ollys
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by ollys on Apr 27, 2008 22:24:22 GMT 1, I know alot of mainstream contemporary art collectors and more and more they talk about street/urban art. Eventually it is being accepted as an artform.
The media comments on the movement daily. The last time there was so much excitement around in the art world, was back in the early 90s. Urban art shows are being advertised in large publications...eg. Matt small 'Wallpaper Magazine', Hush 'Art Review', Blek 'Swindle'.
Then theres Bonhams and so on....
Has it eventually happened, is this movement really progressing into the mainstream artworld?
I know alot of mainstream contemporary art collectors and more and more they talk about street/urban art. Eventually it is being accepted as an artform.
The media comments on the movement daily. The last time there was so much excitement around in the art world, was back in the early 90s. Urban art shows are being advertised in large publications...eg. Matt small 'Wallpaper Magazine', Hush 'Art Review', Blek 'Swindle'.
Then theres Bonhams and so on....
Has it eventually happened, is this movement really progressing into the mainstream artworld?
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rurualhick
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by rurualhick on Apr 28, 2008 0:04:44 GMT 1, PROBLEM Y'ALL HAVE IS, NO ARTISTIC TALENTS LIKE DFACE GET GROUPED WITH GREATNESS SUCH AS SWOON
PROBLEM Y'ALL HAVE IS, NO ARTISTIC TALENTS LIKE DFACE GET GROUPED WITH GREATNESS SUCH AS SWOON
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by sausageboonwee on Apr 28, 2008 0:09:14 GMT 1, Faile (and co) will be a big story in the art world. Street art is going to become big news in London this summer, the Tate show is high profile in the Tate's calendar at the busiest time of year
Faile (and co) will be a big story in the art world. Street art is going to become big news in London this summer, the Tate show is high profile in the Tate's calendar at the busiest time of year
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by alsbabar on Apr 28, 2008 0:14:11 GMT 1, PROBLEM Y'ALL HAVE IS, NO ARTISTIC TALENTS LIKE DFACE GET GROUPED WITH GREATNESS SUCH AS SWOON
Dface has no artistic talent? you are now talking out of YA'LL arse!!!
PROBLEM Y'ALL HAVE IS, NO ARTISTIC TALENTS LIKE DFACE GET GROUPED WITH GREATNESS SUCH AS SWOON Dface has no artistic talent? you are now talking out of YA'LL arse!!! |
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dealersam
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by dealersam on Apr 28, 2008 14:50:50 GMT 1, i love the fact that for the art establishment to accept Banksy et al graffiti has had to be rebranded 'urban art' &/or 'street art'. It's as if the big art galleries & auction houses must have the word 'art' featured to reassure themselves that they are not putting there money toward what some institutions (the government) are convinced is mindless vandalism!
still it's brought it to a wider audience & that must be comended.
i love the fact that for the art establishment to accept Banksy et al graffiti has had to be rebranded 'urban art' &/or 'street art'. It's as if the big art galleries & auction houses must have the word 'art' featured to reassure themselves that they are not putting there money toward what some institutions (the government) are convinced is mindless vandalism!
still it's brought it to a wider audience & that must be comended.
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by lampsy on Apr 28, 2008 16:48:05 GMT 1, What you're forgetting is that many of the hardcore graffiti writers (likes of the DDS crew) don't accept Banksy as a writer - more a sell out
What you're forgetting is that many of the hardcore graffiti writers (likes of the DDS crew) don't accept Banksy as a writer - more a sell out
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 16:50:58 GMT 1, DDS do accpet Banksy as an artist, but as an out an out graffiti writer he is not up enough on public transport or on tracks and tube lines, thats what it takes to be DDS!
DDS do accpet Banksy as an artist, but as an out an out graffiti writer he is not up enough on public transport or on tracks and tube lines, thats what it takes to be DDS!
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angryboy
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by angryboy on Apr 28, 2008 17:01:07 GMT 1, I was chatting to someone from the Tate recently and they were slating most of this scene. Lots of it's had it's day, Banksy's all been downhill since the Rats and the art world is bored of him already blah, blah, blah. I was pretty drunk at the time though so can't remember what else they said. I seem to remember Blek and Miss Tic getting a lot of praise though. Not that I think they knew what they were talking about particularly, was just interesting to hear from someone from that side's views.
I was chatting to someone from the Tate recently and they were slating most of this scene. Lots of it's had it's day, Banksy's all been downhill since the Rats and the art world is bored of him already blah, blah, blah. I was pretty drunk at the time though so can't remember what else they said. I seem to remember Blek and Miss Tic getting a lot of praise though. Not that I think they knew what they were talking about particularly, was just interesting to hear from someone from that side's views.
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otomi
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by otomi on Apr 28, 2008 17:11:12 GMT 1, I don't think that graffiti is accepted at all in the art world and street art is something different as graffiti
Banksy, Faile, Swoon etc. even thou they might use spray cans they don't do graffiti
They do traditional art (wood cut- stencil - collage) on the street that's why it is much easier to be accepted by the art world
It also translates much easier onto paper what makes it easier to collect
I don't think that graffiti is accepted at all in the art world and street art is something different as graffiti
Banksy, Faile, Swoon etc. even thou they might use spray cans they don't do graffiti
They do traditional art (wood cut- stencil - collage) on the street that's why it is much easier to be accepted by the art world
It also translates much easier onto paper what makes it easier to collect
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loupa
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by loupa on Apr 28, 2008 17:36:05 GMT 1, I was chatting to someone from the Tate recently and they were slating most of this scene. Lots of it's had it's day, Banksy's all been downhill since the Rats and the art world is bored of him already blah, blah, blah. I was pretty drunk at the time though so can't remember what else they said. I seem to remember Blek and Miss Tic getting a lot of praise though. Not that I think they knew what they were talking about particularly, was just interesting to hear from someone from that side's views.
who is miss tic?
I was chatting to someone from the Tate recently and they were slating most of this scene. Lots of it's had it's day, Banksy's all been downhill since the Rats and the art world is bored of him already blah, blah, blah. I was pretty drunk at the time though so can't remember what else they said. I seem to remember Blek and Miss Tic getting a lot of praise though. Not that I think they knew what they were talking about particularly, was just interesting to hear from someone from that side's views. who is miss tic? |
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by mcster on Apr 28, 2008 17:41:08 GMT 1, It's too big and current for the 'proper' art world not to comment and, in some cases, try and claim it as their own. With the influx of new artists, some of which aren't really proper street, it's starting to remind me of how punk was taken on by the music establishment and watered down to become new wave. Those that know can always tell the difference and, like punk, the true inovators will age well, while the others will be forgotten. You just have to see how many advertisments are using Graf, Stencils etc to see the point we've reached.
It's too big and current for the 'proper' art world not to comment and, in some cases, try and claim it as their own. With the influx of new artists, some of which aren't really proper street, it's starting to remind me of how punk was taken on by the music establishment and watered down to become new wave. Those that know can always tell the difference and, like punk, the true inovators will age well, while the others will be forgotten. You just have to see how many advertisments are using Graf, Stencils etc to see the point we've reached.
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loupa
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by loupa on Apr 28, 2008 17:46:16 GMT 1, actually some good punk bands have kind of disappeared and others are still remembered. the sex pistols were the punky version of boyzone so shouldn't be remembered for being the biggest punk band and as i learn westwood created the punk look that didn't exist before, punk was sure not about fashion. one of the most hypocritical movements ever as history sees it.
actually some good punk bands have kind of disappeared and others are still remembered. the sex pistols were the punky version of boyzone so shouldn't be remembered for being the biggest punk band and as i learn westwood created the punk look that didn't exist before, punk was sure not about fashion. one of the most hypocritical movements ever as history sees it.
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loupa
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by loupa on Apr 28, 2008 17:48:05 GMT 1, i'm with you on the stencils front. can't pass a crappy highstreet shop window without seeing some horrible graffy type image and stencilled t-shirt prints. its so naff
i'm with you on the stencils front. can't pass a crappy highstreet shop window without seeing some horrible graffy type image and stencilled t-shirt prints. its so naff
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by They call me Stephen on Apr 28, 2008 18:09:27 GMT 1, actually some good punk bands have kind of disappeared and others are still remembered. the sex pistols were the punky version of boyzone so shouldn't be remembered for being the biggest punk band and as i learn westwood created the punk look that didn't exist before, punk was sure not about fashion. one of the most hypocritical movements ever as history sees it.
The punk analogy is quite a good one I think.
Who knows what artists people will be talking about in 30+ years time and who from the current crop will be demanding international gallery spaces, inflated prices etc etc. I think we’re all in agreement that Banksy will be one but who else will join him?? There was an interesting thread recently similar to this point but as Loupa pointed out about the punk movement it won’t necessarily be the most talented. Maybe someone like Shepard Fairey who churns out print after print could be the ‘Boyzone’ of the street art movement…quite a possibility I think.
Just as the large majority of the music industry completely didn’t understand the punk movement whilst it was happening yet now happily stroke their chins and talk fondly of it on ‘I love 1977’ type programs, I’m pretty confident and happy that the ‘established’ art world will follow suit.
Of course in thirty years time when this is all happening on some kind of ‘I love 2008’ type monstrosity fronted by the new Jimmy Carr we’ll all be buying completely new pieces of god knows what much to the establishments bemusement
Sorry…I’ve been rambling, there might be some sense in there but I highly doubt it
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actually some good punk bands have kind of disappeared and others are still remembered. the sex pistols were the punky version of boyzone so shouldn't be remembered for being the biggest punk band and as i learn westwood created the punk look that didn't exist before, punk was sure not about fashion. one of the most hypocritical movements ever as history sees it. The punk analogy is quite a good one I think. Who knows what artists people will be talking about in 30+ years time and who from the current crop will be demanding international gallery spaces, inflated prices etc etc. I think we’re all in agreement that Banksy will be one but who else will join him?? There was an interesting thread recently similar to this point but as Loupa pointed out about the punk movement it won’t necessarily be the most talented. Maybe someone like Shepard Fairey who churns out print after print could be the ‘Boyzone’ of the street art movement…quite a possibility I think. Just as the large majority of the music industry completely didn’t understand the punk movement whilst it was happening yet now happily stroke their chins and talk fondly of it on ‘I love 1977’ type programs, I’m pretty confident and happy that the ‘established’ art world will follow suit. Of course in thirty years time when this is all happening on some kind of ‘I love 2008’ type monstrosity fronted by the new Jimmy Carr we’ll all be buying completely new pieces of god knows what much to the establishments bemusement Sorry…I’ve been rambling, there might be some sense in there but I highly doubt it ;D |
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by jonesing on Apr 28, 2008 18:33:48 GMT 1, I think the music industry example is perfect. It's the "higher" establishment turning there noses up to the current movements of the time, until it's become to big and they can't ignore it anymore, then they cash in on it and kill any charm thats left. Look at punk now, the worst crap I've ever seen or heard. Once banksys respected by your grandma, it's over...
I think the music industry example is perfect. It's the "higher" establishment turning there noses up to the current movements of the time, until it's become to big and they can't ignore it anymore, then they cash in on it and kill any charm thats left. Look at punk now, the worst crap I've ever seen or heard. Once banksys respected by your grandma, it's over...
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by lampsy on Apr 28, 2008 18:49:53 GMT 1, DDS do accpet Banksy as an artist, but as an out an out graffiti writer he is not up enough on public transport or on tracks and tube lines, thats what it takes to be DDS!
They think he's a sell out
DDS do accpet Banksy as an artist, but as an out an out graffiti writer he is not up enough on public transport or on tracks and tube lines, thats what it takes to be DDS! They think he's a sell out |
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by Bram on Apr 28, 2008 19:33:40 GMT 1, Who is Lady Pink  ?
Who put the whop in the whopdewhopdewhop?
Who is Lady Pink ? Who put the whop in the whopdewhopdewhop? |
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by daley on Apr 28, 2008 19:36:20 GMT 1, Urban art is growing and maturing like punk did. For good and bad. Some Urban art is crossing over into the more fine art world - and vice versa.
Urban art has become richer and more diverse. And in a very positive way it is breaking through all sorts of traditional boundaries, enabling more people to appreciate a wide range of art they perhaps wouldn't of done otherwise.
Once anything becomes a commodity then big business will follow - that's the noughties world we live in.
The next thread is 'who's punk and who's new wave in the urban scene?' 
Urban art is growing and maturing like punk did. For good and bad. Some Urban art is crossing over into the more fine art world - and vice versa. Urban art has become richer and more diverse. And in a very positive way it is breaking through all sorts of traditional boundaries, enabling more people to appreciate a wide range of art they perhaps wouldn't of done otherwise. Once anything becomes a commodity then big business will follow - that's the noughties world we live in. The next thread is 'who's punk and who's new wave in the urban scene?' |
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by otomi on Apr 28, 2008 19:45:41 GMT 1, "real" graffiti has been around for ever and never sold out - it is illegal and it is on walls and trains - most people can't read it and it rarely has a message or meaning besides getting the name out
For artists like Swoon and Faile it was only a matter of time until they went into galleries and museums
"real" graffiti has been around for ever and never sold out - it is illegal and it is on walls and trains - most people can't read it and it rarely has a message or meaning besides getting the name out
For artists like Swoon and Faile it was only a matter of time until they went into galleries and museums
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Street Art... Being accepted in the art world, by mrmustard on Apr 29, 2008 8:46:45 GMT 1, I remember the days when graffitti started to be excepted in galleries. People like Brim and Futura2000 from New York who was (in)famous for bombing trains was suddenly in top NY galleries. It was the big thing at the time but eventually it moved back to the streets as new art scenes became in vogue in galleries. Fine art follows trends, as galleries have to make money and supply or persuade the public as to what is in vogue. Urban/street stuff is currently a buzz word in the fine art world and as people have said above some names will stay but most will fade out of galleries and back onto the street I believe. It's nice for street artists to be accepted in the mainstream and like the punk reference above (which is an excellent one) this is a cycle that always happens with certain movements in art and culture. The rave scene of the late 80's is another example. Once villified by the press a few weeks later they realised it was a real movement and the papers like The Sun even gave away smiley acid faces. Then the backlash came and though many clubs took it on in various forms the 'real' scene went underground again for many years. The same will happen with street art. There is already bad press about it after most papers/TV hyping it for the past year....
I remember the days when graffitti started to be excepted in galleries. People like Brim and Futura2000 from New York who was (in)famous for bombing trains was suddenly in top NY galleries. It was the big thing at the time but eventually it moved back to the streets as new art scenes became in vogue in galleries. Fine art follows trends, as galleries have to make money and supply or persuade the public as to what is in vogue. Urban/street stuff is currently a buzz word in the fine art world and as people have said above some names will stay but most will fade out of galleries and back onto the street I believe. It's nice for street artists to be accepted in the mainstream and like the punk reference above (which is an excellent one) this is a cycle that always happens with certain movements in art and culture. The rave scene of the late 80's is another example. Once villified by the press a few weeks later they realised it was a real movement and the papers like The Sun even gave away smiley acid faces. Then the backlash came and though many clubs took it on in various forms the 'real' scene went underground again for many years. The same will happen with street art. There is already bad press about it after most papers/TV hyping it for the past year....
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