jaccuse
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help selling a removed piece., by jaccuse on Apr 20, 2008 18:47:13 GMT 1, I was told to ask on this site for some advice. I have a Banksy that I removed from the street some time ago. The only thing is I'm a bit hesitant to draw attention to a sale of the piece as their maybe an ownership issue now in the light of the inflated prices being fetched. I know about the Lazarides deal etc and the validation issue, the thing is it is a documented piece and obviously genuine when given a close inspection etc. What do you think is a good route for a sale that would fetch a reasonable price with out drawing obvious attention. Any ideas would be appreciated.
I was told to ask on this site for some advice. I have a Banksy that I removed from the street some time ago. The only thing is I'm a bit hesitant to draw attention to a sale of the piece as their maybe an ownership issue now in the light of the inflated prices being fetched. I know about the Lazarides deal etc and the validation issue, the thing is it is a documented piece and obviously genuine when given a close inspection etc. What do you think is a good route for a sale that would fetch a reasonable price with out drawing obvious attention. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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help selling a removed piece., by manchestermike on Apr 20, 2008 18:48:41 GMT 1, I don't think much help will be forthcoming...
Why did you remove it?
I don't think much help will be forthcoming...
Why did you remove it?
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help selling a removed piece., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2008 18:49:20 GMT 1, what is it, any pics? how much you want, and has POW confirmed this is real?
what is it, any pics? how much you want, and has POW confirmed this is real?
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GB
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help selling a removed piece., by GB on Apr 20, 2008 18:51:47 GMT 1, this isnt the banksy car window from truman brewery is it? saw this afternoon that the window has been taken out......
you know anything about this one mike? i know the car was put in a perspex box ages ago, but hadnt noticed the window missing before now.....
this isnt the banksy car window from truman brewery is it? saw this afternoon that the window has been taken out...... you know anything about this one mike? i know the car was put in a perspex box ages ago, but hadnt noticed the window missing before now.....
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help selling a removed piece., by manchestermike on Apr 20, 2008 18:52:54 GMT 1, this isnt the banksy car window from truman brewery is it? saw this afternoon that the window has been taken out...... you know anything about this one mike? i know the car was put in a perspex box ages ago, but hadnt noticed the window missing before now.....
Didn't know the window had been taken out, I heard it had been damaged but didn't know what
this isnt the banksy car window from truman brewery is it? saw this afternoon that the window has been taken out...... you know anything about this one mike? i know the car was put in a perspex box ages ago, but hadnt noticed the window missing before now..... Didn't know the window had been taken out, I heard it had been damaged but didn't know what
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idris
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help selling a removed piece., by idris on Apr 20, 2008 18:54:19 GMT 1, yeah - some c*nt removed the window. saw it a few weeks ago
yeah - some c*nt removed the window. saw it a few weeks ago
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idris
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help selling a removed piece., by idris on Apr 20, 2008 18:56:05 GMT 1, I was told to ask on this site for some advice. I have a Banksy that I removed from the street some time ago. The only thing is I'm a bit hesitant to draw attention to a sale of the piece as their maybe an ownership issue now in the light of the inflated prices being fetched. I know about the Lazarides deal etc and the validation issue, the thing is it is a documented piece and obviously genuine when given a close inspection etc. What do you think is a good route for a sale that would fetch a reasonable price with out drawing obvious attention. Any ideas would be appreciated.
u deserve to get f*ck all for it you thief!! U want ideas? why don't you shov it up your ass you fackin thieving c8nt
I was told to ask on this site for some advice. I have a Banksy that I removed from the street some time ago. The only thing is I'm a bit hesitant to draw attention to a sale of the piece as their maybe an ownership issue now in the light of the inflated prices being fetched. I know about the Lazarides deal etc and the validation issue, the thing is it is a documented piece and obviously genuine when given a close inspection etc. What do you think is a good route for a sale that would fetch a reasonable price with out drawing obvious attention. Any ideas would be appreciated. u deserve to get f*ck all for it you thief!! U want ideas? why don't you shov it up your ass you fackin thieving c8nt
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help selling a removed piece., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2008 18:56:11 GMT 1, If it is that one, you've got no chance on ebay or here, best bet is finding someone otside of these as its already owned and they will want it back!
If it is that one, you've got no chance on ebay or here, best bet is finding someone otside of these as its already owned and they will want it back!
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romanywg
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help selling a removed piece., by romanywg on Apr 20, 2008 18:56:43 GMT 1, It's been gone for a while now. Probably sold as there was a perfectly fitting piece of mdf in its place.
It's been gone for a while now. Probably sold as there was a perfectly fitting piece of mdf in its place.
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help selling a removed piece., by manchestermike on Apr 20, 2008 18:58:03 GMT 1, what is it, any pics? Doubt he'll put them on here how much you want, A lot I imagine and has POW confirmed this is real? No chance
what is it, any pics? Doubt he'll put them on here how much you want, A lot I imagine and has POW confirmed this is real? No chance
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help selling a removed piece., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2008 19:00:20 GMT 1, Yeah i no, pointless but hey, im at work with time to kill.
Yeah i no, pointless but hey, im at work with time to kill.
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GB
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help selling a removed piece., by GB on Apr 20, 2008 19:01:36 GMT 1, the guys at the truman have no need or desire to sell anything, they bought that site for about 32 million 10 years ago, going on current valuation they are sitting on 400+
a few 100k on a window is pigeon fodder to them
the guys at the truman have no need or desire to sell anything, they bought that site for about 32 million 10 years ago, going on current valuation they are sitting on 400+
a few 100k on a window is pigeon fodder to them
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funyoung
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help selling a removed piece., by funyoung on Apr 20, 2008 19:03:38 GMT 1, Guy's I don't think that 'jacusse' suggested it was the window.
When you say 'ownership issue' - is that a euphemism?
Also - 'obviously genuine' - hmmm - do you mean a picture is published somewhere? Or on the Banksy website? The papers? or does it just look 'scruffy' and thus obviously genuine?
BTW - people here often take exception to pieces removed from the street though the jury is out in many peoples minds. Either way be ready to get some abuse like above!
Guy's I don't think that 'jacusse' suggested it was the window.
When you say 'ownership issue' - is that a euphemism?
Also - 'obviously genuine' - hmmm - do you mean a picture is published somewhere? Or on the Banksy website? The papers? or does it just look 'scruffy' and thus obviously genuine?
BTW - people here often take exception to pieces removed from the street though the jury is out in many peoples minds. Either way be ready to get some abuse like above!
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help selling a removed piece., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2008 19:25:34 GMT 1, Selling a removed piece> Should it of been removed.
At the end of the day in my opinion, Banksy was and still is a grafitti artist, and for those familier to grafitti will need no telling that paying for stuff was not what we were into. It was and still is a STEAL STEAL STEAL way of life, for us inner city kids anyways, we didnt pay for paint or beer whenever we could, and im sure Banksy and his chums in the beginging were just the same. So can you blame them!
Selling a removed piece> Should it of been removed.
At the end of the day in my opinion, Banksy was and still is a grafitti artist, and for those familier to grafitti will need no telling that paying for stuff was not what we were into. It was and still is a STEAL STEAL STEAL way of life, for us inner city kids anyways, we didnt pay for paint or beer whenever we could, and im sure Banksy and his chums in the beginging were just the same. So can you blame them!
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Heavyconsumer
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help selling a removed piece., by Heavyconsumer on Apr 20, 2008 19:26:00 GMT 1, I reckon either you should approach a high-street gallery to display it and take offers or just stick it on ebay. Either way the "ownership issues" you mention should be clear in your conscience or maybe you'd be better of putting it back where you found it! As for authenticity, forget it. There is no-one that will give official/recognised authentication for any piece created that was not created for purpose of sale originally.
I reckon either you should approach a high-street gallery to display it and take offers or just stick it on ebay. Either way the "ownership issues" you mention should be clear in your conscience or maybe you'd be better of putting it back where you found it! As for authenticity, forget it. There is no-one that will give official/recognised authentication for any piece created that was not created for purpose of sale originally.
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jaccuse
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help selling a removed piece., by jaccuse on Apr 21, 2008 13:58:07 GMT 1, thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed.
thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed.
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help selling a removed piece., by jonpud on Apr 21, 2008 14:17:19 GMT 1, thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed.
You obviously don't read this forum very often mate, I would have beeen putting my flak jacket, helmet on and digging a fucking great hole to hide in before starting this thread!!!!! ;D
thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed. You obviously don't read this forum very often mate, I would have beeen putting my flak jacket, helmet on and digging a fucking great hole to hide in before starting this thread!!!!! ;D
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bonesy
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help selling a removed piece., by bonesy on Apr 21, 2008 14:36:54 GMT 1,
Im not as vocal as many about the evils of removing street art but did Banksy create it with your living room and vacation in mind?
Im not as vocal as many about the evils of removing street art but did Banksy create it with your living room and vacation in mind?
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Va Va Voom
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help selling a removed piece., by Va Va Voom on Apr 21, 2008 14:51:57 GMT 1, thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed.
If as you say "it was on the wall of a big biz" and it was (obviously) removed without their consent or an agreement to sell,then you have no chance of selling this through either a gallery or auction house.Quite simply its theft of anothers property and probably criminal damage once it was removed.Only a fool would buy this for any more than a nominal amount,so I would hang back on your wall and enjoy.
thanks for the advice and abuse...it was removed sometime ago and has appeared in publications. It sometimes takes guts to remove these things and seeing as it was on the wall of a big biz... who would have only removed and flogged it themselves by now, as the prices of these pieces are well known in the wider public domain. It aint all about gain, its had its time on the living room wall and now it could give me a break from my dead end job for a bit. It takes all sorts as they say, and I really didnt expect such staunch goody two shoes responses on here. But thanks to the level headed. If as you say "it was on the wall of a big biz" and it was (obviously) removed without their consent or an agreement to sell,then you have no chance of selling this through either a gallery or auction house.Quite simply its theft of anothers property and probably criminal damage once it was removed.Only a fool would buy this for any more than a nominal amount,so I would hang back on your wall and enjoy.
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help selling a removed piece., by Grafter on Apr 21, 2008 15:25:41 GMT 1, Ok, my guess is that this is the radar rat from Worship street....
If you hadn't noticed ALL of Banksy's recent pieces have been either on impossible to remove lumps of concrete or have been so large that you'd have to knock the building down to get it. Surley this is an indication that he does not want his stuff removed and as such, everyone should respect that. Have you thought about offering it back to him through Pest Control, or donating it to a worthwhile charity so someone less fortunate than yourself might benefit from the sale.?
It's all about Kharma, man. And I guess that after your nocturnal efforts with a grinding iron you might need so put some in the + column.
Ok, my guess is that this is the radar rat from Worship street....
If you hadn't noticed ALL of Banksy's recent pieces have been either on impossible to remove lumps of concrete or have been so large that you'd have to knock the building down to get it. Surley this is an indication that he does not want his stuff removed and as such, everyone should respect that. Have you thought about offering it back to him through Pest Control, or donating it to a worthwhile charity so someone less fortunate than yourself might benefit from the sale.?
It's all about Kharma, man. And I guess that after your nocturnal efforts with a grinding iron you might need so put some in the + column.
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Billy Sport
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help selling a removed piece., by Billy Sport on Apr 21, 2008 15:58:25 GMT 1, so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while,
when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time?
I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded?
no more than 1000 words please !!!
so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while,
when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time?
I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded?
no more than 1000 words please !!!
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help selling a removed piece., by richy00 on Apr 21, 2008 16:01:21 GMT 1, if its left around and doesnt require any effort to remove like neates work, just left so you can pick it up and take it home i believe its there to be taken, free for all.. if you have to steam it off or chisle it out then i think its meant to be left..
if its left around and doesnt require any effort to remove like neates work, just left so you can pick it up and take it home i believe its there to be taken, free for all.. if you have to steam it off or chisle it out then i think its meant to be left..
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help selling a removed piece., by graffoto on Apr 21, 2008 16:01:51 GMT 1, A wall is part of a private building - a piece of cardboard is well a piece of cardboard and is not owned by anyone... simple
A wall is part of a private building - a piece of cardboard is well a piece of cardboard and is not owned by anyone... simple
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help selling a removed piece., by stevenwhoreking on Apr 21, 2008 17:24:33 GMT 1, graffiti's graffiti... once it's out there it takes its chances. some of it lives, some of it dies, some of it gets painted over and some of it gets hacked off the wall. any normal writer would just go back and stick another one up.
graffiti's graffiti... once it's out there it takes its chances. some of it lives, some of it dies, some of it gets painted over and some of it gets hacked off the wall. any normal writer would just go back and stick another one up.
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help selling a removed piece., by graeme501 on Apr 21, 2008 18:29:30 GMT 1, in the modart magazine interview, adam talks about the reason why he left them on the street
they are meant for taking away
in the modart magazine interview, adam talks about the reason why he left them on the street
they are meant for taking away
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Gurn
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help selling a removed piece., by Gurn on Apr 21, 2008 19:13:13 GMT 1, so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while, when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time? I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded? no more than 1000 words please !!! If you ask Jef how he feels about the people that took his Accordian Player piece I'm sure he would tell you that these people are not lovers of street art.I happen to agree and in my humble opinion they appear to be more lovers of ££££££'s.It's just my opinion but I think that anyone who buys one is at least as bad as them that take and sell them.Neate however had a different agenda with his pieces and the taking of the them was all part of the process.
so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while, when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time? I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded? no more than 1000 words please !!! If you ask Jef how he feels about the people that took his Accordian Player piece I'm sure he would tell you that these people are not lovers of street art.I happen to agree and in my humble opinion they appear to be more lovers of ££££££'s.It's just my opinion but I think that anyone who buys one is at least as bad as them that take and sell them.Neate however had a different agenda with his pieces and the taking of the them was all part of the process.
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Heavyconsumer
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help selling a removed piece., by Heavyconsumer on Apr 21, 2008 19:13:35 GMT 1, so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while, when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time? I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded? no more than 1000 words please !!!
I'm pretty sure that Adam was questioning the value of art by doing this. He left pieces of art, easily available on the street, in the hope that they would end up being enjoyed by people who connected with them. Many of his street pieces look pretty effortless to create (for someone of his talents) and quickly produced, so I don't think there is any parallel with Banksy's street pieces which were created on "permanent" canvases that were no doubt seen as pretty immovable objects at the time of painting.
I can say for certain, that if this chap had removed a piece of my company's building, I'd be irked enough to make sure he was prosecuted! He really hasn't done himself any favours with this rather foolish admission!
so i have a question that ive been thinking about for a while, when someone like Neate left his paintings on cardbord laying around and people took them, should these pieces be left on the street? is street art supposed to be left and fade away/ be disposed off? Did people who took these pieces get flak at the time? I can see the difference with someone chopping chunks out of a wall to picking something up off the floor, but did the artist intend for the art to be taken or to be left , enjoyed by many and then ultimately discarded? no more than 1000 words please !!! I'm pretty sure that Adam was questioning the value of art by doing this. He left pieces of art, easily available on the street, in the hope that they would end up being enjoyed by people who connected with them. Many of his street pieces look pretty effortless to create (for someone of his talents) and quickly produced, so I don't think there is any parallel with Banksy's street pieces which were created on "permanent" canvases that were no doubt seen as pretty immovable objects at the time of painting. I can say for certain, that if this chap had removed a piece of my company's building, I'd be irked enough to make sure he was prosecuted! He really hasn't done himself any favours with this rather foolish admission!
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help selling a removed piece., by seidbereit on Apr 21, 2008 19:34:40 GMT 1, Has there ever been a forum amnesty on street pieces where everyone who has one (and wishes to admit it) could post pics of what they have? I doubt anyone would admit to it though given the general feeling.
I only ask since I once bought a street piece myself (long before I joined the forum though) without having had any of the insight I've since gained regarding the ethics of having it. At the time I had been collecting prints from various artists quite naively, I suppose, purely on the basis of what they looked like (i.e. did I like them or not) and it was while I was doing this that I decided one night - in a half drunken haze - to bid on, and ultimately win, a street piece that was listed.
It's been in my office since then and I use it as a light fitting - it's a street bollard, by the way and whilst I now understand that it's not exactly something praiseworthy, given the general opinion that street works should stay on the street, I purchased it only because I really liked it and even if it was a fake (and I have no intention of having it authenticated) it wouldnt really bother me as it cost damn all and looks really good.
I do however sometimes feel guilty about owning it though even though I didn't steal it myself as I've since started to think much more in the same manner as most have already described above (the forum has been an education to me in so many ways since I joined that the list is just endless) but as I bought it in all innocence I still get a lot of enjoyment in having it. It's a strange feeling really - I'm torn but at the same time I'm not torn at all, if that makes sense.
So - has there ever been such an amnesty?
Has there ever been a forum amnesty on street pieces where everyone who has one (and wishes to admit it) could post pics of what they have? I doubt anyone would admit to it though given the general feeling.
I only ask since I once bought a street piece myself (long before I joined the forum though) without having had any of the insight I've since gained regarding the ethics of having it. At the time I had been collecting prints from various artists quite naively, I suppose, purely on the basis of what they looked like (i.e. did I like them or not) and it was while I was doing this that I decided one night - in a half drunken haze - to bid on, and ultimately win, a street piece that was listed.
It's been in my office since then and I use it as a light fitting - it's a street bollard, by the way and whilst I now understand that it's not exactly something praiseworthy, given the general opinion that street works should stay on the street, I purchased it only because I really liked it and even if it was a fake (and I have no intention of having it authenticated) it wouldnt really bother me as it cost damn all and looks really good.
I do however sometimes feel guilty about owning it though even though I didn't steal it myself as I've since started to think much more in the same manner as most have already described above (the forum has been an education to me in so many ways since I joined that the list is just endless) but as I bought it in all innocence I still get a lot of enjoyment in having it. It's a strange feeling really - I'm torn but at the same time I'm not torn at all, if that makes sense.
So - has there ever been such an amnesty?
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Va Va Voom
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help selling a removed piece., by Va Va Voom on Apr 22, 2008 0:08:37 GMT 1, think that the piece that you purchased is something that every last member of this forum would have picked up given the opportunity.I am not being hypocritical in saying that removing a bollard and chiselling off a chunk of stone/axel grinding a metal plate are totally different acts.The bollard was always going to be removed be it by you(yes ,i know you didnt) or the authorities,so therefore it was fair game.A wall is something else..... Mr Beret an amnesty has been applied to your treasured bollard,please enjoy it without the slightest trace of guilt.
think that the piece that you purchased is something that every last member of this forum would have picked up given the opportunity.I am not being hypocritical in saying that removing a bollard and chiselling off a chunk of stone/axel grinding a metal plate are totally different acts.The bollard was always going to be removed be it by you(yes ,i know you didnt) or the authorities,so therefore it was fair game.A wall is something else..... Mr Beret an amnesty has been applied to your treasured bollard,please enjoy it without the slightest trace of guilt.
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help selling a removed piece., by richy00 on Apr 22, 2008 0:12:09 GMT 1, i have all kinda of street items in my living room, £50 each and ill spray whatever banksy image you want on them... them you can sell them on ebay for £500..... bollards, signs, banners, markings, even a traffic light.
i have all kinda of street items in my living room, £50 each and ill spray whatever banksy image you want on them... them you can sell them on ebay for £500..... bollards, signs, banners, markings, even a traffic light.
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