃ250
Well?
What's the Verdict on these woodcut relief prints? They're from a young Spanish artist called Vilchez. They're made from a combination of woodcut relief and crystal etching onto soft printmaking paper. Once you see the work gone into these prints I think you'll have to agree that they're pretty special. The main character is embossed onto the paper - even where there isn't ink you can see woodgrain. Anyway, I thought you might be interested. Cheers, LAB www.littleartbook.comEntertain Your God. Edition 20. ยฃ250 Final Moment. Edition 20. ยฃ250 Dream of a Geisha. Edition 20. ยฃ250 Krekan. Edition 20. ยฃ250 Well? |
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Rourke
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September 2007
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What's the Verdict?, by Rourke on Jun 10, 2008 22:28:01 GMT 1, Love em
Love em
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carl
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What's the Verdict?, by carl on Jun 10, 2008 22:29:34 GMT 1, Awesome. Would like to know more about the process.
Awesome. Would like to know more about the process.
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gilsteph
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What's the Verdict?, by gilsteph on Jun 10, 2008 22:33:00 GMT 1, Really like the detail in Dream Of A Giesha. Any discount for forum members? 
Really like the detail in Dream Of A Giesha. Any discount for forum members? |
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What's the Verdict?, by Opus Underground on Jun 10, 2008 22:35:17 GMT 1, Really Really Like These! ;D
Really Really Like These! ;D
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Little Art Book
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December 2007
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What's the Verdict?, by Little Art Book on Jun 10, 2008 22:38:47 GMT 1, Hi Carl,
Basically, Vilchez uses a woodcut technique to create the main character. He traces his artwork onto a flat block of wood and then proceeds to cut out around the tracing with a really sharp dremel. Once that's done he covers the block with wood and stamps it using a lot of pressure onto the wood.
It's pretty hard to see from the photos but the gangsters are actually embossed onto the paper. If you check out the images closely you can actually see some embossing. He also creates skin texture around the tattoo with the woodblock but without ink.
The tattoos are created using a crystal etching technique and then printed in the same way.
Hi Carl,
Basically, Vilchez uses a woodcut technique to create the main character. He traces his artwork onto a flat block of wood and then proceeds to cut out around the tracing with a really sharp dremel. Once that's done he covers the block with wood and stamps it using a lot of pressure onto the wood.
It's pretty hard to see from the photos but the gangsters are actually embossed onto the paper. If you check out the images closely you can actually see some embossing. He also creates skin texture around the tattoo with the woodblock but without ink.
The tattoos are created using a crystal etching technique and then printed in the same way.
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carl
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What's the Verdict?, by carl on Jun 10, 2008 22:41:21 GMT 1, Flipping hell, thats great. I guess that explains the price. Sounds like alot of work but it really looks amazing.
Flipping hell, thats great. I guess that explains the price. Sounds like alot of work but it really looks amazing.
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What's the Verdict?, by slowmo on Jun 10, 2008 23:11:40 GMT 1, you couldn't see the detail on your site, when I got your newsletter I thought you were having a laugh with your prices for the work. Whilst the work is much better now I can see the detail, I have never heard of this guy (google search has returned nothing either) and seeing as he would have made these anyway, I think they're very expensive, unless of course he is somebody and has a pool of collectors.
Hope that doesn't sound aggressive, but an awful lot of stuff is very ambitiously priced based on the effort to make it on these forums, which I don't think should count as a pricing factor.
EDIT: forgot to give a verdict not based on the pricing. This confuses me that it comes from a spaniard, I see Japanese and american/ Hispanic influence. I would be interested in finding out a little bit more about why he chose to mix up the references.
you couldn't see the detail on your site, when I got your newsletter I thought you were having a laugh with your prices for the work. Whilst the work is much better now I can see the detail, I have never heard of this guy (google search has returned nothing either) and seeing as he would have made these anyway, I think they're very expensive, unless of course he is somebody and has a pool of collectors.
Hope that doesn't sound aggressive, but an awful lot of stuff is very ambitiously priced based on the effort to make it on these forums, which I don't think should count as a pricing factor.
EDIT: forgot to give a verdict not based on the pricing. This confuses me that it comes from a spaniard, I see Japanese and american/ Hispanic influence. I would be interested in finding out a little bit more about why he chose to mix up the references.
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Little Art Book
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December 2007
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What's the Verdict?, by Little Art Book on Jun 11, 2008 18:22:33 GMT 1, Hi Slowmo,
You're right about the pricing and that it shoudn't be based on effort. If something is rubbish then regardless of how long it took to create it's still rubbish. These prints are certainly not rubbish, and I think are priced pretty reasonably for what they are.
As for being confused about the american/hispanic and japanese influences from a Spaniard - why shouldn't he mix it up? Both influences lend themselves really well to the medium he's used - woodcut for the rough gangsters and really detailed etching for the japanese.
I did suggest that he would be better off doing a silkscreen of a flamenco dancer with a bull fighter in the background but he wasn't having it.
Hi Slowmo, You're right about the pricing and that it shoudn't be based on effort. If something is rubbish then regardless of how long it took to create it's still rubbish. These prints are certainly not rubbish, and I think are priced pretty reasonably for what they are. As for being confused about the american/hispanic and japanese influences from a Spaniard - why shouldn't he mix it up? Both influences lend themselves really well to the medium he's used - woodcut for the rough gangsters and really detailed etching for the japanese. I did suggest that he would be better off doing a silkscreen of a flamenco dancer with a bull fighter in the background but he wasn't having it. |
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gozgoz
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September 2007
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What's the Verdict?, by gozgoz on Jun 11, 2008 18:47:23 GMT 1, amazing. these are flippin amazing.
i dont really like the content. im not too big into this whole gangsta thang. but i appreciate the effort and the idea.
amazing. these are flippin amazing.
i dont really like the content. im not too big into this whole gangsta thang. but i appreciate the effort and the idea.
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What's the Verdict?, by menace2sobriety on Jun 11, 2008 20:11:33 GMT 1, He has done well at getting expression into the peices and there is some great detail in there. Process sounds very interesting
ยฃ250 is way too expensive though IMO - i would be interested to know how much they cost to produce? Sure everyone has to earn a crust but still.....
He has done well at getting expression into the peices and there is some great detail in there. Process sounds very interesting
ยฃ250 is way too expensive though IMO - i would be interested to know how much they cost to produce? Sure everyone has to earn a crust but still.....
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What's the Verdict?, by Oliver Winconek on Jun 12, 2008 8:02:13 GMT 1, Nice work, love the embossed look to them. They work well IMO particularly the use of different thickness of line in each piece
Nice work, love the embossed look to them. They work well IMO particularly the use of different thickness of line in each piece
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Heavyconsumer
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What's the Verdict?, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 12, 2008 8:38:52 GMT 1, What GozGoz said! Not my type of image, but very impressive pieces - the detail is brilliant. Great to see something so original!  I guess if people like them enough, then $500 for editions of 20 from an unknown (to me anyway) artist.... Ok I do actually think they're a tad pricey too, especially in the current climate, but as stated, fresh and good-looking prints imo. Verdict - GUILTY!
What GozGoz said! Not my type of image, but very impressive pieces - the detail is brilliant. Great to see something so original! I guess if people like them enough, then $500 for editions of 20 from an unknown (to me anyway) artist.... Ok I do actually think they're a tad pricey too, especially in the current climate, but as stated, fresh and good-looking prints imo. Verdict - GUILTY! |
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beefloaf
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What's the Verdict?, by beefloaf on Jun 12, 2008 16:50:06 GMT 1, IT IS FAR BETTER THAN ALMOST EVERY OTHER "ARTIST" DISCUSSED HERE.
IT IS FAR BETTER THAN ALMOST EVERY OTHER "ARTIST" DISCUSSED HERE.
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What's the Verdict?, by slowmo on Jun 12, 2008 16:52:31 GMT 1, Hi Slowmo, You're right about the pricing and that it shoudn't be based on effort. If something is rubbish then regardless of how long it took to create it's still rubbish. These prints are certainly not rubbish, and I think are priced pretty reasonably for what they are. As for being confused about the american/hispanic and japanese influences from a Spaniard - why shouldn't he mix it up? Both influences lend themselves really well to the medium he's used - woodcut for the rough gangsters and really detailed etching for the japanese. I did suggest that he would be better off doing a silkscreen of a flamenco dancer with a bull fighter in the background but he wasn't having it.
Fair play. I was just wondering if it was linked was all, thinking about gangs which would be the obvious linked with yakuza tattoos.
Hi Slowmo, You're right about the pricing and that it shoudn't be based on effort. If something is rubbish then regardless of how long it took to create it's still rubbish. These prints are certainly not rubbish, and I think are priced pretty reasonably for what they are. As for being confused about the american/hispanic and japanese influences from a Spaniard - why shouldn't he mix it up? Both influences lend themselves really well to the medium he's used - woodcut for the rough gangsters and really detailed etching for the japanese. I did suggest that he would be better off doing a silkscreen of a flamenco dancer with a bull fighter in the background but he wasn't having it. Fair play. I was just wondering if it was linked was all, thinking about gangs which would be the obvious linked with yakuza tattoos. |
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goffy
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What's the Verdict?, by goffy on Jun 12, 2008 17:20:41 GMT 1, I like these a lot but agree that they are way over priced. This seems to be the trend these days, people you have never heard of, or only just heard of, producing prints and canvases and charging way too much for them. Grafter for one is an example. To tell the truth these days it has to be something special for me to spend over ยฃ100, and I haven't paid out that much in months.
I like these a lot but agree that they are way over priced. This seems to be the trend these days, people you have never heard of, or only just heard of, producing prints and canvases and charging way too much for them. Grafter for one is an example. To tell the truth these days it has to be something special for me to spend over ยฃ100, and I haven't paid out that much in months.
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Tiki
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What's the Verdict?, by Tiki on Jun 12, 2008 19:57:45 GMT 1, The detail is great but the stencil work is shit imo!
The detail is great but the stencil work is shit imo!
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Little Art Book
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What's the Verdict?, by Little Art Book on Jun 12, 2008 22:25:17 GMT 1, Hi Relay,
I'm not sure if you've read how they are made, but it's not a stencil. He's cut it out of wood, so I think what you're calling shit is probably woodgrain coming through.
Unless you do realise it's woodblocking and you still think it's shit.
Hi Relay,
I'm not sure if you've read how they are made, but it's not a stencil. He's cut it out of wood, so I think what you're calling shit is probably woodgrain coming through.
Unless you do realise it's woodblocking and you still think it's shit.
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What's the Verdict?, by slowmo on Jun 12, 2008 22:37:10 GMT 1, Mate, here lies what I said, woodblock or stencil, its a choice, it makes no difference? A bit more work, but the end result is what they wanted, so why would you want to charge more for it? Not a dig, but wood cut and stencil are the same, just kinda reverses of one another. Both involve using a blade whittling substrates.
Mate, here lies what I said, woodblock or stencil, its a choice, it makes no difference? A bit more work, but the end result is what they wanted, so why would you want to charge more for it? Not a dig, but wood cut and stencil are the same, just kinda reverses of one another. Both involve using a blade whittling substrates.
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Little Art Book
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What's the Verdict?, by Little Art Book on Jun 12, 2008 22:48:03 GMT 1, Yeah I guess so.
Anyway LAB don't set the price for the artwork the artist do, I'll let you know how they go, maybe we don't sell them right away but they're a good addition to our site.
Stencils that are cut generally only make it onto walls, and maybe a canvas or two. The general screenprint process is an illustrator (or photoshop) file is sent to a separator to split the colours and print off individual films of colour on acetate. These are taken by the screen printer and adjusted for colour bleed, screens are emulsioned and UVed to make the negatives for printing.
But utimately you're right - it's the end result that matters. We'll hopefully have an interview with Vilchez in our next newsletter, so if you've got a question i'm sure he'd be happy to answer
Yeah I guess so.
Anyway LAB don't set the price for the artwork the artist do, I'll let you know how they go, maybe we don't sell them right away but they're a good addition to our site.
Stencils that are cut generally only make it onto walls, and maybe a canvas or two. The general screenprint process is an illustrator (or photoshop) file is sent to a separator to split the colours and print off individual films of colour on acetate. These are taken by the screen printer and adjusted for colour bleed, screens are emulsioned and UVed to make the negatives for printing.
But utimately you're right - it's the end result that matters. We'll hopefully have an interview with Vilchez in our next newsletter, so if you've got a question i'm sure he'd be happy to answer
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I guess if people like them enough, then $500 for editions of 20 from an unknown (to me anyway) artist.... Ok I do actually think they're a tad pricey too, especially in the current climate, but as stated, fresh and good-looking prints imo. Verdict - GUILTY!
