keysersoze
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 17:21:48 GMT 1, Hope my avatar makes you feel a bit sick.
Not at all skanky. Based on my lurking you have an incredible collection and I've always enjoyed reading what you post. Personally his work does nothing for me. Glad it speaks deeply to you.
Could you maybe tell us why it does speak to you? Or how you find his work different from Faile?
Hope my avatar makes you feel a bit sick. Not at all skanky. Based on my lurking you have an incredible collection and I've always enjoyed reading what you post. Personally his work does nothing for me. Glad it speaks deeply to you. Could you maybe tell us why it does speak to you? Or how you find his work different from Faile?
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funyoung
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by funyoung on Apr 19, 2008 17:22:34 GMT 1, In fact no. I lied. My thoughts? Mostly negative as having a bad day. What a lot of words. How you managed to span it out to 20 points I don't know. Brevity is key here.
1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them. 2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'. 3. You think 'pest control' is good. 4. People buy stuff, put it in portfolios (varying lengths of time), then sell it. 5. Art markets fluctuate over time.
Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though.
So do I agree? Well nothing really new is it?
In fact no. I lied. My thoughts? Mostly negative as having a bad day. What a lot of words. How you managed to span it out to 20 points I don't know. Brevity is key here.
1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them. 2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'. 3. You think 'pest control' is good. 4. People buy stuff, put it in portfolios (varying lengths of time), then sell it. 5. Art markets fluctuate over time.
Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though.
So do I agree? Well nothing really new is it?
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keysersoze
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 17:24:25 GMT 1, And with the Greg Gossell comment imo he's more of a cross between lichtenstein and a good Baldwin
I don't get Baldwin either at all - lol
And with the Greg Gossell comment imo he's more of a cross between lichtenstein and a good Baldwin I don't get Baldwin either at all - lol
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keysersoze
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by keysersoze on Apr 19, 2008 17:27:14 GMT 1, 1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them. 2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'. Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though.
1. Didn't want it to become a super-negative post that gets locked. Trying to encourage some discussion that's it. I'm fine with people telling me they agree completely or think I'm stupid. 2. I love this forum and think it's great for urban art. Think the fact that 'the other' forum is banished is ridiculous.
1. You like some artists and name them, you don't like others but won't name them. 2. You don't like this forum, spending time here, and think it is bad for 'urban art'. Tell me if I missed something important. Doubt it though. 1. Didn't want it to become a super-negative post that gets locked. Trying to encourage some discussion that's it. I'm fine with people telling me they agree completely or think I'm stupid. 2. I love this forum and think it's great for urban art. Think the fact that 'the other' forum is banished is ridiculous.
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funyoung
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by funyoung on Apr 19, 2008 17:28:53 GMT 1, I'm with you on the negativity front but ... we are able to say who we do and don't like when people give reasons. It is when we get down to 'because I say so' that things get dull.
I'm with you on the negativity front but ... we are able to say who we do and don't like when people give reasons. It is when we get down to 'because I say so' that things get dull.
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jamesreeve5
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 19, 2008 19:45:53 GMT 1, Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway
I've been waiting ages for someone to say that!
Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway I've been waiting ages for someone to say that!
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loupa
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by loupa on Apr 19, 2008 20:17:47 GMT 1, i think faile are good because,
They have a strong sense of iconinc imagery and cleverly created signature characters original techniques in screenprinting and painting to give the effect of lots of torn collage layers they use colour incrediblely well they create amazing compositions especially with their larger more layered effect pieces, they never seem to overkill they have done a lot of street work all over the world and its very recognisable and fun their work sells faster than hot cakes i don't think the tate would let them loose on their building if they were shit
i think faile are good because,
They have a strong sense of iconinc imagery and cleverly created signature characters original techniques in screenprinting and painting to give the effect of lots of torn collage layers they use colour incrediblely well they create amazing compositions especially with their larger more layered effect pieces, they never seem to overkill they have done a lot of street work all over the world and its very recognisable and fun their work sells faster than hot cakes i don't think the tate would let them loose on their building if they were shit
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Baxter Orr
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by Baxter Orr on Apr 19, 2008 20:20:32 GMT 1, "1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously!"
I understand your point but no one can come on to the scene and be as good as someone who has delevoped their skills and craft for 15-20 years, a lot of the main players in this "street art" movement are well into their thirties (I know right after I post this breaking news that Bansky is a 17 year old) but I think there are a lot of artists who will probably "get there" eventually but havent fully come into their own yet, you got to start somewhere...
"1. All lot of the artists promoted on this forum are absolute garbage. I'll refrain from naming names (so the thread doesn't get locked) but I really wonder why you morons actually buy some of this sh!t - seriously!"
I understand your point but no one can come on to the scene and be as good as someone who has delevoped their skills and craft for 15-20 years, a lot of the main players in this "street art" movement are well into their thirties (I know right after I post this breaking news that Bansky is a 17 year old) but I think there are a lot of artists who will probably "get there" eventually but havent fully come into their own yet, you got to start somewhere...
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loupa
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by loupa on Apr 19, 2008 20:26:31 GMT 1, well that is true to a degree but some people will always be shit and other bigger artists work hasn't necesaarily changed that much. take faile or banksy or blek or nick walker if you wish. their work hasn't miraculously transformed into something supreme, they got picked up because they had talent or were doing something unique. granted some people's work needs progression but there has to be something there to start with... quite often it takes one person of percieved taste to believe in their work and other follow.
well that is true to a degree but some people will always be shit and other bigger artists work hasn't necesaarily changed that much. take faile or banksy or blek or nick walker if you wish. their work hasn't miraculously transformed into something supreme, they got picked up because they had talent or were doing something unique. granted some people's work needs progression but there has to be something there to start with... quite often it takes one person of percieved taste to believe in their work and other follow.
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motor
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by motor on Apr 19, 2008 20:28:42 GMT 1, Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway I've been waiting ages for someone to say that!
It looks like you REALLY know what you're talking about - so it REALLY must be true Because making decollage from torn posters and creating torn effect from screen prints is totally the same...Plus from all I see Faile are doing ONLY torn images... Yeah right Next time do your homework and then criticize
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimmo_Rotella
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faile_%28artist_collective%29
Agree with nearly all you say. Don't know much about Greg Gossell but Faile are a bootleg Mimmo Rotella anyway I've been waiting ages for someone to say that! It looks like you REALLY know what you're talking about - so it REALLY must be true Because making decollage from torn posters and creating torn effect from screen prints is totally the same...Plus from all I see Faile are doing ONLY torn images... Yeah right Next time do your homework and then criticize en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimmo_Rotellaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faile_%28artist_collective%29
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loupa
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by loupa on Apr 19, 2008 20:38:29 GMT 1, blimey thats a lot of info on faile
blimey thats a lot of info on faile
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by slowmo on Apr 19, 2008 20:43:51 GMT 1, Not a lot to add. What I would say is well done silky for getting rid of the respect system. People are not afraid to speak their mind anymore. I'll always stand up for Baldwin, I believe he is a natural successor to a lot of the second half of the 20th century artists, but appreciate many dont like him.
Did you know that the impressionists were largely reviled in their time. They were seen as talentless, to the point where a maid won a Monet in a raffle, but opted for a cake instead. Its all subjective, and to be honest, slate whoever you like, but dont slate someone for liking them.
Not a lot to add. What I would say is well done silky for getting rid of the respect system. People are not afraid to speak their mind anymore. I'll always stand up for Baldwin, I believe he is a natural successor to a lot of the second half of the 20th century artists, but appreciate many dont like him.
Did you know that the impressionists were largely reviled in their time. They were seen as talentless, to the point where a maid won a Monet in a raffle, but opted for a cake instead. Its all subjective, and to be honest, slate whoever you like, but dont slate someone for liking them.
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jamesreeve5
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 19, 2008 20:44:12 GMT 1, I've been waiting ages for someone to say that! It looks like you REALLY know what you're talking about - so it REALLY must be true Because making decollage from torn posters and creating torn effect from screen prints is totally the same...Plus from all I see Faile are doing ONLY torn images... Yeah right Next time do your homework and then criticize en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimmo_Rotellaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faile_%28artist_collective%29
Yikes dude, looks like Buffin and I struck a nerve with you. I think Buffin was only saying that tongue-in-cheek, and I have always always thought that Failes artistic direction has had hints of what the Nouveau Réalisme movement was trying to achieve, so I thought it was funny that Buffin said it so overtly blunt. I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella.
So take a deep breath and step away from the Wiki.
I've been waiting ages for someone to say that! It looks like you REALLY know what you're talking about - so it REALLY must be true Because making decollage from torn posters and creating torn effect from screen prints is totally the same...Plus from all I see Faile are doing ONLY torn images... Yeah right Next time do your homework and then criticize en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimmo_Rotellaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faile_%28artist_collective%29Yikes dude, looks like Buffin and I struck a nerve with you. I think Buffin was only saying that tongue-in-cheek, and I have always always thought that Failes artistic direction has had hints of what the Nouveau Réalisme movement was trying to achieve, so I thought it was funny that Buffin said it so overtly blunt. I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella. So take a deep breath and step away from the Wiki.
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by buffin on Apr 19, 2008 21:10:11 GMT 1, Yikes dude, looks like Buffin and I struck a nerve with you. I think Buffin was only saying that tongue-in-cheek, and I have always always thought that Failes artistic direction has had hints of what the Nouveau Réalisme movement was trying to achieve, so I thought it was funny that Buffin said it so overtly blunt. I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella. So take a deep breath and step away from the Wiki.
Absolutely right James, hence the in my comment. Some people are very touchy aren't they! Hey Motor of course I can see the differance between a torn poster and a torn effect screenprint
Yikes dude, looks like Buffin and I struck a nerve with you. I think Buffin was only saying that tongue-in-cheek, and I have always always thought that Failes artistic direction has had hints of what the Nouveau Réalisme movement was trying to achieve, so I thought it was funny that Buffin said it so overtly blunt. I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella. So take a deep breath and step away from the Wiki. Absolutely right James, hence the in my comment. Some people are very touchy aren't they! Hey Motor of course I can see the differance between a torn poster and a torn effect screenprint
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jamesreeve5
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 19, 2008 21:54:24 GMT 1,
no worries mate. and for the record I like Faile's work...
no worries mate. and for the record I like Faile's work...
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lee3
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by lee3 on Apr 19, 2008 22:01:12 GMT 1, >>>I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella.<<<
Having found Faile long after i had been collecting de collages from Villegle and Hains, I will readily admit that I have never seen an artist (or collective) borrow more heavily from the nouveau réalisme movement and their affiches lacerees.
>>>I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella.<<<
Having found Faile long after i had been collecting de collages from Villegle and Hains, I will readily admit that I have never seen an artist (or collective) borrow more heavily from the nouveau réalisme movement and their affiches lacerees.
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jamesreeve5
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WHAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO POST, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 19, 2008 22:23:33 GMT 1, >>>I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella.<<< Having found Faile long after i had been collecting de collages from Villegle and Hains, I will readily admit that I have never seen an artist (or collective) borrow more heavily from the nouveau réalisme movement and their affiches lacerees.
I think that Nouveau Réalisme and Street/Urban/Graffiti (whatever we are calling it today) stem from very similar trains of thought. Maybe Street art will do to Nouveau Réalisme what Postmodernism did to Duchamp!
>>>I don't think anyone was (seriously) thinking that Faile is a direct rip off of Rotella.<<< Having found Faile long after i had been collecting de collages from Villegle and Hains, I will readily admit that I have never seen an artist (or collective) borrow more heavily from the nouveau réalisme movement and their affiches lacerees. I think that Nouveau Réalisme and Street/Urban/Graffiti (whatever we are calling it today) stem from very similar trains of thought. Maybe Street art will do to Nouveau Réalisme what Postmodernism did to Duchamp!
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