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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by mcnuts on Oct 15, 2007 19:28:33 GMT 1, D*Face dropped his toys out of the pram....
Take note: Artist claims that Chapmans 'stole' graffiti idea news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article3061128.ece
Take note: Artist claims that Chapmans 'stole' graffiti idea By Arifa Akbar, Arts Reporter Published: 15 October 2007
When the art world heard that Jake and Dinos Chapman were defacing £10 and £20 notes as part of a maverick new project at the Frieze Art Fair, the spectacle fast became one of the highlights of the event, attracting queues of fans and yet more notoriety for the former doyens of the Young British Art movement.
One London artist and occasional collaborator with Banksy was, however, distinctly unimpressed. After launching a successful career through publicly defacing banknotes, D*Face, a star name at the fashionable Stolen Space gallery in Brick Lane, east London, was outraged to see the brothers adopting a similar device to much widespread acclaim. According to D*Face, who will not disclose his real identity, his own artistic reputation was made in super-imposing graffiti onto currency before placing the notes back into circulation.
"I did a project in 2003 where I got £20 notes and defaced them before putting them back in the system. There were 20 variations of hand drawings and printing techniques in which the monarchy is satirised, with images of the Queen being hung, having her head chopped off. Last April, I marked her 80th birthday by showing her dead, with a skull and crossbones," he said.
D*Face added he had also pasted 5ft posters of the Queen's defaced image on a £20 around Whitechapel, including Fournier Street, where the Chapman Brothers have a studio space. He also left flyers of the same image in nearby shops and at the Truman Brewery, where he rents a studio.
After witnessing the Chapmans in action at the Frieze, he is now considering taking legal action. "I'm annoyed. It is a blatant rip-off," D*Face said yesterday.
"It seems that inspiration for the Chapman Brothers' latest work pays more than a striking resemblance to mine. But it's just not as good and two years later. These are mainstream artists stealing from sub-cultural artists.
"I wouldn't have minded if they had contacted me, like Banksy did in 2005 when we collaborated to create an image of Lady Diana instead of the Queen on a £10 note," he added.
"Obviously artists are influenced by each other but there has to be a line drawn between influencing and stealing." Jake Chapman, however, yesterday put up a robust defence of the Frieze project, saying that he and his brother had been "defacing" work since 1991.
"Drawing on money is as original as graffiti and that is as old as the Caves of Lascaux. It's not a great revelation to draw on money. It's not original. What's interesting is that because it's unoriginal, it's authorless.
"No one can claim ownership of it. It's strange for someone to claim authorship of graffiti which is by its very nature an avoidance of the notion of authorship," he said.
He added the Frieze work could not have been inspired by D*Face's work, because neither had ever seen any of it.
"His [D*Face's] argument is rendered even more absurd by bringing local geography into it," he said. The row is an echo of the recent furore concerning Damien Hirst's £50m diamond-encrusted skull, which drew comparisons with a similar earlier design from the jewellers, Butler and Wilson. However, no allegation of plagiarism was made.
But yesterday at the Frieze, it was business as usual. Visitors queued patiently to have their notes "worked upon" by the brothers. Moustaches, beards and glasses were super-imposed onto the image of the Queen along with ever-popular skull and crossbones.
The Chapmans' White Cube gallery stand was as popular as ever on the last day of the fair. But the legal battle between the brothers and the urban artist who has accused them of plagiarism may be only just about to begin.
D*Face dropped his toys out of the pram.... Take note: Artist claims that Chapmans 'stole' graffiti idea news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article3061128.eceTake note: Artist claims that Chapmans 'stole' graffiti idea By Arifa Akbar, Arts Reporter Published: 15 October 2007 When the art world heard that Jake and Dinos Chapman were defacing £10 and £20 notes as part of a maverick new project at the Frieze Art Fair, the spectacle fast became one of the highlights of the event, attracting queues of fans and yet more notoriety for the former doyens of the Young British Art movement. One London artist and occasional collaborator with Banksy was, however, distinctly unimpressed. After launching a successful career through publicly defacing banknotes, D*Face, a star name at the fashionable Stolen Space gallery in Brick Lane, east London, was outraged to see the brothers adopting a similar device to much widespread acclaim. According to D*Face, who will not disclose his real identity, his own artistic reputation was made in super-imposing graffiti onto currency before placing the notes back into circulation. "I did a project in 2003 where I got £20 notes and defaced them before putting them back in the system. There were 20 variations of hand drawings and printing techniques in which the monarchy is satirised, with images of the Queen being hung, having her head chopped off. Last April, I marked her 80th birthday by showing her dead, with a skull and crossbones," he said. D*Face added he had also pasted 5ft posters of the Queen's defaced image on a £20 around Whitechapel, including Fournier Street, where the Chapman Brothers have a studio space. He also left flyers of the same image in nearby shops and at the Truman Brewery, where he rents a studio. After witnessing the Chapmans in action at the Frieze, he is now considering taking legal action. "I'm annoyed. It is a blatant rip-off," D*Face said yesterday. "It seems that inspiration for the Chapman Brothers' latest work pays more than a striking resemblance to mine. But it's just not as good and two years later. These are mainstream artists stealing from sub-cultural artists. "I wouldn't have minded if they had contacted me, like Banksy did in 2005 when we collaborated to create an image of Lady Diana instead of the Queen on a £10 note," he added. "Obviously artists are influenced by each other but there has to be a line drawn between influencing and stealing." Jake Chapman, however, yesterday put up a robust defence of the Frieze project, saying that he and his brother had been "defacing" work since 1991. "Drawing on money is as original as graffiti and that is as old as the Caves of Lascaux. It's not a great revelation to draw on money. It's not original. What's interesting is that because it's unoriginal, it's authorless. "No one can claim ownership of it. It's strange for someone to claim authorship of graffiti which is by its very nature an avoidance of the notion of authorship," he said. He added the Frieze work could not have been inspired by D*Face's work, because neither had ever seen any of it. "His [D*Face's] argument is rendered even more absurd by bringing local geography into it," he said. The row is an echo of the recent furore concerning Damien Hirst's £50m diamond-encrusted skull, which drew comparisons with a similar earlier design from the jewellers, Butler and Wilson. However, no allegation of plagiarism was made. But yesterday at the Frieze, it was business as usual. Visitors queued patiently to have their notes "worked upon" by the brothers. Moustaches, beards and glasses were super-imposed onto the image of the Queen along with ever-popular skull and crossbones. The Chapmans' White Cube gallery stand was as popular as ever on the last day of the fair. But the legal battle between the brothers and the urban artist who has accused them of plagiarism may be only just about to begin.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by atkuefler on Oct 15, 2007 19:30:41 GMT 1, I just read this.... Come on D*Face this is kind of unreal I am sure you weren't the first to do it...
I just read this.... Come on D*Face this is kind of unreal I am sure you weren't the first to do it...
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by Montubu7 on Oct 15, 2007 19:33:35 GMT 1, .........
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by insite on Oct 15, 2007 19:38:50 GMT 1, Pot.................Kettle....................Black
BTW d'you get one mcnuts?
Pot.................Kettle....................Black
BTW d'you get one mcnuts?
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by corblimeylimey on Oct 15, 2007 19:54:32 GMT 1, I remember defacing money way back when I was a kid, surely nearly everyone has drawn glasses or a mustache on the queen at some point ;D
I remember defacing money way back when I was a kid, surely nearly everyone has drawn glasses or a mustache on the queen at some point ;D
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by pezlow on Oct 15, 2007 19:56:57 GMT 1, Pot.................Kettle....................Black
Couldn't agree more. For this artist of all the artists on the scene to criticise another of plagiarism is rank hypocrisy.
Pot.................Kettle....................Black Couldn't agree more. For this artist of all the artists on the scene to criticise another of plagiarism is rank hypocrisy.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by mcnuts on Oct 15, 2007 20:03:21 GMT 1, Pot.................Kettle....................Black BTW d'you get one mcnuts?
i wish. went saturday with a special canadian dollar bill but they didnt show. i swore i saw them walkin around but they didnt do a stall bummer
Pot.................Kettle....................Black BTW d'you get one mcnuts? i wish. went saturday with a special canadian dollar bill but they didnt show. i swore i saw them walkin around but they didnt do a stall bummer
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by katokato on Oct 15, 2007 20:06:41 GMT 1, pathetic, especially coming from someone who takes "inspiration" from so many other artists.
pathetic, especially coming from someone who takes "inspiration" from so many other artists.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by romanywg on Oct 15, 2007 20:16:24 GMT 1, Hope D*Face doesn't mind £10 notes being defaced.
Hope D*Face doesn't mind £10 notes being defaced.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by leumasdarnley on Oct 15, 2007 20:21:37 GMT 1, Its a medium not a design not sure how DFace can call claim to that. I'm sure Dface has his reason and love his stuff but not sure where this is going. Its almost to say that its not what you paint yet what u paint it on thats important now.... I finally get it
Its a medium not a design not sure how DFace can call claim to that. I'm sure Dface has his reason and love his stuff but not sure where this is going. Its almost to say that its not what you paint yet what u paint it on thats important now.... I finally get it
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by mcnuts on Oct 15, 2007 20:24:42 GMT 1,
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by Simococo on Oct 15, 2007 20:27:42 GMT 1, I expect he was being ironic
I expect he was being ironic
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by A.R.T. on Oct 15, 2007 20:42:43 GMT 1, Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff.....
Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff.....
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by insite on Oct 15, 2007 20:49:37 GMT 1, Pot.................Kettle....................Black BTW d'you get one mcnuts? i wish. went saturday with a special canadian dollar bill but they didnt show. i swore i saw them walkin around but they didnt do a stall bummer
Shame, good idea with the Canadian note though I forgot about the colonys
Pot.................Kettle....................Black BTW d'you get one mcnuts? i wish. went saturday with a special canadian dollar bill but they didnt show. i swore i saw them walkin around but they didnt do a stall bummer Shame, good idea with the Canadian note though I forgot about the colonys
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by ABC on Oct 15, 2007 20:52:27 GMT 1, Oh well life goes on, What about Di-face tenners then who are they ripping off?
Oh well life goes on, What about Di-face tenners then who are they ripping off?
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by leumasdarnley on Oct 15, 2007 21:17:32 GMT 1, Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff.....
I think Dface was more insulted that they called Chapman's stuff art....
Not real great vs DFace IMO
Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff..... I think Dface was more insulted that they called Chapman's stuff art.... Not real great vs DFace IMO
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by dmandpenfold on Oct 15, 2007 21:40:26 GMT 1, did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate??
did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate??
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by mcnuts on Oct 15, 2007 21:42:55 GMT 1, did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate??
the media always tell the truth....
thread parrot. i like the term.
did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate?? the media always tell the truth.... thread parrot. i like the term.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by insite on Oct 15, 2007 21:46:13 GMT 1, did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate??
In his words from his site, so in his words "I'll let you decide"
"Stolen*Face - Frieze who goes there. 15.10.2007
So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's) dead Queen that they were 'attempting' to draw at Frieze Art Fair, I thought WTF I recognise that idea... and from the stream of emails I had from people noticing the same 'similarity' it became apparent I wasn't alone in my thinking.
I never claimed ownership for drawing on bank notes, but drawng on bank notes and drawing the Queen dead is two seperate things. It doesn't help that 2 years ago I pasted a 5ft dead Queen poster on the end of Fournier Street, (where she still remains today) where I later found out they live, apparently though they never saw this, which only confirms my theory that they must be walking around with their eyes closed.
The Independent Newspaper cover the story today.
I'll let you decide.."
did Dface actually say this, is the article accurate?? In his words from his site, so in his words "I'll let you decide" "Stolen*Face - Frieze who goes there. 15.10.2007 So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's) dead Queen that they were 'attempting' to draw at Frieze Art Fair, I thought WTF I recognise that idea... and from the stream of emails I had from people noticing the same 'similarity' it became apparent I wasn't alone in my thinking. I never claimed ownership for drawing on bank notes, but drawng on bank notes and drawing the Queen dead is two seperate things. It doesn't help that 2 years ago I pasted a 5ft dead Queen poster on the end of Fournier Street, (where she still remains today) where I later found out they live, apparently though they never saw this, which only confirms my theory that they must be walking around with their eyes closed. The Independent Newspaper cover the story today. I'll let you decide.."
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by spirit on Oct 15, 2007 22:47:38 GMT 1, Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff.....
+1 for putting those together like that, very useful comparison thanks.
Surely D*Face was not the first person to deface money. But they style that these two were using was obviously a D*Face ripoff..... +1 for putting those together like that, very useful comparison thanks.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by pkt75 on Oct 15, 2007 22:51:24 GMT 1,
"Who the fuck is D*Face?"
Sorry 4 crap pics btw
"Who the fuck is D*Face?" Sorry 4 crap pics btw
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by spirit on Oct 15, 2007 22:52:52 GMT 1, I also agree that the DFace shits on the Chapman Brothers' version - tho' to be fair the CB's version is a quick sketch and the DFace doubtless had more time spent on it.
I also agree that the DFace shits on the Chapman Brothers' version - tho' to be fair the CB's version is a quick sketch and the DFace doubtless had more time spent on it.
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by jboy on Oct 15, 2007 23:47:51 GMT 1, Oh well life goes on, What about Di-face tenners then who are they ripping off?
Apparantly reading that independant article, banksy asked d*faces permission to use the idea...
Oh well life goes on, What about Di-face tenners then who are they ripping off? Apparantly reading that independant article, banksy asked d*faces permission to use the idea...
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by shogun on Oct 16, 2007 9:51:48 GMT 1, I think Jake and Dinos are shite... end of
I think Jake and Dinos are shite... end of
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by pezlow on Oct 16, 2007 10:07:34 GMT 1, So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's)
This is a joke right - sitting on their hands since the 90's??? If it is not a joke it shows a serious ignorance of the Chapman bros work......
So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's) This is a joke right - sitting on their hands since the 90's??? If it is not a joke it shows a serious ignorance of the Chapman bros work......
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by mcnuts on Oct 16, 2007 10:10:27 GMT 1, So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's) This is a joke right - sitting on their hands since the 90's??? If it is not a joke it shows a serious ignorance of the Chapman bros work......
ya... the more i think about it, i really hope D*Face was just taken the piss to get in the press
So when I saw the Chapman brothers (those Brit artists who have been sleeping on their hands since the 90's) This is a joke right - sitting on their hands since the 90's??? If it is not a joke it shows a serious ignorance of the Chapman bros work...... ya... the more i think about it, i really hope D*Face was just taken the piss to get in the press
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by insite on Oct 16, 2007 10:28:00 GMT 1, Yeah I hope it's all just a wind-up but it does come across like a knee-jerk reaction to me.
What I'd like to know though is how many notes the Chapmans did and how varied the art was. I mean I've only seen this one, maybe it's the only skull they did, there's only so many ways you can deface the queens head a skull's going to be inevitable isn't it ?
Yeah I hope it's all just a wind-up but it does come across like a knee-jerk reaction to me.
What I'd like to know though is how many notes the Chapmans did and how varied the art was. I mean I've only seen this one, maybe it's the only skull they did, there's only so many ways you can deface the queens head a skull's going to be inevitable isn't it ?
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Boooo-hoooo you stole my idea, by pezlow on Oct 16, 2007 10:35:38 GMT 1, I would like to have seen some too. Unfortunately when I was a frieze on Sunday the chapmans weren't doing them
I would like to have seen some too. Unfortunately when I was a frieze on Sunday the chapmans weren't doing them
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