RBK
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by RBK on Nov 7, 2007 7:01:24 GMT 1, Type: One of the better threads to be started in a long time.
My random thoughts: - I agree everyone should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindeman. It is by no means a bible and you shouldn't take it as the gospel - but it offers a variety of points of view/historical reference and understanding of all the interworkings in the art market. This is a good 'starter' book and is a very enjoyable read.
- Many of you would be shocked at the level of collectors on these various art forums. I know multiple people who have collections worth hundreds of thousands of pounds. So those who think the suits/traders/monied collectors are a new phenomenon within the street art scene - they've been around for a while. They were just buying originals when the majority of the forums/internet were clamoring over screenprints and maybe just don't post pictures of their treasures out of security concerns or ruining their relationship with certain artists/galleries.
- You also may be shocked how easily it is to manipulate markets for goods in which there is strong demand and a finite number of units in the marketplace. I forget the name of the academic Economic study which studied this - but it is fascinating. This also lends credence to the we are 'pawns in a much bigger game' attitude. The percentage gain for flipping a print is peanuts to the astronomical gains for someone whose bought an original and sells it at auction 1-2 years later.
- Lastly, this explosion is very interesting because it involves artists not going the traditional route. Usually it was students who have their MFAs, growing slowly through galleries, with small-and-steady price increases, going to the right personal collections and curators, and maybe some exposure at auction. These street artists have no formal art-school training and have made a splash quick. Think we are just seeing a 'mutation' away from a very rigid norm that traditionally the art market adhered to. Also, the concept of time & history has greatly been sped up. A few years is nothing in terms of the art market. Lots of us (myself included) have a hard time not thinking in terms of 1-2 years.
Type: One of the better threads to be started in a long time.
My random thoughts: - I agree everyone should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindeman. It is by no means a bible and you shouldn't take it as the gospel - but it offers a variety of points of view/historical reference and understanding of all the interworkings in the art market. This is a good 'starter' book and is a very enjoyable read.
- Many of you would be shocked at the level of collectors on these various art forums. I know multiple people who have collections worth hundreds of thousands of pounds. So those who think the suits/traders/monied collectors are a new phenomenon within the street art scene - they've been around for a while. They were just buying originals when the majority of the forums/internet were clamoring over screenprints and maybe just don't post pictures of their treasures out of security concerns or ruining their relationship with certain artists/galleries.
- You also may be shocked how easily it is to manipulate markets for goods in which there is strong demand and a finite number of units in the marketplace. I forget the name of the academic Economic study which studied this - but it is fascinating. This also lends credence to the we are 'pawns in a much bigger game' attitude. The percentage gain for flipping a print is peanuts to the astronomical gains for someone whose bought an original and sells it at auction 1-2 years later.
- Lastly, this explosion is very interesting because it involves artists not going the traditional route. Usually it was students who have their MFAs, growing slowly through galleries, with small-and-steady price increases, going to the right personal collections and curators, and maybe some exposure at auction. These street artists have no formal art-school training and have made a splash quick. Think we are just seeing a 'mutation' away from a very rigid norm that traditionally the art market adhered to. Also, the concept of time & history has greatly been sped up. A few years is nothing in terms of the art market. Lots of us (myself included) have a hard time not thinking in terms of 1-2 years.
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holden
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by holden on Nov 7, 2007 7:14:03 GMT 1, I think its an interesting view point that they have about the future of this market and agree that some are well on their way to bigger things. Whether this means bigger things financially or historically I guess is the point of debate or that we'll see with time.
I agree with you Pez with your comparison of this scene to other collectors and whilst generally this holds true for most of the artists we are familiar with, a few will start to make the transition to a different tier. I am already seeing this in my short time watching. There is definitely IMO an evolution in the work of some of the players. Are these artists at the highest tier??? No clearly not. The new Neate of Mr Verbal is stunning and is certainly at a higher level of artistic merit (and with that, associated value). Is it sustainable? Yeah I think so looking at the fluidity of the scene, the age demographic on this forum that this art is appealing to and the range in work offered. From less than 50 quid to prints of thousands. This spread will continue as it has with recent sotheby's auctions. It may not be with the prints, which are likely to stay in the 'collectors' arena, but I see the originals continue to move out of reach
I think its an interesting view point that they have about the future of this market and agree that some are well on their way to bigger things. Whether this means bigger things financially or historically I guess is the point of debate or that we'll see with time.
I agree with you Pez with your comparison of this scene to other collectors and whilst generally this holds true for most of the artists we are familiar with, a few will start to make the transition to a different tier. I am already seeing this in my short time watching. There is definitely IMO an evolution in the work of some of the players. Are these artists at the highest tier??? No clearly not. The new Neate of Mr Verbal is stunning and is certainly at a higher level of artistic merit (and with that, associated value). Is it sustainable? Yeah I think so looking at the fluidity of the scene, the age demographic on this forum that this art is appealing to and the range in work offered. From less than 50 quid to prints of thousands. This spread will continue as it has with recent sotheby's auctions. It may not be with the prints, which are likely to stay in the 'collectors' arena, but I see the originals continue to move out of reach
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by paulypaul on Nov 7, 2007 8:54:08 GMT 1, I think its an interesting view point that they have about the future of this market and agree that some are well on their way to bigger things. Whether this means bigger things financially or historically I guess is the point of debate or that we'll see with time. I agree with you Pez with your comparison of this scene to other collectors and whilst generally this holds true for most of the artists we are familiar with, a few will start to make the transition to a different tier. I am already seeing this in my short time watching. There is definitely IMO an evolution in the work of some of the players. Are these artists at the highest tier??? No clearly not. The new Neate of Mr Verbal is stunning and is certainly at a higher level of artistic merit (and with that, associated value). Is it sustainable? Yeah I think so looking at the fluidity of the scene, the age demographic on this forum that this art is appealing to and the range in work offered. From less than 50 quid to prints of thousands. This spread will continue as it has with recent sotheby's auctions. It may not be with the prints, which are likely to stay in the 'collectors' arena, but I see the originals continue to move out of reach
I think that what might be missing is an examination of the new routes to market that are being exploited by this 'scene'. It is only in the last 5-6 years that ebay has established itself and pieces worth many thousands and tens of thousands are now coming this route rather than the traditional auction house route. Indeed, many of the regular auction houses are now using the wide ranging power of ebay to sell. Additionally, there are fewer gatekeepers. Every man and his dog can establish a gallery or artists website and, dependent on the quality of the work and the hype they can generate (not always in that order) can make a big impact in a short period of time.
It is inevitable that some of these artists will become more desirable and expensive. I think what will remain and which we have not had before is a large mid tier of niche, talented artists making a good living producing art that some of us enjoy.
It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?'
I think its an interesting view point that they have about the future of this market and agree that some are well on their way to bigger things. Whether this means bigger things financially or historically I guess is the point of debate or that we'll see with time. I agree with you Pez with your comparison of this scene to other collectors and whilst generally this holds true for most of the artists we are familiar with, a few will start to make the transition to a different tier. I am already seeing this in my short time watching. There is definitely IMO an evolution in the work of some of the players. Are these artists at the highest tier??? No clearly not. The new Neate of Mr Verbal is stunning and is certainly at a higher level of artistic merit (and with that, associated value). Is it sustainable? Yeah I think so looking at the fluidity of the scene, the age demographic on this forum that this art is appealing to and the range in work offered. From less than 50 quid to prints of thousands. This spread will continue as it has with recent sotheby's auctions. It may not be with the prints, which are likely to stay in the 'collectors' arena, but I see the originals continue to move out of reach I think that what might be missing is an examination of the new routes to market that are being exploited by this 'scene'. It is only in the last 5-6 years that ebay has established itself and pieces worth many thousands and tens of thousands are now coming this route rather than the traditional auction house route. Indeed, many of the regular auction houses are now using the wide ranging power of ebay to sell. Additionally, there are fewer gatekeepers. Every man and his dog can establish a gallery or artists website and, dependent on the quality of the work and the hype they can generate (not always in that order) can make a big impact in a short period of time. It is inevitable that some of these artists will become more desirable and expensive. I think what will remain and which we have not had before is a large mid tier of niche, talented artists making a good living producing art that some of us enjoy. It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?'
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guest2
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by guest2 on Nov 7, 2007 9:15:23 GMT 1, .........Every man and his dog can establish a gallery or artists website and, dependent on the quality of the work and the hype they can generate can make a big impact in a short period of time.
I have an online gallery but just wait till you see my dogs!!! It's amazing ;D
.........Every man and his dog can establish a gallery or artists website and, dependent on the quality of the work and the hype they can generate can make a big impact in a short period of time. I have an online gallery but just wait till you see my dogs!!! It's amazing ;D
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by numusic on Nov 7, 2007 9:17:00 GMT 1, First of all, I am genuinely shocked that people even bothered to read this. I was expecting you all to tell me shut up or something.
Shut up, you were talking to a salesman who's job is schmooze future customers, talk up his stock and business and to sell sell sell.
Go into any decent branded store today, collar a salesman...and you'll get exactly the same conversation.
First of all, I am genuinely shocked that people even bothered to read this. I was expecting you all to tell me shut up or something. Shut up, you were talking to a salesman who's job is schmooze future customers, talk up his stock and business and to sell sell sell. Go into any decent branded store today, collar a salesman...and you'll get exactly the same conversation.
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andrewd
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by andrewd on Nov 7, 2007 9:29:42 GMT 1, Type: One of the better threads to be started in a long time. My random thoughts: - I agree everyone should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindeman. It is by no means a bible and you shouldn't take it as the gospel - but it offers a variety of points of view/historical reference and understanding of all the interworkings in the art market. This is a good 'starter' book and is a very enjoyable read. - Many of you would be shocked at the level of collectors on these various art forums. I know multiple people who have collections worth hundreds of thousands of pounds. So those who think the suits/traders/monied collectors are a new phenomenon within the street art scene - they've been around for a while. They were just buying originals when the majority of the forums/internet were clamoring over screenprints and maybe just don't post pictures of their treasures out of security concerns or ruining their relationship with certain artists/galleries. - You also may be shocked how easily it is to manipulate markets for goods in which there is strong demand and a finite number of units in the marketplace. I forget the name of the academic Economic study which studied this - but it is fascinating. This also lends credence to the we are 'pawns in a much bigger game' attitude. The percentage gain for flipping a print is peanuts to the astronomical gains for someone whose bought an original and sells it at auction 1-2 years later. - Lastly, this explosion is very interesting because it involves artists not going the traditional route. Usually it was students who have their MFAs, growing slowly through galleries, with small-and-steady price increases, going to the right personal collections and curators, and maybe some exposure at auction. These street artists have no formal art-school training and have made a splash quick. Think we are just seeing a 'mutation' away from a very rigid norm that traditionally the art market adhered to. Also, the concept of time & history has greatly been sped up. A few years is nothing in terms of the art market. Lots of us (myself included) have a hard time not thinking in terms of 1-2 years.
I am also reading Adam Lindemans Collecting Contemporary. Absolutely essential reading for anyone who wants to collect art.
Type: One of the better threads to be started in a long time. My random thoughts: - I agree everyone should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindeman. It is by no means a bible and you shouldn't take it as the gospel - but it offers a variety of points of view/historical reference and understanding of all the interworkings in the art market. This is a good 'starter' book and is a very enjoyable read. - Many of you would be shocked at the level of collectors on these various art forums. I know multiple people who have collections worth hundreds of thousands of pounds. So those who think the suits/traders/monied collectors are a new phenomenon within the street art scene - they've been around for a while. They were just buying originals when the majority of the forums/internet were clamoring over screenprints and maybe just don't post pictures of their treasures out of security concerns or ruining their relationship with certain artists/galleries. - You also may be shocked how easily it is to manipulate markets for goods in which there is strong demand and a finite number of units in the marketplace. I forget the name of the academic Economic study which studied this - but it is fascinating. This also lends credence to the we are 'pawns in a much bigger game' attitude. The percentage gain for flipping a print is peanuts to the astronomical gains for someone whose bought an original and sells it at auction 1-2 years later. - Lastly, this explosion is very interesting because it involves artists not going the traditional route. Usually it was students who have their MFAs, growing slowly through galleries, with small-and-steady price increases, going to the right personal collections and curators, and maybe some exposure at auction. These street artists have no formal art-school training and have made a splash quick. Think we are just seeing a 'mutation' away from a very rigid norm that traditionally the art market adhered to. Also, the concept of time & history has greatly been sped up. A few years is nothing in terms of the art market. Lots of us (myself included) have a hard time not thinking in terms of 1-2 years. I am also reading Adam Lindemans Collecting Contemporary. Absolutely essential reading for anyone who wants to collect art.
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by carlito on Nov 7, 2007 11:16:29 GMT 1, I have to read a book to like something and buy it? And why should we give a flying f**k what Sotheby's think? So we have some serious big spending collectors here..and? Look around this forum 99% of us are buying prints with 50+ editions I just dont see this as relevant - appreciating street art doesn't need the approval of some jumped up toff in an auction house. Seems to me there are people now buying who really don't appreciate what this scene is about and are trying make it part of the contemporary art movement - well no thanks. This scene to my mind is purely about artists talking to their fans on the streets and straight to the public in releases that lots get hold of - it's about what WE think, and what they say, not about the elites sticking their nose up in their air and saying you can't come in (or for some of course u can, we like u now and get the joke...)...well guess what we don't need to.
I have to read a book to like something and buy it? And why should we give a flying f**k what Sotheby's think? So we have some serious big spending collectors here..and? Look around this forum 99% of us are buying prints with 50+ editions I just dont see this as relevant - appreciating street art doesn't need the approval of some jumped up toff in an auction house. Seems to me there are people now buying who really don't appreciate what this scene is about and are trying make it part of the contemporary art movement - well no thanks. This scene to my mind is purely about artists talking to their fans on the streets and straight to the public in releases that lots get hold of - it's about what WE think, and what they say, not about the elites sticking their nose up in their air and saying you can't come in (or for some of course u can, we like u now and get the joke...)...well guess what we don't need to.
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njr911
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by njr911 on Nov 7, 2007 11:23:32 GMT 1, I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?'
Man! I spent my childhood in the Dutchess. My mates Dad owned it and I saw all the greats there, from Nirvana (Kurt slept on my mates sofa!) to Oasis and everything inbetween. Even played there myself a few times
+1
I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?' Man! I spent my childhood in the Dutchess. My mates Dad owned it and I saw all the greats there, from Nirvana (Kurt slept on my mates sofa!) to Oasis and everything inbetween. Even played there myself a few times +1
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circlemaker
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by circlemaker on Nov 7, 2007 11:37:03 GMT 1, just to pitch in, might be worth remembering what happened when the art market lept on the train writers work in new york, the fascination was very short lived, and whilst other graffiti artists would marvel at an original work by 'crash' it appeals to very few now and there are very few writers whose work is very desired now, i can think of maybe 5 who still make art which sells. not to say that street art prints are not going to hold their value as of course banksy appeals to everyone, which is one reason why it is his prints which are worth so much, however i would question the other artists value other than their personal artistic value in the years to come. buy it if you like it, not to flip it - but you all know that.
just to pitch in, might be worth remembering what happened when the art market lept on the train writers work in new york, the fascination was very short lived, and whilst other graffiti artists would marvel at an original work by 'crash' it appeals to very few now and there are very few writers whose work is very desired now, i can think of maybe 5 who still make art which sells. not to say that street art prints are not going to hold their value as of course banksy appeals to everyone, which is one reason why it is his prints which are worth so much, however i would question the other artists value other than their personal artistic value in the years to come. buy it if you like it, not to flip it - but you all know that.
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dmandpenfold
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by dmandpenfold on Nov 7, 2007 11:46:03 GMT 1, Of course the art market aight gonna touch street art its full of flippers and scalpers and the oi poiloi ! They don't play on their terms and therefore don't get to play on their pitch !...... good ! Fuk 'um !
the wider art market's just the same, they might be dealing in bigger sums and fancy galleries, sipping martinis, but they still amount to Arthur Daley in a posh suit..trying to make a quick buck off the back of some other poor bugger..
Of course the art market aight gonna touch street art its full of flippers and scalpers and the oi poiloi ! They don't play on their terms and therefore don't get to play on their pitch !...... good ! Fuk 'um ! the wider art market's just the same, they might be dealing in bigger sums and fancy galleries, sipping martinis, but they still amount to Arthur Daley in a posh suit..trying to make a quick buck off the back of some other poor bugger..
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holden
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by holden on Nov 7, 2007 11:56:47 GMT 1, Yeah. I like the point of the large middle ground, that ebay has opened up. It means art in general is more accessable, plus they have what I like available in many different flavours. A good thing. I also agree carlito, you dont need a book to buy and own what you like and also its not to be hijacked by a bunch of people that supposedly/may know better, although it may be likely in some instances whether you want it or not. Fundamentally I like graffiti on the street. Its interesting the transition to paper. It means I can have it on my walls and own it. A spin off from this is the artists increasing fame, price hike and associated personnel. How then to keep it real for the man that likes the street art? Something I believe Banksy does the best
Yeah. I like the point of the large middle ground, that ebay has opened up. It means art in general is more accessable, plus they have what I like available in many different flavours. A good thing. I also agree carlito, you dont need a book to buy and own what you like and also its not to be hijacked by a bunch of people that supposedly/may know better, although it may be likely in some instances whether you want it or not. Fundamentally I like graffiti on the street. Its interesting the transition to paper. It means I can have it on my walls and own it. A spin off from this is the artists increasing fame, price hike and associated personnel. How then to keep it real for the man that likes the street art? Something I believe Banksy does the best
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circlemaker
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by circlemaker on Nov 7, 2007 13:03:39 GMT 1, but its also worth poitning out that banksy has stated he hates the art world and what its about - ok so dont make prints, just keep your art accessible to everyone who takes a walk out on the street or an edition of a work where it excludes the flippers on ebay. someone who made a million from the art world cannot straddle the two positions claiming they hate the art world and what its about yet sit back making a lot of money from it without getting a little criticism - i am digressing here a little though. basically my thoughts are street art works best on the street otherwise by definition its not street art its just art.
but its also worth poitning out that banksy has stated he hates the art world and what its about - ok so dont make prints, just keep your art accessible to everyone who takes a walk out on the street or an edition of a work where it excludes the flippers on ebay. someone who made a million from the art world cannot straddle the two positions claiming they hate the art world and what its about yet sit back making a lot of money from it without getting a little criticism - i am digressing here a little though. basically my thoughts are street art works best on the street otherwise by definition its not street art its just art.
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by paulypaul on Nov 7, 2007 16:01:19 GMT 1, but its also worth poitning out that banksy has stated he hates the art world and what its about - ok so dont make prints, just keep your art accessible to everyone who takes a walk out on the street or an edition of a work where it excludes the flippers on ebay. someone who made a million from the art world cannot straddle the two positions claiming they hate the art world and what its about yet sit back making a lot of money from it without getting a little criticism - i am digressing here a little though. basically my thoughts are street art works best on the street otherwise by definition its not street art its just art.
Not sure about that. I think you can hate the petro-chemical industry and still drive a car...Although, maybe not own ICI...Banksy ain't ICI yet - more a smal bio fuel distillery in the West Country...
but its also worth poitning out that banksy has stated he hates the art world and what its about - ok so dont make prints, just keep your art accessible to everyone who takes a walk out on the street or an edition of a work where it excludes the flippers on ebay. someone who made a million from the art world cannot straddle the two positions claiming they hate the art world and what its about yet sit back making a lot of money from it without getting a little criticism - i am digressing here a little though. basically my thoughts are street art works best on the street otherwise by definition its not street art its just art. Not sure about that. I think you can hate the petro-chemical industry and still drive a car...Although, maybe not own ICI...Banksy ain't ICI yet - more a smal bio fuel distillery in the West Country...
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circlemaker
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by circlemaker on Nov 7, 2007 17:25:23 GMT 1, i'll see if i can dig out the interview. it was several years ago, i think in a bristolian publication.
i'll see if i can dig out the interview. it was several years ago, i think in a bristolian publication.
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andrewd
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by andrewd on Nov 7, 2007 17:49:24 GMT 1, I have to read a book to like something and buy it? Carlittto, no one says you have to buy a book to know what you like but as someone who has been buying art all of my adult life and street art for the last 3-4 years I found this book really useful. Our scene is of course more comporable to the birth of the indie label/group scene and operates differently to the established majors ( even Laz who are now bigger want to and indeed do things differently ).
I have to read a book to like something and buy it? Carlittto, no one says you have to buy a book to know what you like but as someone who has been buying art all of my adult life and street art for the last 3-4 years I found this book really useful. Our scene is of course more comporable to the birth of the indie label/group scene and operates differently to the established majors ( even Laz who are now bigger want to and indeed do things differently ).
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Yessir
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by Yessir on Nov 7, 2007 18:14:49 GMT 1, I have to read a book to like something and buy it? And why should we give a flying f**k what Sotheby's think? So we have some serious big spending collectors here..and? Look around this forum 99% of us are buying prints with 50+ editions I just dont see this as relevant - appreciating street art doesn't need the approval of some jumped up toff in an auction house. Seems to me there are people now buying who really don't appreciate what this scene is about and are trying make it part of the contemporary art movement - well no thanks. This scene to my mind is purely about artists talking to their fans on the streets and straight to the public in releases that lots get hold of - it's about what WE think, and what they say, not about the elites sticking their nose up in their air and saying you can't come in (or for some of course u can, we like u now and get the joke...)...well guess what we don't need to.
Co-signed 100% Carlito.
This scene does not need to take off its proverbial "jeans and hoody" and replace it with a business suit, to fit into the contemporary art scene
I have to read a book to like something and buy it? And why should we give a flying f**k what Sotheby's think? So we have some serious big spending collectors here..and? Look around this forum 99% of us are buying prints with 50+ editions I just dont see this as relevant - appreciating street art doesn't need the approval of some jumped up toff in an auction house. Seems to me there are people now buying who really don't appreciate what this scene is about and are trying make it part of the contemporary art movement - well no thanks. This scene to my mind is purely about artists talking to their fans on the streets and straight to the public in releases that lots get hold of - it's about what WE think, and what they say, not about the elites sticking their nose up in their air and saying you can't come in (or for some of course u can, we like u now and get the joke...)...well guess what we don't need to. Co-signed 100% Carlito. This scene does not need to take off its proverbial "jeans and hoody" and replace it with a business suit, to fit into the contemporary art scene
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by ambrosiabaptism on Nov 7, 2007 22:16:49 GMT 1, Thing is - it is like comparing apples with oranges. The contemporary art scene is completely different to the street art scene. It has different collectors, different demographics and different interest groups. What sothebys may or may not think about this scene is pretty irrelevant. People will pay what they want to pay. You would be much better off comparing this scene to other collector type scenes - vinyl toys, beanie babies whatever. I think everyone knows that these prices are unsustainable. It's hardly big news that sothebys doesn't think much about the long term desirability of any artist apart from banksy. It's like asking an antiques expert what he thinks about 20th century design. That doesn't stop 20th century design being attractive to a new class of people buying it.
excellent point [insert thumbs up icon.... cough cough sliky ;D]
Thing is - it is like comparing apples with oranges. The contemporary art scene is completely different to the street art scene. It has different collectors, different demographics and different interest groups. What sothebys may or may not think about this scene is pretty irrelevant. People will pay what they want to pay. You would be much better off comparing this scene to other collector type scenes - vinyl toys, beanie babies whatever. I think everyone knows that these prices are unsustainable. It's hardly big news that sothebys doesn't think much about the long term desirability of any artist apart from banksy. It's like asking an antiques expert what he thinks about 20th century design. That doesn't stop 20th century design being attractive to a new class of people buying it. excellent point [insert thumbs up icon.... cough cough sliky ;D]
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by ambrosiabaptism on Nov 7, 2007 22:30:56 GMT 1, [ It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?'
OOOOOOOh the Fookin' Dutchess of York !! bring back the Dutchess thats where I had my schooling in life ;D
oh happy days ;D
sorry its off topic especially on such a quality thread but the Dutchess deserves credit! a rare +1 from me
[ It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?' OOOOOOOh the Fookin' Dutchess of York !! bring back the Dutchess thats where I had my schooling in life ;D oh happy days ;D sorry its off topic especially on such a quality thread but the Dutchess deserves credit! a rare +1 from me
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by numusic on Nov 7, 2007 22:51:35 GMT 1, [ It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?' OOOOOOOh the Fookin' Dutchess of York !! bring back the Dutchess thats where I had my schooling in life ;D oh happy days ;D sorry its off topic especially on such a quality thread but the Dutchess deserves credit! a rare +1 from me
And down to Scrumpies/ Adam & Eves afterwards A mate John Keenan used to run DOY.. saw radiohead there more than once.. rubbish ! The Bridewell Taxis rocked though, proper Leeds band !
[ It's kinda like 'oh, I liked them till the third album then everybody jumped the train and they sold out - I mean, I loved them at the Duchess in Leeds - what a night that was! But Wembley?' OOOOOOOh the Fookin' Dutchess of York !! bring back the Dutchess thats where I had my schooling in life ;D oh happy days ;D sorry its off topic especially on such a quality thread but the Dutchess deserves credit! a rare +1 from me And down to Scrumpies/ Adam & Eves afterwards A mate John Keenan used to run DOY.. saw radiohead there more than once.. rubbish ! The Bridewell Taxis rocked though, proper Leeds band !
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butterfly
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by butterfly on Nov 7, 2007 22:55:11 GMT 1, Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's. and we'd have to dress like James Bond. yeah, maybe keep out of that scene then.
I am so deeply disappointed...
Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's. and we'd have to dress like James Bond. yeah, maybe keep out of that scene then. I am so deeply disappointed...
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