Rude Copper
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Rude Copper on Apr 19, 2008 11:15:01 GMT 1, som interesting points, & a nice post from frankie,
gossel is to faile, as banksy is to blek, if in time gossel produces better work in this medium, as banksy has with blek, surely he would be the better artist?, i like neither so its purely an observation,
im not a big fan of the man, but i think the work that laz has been doing over the last couple of years may become all the more evident, now he's not doing it, his ability to promote is excellent, & it'll be interesting to see if pest control can match it.
and as for wal lk an dy, does the fact that its resourceful compensate for the fact its sooooooo boring?
som interesting points, & a nice post from frankie,
gossel is to faile, as banksy is to blek, if in time gossel produces better work in this medium, as banksy has with blek, surely he would be the better artist?, i like neither so its purely an observation,
im not a big fan of the man, but i think the work that laz has been doing over the last couple of years may become all the more evident, now he's not doing it, his ability to promote is excellent, & it'll be interesting to see if pest control can match it.
and as for wal lk an dy, does the fact that its resourceful compensate for the fact its sooooooo boring?
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Rude Copper on Apr 19, 2008 11:17:14 GMT 1, silky, you really should remove the filter on wa ll ka ndy, it's so petty.
silky, you really should remove the filter on wa ll ka ndy, it's so petty.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by graeme501 on Apr 19, 2008 11:19:57 GMT 1, i dont agree with point number 1
not everyone can afford ยฃ1000 prints and pay big money for originals, there is a place for them, but at the same time, there is a place for these wee ยฃ50 hand sprayed canvases and such like
no1 is forcing anyone to buy, some i dont like, but thats art, its subjective
i dont agree with point number 1
not everyone can afford ยฃ1000 prints and pay big money for originals, there is a place for them, but at the same time, there is a place for these wee ยฃ50 hand sprayed canvases and such like
no1 is forcing anyone to buy, some i dont like, but thats art, its subjective
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Prescription Art
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Prescription Art on Apr 19, 2008 13:03:39 GMT 1,
I agree it's not clear cut who will last the test of time. But at the same time, so what if other people don't. If you want great art on your walls then whether an artist goes down in history or not shouldn't really matter. Whether or not it makes you happy should be the only thing that matters, and you don't have to spend tens of thousands on a Parla original to acheive this. The only consideration is if you're spending thousands of pounds in the expectation that you're going to make thousands more.
And I like Greg Gossell as well... I got an original recently that's replaced 'Napalm' on the wall. Faile's tearful girl motif is ripped off Liechenstein anyway.
I agree it's not clear cut who will last the test of time. But at the same time, so what if other people don't. If you want great art on your walls then whether an artist goes down in history or not shouldn't really matter. Whether or not it makes you happy should be the only thing that matters, and you don't have to spend tens of thousands on a Parla original to acheive this. The only consideration is if you're spending thousands of pounds in the expectation that you're going to make thousands more.
And I like Greg Gossell as well... I got an original recently that's replaced 'Napalm' on the wall. Faile's tearful girl motif is ripped off Liechenstein anyway.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by bonesy on Apr 19, 2008 13:12:07 GMT 1, While I agree with alot of points made in the list I dont think many are afraid to post their feelings.
It makes sense the hyped up "this months flavor" threads are more rampant (Nick Waker right now perfect example), people are excited.
And if you take this point you made, which I agree with:
"If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot."
It also makes sense that people arent going to trash artists if they own anything by them because that can only hurt values. Not that theyre scared to post their opinions.
While I agree with alot of points made in the list I dont think many are afraid to post their feelings.
It makes sense the hyped up "this months flavor" threads are more rampant (Nick Waker right now perfect example), people are excited.
And if you take this point you made, which I agree with:
"If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot."
It also makes sense that people arent going to trash artists if they own anything by them because that can only hurt values. Not that theyre scared to post their opinions.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by orangematt on Apr 19, 2008 13:26:35 GMT 1, keysersoze-
We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves.
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"If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot."
self-interest - a usefull evolutionary mechanism that ensures you stay alive rather than dead - yes
self-interest - a selfish , self-interest attitude , encouraged in current culture , growing exponentially since Thatcher years , the i'm all right jack -Fuk you generation - applies to Everyone - NO
Philanthropy? sacrifice ? Charity ?
keysersoze-
We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves.
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"If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot."
self-interest - a usefull evolutionary mechanism that ensures you stay alive rather than dead - yes
self-interest - a selfish , self-interest attitude , encouraged in current culture , growing exponentially since Thatcher years , the i'm all right jack -Fuk you generation - applies to Everyone - NO
Philanthropy? sacrifice ? Charity ?
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by cashman on Apr 19, 2008 13:26:59 GMT 1, And with the Greg Gossell comment imo he's more of a cross between lichtenstein and a good Baldwin
And with the Greg Gossell comment imo he's more of a cross between lichtenstein and a good Baldwin
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by paulypaul on Apr 19, 2008 13:34:57 GMT 1, We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves.
Ahhh! That explains why I see sick and twisted deviants everywhere..
We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves. Ahhh! That explains why I see sick and twisted deviants everywhere.. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by bullet on Apr 19, 2008 13:37:29 GMT 1, Swoon?
Possibly the biggest bullshit art ever.
absolute rubbish
Swoon?
Possibly the biggest bullshit art ever.
absolute rubbish
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by romanywg on Apr 19, 2008 13:38:23 GMT 1, Best reply ever Frankie. Now maybe keysersoze will reply in 30 days time as he has been on here for 18 months and posted 30 odd times.
Best reply ever Frankie. Now maybe keysersoze will reply in 30 days time as he has been on here for 18 months and posted 30 odd times.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by orangematt on Apr 19, 2008 13:49:28 GMT 1, We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves. Ahhh! That explains why I see sick and twisted deviants everywhere..
 LOL - Ah !! all becomes clear ?
We all see the world as an external manifestation of our inner selves. Ahhh! That explains why I see sick and twisted deviants everywhere.. LOL - Ah !! all becomes clear ? |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by mcnuts on Apr 19, 2008 13:51:26 GMT 1, Swoon? Possibly the biggest bulls**t art ever. absolute rubbish
Dface is WAY bette eh?  
Swoon? Possibly the biggest bulls**t art ever. absolute rubbish Dface is WAY bette eh? |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by richy00 on Apr 19, 2008 13:55:08 GMT 1, i prefere dface to swoon.
its all personal opinion
i prefere dface to swoon.
its all personal opinion
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by cashman on Apr 19, 2008 13:55:10 GMT 1, Best reply ever Frankie. Now maybe keysersoze will reply in 30 days time as he has been on here for 18 months and posted 30 odd times.
Ive just read back through there past posts & it just seems to be a lot of the same opinions spat out every few months
Best reply ever Frankie. Now maybe keysersoze will reply in 30 days time as he has been on here for 18 months and posted 30 odd times. Ive just read back through there past posts & it just seems to be a lot of the same opinions spat out every few months |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by motor on Apr 19, 2008 14:11:08 GMT 1, gossel is to faile, as banksy is to blek, if in time gossel produces better work in this medium, as banksy has with blek, surely he would be the better artist?
Faile's tearful girl motif is ripped off Liechenstein anyway.
True no one is really original. And there could be a separate thread with lots of pages about which artists have a simillar styles, techique...
But it is one thing to be inspired by and another one being just fucking lame and ripping off another artists style.
gossel is to faile, as banksy is to blek, if in time gossel produces better work in this medium, as banksy has with blek, surely he would be the better artist? Faile's tearful girl motif is ripped off Liechenstein anyway. True no one is really original. And there could be a separate thread with lots of pages about which artists have a simillar styles, techique... But it is one thing to be inspired by and another one being just fucking lame and ripping off another artists style. |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by bullet on Apr 19, 2008 14:57:39 GMT 1, Swoon? Possibly the biggest bulls**t art ever. absolute rubbish Dface is WAY bette eh?
i would rather buy a dface than a swoon.
dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print.
they are boring
Swoon? Possibly the biggest bulls**t art ever. absolute rubbish Dface is WAY bette eh? i would rather buy a dface than a swoon. dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print. they are boring |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by barry cilit on Apr 19, 2008 15:07:52 GMT 1, I KNEW NO ONE COULD GIVE ME 5 REASONS WHY FAILE ARE GOOD!!!
and as for Swoon...
I KNEW NO ONE COULD GIVE ME 5 REASONS WHY FAILE ARE GOOD!!!
and as for Swoon...
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by manchestermike on Apr 19, 2008 15:11:40 GMT 1, Dface is WAY bette eh? i would rather buy a dface than a swoon. dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print. they are boring
I'm not a fan of Swoon overall, but if you offered me her latest couple of prints of D*Face's latest then I'd take the Swoons... the Street Improvements bore me to tears
Dface is WAY bette eh? i would rather buy a dface than a swoon. dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print. they are boring I'm not a fan of Swoon overall, but if you offered me her latest couple of prints of D*Face's latest then I'd take the Swoons... the Street Improvements bore me to tears |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by paulypaul on Apr 19, 2008 15:19:45 GMT 1, dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print. Didn't know anyone who would queue for Nick Walker till a few days ago... Not a particluarly good barometer of quality, I would say... (ps - not knocking NW - just don't think queues are a good measure...) (pps - did you know the word 'queue' is the only word in English with 4 vowels in a row...)
dont know anyone that would stand in line for a swoon print. Didn't know anyone who would queue for Nick Walker till a few days ago... Not a particluarly good barometer of quality, I would say... (ps - not knocking NW - just don't think queues are a good measure...) (pps - did you know the word 'queue' is the only word in English with 4 vowels in a row...) |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by bullet on Apr 19, 2008 15:30:20 GMT 1, that fact is more interesting than swoon.
I agree with the street improvements, but thats one print. All swoons are boring and pretty much all the same.
yawn, another piece done on a plank...oh and another on a plank using boring colours, oh and another.
that fact is more interesting than swoon.
I agree with the street improvements, but thats one print. All swoons are boring and pretty much all the same.
yawn, another piece done on a plank...oh and another on a plank using boring colours, oh and another.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Rene Gagnon on Apr 19, 2008 15:49:42 GMT 1, "one mans trash, is another mans treasure" they say... you could argue all day and justify in your head why one is better than another, it's a moot point. oh and i'd love to know what the deciding factor is when predicting the longevity of an artist? come on be serious... any true artist is going to spend their entire life creating, even if all they can afford is a sharpie and sketch book, it's like oxygen for us regardless of what people think and how much money it makes. my true love is doing large abstracts, do they sell? no. but it doesn't stop me, just like it won't stop some other artist from doing what they enjoy doing. i like to think that every artist does it for the pure enjoyment of making something real that was once unreal. so the ones who are supposedly trying to hop on the band wagon will be flushed out with time or they may be someone who is inspired and discovers a piece of themselves they didn't know they had. IMO i would rather put an original on my wall than buy some lame reproduction poster. so there is a place for everyone. remember there is someone out there in the world to buy everyone's art, it's our job to find them... i'm on vacation this week, you'll find me not giving a shit and whipping paint at canvas.. ;D
"one mans trash, is another mans treasure" they say... you could argue all day and justify in your head why one is better than another, it's a moot point. oh and i'd love to know what the deciding factor is when predicting the longevity of an artist? come on be serious... any true artist is going to spend their entire life creating, even if all they can afford is a sharpie and sketch book, it's like oxygen for us regardless of what people think and how much money it makes. my true love is doing large abstracts, do they sell? no. but it doesn't stop me, just like it won't stop some other artist from doing what they enjoy doing. i like to think that every artist does it for the pure enjoyment of making something real that was once unreal. so the ones who are supposedly trying to hop on the band wagon will be flushed out with time or they may be someone who is inspired and discovers a piece of themselves they didn't know they had. IMO i would rather put an original on my wall than buy some lame reproduction poster. so there is a place for everyone. remember there is someone out there in the world to buy everyone's art, it's our job to find them... i'm on vacation this week, you'll find me not giving a shit and whipping paint at canvas.. ;D |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by lee3 on Apr 19, 2008 16:19:37 GMT 1, Interesting points and after reading the initial post, I took issue with point 5 regarding Gossell since all artists find their inspiration somewhere and time and again that inspiration is often quite similar within a group of artists whether it was comic book characters around the birth of pop art or picasso's hand at cubism that inspired many imitators, etc., etc. You can climb back through modern art and just keep going backwards as imitation is nothing new.
So big deal Gossell's art looks like Faile's who's in turn shows an obvious connection to the hains/villegle/rotella's of the world who in turn were heavily influenced by the abstract painters of the previous decade and simply discovered a "new" medium to work their craft.
IMHO, the artists that really hit me the hardest either have their own unique style (which is few and far between), have mastered all of the basics and produce unmistakably jaw dropping work, or mesh an obvious link/influence from those that came before in a style that is all their own. There is a fine line between inspiration and imitation and some walk it better than others.
Interesting points and after reading the initial post, I took issue with point 5 regarding Gossell since all artists find their inspiration somewhere and time and again that inspiration is often quite similar within a group of artists whether it was comic book characters around the birth of pop art or picasso's hand at cubism that inspired many imitators, etc., etc. You can climb back through modern art and just keep going backwards as imitation is nothing new.
So big deal Gossell's art looks like Faile's who's in turn shows an obvious connection to the hains/villegle/rotella's of the world who in turn were heavily influenced by the abstract painters of the previous decade and simply discovered a "new" medium to work their craft.
IMHO, the artists that really hit me the hardest either have their own unique style (which is few and far between), have mastered all of the basics and produce unmistakably jaw dropping work, or mesh an obvious link/influence from those that came before in a style that is all their own. There is a fine line between inspiration and imitation and some walk it better than others.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by buffin on Apr 19, 2008 16:25:06 GMT 1, IMHO, the artists that really hit me the hardest either have their own unique style (which is few and far between), have mastered all of the basics and produce unmistakably jaw dropping work, or mesh an obvious link/influence from those that came before in a style that is all their own. There is a fine line between inspiration and imitation and some walk it better than others.
Care to name some names?
IMHO, the artists that really hit me the hardest either have their own unique style (which is few and far between), have mastered all of the basics and produce unmistakably jaw dropping work, or mesh an obvious link/influence from those that came before in a style that is all their own. There is a fine line between inspiration and imitation and some walk it better than others. Care to name some names? |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by lee3 on Apr 19, 2008 16:39:42 GMT 1, >>Care to name some names?<<<
the list is endless. Picasso, Pollock, Twombly, Rotella, Villegle, Hains, Klein, Fontana, Warhol, Lichtenstein, Ramos, Thiebaud, Oldenburg, Stella, John's, C. Brown, Helnwein, Goings, mondrian and the nice link to calder, miro, Chamberlin, Ruscha, Wesselmann, Rivers, dubuffet, van gogh, p. guston from the past 10 years of my life. The past year I've really gotten into Banksy, Choe, Os gemeos and always keep my eye out almost habitually looking for the next bus. There are only a handful of artsts that I just simply don't understand how/why they go to where they are but it certainly doesn't bother me.
>>Care to name some names?<<<
the list is endless. Picasso, Pollock, Twombly, Rotella, Villegle, Hains, Klein, Fontana, Warhol, Lichtenstein, Ramos, Thiebaud, Oldenburg, Stella, John's, C. Brown, Helnwein, Goings, mondrian and the nice link to calder, miro, Chamberlin, Ruscha, Wesselmann, Rivers, dubuffet, van gogh, p. guston from the past 10 years of my life. The past year I've really gotten into Banksy, Choe, Os gemeos and always keep my eye out almost habitually looking for the next bus. There are only a handful of artsts that I just simply don't understand how/why they go to where they are but it certainly doesn't bother me.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by buffin on Apr 19, 2008 16:56:10 GMT 1, Thanks Lee. Couple names there that are new to me that I'll certainly look further into.
Thanks Lee. Couple names there that are new to me that I'll certainly look further into.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by lee3 on Apr 19, 2008 16:59:16 GMT 1, No worries and now that i reread that list there are good 20 names sitting in my head that i missed. There sure is a lot of GREAT art out there.
No worries and now that i reread that list there are good 20 names sitting in my head that i missed. There sure is a lot of GREAT art out there.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by funyoung on Apr 19, 2008 17:00:13 GMT 1, I'm afraid to post on this post.
I'm afraid to post on this post.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 17:13:39 GMT 1, keysersoze- anything to do with Verbalklint are you?
Absolutely not
keysersoze- anything to do with Verbalklint are you? Absolutely not |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 17:19:42 GMT 1, Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! I agree but I'm sure i think some of the artists you like are s**t, it's all subjective so live and let live2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. Thats the nature of the beast and the movement we are involved with. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. And what about Barry McGee, Kaws, Futura, Os Gemeos etc etc. Who knows who'll be around in 10 years time. No one does.4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. Yes a year in the life of street art seems like several. It's good fun, we pack alot in.
5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. I thought you said you wouldn't slag of artists incase the thread gets locked?6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. Including you wanting some attention here.7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. He's a clever man but even he can't control everything!8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. It's not really changed my life.9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. There are fake nike trainers out there also, so what - buyer beware.10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform Get over it!11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. Next....12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. You kind of mentioned that in point 3.13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. What are you, a policeman?14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring It's getting boring now...15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness Now you're mother teresa16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! I think we all do, you worry far too much.17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized So get on with it then...18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on Thats what they are doing, see your point number 8.19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. He is a graff artist, graff gets removed, Banksys work stays up longer than anyones so be happy and go see it while it's there and stop bloody moaning.
20. "I spend way too much time on here"
Glad this is spurring some good discussion. Frankie - thanks for commenting on all my whole post. I'll further clarify on some
1. Definitely subjective - just giving my opinion. If we all liked the same artists this forum would be very boring and prices would be even more astronomical than they already are
3. I do like Os Gemeos. I probably should have included them in my list
5. His art really irks me (and self-admitedly I like Faile). A lot of forum-related artists are just garbage imho. Gossell looks to be fairly talented but he's literally not doing anything different. I know good artists copy, great artists steal... but he's stealing and not progressin/making it any better imho again!
10. I disagree strongly. Why wouldn't you support something that furthers the art movement as a whole?
20. Amen my friend
Please add your true feelings whether positive or negative... 1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously! I agree but I'm sure i think some of the artists you like are s**t, it's all subjective so live and let live2. The whole act of buying prints (may it be online or queuing outside) has greatly detracted/hurt the urban art movement. It has taken almost all of the fun out of something we all used to be more passionate about. Thats the nature of the beast and the movement we are involved with. 3. Jose Parla, Adam Neate, Faile , Banksy & Swoon are truly playing on another level compared to others. These are artists that will stand the test of time and have historical relevance. And what about Barry McGee, Kaws, Futura, Os Gemeos etc etc. Who knows who'll be around in 10 years time. No one does.4. People have the wrong mentality with regards to 'time' when it comes to Urban Art. 1-2 years is nothing! Any little hiccup or positive bump is over-analysed ad naseum. Yes a year in the life of street art seems like several. It's good fun, we pack alot in.
5. Greg Gossell is a bootleg Faile. It sickens me how uncreative this artist is. I'd almost rather he copy their images completely and sell them at a street fair. I thought you said you wouldn't slag of artists incase the thread gets locked?6. If you don't believe everyone is self-interested to a certain extent you're an idiot. May it be the serial print flipper, the various online galleries, the actual galleries & gallerists, the people bidding up pieces at auction, and the artists themselves. Including you wanting some attention here.7. You shouldn't be surprised Laz wasn't calling the shots. He's a clever man but even he can't control everything!8. Thank God Pest Control has been created to authenticate Bansky works. It's not really changed my life.9. It's scary as hell forgeries have made it not only onto Ebay but into the major auction houses. There are fake nike trainers out there also, so what - buyer beware.10. The fact that another highly resourceful Urban Art forum can't even be mentioned here is a travesty and ultimately hurts the scene/artform Get over it!11. Comparing auction house results to Ebay sales doesn't make much sense . Catering to a totally different demographic. Next....12. 90% of the artists mentioned/around now will not stand the test of time. You kind of mentioned that in point 3.13. Way too many prints sitting in portfolios with the hope of increased value that will never see a wall. What are you, a policeman?14. Way too much speculation/hype/flipping occurring It's getting boring now...15. SOS should be applauded for their social consciousness Now you're mother teresa16. Most forum members need to go outside more and interact with actual humans, in person! I think we all do, you worry far too much.17. We need actual art criticism, not internet art forums if Urban/Street Art is truly going to be legitimized So get on with it then...18. POW/Pest Control need to truly address the Banksy forgery problem going on Thats what they are doing, see your point number 8.19. Banksy's work on the street should actually stay on the street for the masses to enjoy. He is a graff artist, graff gets removed, Banksys work stays up longer than anyones so be happy and go see it while it's there and stop bloody moaning.
20. "I spend way too much time on here" Glad this is spurring some good discussion. Frankie - thanks for commenting on all my whole post. I'll further clarify on some 1. Definitely subjective - just giving my opinion. If we all liked the same artists this forum would be very boring and prices would be even more astronomical than they already are 3. I do like Os Gemeos. I probably should have included them in my list 5. His art really irks me (and self-admitedly I like Faile). A lot of forum-related artists are just garbage imho. Gossell looks to be fairly talented but he's literally not doing anything different. I know good artists copy, great artists steal... but he's stealing and not progressin/making it any better imho again! 10. I disagree strongly. Why wouldn't you support something that furthers the art movement as a whole? 20. Amen my friend |
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by funyoung on Apr 19, 2008 17:21:39 GMT 1, In fact no. I lied. My thoughts? Mostly negative as having a bad day.
What a lot of words. How you managed to span it out to 20 points I don't know.
Brevity is key here.
1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them.
2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'.
3. You think 'pest control' is good.
4. People buy stuff, put it in portfolios (varying lengths of time), then sell it.
5. Art markets fluctuate over time.
Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though.
So do I agree? Well nothing really new is it?
In fact no. I lied. My thoughts? Mostly negative as having a bad day.
What a lot of words. How you managed to span it out to 20 points I don't know.
Brevity is key here.
1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them.
2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'.
3. You think 'pest control' is good.
4. People buy stuff, put it in portfolios (varying lengths of time), then sell it.
5. Art markets fluctuate over time.
Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though.
So do I agree? Well nothing really new is it?
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LOL - Ah !! all becomes clear ?
