clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 17, 2008 17:43:02 GMT 1, Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull!
Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull!
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 17, 2008 17:57:00 GMT 1, Dont all reply at once!
Dont all reply at once!
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Opinions!, by thinkbank on Apr 17, 2008 18:04:30 GMT 1, you spelt indervidual incorrectly, its should be individual.
you spelt indervidual incorrectly, its should be individual.
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Opinions!, by funster on Apr 17, 2008 18:05:30 GMT 1,
I think the main people with an opinion on this subject might be in a queue somewhere
I think the main people with an opinion on this subject might be in a queue somewhere
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 17, 2008 18:08:25 GMT 1, you spelt indervidual incorrectly, its should be individual.
Lol thanks for that!
you spelt indervidual incorrectly, its should be individual. Lol thanks for that!
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Opinions!, by sjh on Apr 17, 2008 19:43:10 GMT 1, I've just made my comment on the show on another thread but I'm happy to repeat it here. I don't think there is a single piece that is an original idea. I think it's compounded by flogging one of his ideas to death. Emperors new clothes!! (Flippers new clothes).
Rubbish.
I've just made my comment on the show on another thread but I'm happy to repeat it here. I don't think there is a single piece that is an original idea. I think it's compounded by flogging one of his ideas to death. Emperors new clothes!! (Flippers new clothes).
Rubbish.
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Opinions!, by nacional on Apr 17, 2008 20:30:10 GMT 1, Does art have to have "original ideas" to be "good"?
I think it is safe to say that there is no such thing as an original idea anymore. Show me one thing that is not influenced by, is a homage to or a pastiche of and I will metaphorically, and quite possibly literally, eat my hat.
Does art have to have "original ideas" to be "good"?
I think it is safe to say that there is no such thing as an original idea anymore. Show me one thing that is not influenced by, is a homage to or a pastiche of and I will metaphorically, and quite possibly literally, eat my hat.
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 17, 2008 20:31:57 GMT 1, Does art have to have "original ideas" to be "good"? I think it is safe to say that there is no such thing as an original idea anymore. Show me one thing that is not influenced by, is a homage to or a pastiche of and I will metaphorically, and quite possibly literally, eat my hat.
Banksy!
Does art have to have "original ideas" to be "good"? I think it is safe to say that there is no such thing as an original idea anymore. Show me one thing that is not influenced by, is a homage to or a pastiche of and I will metaphorically, and quite possibly literally, eat my hat. Banksy!
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Opinions!, by sjh on Apr 17, 2008 21:07:00 GMT 1, I think homage and influence is one thing, total rip off is another.
I think homage and influence is one thing, total rip off is another.
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Opinions!, by zclgt on Apr 17, 2008 23:31:59 GMT 1, I don't have a problem with the entire show following the same theme, the pieces were beautiful, especially the large canvases. On the whole though I agree with clipit. I guess the prices could have been even higher because the whole thing sold out in an hour but I felt it was overpriced. And it's true that it will be difficult for any street/stencil artist to escape the label of being an inferior banksy ripoff
I don't have a problem with the entire show following the same theme, the pieces were beautiful, especially the large canvases. On the whole though I agree with clipit. I guess the prices could have been even higher because the whole thing sold out in an hour but I felt it was overpriced. And it's true that it will be difficult for any street/stencil artist to escape the label of being an inferior banksy ripoff
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Opinions!, by Winter on Apr 17, 2008 23:37:35 GMT 1, Nice bloke apparently
Nice bloke apparently
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Opinions!, by lampsy on Apr 17, 2008 23:37:50 GMT 1, The next "Banksy" will indeed be a graff artist who doesn't use stencils i think
The next "Banksy" will indeed be a graff artist who doesn't use stencils i think
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nacional
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Opinions!, by nacional on Apr 17, 2008 23:43:44 GMT 1, Banksy-Soupcan-Warhol Banksy stating in an explicit homage that everything he thought of Blek had done before. Banksy- I Fought The Law- homage/reference/rip-off The Clash song, which itself was a cover version.
I could go on but I won't....
Not much originality, but at the same time, some of it, some of it, but by no means all of it (stand up Morons et al), very good art
Banksy-Soupcan-Warhol Banksy stating in an explicit homage that everything he thought of Blek had done before. Banksy- I Fought The Law- homage/reference/rip-off The Clash song, which itself was a cover version.
I could go on but I won't....
Not much originality, but at the same time, some of it, some of it, but by no means all of it (stand up Morons et al), very good art
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Opinions!, by skitch on Apr 17, 2008 23:47:38 GMT 1, couldn't agree more nick walker stuff used to be so easy to get, and he would personally deal with you. this hype is just getting silly hes done nothing new for the art scene really, its just everyone trying to make money same with miss bugs prints. sayin that his stuff is quite cool you do have to admit
couldn't agree more nick walker stuff used to be so easy to get, and he would personally deal with you. this hype is just getting silly hes done nothing new for the art scene really, its just everyone trying to make money same with miss bugs prints. sayin that his stuff is quite cool you do have to admit
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 0:24:30 GMT 1, I personally feel and to be honest ive only just started paying any attention to him due to this forum is L.E.T. I have alot of respect for what he's producing!
I personally feel and to be honest ive only just started paying any attention to him due to this forum is L.E.T. I have alot of respect for what he's producing!
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 0:31:03 GMT 1, I personally feel and to be honest ive only just started paying any attention to him due to this forum is L.E.T. I have alot of respect for what he's producing! why so much respect if i may ask.....?
I dont know really i just feel he is the only person other than Banksy that is coming anywhere near what i can relate to. Once again its just personal prefrence!
I personally feel and to be honest ive only just started paying any attention to him due to this forum is L.E.T. I have alot of respect for what he's producing! why so much respect if i may ask.....? I dont know really i just feel he is the only person other than Banksy that is coming anywhere near what i can relate to. Once again its just personal prefrence!
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Opinions!, by Coach on Apr 18, 2008 1:02:14 GMT 1, Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull!
The problem lies with the "looking for the next Banksy" attitude imo. If that is forgotten, we see the multitude of great artists producing work at the moment that we can all appreciate. I'm thinking along the lines of Herakut, Small, Surpine, Denning, spqr, (and now, for me, Grimshaw), to name but a few, and there are many more. If we are always looking for the next big thing, we stop looking at what is all around us. These are not artists that are clutching Banksy's coat tails imo. I must admit that the Walker phenonomen has past me by somewhat - I think he is a very good artist, but no better than some of the others I have mentioned imo. There is still plenty of affordable street/urban art available, which is of spectacular quality. My 2p worth. Peace and l c
Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull! The problem lies with the "looking for the next Banksy" attitude imo. If that is forgotten, we see the multitude of great artists producing work at the moment that we can all appreciate. I'm thinking along the lines of Herakut, Small, Surpine, Denning, spqr, (and now, for me, Grimshaw), to name but a few, and there are many more. If we are always looking for the next big thing, we stop looking at what is all around us. These are not artists that are clutching Banksy's coat tails imo. I must admit that the Walker phenonomen has past me by somewhat - I think he is a very good artist, but no better than some of the others I have mentioned imo. There is still plenty of affordable street/urban art available, which is of spectacular quality. My 2p worth. Peace and l c
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clipit101
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Opinions!, by clipit101 on Apr 18, 2008 1:10:23 GMT 1, Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull! The problem lies with the "looking for the next Banksy" attitude imo. If that is forgotten, we see the multitude of great artists producing work at the moment that we can all appreciate. I'm thinking along the lines of Herakut, Small, Surpine, Denning, spqr, (and now, for me, Grimshaw), to name but a few, and there are many more. If we are always looking for the next big thing, we stop looking at what is all around us. These are not artists that are clutching Banksy's coat tails imo. I must admit that the Walker phenonomen has past me by somewhat - I think he is a very good artist, but no better than some of the others I have mentioned imo. There is still plenty of affordable street/urban art available, which is of spectacular quality. My 2p worth. Peace and l c
I dont think its just the buyers though that are looking for the next big thing. But some of the artists are also looking to be that next big thing that im sure of. But on the other hand just like the list of artists you gave and many more. They are almost being seen as, oh thats nothing like Banksy i dont want it. Thats a bloody crying shame in my opinion and like you said people are missing the bigger picture!
Worrying these new Nick Walker prices people throwing away ridiculous amounts of money in the hope of finding the next Banksy! Because were not going to see another Banksy for a while. Banksy is Banksy because of his ideas and how he has changed the art scene so dramatically in my opinion. No offence to anyone but all similar artists at the moment are just hanging on his coat tails not that there art isnt good, dont get me wrong. I just feel that a few years ago we had almost come to a revolution with regard to art being easily available and easily affordable. Im starting to get the feeling that prices are getting higher and availability is just not there, soon it will once again only be royalty that can afford anything remotely unique, indervidual and beautifull! The problem lies with the "looking for the next Banksy" attitude imo. If that is forgotten, we see the multitude of great artists producing work at the moment that we can all appreciate. I'm thinking along the lines of Herakut, Small, Surpine, Denning, spqr, (and now, for me, Grimshaw), to name but a few, and there are many more. If we are always looking for the next big thing, we stop looking at what is all around us. These are not artists that are clutching Banksy's coat tails imo. I must admit that the Walker phenonomen has past me by somewhat - I think he is a very good artist, but no better than some of the others I have mentioned imo. There is still plenty of affordable street/urban art available, which is of spectacular quality. My 2p worth. Peace and l c I dont think its just the buyers though that are looking for the next big thing. But some of the artists are also looking to be that next big thing that im sure of. But on the other hand just like the list of artists you gave and many more. They are almost being seen as, oh thats nothing like Banksy i dont want it. Thats a bloody crying shame in my opinion and like you said people are missing the bigger picture!
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Opinions!, by Metard on Apr 18, 2008 1:26:27 GMT 1, I think the butterfly is cheesy. I found this on another board and seems about right. The Bon Jovi variant.
I think the butterfly is cheesy. I found this on another board and seems about right. The Bon Jovi variant.
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Opinions!, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 18, 2008 1:54:21 GMT 1, I have to agree with you clipit... Banksy will be seen as THE graff artist of the 00's... art history books have trouble remembering more than 3 or 4 names per movement and Nick Walker just isn't one of them I think. (my personal opinion would be: Banksy, Faile, Swoon, and Shepard Fairey, but that is completely subjective) (I would include Barry Mcgee in there, but he is definitely the SF mission school which is getting re-recognized thanks to this movement).
I have to agree with you clipit... Banksy will be seen as THE graff artist of the 00's... art history books have trouble remembering more than 3 or 4 names per movement and Nick Walker just isn't one of them I think. (my personal opinion would be: Banksy, Faile, Swoon, and Shepard Fairey, but that is completely subjective) (I would include Barry Mcgee in there, but he is definitely the SF mission school which is getting re-recognized thanks to this movement).
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Opinions!, by ctc2 on Apr 18, 2008 2:18:14 GMT 1, I have always liked Walker's work and in the back of my mind thought he would be the next big thing. That being said, I think the prices of all of this stuff will be the end of the movement. This genre of art rose from the street and became popular with the common class and the upper crust followed along and jumped on board. When the average fan is shut out, they will find something else to admire and so it goes.
I have always liked Walker's work and in the back of my mind thought he would be the next big thing. That being said, I think the prices of all of this stuff will be the end of the movement. This genre of art rose from the street and became popular with the common class and the upper crust followed along and jumped on board. When the average fan is shut out, they will find something else to admire and so it goes.
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