bonesy
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In My Honest Opinion, by bonesy on Apr 18, 2008 20:22:06 GMT 1, (I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here)
Agree 100%.
I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now.
Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something.
(I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here)
Agree 100%.
I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now.
Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something.
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Richard
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In My Honest Opinion, by Richard on Apr 18, 2008 20:31:59 GMT 1, (I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here) Agree 100%. I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now. Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something.
Banksy's were in POW for months before selling out...
(I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here) Agree 100%. I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now. Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something. Banksy's were in POW for months before selling out...
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In My Honest Opinion, by ricosg11 on Apr 18, 2008 20:35:49 GMT 1, if you think this guy is the next banksy youre nuts. There is no next Banksy, and while we are it, his work is waaaaay inflated as well and will be nothing but a foot note in art history. Kinda like those LA gear sneakers with the lights in the back.
I will give Banksy the credit for leading me to art that I love but as far as being so great historical figure, be careful what you throw your money at.
if you think this guy is the next banksy youre nuts. There is no next Banksy, and while we are it, his work is waaaaay inflated as well and will be nothing but a foot note in art history. Kinda like those LA gear sneakers with the lights in the back.
I will give Banksy the credit for leading me to art that I love but as far as being so great historical figure, be careful what you throw your money at.
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bonesy
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In My Honest Opinion, by bonesy on Apr 18, 2008 21:00:18 GMT 1, (I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here) Agree 100%. I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now. Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something. Banksy's were in POW for months before selling out...
Comparing the 2 is ridiculous. Every artist had work available for purchase at one time. My point is that I dont think Nick's work now is any better than a couple months ago when alot was available on his site. Its just that now there are 45 threads on him. People are looking for the next big guy and these values wont hold, but hey if anyone wants to trade their Banksys and shell out $XX,XXX go for it.
(I wrote this in another thread but it more applies here) Agree 100%. I had a Orange Baby Moll Edition of 10 that I bought from Nick back in January 07 for $400-$500, I think. January 08 listed it on ebay and couldnt get a $350 BIN, 2 weeks ago I got like $800. And probably could get like twice that right now. Nick does good work but this sudden attraction and demand is odd. His work is no better now IMO than it has been all along. Goods used to sit on his site forver. Everything of his is over-inflated and wont hold. Peeps are looking for the next "big guy", thats all it is. Sell it now and buy back next year if you really like something. Banksy's were in POW for months before selling out... Comparing the 2 is ridiculous. Every artist had work available for purchase at one time. My point is that I dont think Nick's work now is any better than a couple months ago when alot was available on his site. Its just that now there are 45 threads on him. People are looking for the next big guy and these values wont hold, but hey if anyone wants to trade their Banksys and shell out $XX,XXX go for it.
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In My Honest Opinion, by Lord Lucas Roham on Apr 18, 2008 21:04:05 GMT 1, I think Nick Walker is a one trick pony.
Dont rate him at all.
I think Nick Walker is a one trick pony.
Dont rate him at all.
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bonesy
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In My Honest Opinion, by bonesy on Apr 18, 2008 21:06:11 GMT 1,
Come on, he's atleast a Reebok Pump
Come on, he's atleast a Reebok Pump
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In My Honest Opinion, by dslug on Apr 18, 2008 21:07:47 GMT 1, Banksy does a bit of Warhol,cept does lichtenstein,neate does francis bacon and walker has hit success as the new Rene magritte.I have never really looked at walkers work before because I never really saw the magritte (who I like) element.I hate nikers,moona and mona simpson and cant believe people would even consider framing those but when I saw Romanywgs video the other day there were def some canvasses from this show that really appealed to me.Im still not going to pay those prices though.
Banksy does a bit of Warhol,cept does lichtenstein,neate does francis bacon and walker has hit success as the new Rene magritte.I have never really looked at walkers work before because I never really saw the magritte (who I like) element.I hate nikers,moona and mona simpson and cant believe people would even consider framing those but when I saw Romanywgs video the other day there were def some canvasses from this show that really appealed to me.Im still not going to pay those prices though.
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In My Honest Opinion, by alsbabar on Apr 18, 2008 22:16:10 GMT 1, ba humbug!!!!!!!
ba humbug!!!!!!!
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In My Honest Opinion, by griffermans on Apr 18, 2008 23:44:17 GMT 1, Nick's work has captured a global market and that's what all of you bedroom critics seem to have overlooked! Leona Lewis all the way!
Nick's work has captured a global market and that's what all of you bedroom critics seem to have overlooked! Leona Lewis all the way!
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In My Honest Opinion, by griffermans on Apr 18, 2008 23:56:48 GMT 1, And how do you sell nigh on 500k worth of art if you don't appeal to the market?
And how do you sell nigh on 500k worth of art if you don't appeal to the market?
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In My Honest Opinion, by daz205 on Apr 19, 2008 0:09:28 GMT 1, nick`s current high prices and all the talk around him is due to speculation since the bonhams auction his prices have rocketed therefore attracting the fliipers continuing the cycle this is the balloon that we were all talking about a few years ago -
i believe banksy will stay along with shep, blek, neate and micallef i believe others will come and go, i hope they have the savvy to make their money when they can and not blow it when they have it.
nick is a good artist but imo not good enough for the prices his work is commending at the moment, he has always rehashed images to death eg. mona shot, mona shot b+w, mona shot ap`s, spot mona simpson, mona simpson, black mona simpson, spot mona simpson aps, mona simpson aps, moona lisa then you have the nickers series, baby moll and now the vandal amongst others-
most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least )
however when i`ve met nick hes always been a gentleman, and a hard worker so i wish him the best of luck and hope he makes hay while the sun shines
nick`s current high prices and all the talk around him is due to speculation since the bonhams auction his prices have rocketed therefore attracting the fliipers continuing the cycle this is the balloon that we were all talking about a few years ago -
i believe banksy will stay along with shep, blek, neate and micallef i believe others will come and go, i hope they have the savvy to make their money when they can and not blow it when they have it.
nick is a good artist but imo not good enough for the prices his work is commending at the moment, he has always rehashed images to death eg. mona shot, mona shot b+w, mona shot ap`s, spot mona simpson, mona simpson, black mona simpson, spot mona simpson aps, mona simpson aps, moona lisa then you have the nickers series, baby moll and now the vandal amongst others-
most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least )
however when i`ve met nick hes always been a gentleman, and a hard worker so i wish him the best of luck and hope he makes hay while the sun shines
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In My Honest Opinion, by stuey09 on Apr 19, 2008 0:21:35 GMT 1, nick`s current high prices and all the talk around him is due to speculation since the bonhams auction his prices have rocketed therefore attracting the fliipers continuing the cycle this is the balloon that we were all talking about a few years ago - i believe banksy will stay along with shep, blek, neate and micallef i believe others will come and go, i hope they have the savvy to make their money when they can and not blow it when they have it. nick is a good artist but imo not good enough for the prices his work is commending at the moment, he has always rehashed images to death eg. mona shot, mona shot b+w, mona shot ap`s, spot mona simpson, mona simpson, black mona simpson, spot mona simpson aps, mona simpson aps, moona lisa then you have the nickers series, baby moll and now the vandal amongst others- most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least ) however when i`ve met nick hes always been a gentleman, and a hard worker so i wish him the best of luck and hope he makes hay while the sun shines
Totally agree with everything you've said in this post daz.
nick`s current high prices and all the talk around him is due to speculation since the bonhams auction his prices have rocketed therefore attracting the fliipers continuing the cycle this is the balloon that we were all talking about a few years ago - i believe banksy will stay along with shep, blek, neate and micallef i believe others will come and go, i hope they have the savvy to make their money when they can and not blow it when they have it. nick is a good artist but imo not good enough for the prices his work is commending at the moment, he has always rehashed images to death eg. mona shot, mona shot b+w, mona shot ap`s, spot mona simpson, mona simpson, black mona simpson, spot mona simpson aps, mona simpson aps, moona lisa then you have the nickers series, baby moll and now the vandal amongst others- most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least ) however when i`ve met nick hes always been a gentleman, and a hard worker so i wish him the best of luck and hope he makes hay while the sun shines Totally agree with everything you've said in this post daz.
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In My Honest Opinion, by alsbabar on Apr 19, 2008 0:22:43 GMT 1, daz, - a flipper bought the ยฃ35K life is short on metal? or the Hollywood canvas for ยฃ25K? Is Ian Brown (of stone roses) a flipper for buying some of Nicks pieces?
I take it also then you didnt buy or try to buy any of his recent releases?
daz, - a flipper bought the ยฃ35K life is short on metal? or the Hollywood canvas for ยฃ25K? Is Ian Brown (of stone roses) a flipper for buying some of Nicks pieces?
I take it also then you didnt buy or try to buy any of his recent releases?
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In My Honest Opinion, by giiiant on Apr 19, 2008 0:27:18 GMT 1, And how do you sell nigh on 500k worth of art if you don't appeal to the market?
No denying he appeals to the market... albeit for all the wrong reasons. Put it this way; had the show been held pre-Bonhams, how much work do you think would have sold?
And how do you sell nigh on 500k worth of art if you don't appeal to the market? No denying he appeals to the market... albeit for all the wrong reasons. Put it this way; had the show been held pre-Bonhams, how much work do you think would have sold?
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stuey09
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In My Honest Opinion, by stuey09 on Apr 19, 2008 0:30:47 GMT 1, I think you can take Daz's point Als. Whilst Ian Brown will have bought one of Nick's pictures with honourable intentions, there'll be plenty of others who haven't. A very similar situation to Antony Micallef last year. A quick glance at ebay provides evidence of those who've bought Nick's latest work with the sole intention of flipping.
I think you can take Daz's point Als. Whilst Ian Brown will have bought one of Nick's pictures with honourable intentions, there'll be plenty of others who haven't. A very similar situation to Antony Micallef last year. A quick glance at ebay provides evidence of those who've bought Nick's latest work with the sole intention of flipping.
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In My Honest Opinion, by daz205 on Apr 19, 2008 0:39:31 GMT 1, no actually alsbabar i didnt i already have my fair share of nicks stuff from when it was ยฃ500 for a full size canvas, however i have admittly been shifting some of my NW pieces recently as i dont believe its worth what people are willing to pay for it at the moment.
and please read my post i didnt say flippers were the only ones to fuel this bubble, there are mis informed investers looking for the next banksy who would drop ยฃ50k on a canvas without thinking, the auctions fuel the investors and flippers alike.
Its just 2 linked but different markets they play in, to the investor ยฃ50k on a canvas trying to find the next warhol/banksy and hoping for a ยฃ200k return is a caclulated risk the same applys to flippers spending ยฃ750 on a print hoping for a ยฃ2k return.
However when new investment does not enter the market, or if investors wish to trade up their stock and cash in, it would decrease demand and if no new market/investment came forward to replace that demand it would all come tumbling down - having said that i thought the same about banksy and was wrong
no actually alsbabar i didnt i already have my fair share of nicks stuff from when it was ยฃ500 for a full size canvas, however i have admittly been shifting some of my NW pieces recently as i dont believe its worth what people are willing to pay for it at the moment.
and please read my post i didnt say flippers were the only ones to fuel this bubble, there are mis informed investers looking for the next banksy who would drop ยฃ50k on a canvas without thinking, the auctions fuel the investors and flippers alike.
Its just 2 linked but different markets they play in, to the investor ยฃ50k on a canvas trying to find the next warhol/banksy and hoping for a ยฃ200k return is a caclulated risk the same applys to flippers spending ยฃ750 on a print hoping for a ยฃ2k return.
However when new investment does not enter the market, or if investors wish to trade up their stock and cash in, it would decrease demand and if no new market/investment came forward to replace that demand it would all come tumbling down - having said that i thought the same about banksy and was wrong
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In My Honest Opinion, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 19, 2008 0:45:55 GMT 1, "most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least )"
Daz, all fair comments but to be honest I think the above is the most significant - they are great to look at and humourous and that makes for what a lot of people want to hang on their walls.
"most are pleasing to the eye but unfortunatly nothing more ( to me at least )"
Daz, all fair comments but to be honest I think the above is the most significant - they are great to look at and humourous and that makes for what a lot of people want to hang on their walls.
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In My Honest Opinion, by waXology on Apr 19, 2008 4:46:33 GMT 1, Sad to see 10+ copies of Life's too short on ebay right now. Sounds like a good majority of that queue were flippers.
Sad to see 10+ copies of Life's too short on ebay right now. Sounds like a good majority of that queue were flippers.
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In My Honest Opinion, by daz205 on Apr 19, 2008 11:41:47 GMT 1, i guess it is important for an image to look good to ensure it goes up on display but with the current prices of these pieces do people not want a bit more depth for their cash?
or has everything become so diluted now that depth, emotion and meanings dont mean anything in this scene anymore?
i guess it is important for an image to look good to ensure it goes up on display but with the current prices of these pieces do people not want a bit more depth for their cash?
or has everything become so diluted now that depth, emotion and meanings dont mean anything in this scene anymore?
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In My Honest Opinion, by cashman on Apr 19, 2008 12:05:51 GMT 1, i guess it is important for an image to look good to ensure it goes up on display but with the current prices of these pieces do people not want a bit more depth for their cash? or has everything become so diluted now that depth, emotion and meanings dont mean anything in this scene anymore?
The only meaning with these is the dreamy look people have when they stare at them an see the $$$$$ signs
i guess it is important for an image to look good to ensure it goes up on display but with the current prices of these pieces do people not want a bit more depth for their cash? or has everything become so diluted now that depth, emotion and meanings dont mean anything in this scene anymore? The only meaning with these is the dreamy look people have when they stare at them an see the $$$$$ signs
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In My Honest Opinion, by daisy on Apr 19, 2008 12:38:40 GMT 1, I'm curious. How come some of Nicks earlier work commands a relatively lower price tag on ebay to the work he's produced lately?
I'm curious. How come some of Nicks earlier work commands a relatively lower price tag on ebay to the work he's produced lately?
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In My Honest Opinion, by sand on Apr 19, 2008 12:44:18 GMT 1, I'm curious. How come some of Nicks earlier work commands a relatively lower price tag on ebay to the work he's produced lately?
Simple - It's not as good.
I'm curious. How come some of Nicks earlier work commands a relatively lower price tag on ebay to the work he's produced lately? Simple - It's not as good.
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In My Honest Opinion, by crazyarsemother on Apr 19, 2008 12:55:53 GMT 1, I think Walker is good at what he does, but what he does is not that good.
My Dad referred to it as t-shirt art. I think I agree. I would not be surprised to see it on a birthday card.
I think Walker is good at what he does, but what he does is not that good.
My Dad referred to it as t-shirt art. I think I agree. I would not be surprised to see it on a birthday card.
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In My Honest Opinion, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 19, 2008 17:18:52 GMT 1, I think you can take Daz's point Als. Whilst Ian Brown will have bought one of Nick's pictures with honourable intentions, there'll be plenty of others who haven't. A very similar situation to Antony Micallef last year. A quick glance at ebay provides evidence of those who've bought Nick's latest work with the sole intention of flipping.
I agree with Daz's comments too. Stuey and Alsabar, if ebay's too far, just go to the trading section of this very site! People trying to swap Nicks prints for signed Banksies before they've even seen them in the flesh. People openly stating they bought them with no intention of keeping them etc... I think it's clear that many of those buying Nick's prints in particular are looking for a quick buck!
I think you can take Daz's point Als. Whilst Ian Brown will have bought one of Nick's pictures with honourable intentions, there'll be plenty of others who haven't. A very similar situation to Antony Micallef last year. A quick glance at ebay provides evidence of those who've bought Nick's latest work with the sole intention of flipping. I agree with Daz's comments too. Stuey and Alsabar, if ebay's too far, just go to the trading section of this very site! People trying to swap Nicks prints for signed Banksies before they've even seen them in the flesh. People openly stating they bought them with no intention of keeping them etc... I think it's clear that many of those buying Nick's prints in particular are looking for a quick buck!
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