Definitely agree with you there sausageboonwee

There's still just under 7 days to go and it's already been bid up to £3100 (why do people do that?!)

Even without it's scarcity I still prefer it over the sepia version. It's a tidy ebay listing as well. Wouldn't be suprised if it hit four and a half

Whatever happens I'm sure it'll make the first one that came up a month ago for a buy it now of £2999 look like an absolute steal!!!

Its the famous ebay "I must be the high bidder at all times" syndrome.

All this time I thought the important part was to be the high bidder at the end...

Definately! i think its because the difference between supply and demand is gradually getting further and further apart! soon we will be saying 'remember when you could pick up a sepia for 2.5k' if only!!

Wise words - and as you wrote that the signed print climbs to £ 3,700 ! dear god.

problem was i am so annoyed that my POW basket crashed so many times with a signed Morons in it that i refuse to be held to ransom for such high money.

I really like Morons ( the print ! ) and think it's a good statement - let's face it people are now paying several months mortgage money for a print that was priced at £ 650 , or £ 500.

However as most were on EBAY.COM i was too fearful of customs charges so let them all go .

Now it seems that whatever small opportunity there was to get one for around £ 2,500 has gone .


Fingers crossed for the next one !

There appears to be one hanging around the £3k mark which finishes soon. In a few months that may seem quite 'reasonable'. It is in the UK as well.

Already bid up to 4GBP with almost a week to go

I think the moral of this story is ...don't buy the most expensive colourway unless you really like it. I have the black and white unsigned and like it much better than the brown version.


Not only hysteria but speculation too. I've noted one or two ebayers that have bought at least a dozen prints recently ...including several copies of the same print. Can't remember which ebayer it was now but I'm sure there are even more of these guys out there. But bubbles happen when speculators come in. Speculator's are by nature rising prices artifically as they are not truly part of the supply and demand circle and just prey upon peoples emotions.

And having to place a bid for 4k 7 days before auction ends!?!
That's what you do when you let your emotions make your decisions for you. People are getting out of hand.

And well ...I have to admit that it's become such a vicious circle that I almost bought myself a second unsigned morons (for trading purposes) back when I got mine in the low 400s and could have gotten another for slightly less, but I passed, trying to keep money free in case I might win a signed version for cheap still.

But at this point I'm completely done with the idea of spending that much money on a signed morons. There are other prints I'd much rather spend that much loot on ...if I even had that much loot. I'll wait for the next couple releases on POW and see what happens.

Personally I don't buy that. Even if it is a gallery it's still speculation. Buying 2-3 Morons (plus a dozen other printss in a 1 month period) off of ebay is definitely speculation no matter who you are in my book.


What!? As far as price, hype, and demad Mr B is already there and beyond! Hirst has made much fewer prints than Banksy yet his Valliums for example still sell for only £3-4000 on ebay now, and it took years for them to get bid up that high. While Morons is already beyond that immediately after its release. Sure Valium can sell for £10k at a gallery but...

compared to Banksy Hirst's prints look like nobody wants them. You can even get a signed spin etching or lithograph for £1-2k sometimes. The cheapest signed Banksy is about £4k

The big question to me is whether in 10 years time Mr B will still be all the rage or whether the art world will have moved on? (No offense to Mr B ) Or will his prints generate only moderate interest on ebay at that point? I mean I think Banksy has definitely made a permanent mark on the art world. But this kind of hype and absurd rise in price just isn't sustainable forever. People have a limited attention span.

Year ago? But only 6 months ago you could get Banksy prints at half price! And I think it's probably going to take several years to get "their Banksy out" of everyones system in my opinon.

But comparing Banksy and Hirst. Hirst is highly esteemed artist at this point, but he definitely doesn't have the hype like he used to. There isn't always really heavy bidding action on ebay for his prints now. And still a lot of people don't like the guy and a lot of people are already viewing the guy as old and stodgy. YBAs are starting to look rather quaint right now in my opinon. Although I still love them

Anyone know the name of the book talking about how the YBAs or mainly Hirst has transformed himself after the 90s? Had a lego diorama on the cover of Hirst and his shark? I wanted to read it but now I can't find it anymore?

I didn't like it at first, but hey I like the Skull actually.

And it looks like the high bidder withdrew their 4000 bid off of B&W Morons. It will probably get back up their again though...

Regarding Hirst prices on eBay, one of the main reasons for the lack of heavy bidding may be that even his prints are now out of eBay's league. In other words, it may be more to do with the fact that eBay is no longer Hirst's market, rather than an indication of a lack of his popularity. Just check out the frenzied bidding for Hirst pieces at the established auction houses and the prices he secures at galleries.

Few serious and sophisticated sellers would now consider selling a Hirst on eBay, just as few would do so with a Warhol. Potential buyers with enough cash or credit to purchase a Hirst will usually be aware of this. The number of high-profile fakes that have come on to the market (a couple of which even fooled Christies for a period of time) will make people even more wary of purchasing on eBay.

Although Banksy is not quite there yet, he hasn't got far to go.

Well yes and no. But even at auction a Valium print will only fetch £10k maybe? Possibly less. A lot of Banksy's are fetching more even though there are more Banksy prints out there. Because, (I think) Banksy has got all the hype right now. But I read last year that some one withdrew a spot painting from Sothebys because they weren't happy with what one sold for at auction just a couple weeks before theirs was to go up for sale. Previous one sold for low estimate or below. Kind of seemed like everyone was getting over the "spot" thing. At least for a little while. Seems like Hirst peaked at the Pharmacy sale. And their was that big deal last year or the year before when Hirst bought back a bunch of work from Saatchi. He was afraid Saatchi was going to sell off a bunch of his work, which they've done to previous artists and it totally hurt their prices/image. Either way I think that had an impact on Hirst too.

But I love both Hirst and Banksy, I'm just talking about market trends. It's not always up, that's for sure. But they're both on solid ground.
www.artnet.com/net/Services/MarketTrends.aspx

I bought a Hirst 'Opium' from Eyestorm in 2000 for £500. They were on their site for about 1-1.5 years. Makes me feel better when I think of the Soup Can I changed my mind on.

Yeah but I've seen an Opium sell for up to £4k one or two years ago. Now there's one on ebay at about £2k and will probably close under 3 I bet.

Warhols prints from 40years ago may sell for up to 120k but they never quadrupled or sextulped (or whatever it might be called) their value the second they were sold. It's taken 40 years for Warhols to command that much money, at this rate Banksy is only a couple years away.

I'm just saying the rate at which Banksy's prices has risen recently makes me worry and think it's unsustainable in the long term. Warhol's prices have gone steadily up. But no where hear as fast as this.