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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 5:54:04 GMT 1, As I'm sure many of you have noticed, over the past few months this forum has become quite a different place. Whatever happened to critical discussion about art and this urban/street art movement?
Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot).
Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative...
1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously!
2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about.
3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance.
4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum.
5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair.
6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves.
7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots.
8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works.
9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses.
10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform
11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic.
12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time.
13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall.
14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring
15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness
16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person!
17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized
18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on
19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy.
20. "I spend way too much time on here" 
As I'm sure many of you have noticed, over the past few months this forum has become quite a different place. Whatever happened to critical discussion about art and this urban/street art movement? Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot). Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! 2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. 4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. 5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. 6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. 7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. 8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. 9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. 10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform 11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. 12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. 13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. 14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring 15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness 16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! 17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized 18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on 19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. 20. "I spend way too much time on here" |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by discoduster on Apr 19, 2008 6:17:18 GMT 1, and your point is....
and your point is....
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Philippe on Apr 19, 2008 6:54:05 GMT 1, that's the beauty of it there isn't any real point it's simply a reflection...well said 
that's the beauty of it there isn't any real point it's simply a reflection...well said |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by pezlow on Apr 19, 2008 7:06:36 GMT 1, I agree with nearly everything you say.
I agree with nearly everything you say.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Daniel Silk on Apr 19, 2008 7:10:55 GMT 1, Much of what you say is very true and also some of the things your against people doing  you actually do yourself within the same post ;D
Much of what you say is very true and also some of the things your against people doing you actually do yourself within the same post ;D |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by veralynn on Apr 19, 2008 8:20:02 GMT 1, Points 2 & 3 totally agree - I find it astonishing that there isn't some kind of price control relative to supply and demand that deems it pointless to sit outside a Gallery for 2 days.
I don't blame those who do it but this shouldn't be some kind of endurance competition where the prize is an unknown uplift in the price of a print. There must be someone on here (ain't me) who has he clout at least to try and address this?
Points 2 & 3 totally agree - I find it astonishing that there isn't some kind of price control relative to supply and demand that deems it pointless to sit outside a Gallery for 2 days.
I don't blame those who do it but this shouldn't be some kind of endurance competition where the prize is an unknown uplift in the price of a print. There must be someone on here (ain't me) who has he clout at least to try and address this?
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by G-Man on Apr 19, 2008 8:36:57 GMT 1, Fair play Key
As I have always said the forum should allow all oppinions and welcome discussion, the only way to strt great debate is for people to have different views
Everyone should say what they think NOT what they think people on hree want to think
Also more people who lurk should voice themselves
Fair play Key
As I have always said the forum should allow all oppinions and welcome discussion, the only way to strt great debate is for people to have different views
Everyone should say what they think NOT what they think people on hree want to think
Also more people who lurk should voice themselves
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by onemandown72 on Apr 19, 2008 8:38:59 GMT 1, Nice to see a considered opinion shared.
Nice to see a considered opinion shared.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by skanky on Apr 19, 2008 8:44:30 GMT 1, Overall with the tone of your post you come across as arrogant and a bit condescending, you have mentioned the artists you rate so I assume the rest are garbage ? Some good points made but disagree with your opinion on Gossell way too harsh, but you are welcome to your opinion and I mine. As you seem to know everything I will make sure I check in with you before I buy my next piece and I would urge everyone else on here to do the same.
Overall with the tone of your post you come across as arrogant and a bit condescending, you have mentioned the artists you rate so I assume the rest are garbage ? Some good points made but disagree with your opinion on Gossell way too harsh, but you are welcome to your opinion and I mine. As you seem to know everything I will make sure I check in with you before I buy my next piece and I would urge everyone else on here to do the same.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Photoxtc on Apr 19, 2008 8:46:03 GMT 1, 6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves.
soooooooooo true!!!!
6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves.
soooooooooo true!!!!
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by buffin on Apr 19, 2008 8:48:39 GMT 1, Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway
Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by becksaboo on Apr 19, 2008 8:51:16 GMT 1, It has got better since the respect system went but you have to remember that everyone has diff tastes so just because you don't like something it doesn't mean others can't. If it's all about the image then why does it matter who the ones are which will last the longest? If you love the image it's irrelevant.
It has got better since the respect system went but you have to remember that everyone has diff tastes so just because you don't like something it doesn't mean others can't. If it's all about the image then why does it matter who the ones are which will last the longest? If you love the image it's irrelevant.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by manchestermike on Apr 19, 2008 8:55:09 GMT 1, 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance.
Still don't get the Swoon thing at all (or for that matter Parla), why should they have historical relevance instead of others?
3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. Still don't get the Swoon thing at all (or for that matter Parla), why should they have historical relevance instead of others? |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by skelly on Apr 19, 2008 8:59:50 GMT 1, I really like the post even being a newer member. I see a lot of problems on here, but simply problems that will occur in a community. I like number 16 on your list. I have similar taste in art, the artists you mention are some of my favorites other than swoon, maybe swap bast in her place.
I really like the post even being a newer member. I see a lot of problems on here, but simply problems that will occur in a community. I like number 16 on your list. I have similar taste in art, the artists you mention are some of my favorites other than swoon, maybe swap bast in her place.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Curley on Apr 19, 2008 9:12:59 GMT 1, How very true in most cases. Good post.
How very true in most cases. Good post.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by cashman on Apr 19, 2008 9:20:49 GMT 1, No. 10 somes it up
No. 10 somes it up
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by lastpost on Apr 19, 2008 9:22:07 GMT 1, 20. "I spend way too much time on here"
Lurking?
I agree in the main, not fresh news though.
20. "I spend way too much time on here" Lurking? I agree in the main, not fresh news though. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by mcster on Apr 19, 2008 9:23:06 GMT 1, You've covered it all pretty well, so not much more to post. 100% right about the self interest thing, although you could argue that without galleries, artists and to some extent collectors, having their own best interests at heart the scene wouldn't exist. When someone does a street piece they are showing off, galleries need to make money to survive and collectors would rather they have the latest Banksy than another collector. I wonder if we sometimes take it all a little too seriously, especially as collectors. There are times I look at my collection and wonder if this isn't just a grown-up version of collecting Panini Stickers....
You've covered it all pretty well, so not much more to post. 100% right about the self interest thing, although you could argue that without galleries, artists and to some extent collectors, having their own best interests at heart the scene wouldn't exist. When someone does a street piece they are showing off, galleries need to make money to survive and collectors would rather they have the latest Banksy than another collector. I wonder if we sometimes take it all a little too seriously, especially as collectors. There are times I look at my collection and wonder if this isn't just a grown-up version of collecting Panini Stickers....
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Philippe on Apr 19, 2008 9:23:46 GMT 1, Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway
Maybe some of Faile's early work during the turn of the century was remotely similar to Mimmo Rotella's execution but asides from that not at all.
Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway Maybe some of Faile's early work during the turn of the century was remotely similar to Mimmo Rotella's execution but asides from that not at all. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by artyfarty on Apr 19, 2008 9:24:36 GMT 1, Great post and very relevant to Nick Walker at the moment. Flippers, "online galleries" couldn't sell his prints and the majority of people on here were slating much of his output, particularly the POW nonsense. One good auction result and people are queuing overnight. What was Damien Hirst's skull supposed to represent again........?
Great post and very relevant to Nick Walker at the moment. Flippers, "online galleries" couldn't sell his prints and the majority of people on here were slating much of his output, particularly the POW nonsense. One good auction result and people are queuing overnight. What was Damien Hirst's skull supposed to represent again........?
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by arcam on Apr 19, 2008 9:38:44 GMT 1, Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot).
I pretty much agree with all that. Good post.
Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot). I pretty much agree with all that. Good post. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by cashman on Apr 19, 2008 9:40:13 GMT 1, As I'm sure many of you have noticed, over the past few months this forum has become quite a different place. Whatever happened to critical discussion about art and this urban/street art movement? Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot). Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! 2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. 4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. 5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. 6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. 7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. 8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. 9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. 10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform 11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. 12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. 13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. 14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring 15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness 16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! 17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized 18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on 19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. 20. "I spend way too much time on here"
Youv been a memeber for 2 years, maybe you should post/contribute a tad mor
As I'm sure many of you have noticed, over the past few months this forum has become quite a different place. Whatever happened to critical discussion about art and this urban/street art movement? Below are some thoughts of mine that I would argue people are afraid to admit or say. I wholeheartedly believe every statement below (this isn't just to stir the pot). Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! 2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. 4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. 5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. 6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. 7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. 8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. 9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. 10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform 11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. 12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. 13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. 14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring 15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness 16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! 17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized 18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on 19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. 20. "I spend way too much time on here" Youv been a memeber for 2 years, maybe you should post/contribute a tad mor |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by goffy on Apr 19, 2008 10:02:20 GMT 1, I also agree with a lot of your points especially number 1. Even if there is no accounting for taste there is still a lot of crap out there.
I also agree with a lot of your points especially number 1. Even if there is no accounting for taste there is still a lot of crap out there.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by slacker on Apr 19, 2008 10:20:36 GMT 1, Great post and very relevant to Nick Walker at the moment. Flippers, "online galleries" couldn't sell his prints and the majority of people on here were slating much of his output, particularly the POW nonsense. One good auction result and people are queuing overnight. What was Damien Hirst's skull supposed to represent again........?
i didn't like most of his older stuff but really like the tma/vandal series. i think the general improvement in his work (or the fact that he is tackling more popular subjects) has more to do with the increase than the fact there was one good auction result.
3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. Still don't get the Swoon thing at all (or for that matter Parla), why should they have historical relevance instead of others?
personally i don't really get the faile thing either and i can see what people like about the neate's but they aint for me (would probably change my view if i saw one in the flesh tho). people would have had micallef on that list a year ago...
it's all about personal tastes. just buy what you like and what you can afford and you can't go far wrong.
Great post and very relevant to Nick Walker at the moment. Flippers, "online galleries" couldn't sell his prints and the majority of people on here were slating much of his output, particularly the POW nonsense. One good auction result and people are queuing overnight. What was Damien Hirst's skull supposed to represent again........? i didn't like most of his older stuff but really like the tma/vandal series. i think the general improvement in his work (or the fact that he is tackling more popular subjects) has more to do with the increase than the fact there was one good auction result. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. Still don't get the Swoon thing at all (or for that matter Parla), why should they have historical relevance instead of others? personally i don't really get the faile thing either and i can see what people like about the neate's but they aint for me (would probably change my view if i saw one in the flesh tho). people would have had micallef on that list a year ago... it's all about personal tastes. just buy what you like and what you can afford and you can't go far wrong. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by barry cilit on Apr 19, 2008 10:21:01 GMT 1, as we are all posting our opinions here I find that both Greg Gossell and Faile are equal.
i.e they both own the same 1950's clip art CD
could someone post 5 valuable reasons why Faile are mentioned alongside these other artists?
I WANT 5 REASONS and being in Laz's stable don't count!
as we are all posting our opinions here I find that both Greg Gossell and Faile are equal.
i.e they both own the same 1950's clip art CD
could someone post 5 valuable reasons why Faile are mentioned alongside these other artists?
I WANT 5 REASONS and being in Laz's stable don't count!
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by guest2 on Apr 19, 2008 10:26:12 GMT 1, Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! I agree but I'm sure i think some of the artists you like are s**t, it's all subjective so live and let live2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. Thats the nature of the beast and the movement we are involved with. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. And what about Barry McGee, Kaws, Futura, Os Gemeos etc etc. Who knows who'll be around in 10 years time. No one does.4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. Yes a year in the life of street art seems like several. It's good fun, we pack alot in.
5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. I thought you said you wouldn't slag of artists incase the thread gets locked?6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. Including you wanting some attention here.7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. He's a clever man but even he can't control everything!8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. It's not really changed my life.9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. There are fake nike trainers out there also, so what - buyer beware.10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform Get over it!11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. Next....12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. You kind of mentioned that in point 3.13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. What are you, a policeman?14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring It's getting boring now...15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness Now you're mother teresa16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! I think we all do, you worry far too much.17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized So get on with it then...18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on Thats what they are doing, see your point number 8.19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. He is a graff artist, graff gets removed, Banksys work stays up longer than anyones so be happy and go see it while it's there and stop bloody moaning.
20. "I spend way too much time on here"
So do I
Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! I agree but I'm sure i think some of the artists you like are s**t, it's all subjective so live and let live2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. Thats the nature of the beast and the movement we are involved with. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. And what about Barry McGee, Kaws, Futura, Os Gemeos etc etc. Who knows who'll be around in 10 years time. No one does.4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. Yes a year in the life of street art seems like several. It's good fun, we pack alot in.
5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. I thought you said you wouldn't slag of artists incase the thread gets locked?6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. Including you wanting some attention here.7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. He's a clever man but even he can't control everything!8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. It's not really changed my life.9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. There are fake nike trainers out there also, so what - buyer beware.10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform Get over it!11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. Next....12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. You kind of mentioned that in point 3.13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. What are you, a policeman?14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring It's getting boring now...15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness Now you're mother teresa16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! I think we all do, you worry far too much.17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized So get on with it then...18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on Thats what they are doing, see your point number 8.19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. He is a graff artist, graff gets removed, Banksys work stays up longer than anyones so be happy and go see it while it's there and stop bloody moaning.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by snakes on Apr 19, 2008 10:35:27 GMT 1, I am afraid of posting pictures of me wearing stockings & suspenders with my high heels as my pant beard is clearly visible in them!
I am afraid of posting pictures of me wearing stockings & suspenders with my high heels as my pant beard is clearly visible in them!
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by insite on Apr 19, 2008 10:40:45 GMT 1, I am afraid of posting pictures of me wearing stockings & suspenders with my high heels as my pant beard is clearly visible in them!
Not as afraid as the rest of us
I am afraid of posting pictures of me wearing stockings & suspenders with my high heels as my pant beard is clearly visible in them! Not as afraid as the rest of us |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by skanky on Apr 19, 2008 10:52:07 GMT 1, Nice one Frankie took the words right out of my mouth . Lets add Matt Small, Herakut, Insect ,Walker............... Who are these people you talk about who are afraid to post ? It stinks of look at me I know everything and you fools know nothing. Anyone who lists a post like this telling us all how it is, is so full of their own self importance its laughable. Hope my avatar makes you feel a bit sick.
Nice one Frankie took the words right out of my mouth . Lets add Matt Small, Herakut, Insect ,Walker............... Who are these people you talk about who are afraid to post ? It stinks of look at me I know everything and you fools know nothing. Anyone who lists a post like this telling us all how it is, is so full of their own self importance its laughable. Hope my avatar makes you feel a bit sick.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Deleted on Apr 19, 2008 10:53:22 GMT 1, keysersoze- anything to do with Verbalklint are you?
keysersoze- anything to do with Verbalklint are you?
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you actually do yourself within the same post ;D
