cheapwetsuit
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In My Honest Opinion, by cheapwetsuit on Apr 17, 2008 23:52:24 GMT 1, It sounds like everybody had a good time tonight. Is mine going to be the first dissenting voice? Well, maybe. Put it down to missing out on both print releases. Put it down to Lambs on coke. Whatever the case, it needs to be said. NICK WALKER IS JUMPING THE GUN. Sometime last year, I walked into a Dface show looking to buy a lenticular, and I stumbled out with a TMA London, 'cause I thought the other pieces were over-priced. It took me a while to make my mind up, I should add. It wasn't artistically great, but I like the view of Big Ben from the South Bank, so what the hell. I got that for ยฃ300. 8 months ago? Still got it by the way. Today what I saw was Zimbabwe like inflation for pieces that don't deserve the credit. Nick may or may not be a gentleman (I've never had the pleasure), but he sure does know how to cash in on the hype. There were a lot of pretty pictures tonight, but not much of artistic merit. If his name was Banksy, that would be alright, but Nick is a follower, not a leader. The only two pieces that got me interested were the white on black "Vandalism"'s, and the butterfly over rowing boat prints (funnily enough, because I didn't rate them beforehand) that people queued for. Well done to you guys. Much better than the original. But at ยฃ3750 for the "Vandalism" you have to be taking the proverbial. I reckon I could do one of those in 20 minutes. Great piece, but the execution was terrible. It actually looked cheap ... and rushed. For me, it's an iconic piece, and I'm deeply envious of anyone who got one. But I do think that one year from now, Nick will be forgotten; his bank manager will love him, and an opportunity to be something more than just a passing craze will have been missed. Nick ... you have so much potential. Don't waste it on pretty pictures. Look for the rebellion, the mess, the hatred, the emotion in your pictures. You're too much perfect lines and dollars right now. I enjoyed the beer though. For all you guys who can't afford the current craze ... don't worry ... there'll be someone else along shortly. Just remember ... always buy what you like.
It sounds like everybody had a good time tonight. Is mine going to be the first dissenting voice? Well, maybe. Put it down to missing out on both print releases. Put it down to Lambs on coke. Whatever the case, it needs to be said. NICK WALKER IS JUMPING THE GUN. Sometime last year, I walked into a Dface show looking to buy a lenticular, and I stumbled out with a TMA London, 'cause I thought the other pieces were over-priced. It took me a while to make my mind up, I should add. It wasn't artistically great, but I like the view of Big Ben from the South Bank, so what the hell. I got that for ยฃ300. 8 months ago? Still got it by the way. Today what I saw was Zimbabwe like inflation for pieces that don't deserve the credit. Nick may or may not be a gentleman (I've never had the pleasure), but he sure does know how to cash in on the hype. There were a lot of pretty pictures tonight, but not much of artistic merit. If his name was Banksy, that would be alright, but Nick is a follower, not a leader. The only two pieces that got me interested were the white on black "Vandalism"'s, and the butterfly over rowing boat prints (funnily enough, because I didn't rate them beforehand) that people queued for. Well done to you guys. Much better than the original. But at ยฃ3750 for the "Vandalism" you have to be taking the proverbial. I reckon I could do one of those in 20 minutes. Great piece, but the execution was terrible. It actually looked cheap ... and rushed. For me, it's an iconic piece, and I'm deeply envious of anyone who got one. But I do think that one year from now, Nick will be forgotten; his bank manager will love him, and an opportunity to be something more than just a passing craze will have been missed. Nick ... you have so much potential. Don't waste it on pretty pictures. Look for the rebellion, the mess, the hatred, the emotion in your pictures. You're too much perfect lines and dollars right now. I enjoyed the beer though. For all you guys who can't afford the current craze ... don't worry ... there'll be someone else along shortly. Just remember ... always buy what you like.
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In My Honest Opinion, by Guest on Apr 18, 2008 0:03:31 GMT 1, that is your honest opinion, and your right to speak your mind, I dont agree.
that is your honest opinion, and your right to speak your mind, I dont agree.
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waXology
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In My Honest Opinion, by waXology on Apr 18, 2008 0:11:53 GMT 1, Would someone just think of the children!!!
Will sell kidney for Vandal airways. PM if interested.
Would someone just think of the children!!! Will sell kidney for Vandal airways. PM if interested.
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In My Honest Opinion, by Guest on Apr 18, 2008 0:12:02 GMT 1, each to their own, did you go to Banksy's show's? i didnt, so hard for me to compare. I know what i like though!
each to their own, did you go to Banksy's show's? i didnt, so hard for me to compare. I know what i like though!
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In My Honest Opinion, by giiiant on Apr 18, 2008 0:12:11 GMT 1, Agreed
Agreed
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In My Honest Opinion, by Guest on Apr 18, 2008 0:14:22 GMT 1, what i saw tonight was outstanding, if you could do better, lets see it?
what i saw tonight was outstanding, if you could do better, lets see it?
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clipit101
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In My Honest Opinion, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 0:18:12 GMT 1, That is exactly the point i was trying to put across to everyone earlyer on. Nick has slid in on Banksys coat tails but i dont begrudge him that but given the oportunity and given the position he has i feel he should really be spreading his wings and pulling somthing other than what he is currently offering out of his hat. I said this earlyer and i'll say it again i would never ever pay what is currently being payed for his recent releases. The fact is there not that good. So i'll ask the question if you had never heard of Nick Walker would you still be chucking about that amount of money in the deluded hope that he is going to be the next Banksy?
If that is the case then you probably have an ebay account with a fantastic feedback for flipping!
That is exactly the point i was trying to put across to everyone earlyer on. Nick has slid in on Banksys coat tails but i dont begrudge him that but given the oportunity and given the position he has i feel he should really be spreading his wings and pulling somthing other than what he is currently offering out of his hat. I said this earlyer and i'll say it again i would never ever pay what is currently being payed for his recent releases. The fact is there not that good. So i'll ask the question if you had never heard of Nick Walker would you still be chucking about that amount of money in the deluded hope that he is going to be the next Banksy?
If that is the case then you probably have an ebay account with a fantastic feedback for flipping!
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sid
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In My Honest Opinion, by sid on Apr 18, 2008 0:18:58 GMT 1, what i saw tonight was outstanding, if you could do better, lets see it?
2nd May Elms Lester
what i saw tonight was outstanding, if you could do better, lets see it? 2nd May Elms Lester
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clipit101
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In My Honest Opinion, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 0:20:53 GMT 1, Hear Hear!
Hear Hear!
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In My Honest Opinion, by Guest on Apr 18, 2008 0:21:06 GMT 1, as i said each to their own. Nick put on an amazing show tonight, a great body of work, what were you expecting? for him to change his style overnight, he's worked hard, and deserves his success.
as i said each to their own. Nick put on an amazing show tonight, a great body of work, what were you expecting? for him to change his style overnight, he's worked hard, and deserves his success.
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cheapwetsuit
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In My Honest Opinion, by cheapwetsuit on Apr 18, 2008 0:24:55 GMT 1, ron, you're right. I've never been to a Banksy show, so I'm open to criticism. But I do know that Banksy is not an "artistic" genius. He is a genius though. He had the audacity to stake his claim as leader of a movement. He manages to remain leader courtesy of his wit and his ability to remain topical. But drawing a rat is not a great accomplishment. Where you put that rat is where it's at.
ron, you're right. I've never been to a Banksy show, so I'm open to criticism. But I do know that Banksy is not an "artistic" genius. He is a genius though. He had the audacity to stake his claim as leader of a movement. He manages to remain leader courtesy of his wit and his ability to remain topical. But drawing a rat is not a great accomplishment. Where you put that rat is where it's at.
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cheapwetsuit
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In My Honest Opinion, by cheapwetsuit on Apr 18, 2008 0:28:34 GMT 1, By the way, I agree with every word Clipit said.
By the way, I agree with every word Clipit said.
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clipit101
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In My Honest Opinion, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 0:28:35 GMT 1, as i said each to their own. Nick put on an amazing show tonight, a great body of work, what were you expecting? for him to change his style overnight, he's worked hard, and deserves his success.
Dont get me wrong i agree with you he does deserve the respect he is getting. I just feel that this is becoming a bit of a circus which i suppose has its ability to be an art work of its own but no offence to him or anyone on here. But that aint a piece of art im buyin!
as i said each to their own. Nick put on an amazing show tonight, a great body of work, what were you expecting? for him to change his style overnight, he's worked hard, and deserves his success. Dont get me wrong i agree with you he does deserve the respect he is getting. I just feel that this is becoming a bit of a circus which i suppose has its ability to be an art work of its own but no offence to him or anyone on here. But that aint a piece of art im buyin!
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Heavyconsumer
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In My Honest Opinion, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 18, 2008 1:07:13 GMT 1, I felt today's online releases were massively overpriced at ยฃ450 for the qulity on offer, let alone the thousands people may pay on ebay for them! I do like the butterfly and boatman image a lot though. While it may not be stimulating or provocative on any intellectual level, I would have that image on my wall in a heartbeat. This image, purely on aesthetic merit, pleases me. I will not be buying one 2nd hand though, not for the prices they will command. Well done to all who went and waited and walked away with something they like, that's what it's all about. And well done to Nick too. There are too many broke artists in the world, I hope more can make some nice cash before the current fad for all things graffiti related dies.
I felt today's online releases were massively overpriced at ยฃ450 for the qulity on offer, let alone the thousands people may pay on ebay for them! I do like the butterfly and boatman image a lot though. While it may not be stimulating or provocative on any intellectual level, I would have that image on my wall in a heartbeat. This image, purely on aesthetic merit, pleases me. I will not be buying one 2nd hand though, not for the prices they will command. Well done to all who went and waited and walked away with something they like, that's what it's all about. And well done to Nick too. There are too many broke artists in the world, I hope more can make some nice cash before the current fad for all things graffiti related dies.
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clipit101
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In My Honest Opinion, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 1:16:07 GMT 1, It is exactly that though a fad and it will pass as all fads do. And more power to the people that think his stuff is asthetically pleasing, theres nothing better than finding something you really love but alot of people only love it because of the price tag its a status thing. Personally i think ยฃ450 is alot more astetically pleasing.
It is exactly that though a fad and it will pass as all fads do. And more power to the people that think his stuff is asthetically pleasing, theres nothing better than finding something you really love but alot of people only love it because of the price tag its a status thing. Personally i think ยฃ450 is alot more astetically pleasing.
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In My Honest Opinion, by kingdomcome on Apr 18, 2008 1:22:23 GMT 1, i have to agree. look at Nick website before it became the new one and the stuff on there is rubbish! He even says himself in IV that he hit on a nerve with the TMA series and thats why its doing so well. You get the impression even he cant the believe the sucess either it!!
Basically the Bonhams auction kickstarted the NW revolution and nothing else. NOT his overall portfolio. Fair play to Nick, he has a family to feed.
But as the original post says, he is a follower and not a leader.
i have to agree. look at Nick website before it became the new one and the stuff on there is rubbish! He even says himself in IV that he hit on a nerve with the TMA series and thats why its doing so well. You get the impression even he cant the believe the sucess either it!!
Basically the Bonhams auction kickstarted the NW revolution and nothing else. NOT his overall portfolio. Fair play to Nick, he has a family to feed.
But as the original post says, he is a follower and not a leader.
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In My Honest Opinion, by thinkbank on Apr 18, 2008 1:26:27 GMT 1, That is exactly the point i was trying to put across to everyone earlyer on. Nick has slid in on Banksys coat tails but i dont begrudge him that but given the oportunity and given the position he has i feel he should really be spreading his wings and pulling somthing other than what he is currently offering out of his hat. I said this earlyer and i'll say it again i would never ever pay what is currently being payed for his recent releases. The fact is there not that good. So i'll ask the question if you had never heard of Nick Walker would you still be chucking about that amount of money in the deluded hope that he is going to be the next Banksy? If that is the case then you probably have an ebay account with a fantastic feedback for flipping!
agreed. We have seen this all said before.
Brandalism = Vandalism. Banksy went there ages ago..
That is exactly the point i was trying to put across to everyone earlyer on. Nick has slid in on Banksys coat tails but i dont begrudge him that but given the oportunity and given the position he has i feel he should really be spreading his wings and pulling somthing other than what he is currently offering out of his hat. I said this earlyer and i'll say it again i would never ever pay what is currently being payed for his recent releases. The fact is there not that good. So i'll ask the question if you had never heard of Nick Walker would you still be chucking about that amount of money in the deluded hope that he is going to be the next Banksy? If that is the case then you probably have an ebay account with a fantastic feedback for flipping! agreed. We have seen this all said before. Brandalism = Vandalism. Banksy went there ages ago..
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In My Honest Opinion, by ctc2 on Apr 18, 2008 2:23:16 GMT 1, I liked the art. Thought the prices were more in line with a more established artist. Good for him...but a little elment of cashing in on this one. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but it just is what it is.
I liked the art. Thought the prices were more in line with a more established artist. Good for him...but a little elment of cashing in on this one. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but it just is what it is.
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Heavyconsumer
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In My Honest Opinion, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 18, 2008 2:51:43 GMT 1, I think there are people who have become obsessed with the concept of artists cashing in. It's bollocks! What is he supposed to do? I can be totally impartial and say that if I were average at something and someone wanted to pay me the same rate as the guy next door who excelled, I would take his money! Is Nick supposed to say "No only pay me half those prices because the work isn't worth it" He's just doing what he's always done, what has changed is not the artist but the market for his work. He can either ignore that or he can produce what people want to pay loads of money for. I don't think he was a multimillionaire beforehand, that being the case, I would guess that he's just as motivated to make money and secure his family's future as you or I would be. Much of his work is not for me and I don't believe the current pricing is sustainable in the long term, but with the c0ck-eyed dynamics of this market who's to say? If not for the flippers I doubt the Bonham's sale would have had the effect on his career that it did, but flippers pick up a lot of the work at source these days, driving prices higher. Not the fault of the artists is it?
I think there are people who have become obsessed with the concept of artists cashing in. It's bollocks! What is he supposed to do? I can be totally impartial and say that if I were average at something and someone wanted to pay me the same rate as the guy next door who excelled, I would take his money! Is Nick supposed to say "No only pay me half those prices because the work isn't worth it" He's just doing what he's always done, what has changed is not the artist but the market for his work. He can either ignore that or he can produce what people want to pay loads of money for. I don't think he was a multimillionaire beforehand, that being the case, I would guess that he's just as motivated to make money and secure his family's future as you or I would be. Much of his work is not for me and I don't believe the current pricing is sustainable in the long term, but with the c0ck-eyed dynamics of this market who's to say? If not for the flippers I doubt the Bonham's sale would have had the effect on his career that it did, but flippers pick up a lot of the work at source these days, driving prices higher. Not the fault of the artists is it?
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In My Honest Opinion, by slowmo on Apr 18, 2008 10:46:25 GMT 1, If I worked hard all my life and suddenly people were willing to pay more, I would charge more. He has hit something with this vandal, its stupid to say he has played it out, people make careers out of hitting a nerve, Julian Opie for example, you'd know his work a mile off, does it change? No, he experiments on the theme, this is what I feel Nick Walker is doing.
He has years ahead of him and by reaping financial reward now, he can support himself and his family to ensure he continues to do what he loves. Its only right that people wont like certain artists work though, so far play to you cheapwetsuit.
If I worked hard all my life and suddenly people were willing to pay more, I would charge more. He has hit something with this vandal, its stupid to say he has played it out, people make careers out of hitting a nerve, Julian Opie for example, you'd know his work a mile off, does it change? No, he experiments on the theme, this is what I feel Nick Walker is doing.
He has years ahead of him and by reaping financial reward now, he can support himself and his family to ensure he continues to do what he loves. Its only right that people wont like certain artists work though, so far play to you cheapwetsuit.
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In My Honest Opinion, by pramface on Apr 18, 2008 10:49:46 GMT 1, if you have a horse thats performing well, then why not flog it to death?
if you have a horse thats performing well, then why not flog it to death?
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In My Honest Opinion, by carlito on Apr 18, 2008 10:52:58 GMT 1, I don't get this 'Nick Walker has slid in on Banksy's coat tails' firstly do you know how long Nick as been around? Secondly, feck me every street artist is behind Banksy at the moment. Nick has been around long enough to start enjoying the fruits of his labour if u don't like his work fair enough, but there's an old saying 'make hey while the sun shines' .. props to the man
I don't get this 'Nick Walker has slid in on Banksy's coat tails' firstly do you know how long Nick as been around? Secondly, feck me every street artist is behind Banksy at the moment. Nick has been around long enough to start enjoying the fruits of his labour if u don't like his work fair enough, but there's an old saying 'make hey while the sun shines' .. props to the man
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danvnuk
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In My Honest Opinion, by danvnuk on Apr 18, 2008 11:22:44 GMT 1, Nice show.
Nick Walker might be a fantastic bloke who's worked his nads off for his success, and good luck to him-
But, my honest opinion on the work?
The incredible price tags were shocking when held up against the rather simplistic subject matter of the work.
It isn't challenging, there's no depth. , but compared to someone like Banksy who's work always contains some wry political humour, observation, or poking fun at the human condition, it left me quite underwhelmed.
It is - what it is, I guess. Not a verdict I'd like to make on any work that costs such large amounts of cash and generates such interest.
I was hoping to see something at the show that made me 'get' the hype surrounding Nick Walker - but, I'm left still shaking my head at the mania and wondering what all the fuss is about.
Nevertheless - nice to see the usual suspects out and about - A 3 gallery preview crawl - nice work if you can get it - and thanks to the galleries for the beers - especially TLSG with the Kirin.
Pity you couldn't make it Carlo.
Nice show.
Nick Walker might be a fantastic bloke who's worked his nads off for his success, and good luck to him-
But, my honest opinion on the work?
The incredible price tags were shocking when held up against the rather simplistic subject matter of the work.
It isn't challenging, there's no depth. , but compared to someone like Banksy who's work always contains some wry political humour, observation, or poking fun at the human condition, it left me quite underwhelmed.
It is - what it is, I guess. Not a verdict I'd like to make on any work that costs such large amounts of cash and generates such interest.
I was hoping to see something at the show that made me 'get' the hype surrounding Nick Walker - but, I'm left still shaking my head at the mania and wondering what all the fuss is about.
Nevertheless - nice to see the usual suspects out and about - A 3 gallery preview crawl - nice work if you can get it - and thanks to the galleries for the beers - especially TLSG with the Kirin.
Pity you couldn't make it Carlo.
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In My Honest Opinion, by slowmo on Apr 18, 2008 11:23:51 GMT 1, if you have a horse thats performing well, then why not flog it to death?
Because you breed the horse and get great success from its very similar but also successful offspring
if you have a horse thats performing well, then why not flog it to death? Because you breed the horse and get great success from its very similar but also successful offspring
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In My Honest Opinion, by blackbeltjones on Apr 18, 2008 12:04:32 GMT 1, personally i've struggled to see the quality in his work.. mona simpson was a shocker as were the baby mole pieces he produced a while back, I haven't been to this current exibition so i can't judge.. however, I do think his success has come on the back of banksy's and Mike Snelle + BRP are exploiting it, whats to say they weren't behind the 50,000 Bonhams auction to create the hype? it's a small price to pay when they know he will command the current gallery prices on the back it. the sales from one of the prints released would have covered it.. just my thoughts
personally i've struggled to see the quality in his work.. mona simpson was a shocker as were the baby mole pieces he produced a while back, I haven't been to this current exibition so i can't judge.. however, I do think his success has come on the back of banksy's and Mike Snelle + BRP are exploiting it, whats to say they weren't behind the 50,000 Bonhams auction to create the hype? it's a small price to pay when they know he will command the current gallery prices on the back it. the sales from one of the prints released would have covered it.. just my thoughts
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In My Honest Opinion, by victorwilliams on Apr 18, 2008 12:24:45 GMT 1, How can some of you say that the prints released yesterday were over priced when they are instantly being flogged on the bay for three grand, thats around 6 times more?
Yeah they were expensive but you can't expect BRP and Nick to sell them for ยฃ50 when they,you and I know they will be sold for much much more the day after!
I also disagree with the statement that Nick has 'slid in on Banksys coat tails' they has been using the same techniques granted, but these techniques were on show at Nick Walkers park street show in Bristol in 06 and they was no hype what soever. What I'm trying to say is hes work hard to get to this stage on his own merit.
Congratulations to Nick the artist and the gentlemen.
How can some of you say that the prints released yesterday were over priced when they are instantly being flogged on the bay for three grand, thats around 6 times more?
Yeah they were expensive but you can't expect BRP and Nick to sell them for ยฃ50 when they,you and I know they will be sold for much much more the day after!
I also disagree with the statement that Nick has 'slid in on Banksys coat tails' they has been using the same techniques granted, but these techniques were on show at Nick Walkers park street show in Bristol in 06 and they was no hype what soever. What I'm trying to say is hes work hard to get to this stage on his own merit.
Congratulations to Nick the artist and the gentlemen.
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In My Honest Opinion, by nadir on Apr 18, 2008 12:32:08 GMT 1, whats to say they weren't behind the 50,000 Bonhams auction to create the hype?
Apparently the art world is rife with this kind of thing. Read an article on the subject a while back. Can't find it now.
whats to say they weren't behind the 50,000 Bonhams auction to create the hype? Apparently the art world is rife with this kind of thing. Read an article on the subject a while back. Can't find it now.
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In My Honest Opinion, by instinct on Apr 18, 2008 12:39:32 GMT 1, i think its great that people are expressing their ideas about nicks show/work... so here's mine... the show for me was stunning for a number of reasons. on a basic level simple asthetics (as suggested above). a number of works are just great to look at. this coupled with the quality of the execution did it for me. on another level i love the vandal theme and i think nick is right to develop the character. the vandal to me asks a lot of questions about the popular perception of what a vandal is. i think to this end there is more to do here. i also like the representation of the typical hooded vandal making the vandalism logo, i like this because of the juxtaposition of this carachter against the suited guy. i also really liked the mood boards... i think my fave pieces at the show. they were a true representation of the depth of nicks skill, so many styles in one place... so many questions for me the viewer... particualarly liked the freestyle against the stencil here. and with that said while i respect the ideas against nicks work i respectfully disagree.
i think its great that people are expressing their ideas about nicks show/work... so here's mine... the show for me was stunning for a number of reasons. on a basic level simple asthetics (as suggested above). a number of works are just great to look at. this coupled with the quality of the execution did it for me. on another level i love the vandal theme and i think nick is right to develop the character. the vandal to me asks a lot of questions about the popular perception of what a vandal is. i think to this end there is more to do here. i also like the representation of the typical hooded vandal making the vandalism logo, i like this because of the juxtaposition of this carachter against the suited guy. i also really liked the mood boards... i think my fave pieces at the show. they were a true representation of the depth of nicks skill, so many styles in one place... so many questions for me the viewer... particualarly liked the freestyle against the stencil here. and with that said while i respect the ideas against nicks work i respectfully disagree.
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In My Honest Opinion, by thetongue on Apr 18, 2008 13:10:37 GMT 1, Can't believe I didn't find this thread earlier, finally some sense!!
Can't believe I didn't find this thread earlier, finally some sense!!
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In My Honest Opinion, by ricosg11 on Apr 18, 2008 20:14:27 GMT 1, this is college dorm art. nuff said.
this is college dorm art. nuff said.
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