Harveyn
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by Harveyn on Nov 6, 2007 21:22:00 GMT 1, Good post Type.
Its the old adage at our level only buy art you like otherwise you are likely to be disappointed.
Good post Type.
Its the old adage at our level only buy art you like otherwise you are likely to be disappointed.
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by arcam on Nov 6, 2007 21:25:09 GMT 1, Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game.
Great post btw. +1
Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game.
Great post btw. +1
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by a4mnt on Nov 6, 2007 21:28:07 GMT 1, ok, lets all agree that we can no longer afford any of our current crop of artwork and i'll see if i can get ยฃ1m for Nick Walker's 'Nikers'
;D
+1 type, by the way
ok, lets all agree that we can no longer afford any of our current crop of artwork and i'll see if i can get ยฃ1m for Nick Walker's 'Nikers'
;D
+1 type, by the way
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by melmoth on Nov 6, 2007 21:29:06 GMT 1, Yes, interesting piece. Questions though. Did the conversation touch on the changing nature of the buying and selling of art pieces? I would think that the rate at which it is bought and sold these days is much higher than previously. Would this contribute to a reduced time frame for artists to become established?
Further, could an artist's standing be increased or reduced based on the amount of activity early in their careers?
Yes, interesting piece. Questions though. Did the conversation touch on the changing nature of the buying and selling of art pieces? I would think that the rate at which it is bought and sold these days is much higher than previously. Would this contribute to a reduced time frame for artists to become established?
Further, could an artist's standing be increased or reduced based on the amount of activity early in their careers?
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by a4mnt on Nov 6, 2007 21:30:07 GMT 1, Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game. Great post btw. +1
its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely?
Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game. Great post btw. +1 its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely? |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by dave313perry on Nov 6, 2007 21:30:41 GMT 1, Much of this has dawned on me over the past 6 months or so...
This is exactly the reason why it bores the hell out of me when people over analyse print prices and trends to the point that they think its fact - where in reality the print prices are controlled by such a number of factors its impossible to put an accurate prediction on it taking all the different factors into account.
Well it seems that way anyway! people forget we are but the minnows of the art-world that occassionaly take a sneak preview into the Big guns world where a 10k print could get lost in a storage room somewhere, solely because of our interest in Banksy, and for some lucky few who own a rare Banksy.
IMO Banksy is only at the foothill of what he could become - the peak would see him up there with the greats, although many people seem to think he has peaked already???
Shame we dont all judge artists on here for their artistic merit IMHO - sometimes their likeability and customer service overtakes the quality of their work - and i feel we sometimes become a victim of gloryfied work.
Just my honest opinion and boils down to that thing of buying what you like - not what other people tell you you should like!!!
interested to hear other peoples opinions!...
peace
Dave
Much of this has dawned on me over the past 6 months or so...
This is exactly the reason why it bores the hell out of me when people over analyse print prices and trends to the point that they think its fact - where in reality the print prices are controlled by such a number of factors its impossible to put an accurate prediction on it taking all the different factors into account.
Well it seems that way anyway! people forget we are but the minnows of the art-world that occassionaly take a sneak preview into the Big guns world where a 10k print could get lost in a storage room somewhere, solely because of our interest in Banksy, and for some lucky few who own a rare Banksy.
IMO Banksy is only at the foothill of what he could become - the peak would see him up there with the greats, although many people seem to think he has peaked already???
Shame we dont all judge artists on here for their artistic merit IMHO - sometimes their likeability and customer service overtakes the quality of their work - and i feel we sometimes become a victim of gloryfied work.
Just my honest opinion and boils down to that thing of buying what you like - not what other people tell you you should like!!!
interested to hear other peoples opinions!...
peace
Dave
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Rourke
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by Rourke on Nov 6, 2007 21:31:17 GMT 1, Top post - type
Top post - type
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by dave313perry on Nov 6, 2007 21:33:33 GMT 1, Top post by the way - if were talking about trends and such within the artworld this interests me much more than the usual rise and falls of specific prints!!!
+1
Top post by the way - if were talking about trends and such within the artworld this interests me much more than the usual rise and falls of specific prints!!!
+1
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scavos
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by scavos on Nov 6, 2007 21:34:41 GMT 1, Interesting post type. I guess there are those that consider art purely as an investment, others who consider art purely for the love of the image or artist and those who fall somewhere along the continuum in between.
This scene is a drop in the ocean in the world of the investors but a huge driving force from the street up for the those that love art for the sake of making wonderful images that move you.
[edit - chuffin' eck, you lot type quickly!! ;D]
Interesting post type. I guess there are those that consider art purely as an investment, others who consider art purely for the love of the image or artist and those who fall somewhere along the continuum in between.
This scene is a drop in the ocean in the world of the investors but a huge driving force from the street up for the those that love art for the sake of making wonderful images that move you.
[edit - chuffin' eck, you lot type quickly!! ;D]
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by carlito on Nov 6, 2007 21:43:35 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much
the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by arcam on Nov 6, 2007 21:48:24 GMT 1, its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely?
If you've the cash pay it off out right. Credit cards are evil things.
its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely? If you've the cash pay it off out right. Credit cards are evil things. |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by dave313perry on Nov 6, 2007 21:48:30 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much
Indeed - the moment we become - the moment we are no longer, if you get what i mean! 
the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much Indeed - the moment we become - the moment we are no longer, if you get what i mean! |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by a4mnt on Nov 6, 2007 21:52:22 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much
better beer at openings.
the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much better beer at openings. |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by carlito on Nov 6, 2007 21:54:34 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much better beer at openings.
nahh probably white wine or some such namby pamby liquid 
the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much better beer at openings. nahh probably white wine or some such namby pamby liquid |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by arcam on Nov 6, 2007 21:55:16 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much better beer at openings.
Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's.
the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much better beer at openings. Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's. |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by a4mnt on Nov 6, 2007 21:56:35 GMT 1, Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's.
and we'd have to dress like James Bond.
yeah, maybe keep out of that scene then.
Beer? They'd probably be serving Martini's. and we'd have to dress like James Bond. yeah, maybe keep out of that scene then. |
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danvnuk
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by danvnuk on Nov 6, 2007 22:05:56 GMT 1, you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already?
I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D
you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already?
I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D
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aj
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by aj on Nov 6, 2007 22:14:29 GMT 1, seems a bit of a contradiction! seeing as it's graffiti and pasted all over london for anyone to enjoy!!!!!
seems a bit of a contradiction! seeing as it's graffiti and pasted all over london for anyone to enjoy!!!!!
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by ricosg11 on Nov 6, 2007 22:26:57 GMT 1, All anyone needs to do is read collecting contemporary by adam lindemann.
All anyone needs to do is read collecting contemporary by adam lindemann.
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by ambrosiabaptism on Nov 6, 2007 22:27:47 GMT 1, Of course the art market aight gonna touch street art its full of flippers and scalpers and the oi poiloi !
They don't play on their terms and therefore don't get to play on their pitch !...... good ! Fuk 'um !
Of course the art market aight gonna touch street art its full of flippers and scalpers and the oi poiloi !
They don't play on their terms and therefore don't get to play on their pitch !...... good ! Fuk 'um !
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dotdot
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by dotdot on Nov 6, 2007 22:38:50 GMT 1, the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much Indeed - the moment we become - the moment we are no longer, if you get what i mean!
spot on - move into the mainstream - time to exit.
Some outsiders (perceived attribute) strive for recogintion.
Some don't - whether they be Banksy, Micallef or Neate
- they all have backing, talent, marketing and ... support from the fans
once the big guns appear we be gone.
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the question i ask is why do we want to part of the bigger picture? our little scene is fine thankyou very much Indeed - the moment we become - the moment we are no longer, if you get what i mean! spot on - move into the mainstream - time to exit. Some outsiders (perceived attribute) strive for recogintion. Some don't - whether they be Banksy, Micallef or Neate - they all have backing, talent, marketing and ... support from the fans once the big guns appear we be gone. .. |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by a4mnt on Nov 6, 2007 22:49:53 GMT 1, you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already? I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D
so you are
you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already? I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D so you are |
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danvnuk
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by danvnuk on Nov 6, 2007 23:05:59 GMT 1, you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already? I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D so you are
I'm so glad I voted for Patti now.....
you mean you guys don't dress like James Bond and drink Martinis already? I'm sooooo ahead of the game here. ;D so you are I'm so glad I voted for Patti now..... |
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streetgirl
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by streetgirl on Nov 6, 2007 23:27:10 GMT 1, Interesting thread ;D
And some good points made by all...
I like this little world of buying prints I like and making friends and sharing thoughts and opinions with like minded people. I can't help think though, that as much as we want to avoid the martini scene, it might be that that scene starts to merge into these smaller low key affairs we all love and enjoy.
I say this only because I've noticed more & more suits at exhibitions/previews. I don't think all of them, trying not to judge by covers and all that, are there for the for the artist/community so much as the bundle of originals & prints available.
Interesting thread ;D
And some good points made by all...
I like this little world of buying prints I like and making friends and sharing thoughts and opinions with like minded people. I can't help think though, that as much as we want to avoid the martini scene, it might be that that scene starts to merge into these smaller low key affairs we all love and enjoy.
I say this only because I've noticed more & more suits at exhibitions/previews. I don't think all of them, trying not to judge by covers and all that, are there for the for the artist/community so much as the bundle of originals & prints available.
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qwertystar
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by qwertystar on Nov 6, 2007 23:41:45 GMT 1, Good post Type. +1 
Good post Type. +1 |
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by Filipino Box Spring Hog on Nov 6, 2007 23:42:57 GMT 1, Good post for sure. Thank you Type. plus one!
Good post for sure. Thank you Type. plus one!
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reados
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by reados on Nov 6, 2007 23:55:19 GMT 1, Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game. Great post btw. +1 its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely?
mate if you put it on the credit card you have not got the money in the first place or you would possibly use a debit card, and what i have found is that i promise my self i Will pay it off but never do.
Also only buy what you can afford. Putting pieces on credit cards is playing a dangerous game. Great post btw. +1 its only dangerous if you can't afford pay the credit card off, surely? mate if you put it on the credit card you have not got the money in the first place or you would possibly use a debit card, and what i have found is that i promise my self i Will pay it off but never do. |
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holden
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by holden on Nov 7, 2007 2:21:48 GMT 1, Nice post.
As things evolve there is often extinction.
Survival of the richest!
Nice post.
As things evolve there is often extinction.
Survival of the richest!
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pezlow
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by pezlow on Nov 7, 2007 3:16:02 GMT 1, Thing is - it is like comparing apples with oranges. The contemporary art scene is completely different to the street art scene. It has different collectors, different demographics and different interest groups. What sothebys may or may not think about this scene is pretty irrelevant. People will pay what they want to pay. You would be much better off comparing this scene to other collector type scenes - vinyl toys, beanie babies whatever. I think everyone knows that these prices are unsustainable.
It's hardly big news that sothebys doesn't think much about the long term desirability of any artist apart from banksy. It's like asking an antiques expert what he thinks about 20th century design. That doesn't stop 20th century design being attractive to a new class of people buying it.
Thing is - it is like comparing apples with oranges. The contemporary art scene is completely different to the street art scene. It has different collectors, different demographics and different interest groups. What sothebys may or may not think about this scene is pretty irrelevant. People will pay what they want to pay. You would be much better off comparing this scene to other collector type scenes - vinyl toys, beanie babies whatever. I think everyone knows that these prices are unsustainable.
It's hardly big news that sothebys doesn't think much about the long term desirability of any artist apart from banksy. It's like asking an antiques expert what he thinks about 20th century design. That doesn't stop 20th century design being attractive to a new class of people buying it.
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An interesting conversation I had recently, by runningdog on Nov 7, 2007 3:36:18 GMT 1, I predict 2 types of internal reaction to the initial post.
1). People who love street art: We buy the art because it's reasonably priced (a grand or two for an awesome original by an artist with 10 or 15 years' work behind him is a good deal), and because we like it. A lot.
Whether Mr. and Mrs. Moneybags of Mayfair would buy it at auction or not, does not bother us one iota. We are well aware we don't share their taste, and we don't care.
2) "Tulip bulb" buyers - entirely speculative amateur investors with 0% credit card deals.
These people will be disappointed that their "investments" are unlikely to go stratospheric, as they were relying on this happening to pay for their 42" plasma.
I predict 2 types of internal reaction to the initial post.
1). People who love street art: We buy the art because it's reasonably priced (a grand or two for an awesome original by an artist with 10 or 15 years' work behind him is a good deal), and because we like it. A lot.
Whether Mr. and Mrs. Moneybags of Mayfair would buy it at auction or not, does not bother us one iota. We are well aware we don't share their taste, and we don't care.
2) "Tulip bulb" buyers - entirely speculative amateur investors with 0% credit card deals.
These people will be disappointed that their "investments" are unlikely to go stratospheric, as they were relying on this happening to pay for their 42" plasma.
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