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romanywg
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Save Shorditch, by romanywg on Mar 12, 2008 9:17:01 GMT 1, That voice over drove me mad!
That voice over drove me mad!
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seidbereit
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Save Shorditch, by seidbereit on Mar 12, 2008 9:23:06 GMT 1, That voice over drove me mad!
Particularly when he was spelling out the website address...
That voice over drove me mad! Particularly when he was spelling out the website address...
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Save Shorditch, by scavos on Mar 12, 2008 9:42:28 GMT 1, Mmm, have to agree. Pretty sure it's Matt's voice. Maybe he should have sung it! Could have been worse though eh - could have been Ken Livingstone's voice, although I'd say that would be highly unlikely given the subject matter.
Mmm, have to agree. Pretty sure it's Matt's voice. Maybe he should have sung it! Could have been worse though eh - could have been Ken Livingstone's voice, although I'd say that would be highly unlikely given the subject matter.
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Save Shorditch, by noodles1 on Mar 12, 2008 10:02:53 GMT 1, Shoreditch has been fucked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students fucked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore!
Shoreditch has been fucked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students fucked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore!
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Save Shorditch, by victorwilliams on Mar 12, 2008 10:28:43 GMT 1, Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore!
mmmm how sweeping of you!
Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! mmmm how sweeping of you!
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Save Shorditch, by noodles1 on Mar 12, 2008 10:36:29 GMT 1, Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! mmmm how sweeping of you!
Meaning???
Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! mmmm how sweeping of you! Meaning???
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Save Shorditch, by carlito on Mar 12, 2008 10:38:51 GMT 1, Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! that's not happening in Shoreditch alone by any stretch of the imagination...and there's still a fair few 'normal' people left in the area...
Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! that's not happening in Shoreditch alone by any stretch of the imagination...and there's still a fair few 'normal' people left in the area...
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Save Shorditch, by noodles1 on Mar 12, 2008 10:42:42 GMT 1, Maybe I am jus generalising. Maybe Im jus bitter that I cant afford to live there anymore, But there is truth to wot I say!
Maybe I am jus generalising. Maybe Im jus bitter that I cant afford to live there anymore, But there is truth to wot I say!
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Save Shorditch, by Guest on Mar 12, 2008 10:46:52 GMT 1, Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore!
I dont see that happening myself. You only have to go to Brick Lane or Columbia Road to know this is not the case.
Shoreditch has been f**ked for years what with all the gentrification. City wankers and 'little rich wanna be' fashion students f**ked it up along time ago using their money thinking it will buy them 'Cool Status'. HOW VERY SAD! The people that made it wot is is cannot afford to live their anymore and with the residents that now darken its doors, Im glad i dont live there anymore! I dont see that happening myself. You only have to go to Brick Lane or Columbia Road to know this is not the case.
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Save Shorditch, by paulypaul on Mar 12, 2008 11:09:42 GMT 1,
I just came t0 post this (for all the southern tossers... ) and, unsurprisingly Scavos, we're on the same mailing list.... We're on the same mailing list
I just came t0 post this (for all the southern tossers... ) and, unsurprisingly Scavos, we're on the same mailing list.... We're on the same mailing list
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Save Shorditch, by They call me Stephen on Mar 12, 2008 11:34:23 GMT 1, noodles1 has a point. Shoreditch and hoxton haven't always been as desirable places to live as they are now.
The whole reason artists such as damien hirst and co used studios within the area was because of extremely low rents caused by a lack of demand for spaces within the area.
Over time and with an influx of art/fashion/music kids the area built up and became 'cool'. With prices the way they are currently around hoxton square/shoreditch no one except for highly paid young professionals can afford to live there. Loft appartments in New York are exactly the same...once owned by artists for being large and dirt cheap, then perceived as 'cool' with loft parties, now the properties of very rich new yorkers.
Young artists cannot afford to live in Shoreditch/Hoxton anymore. Didnt Tracey Emin recently buy a studio opposite spitalfields market for ยฃ4m purely because of what the space had meant to her, she felt that she paid well over the odds but the area had meant so much to her when she was starting out so didnt mind paying.
Artists/music/fashion kids are being driven out by landlords demanding higher rents only affordable to young professionals. Hoxton square is a joke these days, there's the odd good gig around there but its occupied by absolute wankers on any weekend. Anyone who's lived in the area will tell you this and will also tell you wheres good to go.
The area is still highly individual and exciting but 75% of its occupants unfortunately are not. Dont get me wrong, I love it around there but unfortunatelt times move on and the 'cool' areas change. Camden is a prime example.
Just my two cents anyway
noodles1 has a point. Shoreditch and hoxton haven't always been as desirable places to live as they are now.
The whole reason artists such as damien hirst and co used studios within the area was because of extremely low rents caused by a lack of demand for spaces within the area.
Over time and with an influx of art/fashion/music kids the area built up and became 'cool'. With prices the way they are currently around hoxton square/shoreditch no one except for highly paid young professionals can afford to live there. Loft appartments in New York are exactly the same...once owned by artists for being large and dirt cheap, then perceived as 'cool' with loft parties, now the properties of very rich new yorkers.
Young artists cannot afford to live in Shoreditch/Hoxton anymore. Didnt Tracey Emin recently buy a studio opposite spitalfields market for ยฃ4m purely because of what the space had meant to her, she felt that she paid well over the odds but the area had meant so much to her when she was starting out so didnt mind paying.
Artists/music/fashion kids are being driven out by landlords demanding higher rents only affordable to young professionals. Hoxton square is a joke these days, there's the odd good gig around there but its occupied by absolute wankers on any weekend. Anyone who's lived in the area will tell you this and will also tell you wheres good to go.
The area is still highly individual and exciting but 75% of its occupants unfortunately are not. Dont get me wrong, I love it around there but unfortunatelt times move on and the 'cool' areas change. Camden is a prime example.
Just my two cents anyway
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Save Shorditch, by Pure Evil on Mar 12, 2008 11:38:54 GMT 1, Shoreditch is always going to be in a state of flux... but remember before all of these halcyon days of Shoreditch it was a total shithole.. all of the furnituremaking industry in this area had finished and there were a lot of abandoned buldings and a lot of people don't know that it was a total no-go area for non whites.. the National Front w*nkers used to run 'tings in Hoxton....
If these buildings do go up that means a lot more vertical walls to paint on..
Shoreditch is always going to be in a state of flux... but remember before all of these halcyon days of Shoreditch it was a total shithole.. all of the furnituremaking industry in this area had finished and there were a lot of abandoned buldings and a lot of people don't know that it was a total no-go area for non whites.. the National Front w*nkers used to run 'tings in Hoxton....
If these buildings do go up that means a lot more vertical walls to paint on..
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Save Shorditch, by They call me Stephen on Mar 12, 2008 11:43:46 GMT 1, Nicely put pure evil.
Nicely put pure evil.
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Save Shorditch, by insite on Mar 12, 2008 11:46:19 GMT 1, If these buildings do go up that means a lot more vertical walls to paint on..
If these buildings do go up that means a lot more vertical walls to paint on..
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funyoung
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Save Shorditch, by funyoung on Mar 12, 2008 11:51:20 GMT 1, Artists/music/fashion kids are being driven out by landlords demanding higher rents only affordable to young professionals. Hoxton square is a joke these days, there's the odd good gig around there but its occupied by absolute wankers on any weekend. Anyone who's lived in the area will tell you this and will also tell you wheres good to go.
welcome to the 21st century.
land in london is reputed to be the most expensive in the world. as space runs out in the 'city' it is only natural that the borders expand to give more space. shoreditch has previously been cheap but has become more expensive and people like tracy emin and hurst and the art galleries are making things worse as they make money, bringing money into the area. but they weren't there forever were they? are they not seen as the route of all evil? when do you want to harp back to - about the time of the fire of london? times change and so does the city landscape.
these people feel sorry for themselves as they have to move when they could be thankful for the increase in revenue they get or the increased house prices when they sell. just playing devils advocate to an extent.
but saying " ... young professionals .... absolute wankers ..." i do take exception to as i am young (31) and a professional with many friends (same jobs etc) who have lived in shoreditch for a few years.
Artists/music/fashion kids are being driven out by landlords demanding higher rents only affordable to young professionals. Hoxton square is a joke these days, there's the odd good gig around there but its occupied by absolute wankers on any weekend. Anyone who's lived in the area will tell you this and will also tell you wheres good to go. welcome to the 21st century. land in london is reputed to be the most expensive in the world. as space runs out in the 'city' it is only natural that the borders expand to give more space. shoreditch has previously been cheap but has become more expensive and people like tracy emin and hurst and the art galleries are making things worse as they make money, bringing money into the area. but they weren't there forever were they? are they not seen as the route of all evil? when do you want to harp back to - about the time of the fire of london? times change and so does the city landscape. these people feel sorry for themselves as they have to move when they could be thankful for the increase in revenue they get or the increased house prices when they sell. just playing devils advocate to an extent. but saying " ... young professionals .... absolute wankers ..." i do take exception to as i am young (31) and a professional with many friends (same jobs etc) who have lived in shoreditch for a few years.
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killerkellah
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Save Shorditch, by killerkellah on Mar 12, 2008 11:55:25 GMT 1, Pure Evil is right, the area used to be a total s**t hole. The problem is the gentrification has driven out the people that made it an acceptable place to live in the first place.
The place is over run with posh and middle class kids pretending to be uber cool city dwellers, with their skinny jeans and stupid haircuts.
I used to work in Hoxton Sq about seven years ago and now the area just reminds me of Leicester Square for Peaches Geldof and Razorlight wannabees!
And outsiders who think its the cool place to hang out.
The amount of stag and hen do's you see around there now....theres even Shoreditch House and alot more banker spill over.
There are still interesting things happening around there but its all seems to be business minded now or bank rolled by daddio.
I suppose it inevitable with it having good city links and a 'scene' and this in turn has driven up costs.
We had to move from Hoxton Square because the rent was ridiculous...
Thats how I see it anyway.....I think alot of people who kick started the area have moved further into Hackney and places like Dalston.
Pure Evil is right, the area used to be a total s**t hole. The problem is the gentrification has driven out the people that made it an acceptable place to live in the first place.
The place is over run with posh and middle class kids pretending to be uber cool city dwellers, with their skinny jeans and stupid haircuts.
I used to work in Hoxton Sq about seven years ago and now the area just reminds me of Leicester Square for Peaches Geldof and Razorlight wannabees!
And outsiders who think its the cool place to hang out.
The amount of stag and hen do's you see around there now....theres even Shoreditch House and alot more banker spill over.
There are still interesting things happening around there but its all seems to be business minded now or bank rolled by daddio.
I suppose it inevitable with it having good city links and a 'scene' and this in turn has driven up costs.
We had to move from Hoxton Square because the rent was ridiculous...
Thats how I see it anyway.....I think alot of people who kick started the area have moved further into Hackney and places like Dalston.
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Save Shorditch, by They call me Stephen on Mar 12, 2008 12:01:50 GMT 1, im dont mean to harp back about the 'golden days' but any kind of save shoreditch campaign is sorely deluded, as you corrcetly put times and city landscapes change. 'the route of all evil' has unfortunately bitten the hand that fed it so to speak.
Also...when i say that hoxton square is full of wankers on any given weekend i do not mean young professionals nor people like yourself and your mates who live in the area but those who travel for ages to get there. Sweeping generalisation i know but come on, you have to agree with me.
im dont mean to harp back about the 'golden days' but any kind of save shoreditch campaign is sorely deluded, as you corrcetly put times and city landscapes change. 'the route of all evil' has unfortunately bitten the hand that fed it so to speak.
Also...when i say that hoxton square is full of wankers on any given weekend i do not mean young professionals nor people like yourself and your mates who live in the area but those who travel for ages to get there. Sweeping generalisation i know but come on, you have to agree with me.
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funyoung
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Save Shorditch, by funyoung on Mar 12, 2008 12:08:32 GMT 1, can someone get the 'rainbow sports bar' to get a new neon sign in the spirit of 'gentrification'?
can someone get the 'rainbow sports bar' to get a new neon sign in the spirit of 'gentrification'?
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killerkellah
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Save Shorditch, by killerkellah on Mar 12, 2008 12:09:15 GMT 1, I personally dont have a problem with people travelling there. Its a free city and everyone has a right to drink whever they like. If I had just moved to London Id be keen to see what all the fuss was about too.
I think Shoreditch is no longer cool and hasnt been for a long, long time. Its no different to Camden or Notting Hill now. It has a few cool pockets...the vibe isnt the same.
Once the posh kids move in...thats usually it.
Not harking back to a golden era. Not sure if there ever was one! It was just alot less commercial and independant business had a better chance of survival....
I personally dont have a problem with people travelling there. Its a free city and everyone has a right to drink whever they like. If I had just moved to London Id be keen to see what all the fuss was about too.
I think Shoreditch is no longer cool and hasnt been for a long, long time. Its no different to Camden or Notting Hill now. It has a few cool pockets...the vibe isnt the same.
Once the posh kids move in...thats usually it.
Not harking back to a golden era. Not sure if there ever was one! It was just alot less commercial and independant business had a better chance of survival....
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Save Shorditch, by They call me Stephen on Mar 12, 2008 12:11:52 GMT 1, can someone get the 'rainbow sports bar' to get a new neon sign in the spirit of 'gentrification'?
Some things are best left untouched. The Lainbow (as it seems to read) is a natural treasure ;D
can someone get the 'rainbow sports bar' to get a new neon sign in the spirit of 'gentrification'? Some things are best left untouched. The Lainbow (as it seems to read) is a natural treasure ;D
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killerkellah
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Save Shorditch, by killerkellah on Mar 12, 2008 12:12:44 GMT 1, Browns and the Lainbow, real survivors...
Browns and the Lainbow, real survivors...
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Save Shorditch, by danvnuk on Mar 12, 2008 12:27:07 GMT 1, Its happening all over London (In fact the whole country really), they're knocking down and building at an alarming rate (anyone seen Cheapside recently? the whole road from end to end is a Building site)
The Problem being - the new stuff that's replacing the old has no character, it creates a corporate wasteland of glass and office space, unfriendly sleek, with no individuality, and high rents - all the small independent shops can't afford it, and move on.....Starbucks, Pret, Boots etc etc move in.
The incredible thing is - loads of office space in London remains empty - but they're building more all the time.
Its happening all over London (In fact the whole country really), they're knocking down and building at an alarming rate (anyone seen Cheapside recently? the whole road from end to end is a Building site)
The Problem being - the new stuff that's replacing the old has no character, it creates a corporate wasteland of glass and office space, unfriendly sleek, with no individuality, and high rents - all the small independent shops can't afford it, and move on.....Starbucks, Pret, Boots etc etc move in.
The incredible thing is - loads of office space in London remains empty - but they're building more all the time.
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Save Shorditch, by killerkellah on Mar 12, 2008 12:39:03 GMT 1, Agree there mate. The change in Shoreditch has been gradual but it has been happening for a long time. I certainly dont believe they should be knocking it all down to make way for bland buildings that look like everywhere else.
That would be a real shame.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt the video suggest Ken Livingstone has given the green light for some of these changes?
Doesnt this contradict the meaning of local resident and Ken supporter Banksy's Tesco image?
Agree there mate. The change in Shoreditch has been gradual but it has been happening for a long time. I certainly dont believe they should be knocking it all down to make way for bland buildings that look like everywhere else.
That would be a real shame.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt the video suggest Ken Livingstone has given the green light for some of these changes?
Doesnt this contradict the meaning of local resident and Ken supporter Banksy's Tesco image?
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Save Shorditch, by Cocteau 101 on Mar 12, 2008 12:45:37 GMT 1, Its happening all over London (In fact the whole country really), they're knocking down and building at an alarming rate (anyone seen Cheapside recently? the whole road from end to end is a Building site) The Problem being - the new stuff that's replacing the old has no character, it creates a corporate wasteland of glass and office space, unfriendly sleek, with no individuality, and high rents - all the small independent shops can't afford it, and move on.....Starbucks, Pret, Boots etc etc move in. The incredible thing is - loads of office space in London remains empty - but they're building more all the time.
Urbane homogenous monotony - everywhere is beginning to look the same
Its happening all over London (In fact the whole country really), they're knocking down and building at an alarming rate (anyone seen Cheapside recently? the whole road from end to end is a Building site) The Problem being - the new stuff that's replacing the old has no character, it creates a corporate wasteland of glass and office space, unfriendly sleek, with no individuality, and high rents - all the small independent shops can't afford it, and move on.....Starbucks, Pret, Boots etc etc move in. The incredible thing is - loads of office space in London remains empty - but they're building more all the time. Urbane homogenous monotony - everywhere is beginning to look the same
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Save Shorditch, by carlito on Mar 12, 2008 13:46:24 GMT 1, Hoxton Sq is ace for eyeing up birds!
Hoxton Sq is ace for eyeing up birds!
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Save Shorditch, by thinkbank on Mar 12, 2008 14:10:14 GMT 1, and checking out c**t!
and checking out c**t!
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Save Shorditch, by Tyler Durden on Mar 12, 2008 14:12:34 GMT 1, I'm with you on that one Carlito.... I usually am with you when you're doing that too!
I'm all for London being more like Brighton, but in the 10 years I've been out and about in it it's already changed a load. If the grays redevelopment kicks off properly then the whole of East London will be opened up and changed, housing the overspill before it itself gets redeveloped into offices.
Unfortunately that's 'progress'.
By the way - great name, Killer Kellah!
I'm with you on that one Carlito.... I usually am with you when you're doing that too!
I'm all for London being more like Brighton, but in the 10 years I've been out and about in it it's already changed a load. If the grays redevelopment kicks off properly then the whole of East London will be opened up and changed, housing the overspill before it itself gets redeveloped into offices.
Unfortunately that's 'progress'.
By the way - great name, Killer Kellah!
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Save Shorditch, by turkey on Mar 12, 2008 16:00:52 GMT 1, Places evolve and local populations change, I remember Ladbroke Grove in the early 80's, plenty of no-go streets for the police that now have house that sell for a minimum of 3 mil, but I would say the area is better today that it was then. You can still find edgy pockets if thats your thing and its still bubbling with creativity. The problem I have with Shoreditch is the fact they are knocking down beautiful buildings that show the areas heritage, I worked down there for a few years and its a stunning in parts, you can almost hear the bustle of old London town!! -
Places evolve and local populations change, I remember Ladbroke Grove in the early 80's, plenty of no-go streets for the police that now have house that sell for a minimum of 3 mil, but I would say the area is better today that it was then. You can still find edgy pockets if thats your thing and its still bubbling with creativity. The problem I have with Shoreditch is the fact they are knocking down beautiful buildings that show the areas heritage, I worked down there for a few years and its a stunning in parts, you can almost hear the bustle of old London town!! -
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Save Shorditch, by onemandown72 on Mar 12, 2008 16:17:09 GMT 1, The beauty of a city like London is that it is constantly changing, for better or worse. Whilst Shoreditch has changed unrecognisably over the past few years, so have many other parts of London. Whereas Hoxton Sq had the bass & Treble Clef as the only club / bar in amongst derelict buildings in the early 1990's, look at it now. This results in the creativity being forced to find somewhere else more affordable re-studio/live space, and so sees a positive benefit to another part of the city. I get the feeling that exactly the same process goes on in New York. Whilst it can upset people that the area they've grown to find an affinity with has moved on it's always going to happen.
The beauty of a city like London is that it is constantly changing, for better or worse. Whilst Shoreditch has changed unrecognisably over the past few years, so have many other parts of London. Whereas Hoxton Sq had the bass & Treble Clef as the only club / bar in amongst derelict buildings in the early 1990's, look at it now. This results in the creativity being forced to find somewhere else more affordable re-studio/live space, and so sees a positive benefit to another part of the city. I get the feeling that exactly the same process goes on in New York. Whilst it can upset people that the area they've grown to find an affinity with has moved on it's always going to happen.
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