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art critics , by Guest on May 23, 2008 15:46:10 GMT 1, What do you guys think of them? do they know anything about street art? are their opinions on street art valid?
What do you guys think of them? do they know anything about street art? are their opinions on street art valid?
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spirit
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art critics , by spirit on May 23, 2008 16:01:25 GMT 1, Glad you posted this ronhill as I've just been thinking about it after reading that tate article by Ben Lewis, the evening Standard art critic.
My view is that art critics generally don't like street art because it renders their job unnecessary and essentially leaves them redundant. The art critic has traditionally been an "art educated" middle man whose job is to interpret and judge "intellectual" fine art and pass on the meaning to people who don't have the training to understand it themselves.
However, street art does not require this middle man as the meaning is usually pretty straightforward and "normal" people can understand it themselves. Street art is a direct form of communication.
It is no surprise that critics claim that this lack of an "intellectual" element to street art prevents it from being classed as true art. What they probably really mean, but cannot say, is it prevents them from being a necessary part of the communication channel between the piece and it's audience and this naturally worries them.
Personally I do not think that the ability of street art to communicate directly with it's audience is in any way a bad thing or diminishes it's value as art. In fact I think it enhances it. By enabling the audience to interact directly with the piece street art allows people to make their own judgement rather than being influenced by the judgements of "trusted" 3rd parties (critics)
This surely makes street art more RELEVANT to more people than just about any art form that has gone before it and in my view this can only be a good thing.
Glad you posted this ronhill as I've just been thinking about it after reading that tate article by Ben Lewis, the evening Standard art critic.
My view is that art critics generally don't like street art because it renders their job unnecessary and essentially leaves them redundant. The art critic has traditionally been an "art educated" middle man whose job is to interpret and judge "intellectual" fine art and pass on the meaning to people who don't have the training to understand it themselves.
However, street art does not require this middle man as the meaning is usually pretty straightforward and "normal" people can understand it themselves. Street art is a direct form of communication.
It is no surprise that critics claim that this lack of an "intellectual" element to street art prevents it from being classed as true art. What they probably really mean, but cannot say, is it prevents them from being a necessary part of the communication channel between the piece and it's audience and this naturally worries them.
Personally I do not think that the ability of street art to communicate directly with it's audience is in any way a bad thing or diminishes it's value as art. In fact I think it enhances it. By enabling the audience to interact directly with the piece street art allows people to make their own judgement rather than being influenced by the judgements of "trusted" 3rd parties (critics)
This surely makes street art more RELEVANT to more people than just about any art form that has gone before it and in my view this can only be a good thing.
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Bram
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art critics , by Bram on May 23, 2008 16:11:58 GMT 1, Well have a look at this tit. Need I say more. Apparently we are all bereted (spelled wrong) dustbrains www.cherwell.org/cherwell/content/view/7504/118/
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art critics , by Guest on May 23, 2008 16:15:53 GMT 1, nice post spirit. gone are the days of art being elitist, and only appreciated by the educated critic. street art is there for the everyday man and woman in the street to enjoy, and discuss and make their own judgment on what they like and dislike, without being told what's good about art.
nice post spirit. gone are the days of art being elitist, and only appreciated by the educated critic. street art is there for the everyday man and woman in the street to enjoy, and discuss and make their own judgment on what they like and dislike, without being told what's good about art.
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Pistol
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art critics , by Pistol on May 23, 2008 16:20:07 GMT 1, Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it!
Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it!
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angryboy
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art critics , by angryboy on May 23, 2008 16:32:51 GMT 1, I think critics, whether art, restuarant or anything else, don't get paid because they have anything interesting or particularly informed to say on the matter, more just because they're writing types who're willing to take a very pro or very anti stance on the subject matter and write a few hundred words about it.
I think critics, whether art, restuarant or anything else, don't get paid because they have anything interesting or particularly informed to say on the matter, more just because they're writing types who're willing to take a very pro or very anti stance on the subject matter and write a few hundred words about it.
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art critics , by Guest on May 23, 2008 17:04:38 GMT 1, Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it!
too true well at least some of us like to think we are
When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century.
Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it! too true well at least some of us like to think we are When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century.
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Heavyconsumer
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art critics , by Heavyconsumer on May 23, 2008 17:11:45 GMT 1, Spirit, that was an excellent post! Great stuff.
Ron, maybe in 92 years time you'll be proven right! nice thread though, thanks for bringing these articles to the attention of my long distance reading ass! (yes my ass reads)
Spirit, that was an excellent post! Great stuff.
Ron, maybe in 92 years time you'll be proven right! nice thread though, thanks for bringing these articles to the attention of my long distance reading ass! (yes my ass reads)
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art critics , by rurualhick on May 23, 2008 21:24:53 GMT 1, Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it! too true well at least some of us like to think we are When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century.
BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL
Aren't we all art critics? It's just that we don't get paid for it! too true well at least some of us like to think we are When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century. BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL
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rurualhick
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art critics , by rurualhick on May 23, 2008 21:32:49 GMT 1, DON'T DISS SWOON LIKE THAT. 98% OF THE STUFF Y'ALL ADMIRE HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH HER ART.
DON'T DISS SWOON LIKE THAT. 98% OF THE STUFF Y'ALL ADMIRE HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH HER ART.
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jamesreeve5
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art critics , by jamesreeve5 on May 23, 2008 22:00:46 GMT 1, wasn't dissing swoon... ruralhick, I think that is one of the best essays written about an urban artist out there...
wasn't dissing swoon... ruralhick, I think that is one of the best essays written about an urban artist out there...
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art critics , by skelly on May 24, 2008 6:28:30 GMT 1, Fuckin hate critics
Fuckin hate critics
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thesewalls
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art critics , by thesewalls on May 24, 2008 9:05:51 GMT 1, too true well at least some of us like to think we are When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century. BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL
by the numbers (literally the amount of 'art' that has/is being created in the 'street'), this movement is in fact the biggest art movement in the history of our existence. of course there are many other factors...even opinions *cough cough* to take into account, but the ground covered by 'street artists' is something phenomenal. crazy momentum...we'll see where it goes, but i can only see this getting more serious and respected as time passes..bring those "informed reviews" on!
too true well at least some of us like to think we are When are some of these publications and editors going to wake up and write an informed review, that goes beyond scratching the surface of the biggest art movement of the 21st century. BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL by the numbers (literally the amount of 'art' that has/is being created in the 'street'), this movement is in fact the biggest art movement in the history of our existence. of course there are many other factors...even opinions *cough cough* to take into account, but the ground covered by 'street artists' is something phenomenal. crazy momentum...we'll see where it goes, but i can only see this getting more serious and respected as time passes..bring those "informed reviews" on!
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thesewalls
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art critics , by thesewalls on May 24, 2008 9:27:18 GMT 1, the following is a quote from the article mr. ronhill provided at the beginning of the thread.
"You can't criticize it without sounding like a slipperwearing, toffee-nosed art critic. I guess that's why I really don't like it."
i find that statement to be so untrue, and the cause of an opinion to be reached for all the wrong reasons. i can think of several forum members who can criticize the sh*t out of the exhibit/artists/street art without sounding like whateverthefuck. just goes to show this guy has no basis for reflection or juxtaposition...his opinions and thoughts are grounded in a void of knowledge, and a lack of experience with a quite intimate subject. someone, anyone, PRESS RELEASE...maybe the associated press will pick it up
the following is a quote from the article mr. ronhill provided at the beginning of the thread. "You can't criticize it without sounding like a slipperwearing, toffee-nosed art critic. I guess that's why I really don't like it." i find that statement to be so untrue, and the cause of an opinion to be reached for all the wrong reasons. i can think of several forum members who can criticize the sh*t out of the exhibit/artists/street art without sounding like whateverthefuck. just goes to show this guy has no basis for reflection or juxtaposition...his opinions and thoughts are grounded in a void of knowledge, and a lack of experience with a quite intimate subject. someone, anyone, PRESS RELEASE...maybe the associated press will pick it up
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art critics , by Guest on May 24, 2008 13:30:03 GMT 1, BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL by the numbers (literally the amount of 'art' that has/is being created in the 'street'), this movement is in fact the biggest art movement in the history of our existence. of course there are many other factors...even opinions *cough cough* to take into account, but the ground covered by 'street artists' is something phenomenal. crazy momentum...we'll see where it goes, but i can only see this getting more serious and respected as time passes..bring those "informed reviews" on!
Thanks for your well crafted response, much appreciated.
Only time will tell, but lets hope it gets the respect that is so deserved.
BIGGEST ART MOVEMENT HAHAHA. WATCHING TOO MUCH MTV Y'ALL by the numbers (literally the amount of 'art' that has/is being created in the 'street'), this movement is in fact the biggest art movement in the history of our existence. of course there are many other factors...even opinions *cough cough* to take into account, but the ground covered by 'street artists' is something phenomenal. crazy momentum...we'll see where it goes, but i can only see this getting more serious and respected as time passes..bring those "informed reviews" on! Thanks for your well crafted response, much appreciated. Only time will tell, but lets hope it gets the respect that is so deserved.
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